Trump was right on hydroxychloroquine: UPDATE proposed resolution not accepted by AMA

UPDATE AND REALITY CHECK. IT WAS A PROPOSAL TO THE AMA AND IT DID NOT GET UP

From Jo Nova: The AMA considered it but apparently didn’t vote for it.

Shame. A scandal either way. Thanks for the tip.

There are several comments on this site explaining…

https://lenbilen.com/2020/12/14/american-medical-association-rescinds-previous-statement-against-prescription-of-hydroxychloroquine-to-covid-19-patients/

After more than 300,000 lives lost, the American Medical Association (AMA) rescinds hydroxychloroquine prevention order so that doctors can now prescribe Hydroxychloroquine tablets (HCQ) to cure and prevent the Covid-19, as documented in its November 2020 handbook resolution.

In the resolution, AMA:

  • Admit benefits of using HCQ for Covid-19 treatment outweigh its risk;

  • Rescind its statement calling for physicians to stop prescribing hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine until sufficient evidence becomes available to conclusively illustrate that the harm associated with use outweighs benefit early in the disease course;

  • Rescind its joint statement with the American Pharmacists Association and American Society of Health System Pharmacists, and update it with a joint statement notifying patients that further studies are ongoing to clarify any potential benefit of hydroxychloroquine and combination therapies for the treatment of Covid-19;

  • Reassure the patients whose physicians are prescribing hydroxychloroquine and combination therapies for their early-stage COVID-19 diagnosis by issuing an updated statement clarifying support for a physician’s ability to prescribe an FDA approved medication for off label use, if it is in her/his best clinical judgement, with specific reference to the use of hydroxychloroquine and combination therapies for early-stage treatment of Covid-19.

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66 Responses to Trump was right on hydroxychloroquine: UPDATE proposed resolution not accepted by AMA

  1. mh

    I expect the AMA is controlled by Big Pharma, who were willing to do anything to remove the People’s President after he forced them to lower drug prices.

  2. Penny

    Funny that now a vaccine is probably coming early next year, it’s decided that HCQ can be used. If the virus had been obliterated with the use of HCQ big pharma wouldn’t have made and been funded trillions

  3. Mark M

    Doctors lied, people died.

    I’ll be asking my doctor if he agrees with that.

  4. Fair Shake

    Hmmm much depth in that swamp there is.

  5. Mark M

    Masks have as much chance of stopping the whuflu as your underpants have of stopping a fart.

  6. Cassie of Sydney

    “After more than 300,000 lives lost, the American Medical Association (AMA) rescinds hydroxychloroquine prevention order so that doctors can now prescribe Hydroxychloroquine tablets (HCQ) to cure and prevent the Covid-19, as documented in its November 2020 handbook resolution.”

    It was only ever about Donald Trump.

  7. Mark M:

    Masks have as much chance of stopping the whuflu as your underpants have of stopping a fart.

    No, they only stop the solid/semisolid bits.
    Wait. Let me check…

  8. Cassie of Sydey:

    It was only ever about Donald Trump.

    Remarkable the amount of stuff that happened immediately after the votes were cast.

  9. Tel

    Hard to make money on generic drugs when India can produce unlimited quantities at unbeatable prices. The other drug Ivermectin is also way too cheap to ever be an effective treatment in Western hospitals.

  10. H B Bear

    They must have taken The Hypocritical Oath.

  11. Quibbler

    It is truly mind blowing how they have shafted Trump.

  12. Cassie of Sydney

    And here in Oz we’ve seen Craig Kelly extolling the virtues of Hydroxychloroquine and for that sin he has been ridiculed, vilified and smeared by the MSM, social media sewers and various leftist progressive scum. That shows progressivism in its true colours…..they don’t care if people die because for them it is only ever about the politics.

  13. Andysaurus

    Just in passing, that means Palmer was right too.

  14. nb

    On what basis the change?
    When was evidence available?
    What evidence?
    Why the change now?
    We are living in a world of make-believe. Doctors are only ever your associates in health care. Beware.

  15. Tom Atkinson

    That shows progressivism in its true colours…..they don’t care if people die because for them it is only ever about the politics.

    Hear, hear, Cassie.

  16. Terry

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3693771, posted on December 18, 2020 at 10:09 pm
    ‘It was only ever about Donald Trump.’

    They were more than happy to allow thousands of innocents to die, so that they could get at Trump.

    The guillotine is too good for these people.

  17. C.L.

    It was only ever about Donald Trump.

    Yep. Trump touted it so they had to ridicule it. If that meant tens of thousands died, so what?

    There is no era quite like the one we’re now living through. Exceedingly evil people are now officially ‘respectable’ and their appetite for malice is insatiable.

    I don’t believe they can be displaced now without conflict.

  18. nb

    Lockdown:
    ‘A friend in Georgia called the other day to let me know a junior high school student who attends the same school as her 13-year-old son tried to kill herself the other day. She was found hanging from a cord she’d wound over the shower head in her parent’s home. She was despondent over being denied her life – and so decided to take it.’
    In ‘A “Case” You Probably Didn’t Read About’ at https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2020/12/18/a-case-you-probably-didnt-read-about/

  19. maree

    C.L. x 1000, It was only ever about Trump, and that is why he skated through the virus on such long-known and uncostly medications, and 310k are dead in US.

  20. Chris M

    There is no era quite like the one we’re now living through.

    Yes CL, I believe we are privileged to live in the last days. Its 1990 years since the death and resurrection of Christ / close to 2000 years, plus 4000 years prior (aka six prophetic days) so time to wrap things up.

    Changes will happen at a very rapid pace from here, groundwork being set for the mark etc.

  21. egg_

    Admit benefits of using HCQ for Covid-19 treatment outweigh its risk

    The Grandad killing flu wasn’t worth lockdowns – post hoc, WHO.

    Who’d’ve thunk it?

  22. Captain Katzenjammer

    Liers are in charge.
    They run the news.
    They run the courts.
    They run the pharmacy.
    They run the government.

  23. Lazlo

    Correct CL. It will take unprecedented action from Trump.

  24. Michael

    Do you actually read the report issued by the AMA, or just sprout the words that someone has written?

    Nowhere does the AMA mention “cure” COVID-19.

    It does not “admit benefits of using HCQ for Covid-19 treatment outweigh its risk” It actually says “update it with a joint statement notifying patients that further studies are ongoing to clarify any potential benefit of hydroxychloroquine and combination therapies for the treatment of COVID-19”

    This is not all about Trump and the evil left

  25. Lazlo

    Michael. But puberty blockers administered to 13-year olds, without clinical trials and without informed consent, are OK? Whereas HCQ is banned for a toxic mess of political reasons. Please explain how you think this is OK.

  26. mh

    A Tennessee nurse passed out on camera ten minutes after taking the COVID-19 vaccine.

    Critical care nurse Tiffany Dover at CHI Memorial Hospital in Chattanooga was having a lucid discussion with WRCBtv following her vaccination, when she became visibly impaired – holding her hand to her head and swaying. She then apologized to the news crew, turned away from the camera, and fainted.

    “Ten minutes after the shot, Dover became light-headed and passed out while speaking with us,” the outlet reported.

    Watch:

  27. nb

    In the UK:
    ‘Why this campaign of terror? Never outside war time have populations been subjected to such outrageous assault and battery by government propaganda machines.’
    By Gillian Dymond at https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/13/why-this-campaign-of-terror/

  28. BrettW

    Michael,
    The report basically says the disadvantages don’t outweigh the advantages. Whereas Drs were previously not allowed to prescribe HCQ for Covid treatment now it is saying they can. Not only that but pharmacies should issue the drug if it is prescribed. This is whilst acknowledging CHQ was actually not created to counter Covid since it has been around for 60 years.

    The actual document was dated 30 OCT so it is surprising not been mentioned more widely. I guess the damage, to Trump, has already been done as the media and medical world hammered him over his endorsement of HCQ. Just like they did when he said would have vaccine by end of the year.

  29. JohnA

    Michael, you are protesting too much in trying to defend the indefensible.
    The minutes explain that the AMA is rescinding it’s earlier ban, which restores the previous position of HCQ as encouraged for Off-Label use at the discretion of the prescribing physician.

  30. Dave in Marybrook

    I had a white-out after a multi- including yellow fever- shot. I was standing at the reception, on the way out, after sitting out the fifteen m,inute wait for adverse reactions. Came to on the floor, with a splitting headache, from nearly splitting my head open, fell over limp.
    But that’s not the point.
    The point is, COVID 19 has been massively inflated. The death count from WZV is probably only 2-3% of that which has been touted to justify the flagellation of the western world.

  31. Old School Conservative

    The AMA says There are many studies that indicate that the use of Hydroxychloroquine,
    Azithromycin is effective
    .
    The AMA rescinds its statement calling for physicians to stop prescribing hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.
    The AMA repeats the fact that The Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine had to retract studies that attributed harm to the use of HCQ.
    The AMA is clarifying our support for a physician’s ability to prescribe an FDA-
    approved medication for off label use, if it is in her/his best clinical judgement, with specific
    reference to the use of hydroxychloroquine and combination therapies for the treatment of the
    earliest stage of COVID-19

    The AMA resolved to take the actions necessary to require local pharmacies to fill valid
    prescriptions that are issued by physicians

    But Michael fiddles around with the use of the “cure”.
    Alan Jones was right. Early intervention with HCQ and zinc saves lives.

  32. It was only ever about Donald Trump.

    Yep. Trump touted it so they had to ridicule it. If that meant tens of thousands died, so what?
    There is no era quite like the one we’re now living through. Exceedingly evil people are now officially ‘respectable’ and their appetite for malice is insatiable.

    Firing squads are the appropriate means of dealing with this degree of quackery.

  33. Old School Conservative

    I note the AMA buried the HCQ resolution deep in their “handbook addendum” – item 4 of 5.
    Murdering fascist bastards.

  34. BrettW

    Seems what we read was the proposal only. Politifact and ABC10 both have fact check stories on this, Below is from Politifact.

    Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh falsely claimed that the American Medical Association rescinded a previous statement and came out in support of hydroxychloroquine, the drug pushed by President Donald Trump for months as a potential treatment for COVID-19.

    “all of a sudden the AMA (said) — although very quietly — that hydroxychloroquine is okay,” Limbaugh said Dec. 15, telling his millions of listeners that the group’s past statements were meant to hurt Trump. “It’s perfectly fine. Go ahead and use it if you want. It can be helpful.”

    Limbaugh read from an article in the Published Reporter, a website based in South Florida. The website wrote that the AMA “rescinded” a statement related to hydroxychloroquine.

    Limbaugh accused the AMA of “knowingly lying about hydroxychloroquine.” But as the Poynter Institute reported, the AMA never retracted its statement on the drug. The Published Reporter and other websites that spread similar claims have walked back their reports, and the AMA addressed the matter on Twitter.

    “In March, AMA urged caution about prescribing hydroxychloroquine off-label to treat #COVID19,” the AMA wrote, with a link to Poynter’s Covering COVID-19 newsletter by Al Tompkins. “Our position remains unchanged. Evidence-based #science & practice must guide these determinations.”

    Several inaccurate social media posts from Limbaugh and others accounts were flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.) Some were shared by prominent figures, such as actress Kirstie Alley, who tweeted a since-corrected story calling the AMA “soulless hacks.”

    FEATURED FACT-CHECK

    Limbaugh did not respond to a request for comment.

    The AMA’s March 25 statement, issued jointly with pharmacists’ groups and updated in April, signaled opposition to doctors prescribing hydroxychloroquine as a coronavirus treatment or preventative measure, and to facilities ordering the drug in excessive amounts.

    The statement cautioned that “no medication has been FDA-approved for use in COVID-19 patients” and warned of supply-chain disruptions for patients who rely on hydroxychloroquine for other chronic conditions, such as rheumatoid arthritis and lupus.

    The statement also said “novel off-label use of FDA-approved medications is a matter for the physician’s or other prescriber’s professional judgment.” It encouraged “patient-centered care decisions” but said “evidence-based science and practice must guide these determinations.”

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration in June revoked its emergency use authorization for use of hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 therapy. The agency later cautioned against the drug’s use for the virus outside of the hospital setting after a review of safety issues. There is little sign that hydroxychloroquine is effective for coronavirus patients.

    A resolution submitted ahead of a November meeting of the AMA’s policymaking body proposed that the group retract the March statement. The resolution called for an updated statement “notifying patients that further studies are ongoing” and supporting physicians’ use of judgment to prescribe the drug off-label to patients with early COVID-19 symptoms.

    The resolution was not adopted, however. The vote against the measure followed “fierce opposition,” MedPage Today reported.

    The Published Reporter has amended the story Limbaugh cited with a correction in bolded font that said the resolution “was not accepted.” Lead Stories also debunked the false claims.

    We rate Limbaugh’s claim False.

  35. Charles Rasp

    MH
    Well, maybe the Biden (cough cough) “ warp speed” vaccine isn’t so great after all.
    Too bad Pfizer shot their bolt and cannot be trusted ever again.

  36. BrettW

    Looked further at a page called Medpage and found a summary of what occurred when the proposal was discussed. Too long to post here.
    Infectious Disease
    >
    COVID-19
    AMA Policy Throws Shade on Diehard HCQ Docs
    — Delegates urge AMA to rescind policy discouraging the drug for COVID-19 patients; both sides say it’s politics

    by Cheryl Clark, Contributing Writer, MedPage Today November 16, 2020

  37. Charles Rasp

    BrettW
    #3693869, posted on December 19, 2020 at 1:46 am

    Just like most of the MSM, “fact checks” cannot be trusted.
    Nevertheless this update ( that is what it is) suggests that the AMA in America, just like its equivalent in Australia, is infected with political malice. Frontline doctors’experience suggests hydroxychloroquine ++ is effective in early treatment for WUHAN Flu. The drug is effectively harmless, with known, treatable side effects like most drugs. Yet rearguard action within the leftist AMA kills off hydroxychloroquine again.
    These idiots have blood on their hands.

  38. BrettW

    Charles,
    Agree with you. My view is if it works for Dr’s why not let them use it. If it had any bad side effects it would not have been in use for 60 years.

  39. Andre S

    The left weaponised HCQ at the expense of people lives. It is disgusting the depths they plunged to discredit Trump. Any Pharmacist or GP with an ounce of experience who has prescribed or dispensed HCQ would have known the adverse effects of HCQ had been exaggerated, again prostituting the precautionary principle. Off label use would have been perfectly reasonable option for experienced physicians. The Guild, PSA, FRACGP, AMA, SHPA and any other organisations globally representing these professions ought to hold their heads in shame, servile to the state, capitulating to the anti-trump agenda…. or they are just total morons. We cannot rely on these professional bodies any more to protect the people, they have lost their sense of reality and ethical responsibility, any credibility and trust for the sake of a political hit job.

    Now -The COVID vaccination agenda has been driven by fear as well, as key figures in the media across the world have sold the vaccine as the way out of the dire COVID crisis. (it won’t be)Trump was forced into a corner, amongst other politicians in other countries, to accept the dire necessity of the vaccination. The media narrative war won by the left and driven by fear resulted in project warp speed (counter marketing)etc. Now we have several vaccines, still temporally challenged, meaning long term effects are still undetermined. And further, possibly will not be effective in the immunocompromised simply because their immune systems are so compromised, they cannot generate enough immunity from exposure to a vaccine. It is also likely the current vaccines trials only tested healthy individuals not immunocompromised ones . They should not hurry the vaccination programs; they should carefully step through the trial process and target specific populations. In the meantime, f**k the lockdowns off and do something sensible like opening up the markets, returning our freedoms and the original normal and implement sensible social distancing measures to protect those most vulnerable. To be clear, I am not anti-vaccine, but up until know there have been no vaccines that protect the elderly /immunocompromised other than the recombinant shingles vaccine. The COVID vaccines are not likely to help the elderly directly, of course vaccinating the whole world might indirectly protect the elderly – but at what potential cost. Our technocrats have lost their sense of proportion and reasonableness, except if you understand their twisted agenda, and they do have control of the levers of our society. And I mean guys like Morrison are not technocrats, just pawns on the authoritarian chess table.

    We need to re-organise, not through politics, but through the next generation of kids. Political action only slows the progress of the implementation of this global dystopian technocratic scheme. In the meantime, society as we know it is going to take a big hit – enlightenment values will be extinguished stealthily but progressively. Future generations will need to find a place in the world to live and propagate the ideas of the enlightenment whilst the left eats itself from the inside out and self-destructs, but not before destroying much of what keeps a society civilised and free.

  40. calli

    Exceedingly evil people are now officially ‘respectable’ and their appetite for malice is insatiable.

    This is now known by the shills and urgers as “polite society”, from which all Trump supporters and assorted right wing types are to be excluded.

    So refreshing to be a commenter on the (sometimes very) impolite Cat.

  41. Herodotus

    Now we have reports of some people reacting badly to the Wuflu shot. Is this news, or relevant?
    Every year when I get my flu shot the medical practise insist that I sit around for at least ten minutes to see if I react badly. Some people must have had a bad reaction to the common or garden flu shot.
    Exaggerating about this new vaccine is typical of media these days.

  42. win

    So much for the Hypocratic Oath. DO no harm.

  43. Shane

    ”Herodotus
    #3693910, posted on December 19, 2020 at 6:04 am

    Now we have reports of some people reacting badly to the Wuflu shot. Is this news, or relevant?
    Every year when I get my flu shot the medical practise insist that I sit around for at least ten minutes to see if I react badly. Some people must have had a bad reaction to the common or garden flu shot.
    Exaggerating about this new vaccine is typical of media these days.”

    Hmmm, you have chosen an unfortunate avatar, as you appear unaware of the concerns re one’s mRNA being hijacked plus the sudden visits to the ICUs by the super healthy volunteers trialing these new revolutionary vaccines which are totally different in their basis of action compared with yr common or garden variety flu shot.
    You seem unaware of the trials with the difference in outcomes of vaccinated test animals when exposed to this covid infection as opposed to unvaccinated test animals.
    I won’t spoil it for you by telling you what happened.
    As an aside have you ever wondered whether the reason that this wuhan flu never really took off in Africa was the universal availability of HCQ at the cost of pennies?

    ”Herodotus has been called both the Father of History and the Father of Lies. Although his Histories are our primary source for knowledge of the Persian invasions of Greece in 490 and 480 B.C., Herodotus’ account includes some elements which seem to us incredible, sometimes almost bordering on the realm of fantasy.”

  44. Cassie of Sydney

    “There is no era quite like the one we’re now living through. Exceedingly evil people are now officially ‘respectable’ and their appetite for malice is insatiable.

    I don’t believe they can be displaced now without conflict.”

    Agree C.L.

  45. Cassie of Sydney

    “This is now known by the shills and urgers as “polite society”, from which all Trump supporters and assorted right wing types are to be excluded.

    So refreshing to be a commenter on the (sometimes very) impolite Cat.”

    Well said Calli.

  46. Bruce

    So, HCQ is essentially synthetic Quinine.

    It has been used to “treat” Malaria for DECADES, without leaving a noticeable trail of corpses., unlike untreated Malaria in patients with marginal basic health. I am quite familiar with Malaria, as my father contracted it whilst serving in WW2 and it NEVER went away, despite the sundry efforts of the medical fraternity..

    The stats on “medical misadventure” here and in the US, etc, have been systematically bent out of shape. Some of the figures run to 15% of all deaths; not a realistic figure.

    HOWEVER deaths and injured from “oopsies” of a medical nature are VERY common globally.

    Part of it relates to the old joke about the deistic tendencies to be found in the medical professions. Then there is the effect of the terminal bureaucratization and politicization of the field and the baleful influence of “medical administrators”..

    According to the local Bureau of Statistics, it rates somewhere below the “Top Twenty”, as of 2015.

    HOWEVER, the figures used to be a bit more prominent and available. Hmmmm…

    HOWEVER, if you search for “Iatrogenic Deaths” you will find stuff like this:

    https://besthealth.com.au/drugs-and-medical-errors-killing-one-of-every-five-australians/#:~:text=References%3A%201.%20iatrogenic%20Injury%20in%20Australia%20%E2%80%93%20This,Australian%201994%20total%20deaths%20%281994%29%20%3D%20126%2C692%20DR.

    Or;

    https://opus.lib.uts.edu.au/bitstream/10453/124347/7/02whole.pdf

    Further research is required, especially by potential “patients”.

  47. PB

    My view is if it works for Dr’s why not let them use it.

    Thresholds for qualification in medial and Nursing fields have been steadily dropping over the last 10-20 years, coinciding with the demand for better outcomes for the vibrant diversities that have to be gifted through because representation. A consequence of this has been the shift to defensive algorithm-based models of care which eliminate as much as possible the uncertainty of judgement. The net effect is the stifling of ALL innovation and independent thinking, not just the scary kind, in the name of “safety” and (mostly) legal cover. If you can get your product, drug or device onto the compendium of “Best Practice” then you are set. HCQ was too cheap and non-profitable to be allowed to stand. Ivermectin similarly.

  48. Makka

    Footage of the nurse fainting;

    Dr. Simone Gold
    @drsimonegold
    Nurse faints immediately after taking experimental Covid-19 vaccine.

    Rushed experimental biological agents like this should not be mandated upon anyone. Meaning airlines, employers, schools, nor the government can ever tell anyone else they must take an experimental vaccine!

    https://twitter.com/drsimonegold/status/1339818851123400707

  49. mh

    Ian Miles Cheong
    @stillgray
    How about a bar code we can print onto our arms or the back of our necks?

    Andrew Yang🧢🇺🇸
    @AndrewYang
    Is there a way for someone to easily show that they have been vaccinated – like a bar code they can download to their phone? There ought to be.
    5:30 AM · Dec 19, 2020

  50. The AMA are without shame – it is outrageous.

    I have always believed that the reason that much of equatorial Africa & many countries in tropical zones failed to develop large scale CV-19 outbreaks is because they routinely take anti-malarial medication.

  51. The other drug Ivermectin is also way too cheap to ever be an effective treatment in Western hospitals.

    Never mind, Tel – I have plenty of supply of Ivermectin in my cattle drench supplies!!!

    In fact, after having my herd down with viral Bovine Ephemeral Fever early this year (& having to put one down) I have decided to drench them a couple of times with Ivermectin over the La Nina period in 2021 when the heavy rain brings in the viral laden mozzies.

  52. Roger W

    A tattooed number on the wrist is easily identified, as are markers on clothes – a yellow star, for example, is readily noted…

  53. WX

    The socio-cultural insurgency continues because the insurgents only attack when/where they have identified the risk of credible opposition is low. They are happy to prance around an octogon/ring where they are the only fighter present.

    It’s working for them, so they will continue.

  54. mh

    Coroner Brenda Bock of Grand County, Colorado has claimed of their five total deaths attributed to the coronavirus were really deaths as a result of gunshot wounds.

    A report from CBS in Denver revealed that authorities were counting any dead people who tested positive for coronavirus in the last 30 days as “deaths among cases” – even if they really died from shootings, with Coroner Brenda Brock telling local media “two of their five deaths related to COVID-19 were people who died of gunshot wounds.”

    “It’s absurd that they would even put that on there,” Bock said.

  55. Genghis

    Biden must have won the election

  56. Oscr

    I spotted reference to the blog linking to the AMA pdf some days ago and posted the link in an interest group thread on the election where dozens of anti-Trump posters are lauding it over the only pro-Trump poster who I occasionally support by posts like this and as ILike I did with the Benson’s Law test which I first saw on Cat. Twice now the conservative voice blogs turn out to have been misleading as to the information posted and do wish the originators of these stories would check what they post. They end up detracting from the credibility of the conservative interpretation of events.

  57. Lee

    It was only ever about Donald Trump.

    Exactly.
    Had the virus happened on a Democrat president’s watch there would have been absolutely no controversy about the use of HCQ, or his recommendation of it.
    This is the most blatantly clear and evil perversion of the Hippocratic oath I can recall.
    All for political reasons.

  58. mh:

    Is there a way for someone to easily show that they have been vaccinated – like a bar code they can download to their phone? There ought to be.

    No bargaining on this one as per your quote above.
    We’re not going to be conned into bargaining our way into giving these bastards what they want – demanding a ridiculous outcome, then settling for an outcome that is still way beyond reasonable.
    e.g.
    Faceless Bureaucrat: “Mandatory 20Km/hr speed limits on highways.”
    Citizen: “Piss off FB.”
    FB: “OK we’ll compromise – 50Km/hr. Done.”
    Citizen: “Say what?”
    FB: “We compromised. It’s for your own good.”

  59. Ed Case

    ***I have always believed that the reason that much of equatorial Africa & many countries in tropical zones failed to develop large scale CV-19 outbreaks is because they routinely take anti-malarial medication.***
    Perhaps.
    Up to 18% of people in Equatorial Africa carry the Sickle Cell gene, conferring immunity to Malaria.
    Nevertheless, Malaria is classed as either Hyperdemic or Holodemic in these regions: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3060623/
    Hard to believe the kleptocracies of tropical Africa spend any money on the health of their subjects.
    This has been an epidemic like no other, some countries have wave after wave of outbreaks, other countries never see it even once.

  60. SIMON MORGAN

    @Terry

    The guillotine is too good for these people.

    -Better to hit them where it really hurts – their pockets. I can hear the beautiful sound of class actions as I write …

  61. The BigBlueCat

    Genghis
    #3694071, posted on December 19, 2020 at 11:45 am
    Biden must have won the election

    Not sure what that even means … while the Electoral College have given him the votes to become POTUS-elect, there is enough anecdotal and sworn evidence around that says that the election was rigged in the 4 key states (and elsewhere).

    The “election” was about removing the “bad, evil orange man”, you know, the guy who is still POTUS until January 20, 2021, and is likely to use that time to expose the deep state and the Democrat cronyism.

    I can’t wait to see what Trump does next. It will upset the Demonrats no-end …..

  62. Shane

    The BigBlueCat, whatever Trump does, it starting to look like the storm front is almost ready to break over Washington DC.
    Its been tweeted for the past 2 days that Trump has told all non essential members of the WhiteHouse to leave Washington DC as soon as possible .Also Martin Armstrong’s AI predictive software is warning of chaos in the Dow starting on the 21 th going continuing onto the 5 th of Jan.
    Plus now that that badly kept secret that Justice John Roberts travelled on the Lolita express & with that just released photo of him in a carribean sea setting with Bill Clinton & some other other power brokers, sort of signals that things are starting to pop so if Trump is going to use his powers as a wartime president, it has to be now else it will be just too late no matter how bad Biden’s coughing & hawking gets.( Plus a CGI Biden at a virtual reality inauguration is a distinct possibility no matter whether hes still with us or not.)

  63. Ozman

    Doctors & Medical Experts Worldwide Warn Humanity Against Taking the COVID19 Vaccine. If you fear getting the flu, there is no need for the flu shot, which often proves ineffective. HCQ is proving the closest thing to a panacea ever known.

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