Now that’s leadership!

This from the SMH:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison says he is hopeful border restrictions between Victoria and NSW can be eased soon, with both states appearing to be well on top of their COVID-19 outbreaks.

The Prime Minister said he had spoken to Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews on Monday night “to see if we can get a better pathway for Victorians home as soon as possible”.

The Prime Minister is “hopeful”.  Now that is leadership.

Australia is either a federation or not (and TAFKAS contends that the Federation has long been broken).

If the States are to exercise their State’s rights and close their borders, the other states should not have to financially underwrite that decision.

End this charade now.  Let the Feds keep the GST to fund essential federal functions – which don’t include health and education but do include borders and defence – and let give the states income tax powers back.

Just end this charade.  Maybe the Prime Minister can hope on that also.

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35 Responses to Now that’s leadership!

  1. Iain Russell says:

    Couldn’t agree more!

  2. FelixKruell says:

    That’s the problem – all the leverage Morrison has against the States involves blowing up federal/state relations.

    I don’t think the public would stomach it – not unless Morrison had exhausted the diplomacy/hope approach.

  3. Roger says:

    Let the Feds keep the GST to fund essential federal functions – which don’t include health and education but do include borders and defence – and let give the states income tax powers back.

    Something I’ve been advocating for a long time.

    Morrison is hamstrung by the HC rulings on state border soveriegnty.

    He should turn the situation to the nation’s long term advantage; let the states be responsible for collecting and spending their revenue and limit the Commonwealth to those powers originally envisaged in the Constitution.

  4. feelthebern says:

    It’s imperative for there to be a window for Dan Andrews to get back into Victoria, before they snap borders shut again.

  5. Roger says:

    sovereignty

  6. Rafe Champion says:

    In our dreams:)

  7. calli says:

    We’re all in this together.

    Apart.

  8. Snotball says:

    Yup! Let’s just add another level of taxation. Of all the stupid ideas!

  9. Roger says:

    Yup! Let’s just add another level of taxation. Of all the stupid ideas!

    It’s the Commonwealth that is the added level of taxation. The states, as colonies, pre-date it. The Commonwealth arrogated the states’ rights to levy an income tax in 1942 under the guise of the war emergency. Since then the Commonwealth has grown into the present Leviathan that has an education department that runs no schools and a health department that runs no hospitals. Making the states liable for taxing and spending for the services they provide actually removes a level of government from the equation, which might just make our representatives more responsive to citizens. It might also increase competition between the states.

    The only absurdity here is the vertical fiscal imbalance that the present iteration of federalism imposes on all of us.

  10. Rossini says:

    Yeah! Give states the right to raise income taxes.
    Nothing dan the money man would enjoy more.

  11. cuckoo says:

    let give the states income tax powers back.

    The prospect of Comrade Dan with income taxing powers doesn’t bear thinking about.

  12. Entropy says:

    He should turn the situation to the nation’s long term advantage; let the states be responsible for collecting and spending their revenue and limit the Commonwealth to those powers originally envisaged in the Constitution.

    Morrison is about centralised government and even at the federal level further concentration of power under PM&C. Look at all the executive agencies he has created that sit over the top of the line agencies, that mean he does not need to seek advice of the relevant ministers. The only point these days of Morrison giving someone a ministry is political allegiance.

    Anyway, point is there is Buckley’s chance of Scotty from Marketing doing anything of the kind.

  13. Entropy says:

    The idea of a State being responsible for its own revenue would expose the likes of Dan quite well I would think. He won’t be able to blame Canberra!

  14. Mike Ryan says:

    Whatever happened with that high court challenge?
    The PM gave up – again.

  15. Forester says:

    Mr Morrison is continuing Mr Turnbull’s policy of occupying the middle ground which is necessary to win elections in Australia.

    I think he and his front bench know what needs to be done but know they’d be turfed out if they did it.

    The interesting part for NSW is Matt Kean, I thought I read an article where he claimed ‘small modular nuclear reactors will be available after 2030’. Unfortunately I didn’t bookmark it.

    I’ll just keep voting LDP.

  16. Roger says:

    The prospect of Comrade Dan with income taxing powers doesn’t bear thinking about.

    So vote him out or vote with your feet.

    Plenty of Victorians did when Qld abolished death duties.

    Such competition would place a constraint on state premiers and their spending habits as they vied to attract business investment and productive workers.

    The present system only encourages bad behaviour as big daddy (the Commonwealth) will always be there to dole out relief to the financially recalcitrant child.

  17. Struth says:

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison says he is hopeful border restrictions between Victoria and NSW can be eased soon, with both states appearing to be well on top of their COVID-19 outbreaks.

    The Prime Minister said he had spoken to Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews on Monday night “to see if we can get a better pathway for Victorians home as soon as possible”.

    How many things wrong can you find in this one statement?
    Besides the obvious about being hopeful for national unity, he leaves out constitutional responsibility, etc etc etc, and it being all theatre, he has that typical public service ignorance about how the world works, and cares not anyway.
    Are closed borders only hampering Victorians wishing to come home from Holidays?
    This, “everyone works in an office” mentality, we have seen often from bureaucracies in their assessment that everyone leads the lives they think they lead.
    He is a criminal and unmitigated tragedy to be dealt with ASAP.

  18. Struth says:

    It is a great idea for states to tax, as long as there is freedom to move businesses and people across the borders.

  19. H B Bear says:

    I would say SloMo is such a disappointment but with all the effort the Waffleworthian forces went to to see that he succeeded it seems churlish.

  20. Roger says:

    I thought I read an article where he claimed ‘small modular nuclear reactors will be available after 2030’.

    There is a much developmental work going on with modular nuclear reactors, Forrester, and they provide a possible solution to the eventual deterioration of the reliability of the eastern grid due to the impact of renewables. The crucial question is whether our regulatory environment would make them economical.

  21. DD says:

    Do the states have sovereignty over aircraft or ships arriving from overseas?
    No?
    These closed internal borders are childish squabbles such as those that preceded federation. That was the reason for S92 of the constitution.
    Does it work well for you?
    Federation is indeed busted, as is every institution created by federation including, especially, the high court.
    The high court abandoned the constitution.
    The whirlwind is close now.

  22. Dinky says:

    Actually giving states back their taxation powers is a good idea. It would likely create something the states would dread: competition.

    Old Joh Bjelke-Petersen abolished death duties to attract people & businesses to his state & it worked. All the other states eventually removed death duties because of his actions.

  23. Strayan Drongo says:

    Yes yes yes… This has to happen. The people who spend the money should have to raise it. Also this will build competition between states, which will be great for the citizens.

  24. H B Bear says:

    Waffleworth put State taxation on the agenda. It lasted almost 24 hours from memory. I suspect that State premiers feel the same way as the Palis and Middle East peace. They complain a lot about it but really glad they aren’t expected to do much about it.

  25. duncanm says:

    weak.

    Scotty should just announce that every border closure will cost that state 0.1 of their GST redistribution for 2021. No ifs, no buts.

  26. Rockdoctor says:

    Don’t reckon it work anymore. Back in the 1980’s like when Sir Joe did his death taxes repeal, maybe but all arms of Government are that addicted to taxes they would likely mirror each other.

    Only way I could think to start a bidding war would be to have the Fed’s take over running the Territories again and turn them into tax havens.

  27. covid ate my homework says:

    Where my country gone? The Australia of my childhood is now a steaming pile of shit!

  28. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Only way I could think to start a bidding war would be to have the Fed’s take over running the Territories again and turn them into tax havens

    As long as I could have decent aircon I guess I could live in Darwin.
    I got married there once. That didn’t work out, but times have changed.
    Aircon is a lot better now too.

  29. John A says:

    feelthebern #3709783, posted on January 5, 2021, at 10:49 am

    It’s imperative for there to be a window for Dan Andrews to get back into Victoria before they snap borders shut again.

    No, leave him out in the cold. The foreign meeja types will happily ignore him, even if he introduces himself as “The exiled Premier of the PDR of Viktoriastan.”

    If he wants to be re-elected, he has to knock on the door and ask for permission to enter.

    And THEN we can talk about returning income tax powers to the States.

  30. Nighthawk the Elder says:

    So when do the refugee camps spring up along the Murray for locked out Victorians? And next will come the enterprising “tinnie navy” to ferry the new boat people across the waters. If they make it to the other side, they can claim asylum. Or is that, be admitted to an asylum for even wanting to return to Vicdanastan

  31. Squirrel says:

    Having seen mediocre (to put it very kindly), debt-laden governments resoundingly re-elected in the NT, Qld and the ACT because they claimed to be keeping their citizens safe, a PM with a slim majority who hopes to be re-elected with a less slim majority some time in the next year, or so, is not going to call the bluff of the Premiers on borders unless there is a very clear shift in public sentiment.

    Right now, that shift is nowhere on the horizon. The “fiscal cliff” might change that, but it’s just as likely that the punterariat will go on hugging their “he/she kept us safe” state/territory leader and blame the feds for the economic problems.

    Re-jigging fiscal federalism to flick the problem to the states is nice in theory, but not so easy in practice when the states which are the two worst offenders in over the top border closures also happen to be the states which provide the LNP majority in the federal parliament – the Premiers of those states would be very well aware of the leverage that gives them.

  32. Tel says:

    The Australian Constitution should be considered mostly a guideline.

    Very similar to the National Anthem in that regard … no one can remember the words to either.

  33. Mullumhillbilly says:

    I live in NSW, work for a company incorporated in QLD, that sends me to work on projects in Tas and WA. In which state will I pay income tax?

  34. Pedro the Loafer says:

    What a top idea. State income taxes. The GST was supposed to supplant all of those other dodgy and sneaky taxes, never happened of course

    Naturally the federal income taxes won’t go away either, once a tax is in place it is there forever.

  35. a reader says:

    Mullumhillbilly, as a resident of NSW, NSW. That’s what happened prior to 1942

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