Trump has finally admitted defeat – Liar in Chief – the Biggest Loser

It astounds me that commentators who I respect on this site are so beguiled by Trump, arguably the worst president in US history. He has destroyed the Republican party, entrenched left wing government by helping the Democrats win the two Georgian Senate seats, destroyed trust in the US Republic (internally and externally), divided the country, ignited passions of conflict and bloodshed. Previously I thought he should be ignored after losing office – now he should be imprisoned for crimes against the United States and its people. The man is a fool, scoundrel, grifter, charlatan, cozener, shyster, hic and conman. It’s how he has lived his life – as the liar in chief. A man whose lies are so frequent that they disguise the rare truth.

There is no doubt that he lost the election – clearly and emphatically. There was no serious voter fraud. There is no doubt that he incited violence yesterday – encouraging a mob to descent upon the Capitol and bringing disrespect to the US Constitution which he has failed to uphold.

To suggest that Antifa was behind the violence at the Capitol is to hold to a fiction and a conspiracy theory – Trump’s words are clear where he encouraged his supporters to come to the Capitol and show strength. If it wasn’t for Trump there would not have been a mob entering the Capitol.

Trump has therefore become a traitor to his country and should be tried for treason. Far from being forgotten as I had once hoped, he now has to be punished for numerous crimes against the United States and against the 50 States of the Union. He should be the infamous example of anarchy and also as the traitor in chief to the Republic and to the Republican Party.

If there is now a severe leftward shift in the USA – as I had warned previously – it’s because Trump treated the presidency as a means of enriching himself and his family and friends. He has violated a sacred trust and is without doubt the most infamous of presidents. Trump is the agent of the leftward shift – and his supporters on this blog will one day come to realise that fact.

And to think people were advocating that Pence should violate his oath and attempt a coup!!! If the Vice President could do this, why wouldn’t Gore have done the same in 2001? It’s absolute madness.

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624 Responses to Trump has finally admitted defeat – Liar in Chief – the Biggest Loser

  1. mh says:

    QLD Business
    Month of misery as QLD restaurants, retailers fail
    High profile restaurants and retailers were among the 50 Queensland company failures over the past month but experts warn more corporate collapses are on the horizon.

  2. egg_ says:

    the Qld Labor Bolsheviks have shut down most of SE Qld because of one case of Covid.

    This.

    Nice weapon to get Lefties standing on their chairs in panic.

    Californians now openly defying COVID orders – had enough?

  3. Dot says:

    Rockdoctor

    The left were bitter before Joe was declared the winner. They were bitter before the election.

    They were bitter after Trump won, they were bitter even before he won the GOP primary.

    The last 15 years has seen the left go absolutely feral.

    To wit:

    Susan Rosenberg got out of prison in 2001.
    Generation Z and millenials never lived in the shadow of a Soviet dictator willing to kill us all if he didn’t get his own way.

  4. Leo G says:

    The election was a referendum on Trump. Trump was an extremely polarizing figure. He generated enormous amount of support but even bigger amount of hate.

    The “bigger amount of hate” being concentrated in a relatively small proportion of people- people who hated those who Trump best represented and hated Trump most for that reason.

  5. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Boris:

    but even bigger amount of hate

    All a noisy cackling by the left but no actual proof of this. Relying on widespread fraud to assert the existence of Trump antipathy is no basis for argument.

  6. mh says:

    You grew up in soviet russia, in a bolshevik family and only fled Russia when communism collapsed.

    So what brings you to Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog, Boris?

  7. m0nty says:

    Twitter Safety @TwitterSafety
    After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence.

    https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html

  8. Dot says:

    Can Bill Clinton be banned? After all, he pardoned Susan Rosenberg.

  9. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “m0nty
    #3716317, posted on January 9, 2021 at 10:32 am”

    So Donut Muncher is supporting and applauding censorship…they why is he here?

  10. The not very bright Marcus says:

    Farewell Twitter …farewell Face book

  11. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Cassie, +1

  12. egg_ says:

    Twitter Safety @TwitterSafety
    After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence.

    Did Trump think that appeasing these tyrants via smearing Patriots as “heinous” would win him anything?

    If he’s trying to fight them with their own tools, he’s on a hiding to nothing.

    He should have clobbered Big Tech much sooner.

    Hopefully, his loss brings all of this out into the open, when half the Electorate believe that the Election was stolen.

  13. The not very bright Marcus says:

    I wonder if the book burnings will be done sustainably ?

  14. egg_ says:

    why is he here?

    Only at the invitation of the owner – until he oversteps the mark again.

  15. Cassie of Sydney says:

    I posted this 1/2 ago on another thread….

    And another thing……I’ve never advocated for censorship, I’m a free speech purist. However as I write conservatives and others on the right are being systematically purged from ALL mainstream social media platforms….Instagram, Twitter, Facebook. As I write the media are trying to shut down alternative tech platforms such as Parler and GAB. The trolls here, Da EllenG, Kruella, the Toowoomba racist and others, are no doubt ALL cheering on this censorship, we know they have zero respect for free speech yet they are here day after day…so I ask myself…why are they here and why are they allowed to post here? I think it is time they experienced some censorship themselves.

  16. candy says:

    It’s only a matter of time before Trump supporters will have their businesses boycotted and children excluded from schools.

    You’d never think that 10 years ago – but there is America now.

  17. egg_ says:

    The election was a referendum on Trump. Trump was an extremely polarizing figure. He generated enormous amount of support but even bigger amount of hate.

    The revolution WILL be televised!

  18. mh says:

    The President of the United States has been banned by the Oligarchs.

    And ‘The Great Reset’ is a conspiracy theory.

  19. egg_ says:

    Boris is a parody sock from one of the OT midwits.
    That’s why you won’t get a decent argument out of him.

  20. egg_ says:

    You grew up in soviet russia, in a bolshevik family

    Bullsh1t – it doesn’t know a word of Russian – pure LARPing fantasyland by a sad old fvck.

    It takes all kinds.

  21. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Boris
    #3716264, posted on January 9, 2021 at 10:03 am
    For those too thick to understand my earlier comment:

    Imagine 40% support Trump and 10% support Biden. But 60% hate Trump and 40% hate Biden. Who will win?

    1) There’s no compulsory voting in the USA: if voters don’t like either candidate, they stay away on Election Day.
    2) Both major parties, but particularly Dems, hope for clear skies and fine weather on Election Day because voters tend to stay away if it rains, so the weather will more often than not out vote the actual vote.

    And finally, and the most important…

    3) Here we’re interested in actual evidence: imagining is not reality.

  22. egg_ says:

    but even bigger amount of hate

    Which makes him a towering figure to a keyboard ZERO.

  23. FelixKruell says:

    Boris:

    The election was a referendum on Trump. Trump was an extremely polarizing figure. He generated enormous amount of support but even bigger amount of hate. That’s why he lost to a very unpopular candidate. The name of Trump’s opponent did not matter. He would have lost to a dead horse. Biden’s job was to generate the least amount of hate. That’s why he stayed out of the limelight and let Trump self destruct. And sure he did.

    Very true.

    The fact that so many people here who screech about TDS don’t think that might lead to some people voting against Trump (rather than for Biden) is just baffling.

  24. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    The proof is how many votes vs the electoral roll. There can be no chicanery regarding this. It is open and shut.

    Great. Which state had more votes an voters? It’s open and shut, remember.

  25. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    CNN told you they did something. They have no evidence they actually did it.

    They did not link to any verifiable evidence other than themselves.

    They did not publish any list of names and they linked and quoted a left wing source who denied there was practically any electoral fraud at all.

    Ahuh. Now, apply that same standard of evidence to the original claim of 50,000 dead people voting.

  26. Dot says:

    The same standard?

    Go and look into it yourself.

    The evidence is out there. I looked at a few names and posted it here at the cat.

    You’re admitting by omission that CNN lied and you were wrong.

    Good. We’re making progress.

    Now you just refuse to look at the evidence.

  27. Dot says:

    Great. Which state had more votes an voters? It’s open and shut, remember.

    Pennsylvania.

    Open and shut.

  28. JC says:

    Very true.

    The fact that so many people here who screech about TDS don’t think that might lead to some people voting against Trump (rather than for Biden) is just baffling.

    Boris is a decent, upfront dude. I respect his opinion, although I don’t agree with him on the Trump issue. Boris has been a long time libertarian commenter at Catallaxy and his views are great. He’s honest to a fault.

    You aren’t. You’re a shifty dishonest grub with no intention of ever having an honest debate.

  29. Rockdoctor says:

    I agree with the Soviet Threat Dot. I grew up with the shadow of MAD in the background, a father who was a veteran and went to school at one stage with an eastern European type whose family escaped. I also had stories from grandparents who lived through the 1930’s and WWII. Anyone who can’t remember before 1989 isn’t likely to have that experience. Scary isn’t it, especially when they are trying to erase history.

    Not trying to be melodramatic but I see a lot of parallels with historical records of the early stages of the 20th century totalitarian regimes of Europe and what is going on now from the left. Whether it gets worse or the pendulum swings back is anyone’s guess.

  30. Kneel says:

    “And he’d deserve it.”

    Well, of course – after all, he didn’t just slow it down like a “proper” Republican would, he actually reversed some of their plan. The heathen! We should have already started the Great Reset, but this fool actually wanted America and normal Americans rich and happy – how can we subjugate the peons if they’re not fully downtrodden? They need to be broken, not encouraged! They need to see who really has the power, and it isn’t those deplorables.
    And no-one prepared to try and assasinate him like the last Republican President who tried that (Reagan) – you can’t rely on a Democrat to do anything right!
    Looks like lockdowns, mask mandates and critical race theory all with a vengeance. Full speed ahead and damn the plebs! We need the extra 10% of the wealth – 90% just isn’t enough for the 1%, they must have it all!
    Of course he deserves it – after all he wreaked the economy increased unemployment decreased wages for the middle and lower classes reduced border security increased taxes increased regulations started new wars increased tensions with NK didn’t create new peace deals in the ME was rude to us on twitter and said things we don’t like. Hang him!

  31. m0nty says:

    Trump is probably going to ring in to Fox & Friends in the morning, will they take his call?

  32. JC says:

    Lucius

    Contrast and compare the period of the election date to the inauguration for Trump and the Kid Sniffer. By this time, Trump was talking to companies trying to talk them into re-shoring, discussing various forms of tax corporate tax cuts and how to invigorate the stalling economy after 8 years of the Kenyan who did nothing.

    The Kid Sniffer made a speech two days ago attacking the other half of the population as being racist disloyal.

    This low energy, demented nincompoop is expected to do great things?

  33. m0nty says:

    We need the extra 10% of the wealth – 90% just isn’t enough for the 1%, they must have it all!

    It is amazing after all this time that you believe that Trump is not on the side of the 1%.

  34. Tailgunner says:

    “My Fellow Americans..” may come to all via EBS message to phones.

  35. Tailgunner says:

    Sinc, we need a new post Election thread pronto!
    It’s Happening!

  36. Tel says:

    Pennsylvania.

    Open and shut.

    They have two separate systems: the old county system, and the centrally managed SURE system (Statewide Uniform Register of Electors). The counties are forced by the state to use SURE to generate their voter rolls … and afterwards they must update the list of who voted. The 200k discrepancy is between the “Who voted?” update list and the total votes for candidates at the county level. Those two numbers should match up precisely but I doubt they ever do. The 200k is not a discrepancy when compared with the overall number of enrolled voters, since there are always a large number who don’t vote.

    A lot of people have got themselves confused about how this works … but then that’s part of the trick of cheating in many places and in many ways, to ensure sufficient confusion. The system as a whole should never have been allowed to get this bad in the first place

  37. Anne says:

    Gunner, did you lose your Twitter account?

  38. Anne says:

    New Trump thread 👉🏻

  39. Maj says:

    “I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.”

    — God

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df9viSYvV4s

  40. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Sinc, we need a new post Election thread pronto!
    It’s Happening!

    Tailgunner – I can’t tell if you’re taking the piss, or if you’re serious. Please tell me you’ve been taking the piss.

  41. Maj says:

    Mariann Budde was consecrated as a “Bishop” by a “woman Bishop”, which means she is no Bishop at all according to the laws of the Apostolic Succession

  42. Kneel says:

    “I wonder if the book burnings will be done sustainably ?”

    Is burning the constitution “carbon neutral”? Surely it can’t be “renewable energy” can it – you can only burn it once, and it’s hardly 300GW/h just lying around, is it?

    Mind you, “deplorables” could be a renewable resource – just burn them. Well, lookie! Political AND environmental concerns solved! Two birds with one stone, so to say. What’s not to like?

  43. m0nty says:

    A lot of people have got themselves confused about how this works … but then that’s part of the trick of cheating in many places and in many ways, to ensure sufficient confusion. The system as a whole should never have been allowed to get this bad in the first place

    “I am too dumb to understand what’s going on so I call shenanigans” is a take.

  44. JC says:

    Sustainable, low carbon emissions book burning !

    Hahahahahaahahahah

  45. egg_ says:

    Boris is a decent, upfront dude.

    Quelle surprise!

  46. egg_ says:

    The number of parody trolls who use “yeh” is telling.

    Illiteracy seems to be a common feature.

  47. JC says:

    Jealous, eggles?

    Don’t be. If only I could understand what you’re saying most times I could say the same about you. 🙂

  48. Maj says:

    If you’re a common sense person, you probably don’t feel you have a home in this world right now. If you’re a Christian, you know you were never meant to.

    — Patricia Heaton (@PatriciaHeaton) January 8, 2021

  49. Tailgunner says:

    It’s the Precipice,boss!
    Can you feel it?

  50. Kneel says:

    “Parler is down.”

    Parler feed still active on my phone.
    It was copping timeouts yesterday, bigly.
    I suspect it’s just very busy – if you want to look at Trump “tweets”, the only places are Gab and Parler.
    Levin and Nunes have moved there as well, lots looking for info, I reckon.

  51. Kneel says:

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/1/08/apple-prepares-to-ban-parler-from-devices-as-big-tech-purge-continues/

    “Apple is preparing to ban Parler from its devices within the next 24 hours, the free-speech-branded social media platform told The Federalist Friday, as the big tech purge of online voices competing with the leftist world order of Silicon Valley escalates in the wake of the Capitol Hill riots that ensued Wednesday.”

  52. Kneel says:

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/facebook-deletes-anti-democrat-walkaway-page

    “Facebook removed the popular, anti-Democratic Party “WalkAway” page from its platform Friday, according to a tweet from WalkAway founder Brandon Straka.”

    The big tech stranglehold tightens more…

  53. Tel says:

    I agree with the Soviet Threat Dot. I grew up with the shadow of MAD in the background, a father who was a veteran and went to school at one stage with an eastern European type whose family escaped. I also had stories from grandparents who lived through the 1930’s and WWII. Anyone who can’t remember before 1989 isn’t likely to have that experience. Scary isn’t it, especially when they are trying to erase history.

    The USSR is gone, it simply does not exist anymore. The Russian Federation was built on the recognition that Communism failed and they need something else instead. Sure, it may not be perfect … but they are looking to develop themselves, they don’t want to invade the world.

    The spectre of Communism can always come back again, but not out of the USSR. Even amongst modern Socialists they are busy disowning the failure of the USSR, saying “That wasn’t real socialism!” … therefore they understand that it has failed and they also want something new. What they have come up with is a kind of techno-serfdom ruled over by the likes of the EU bureaucracy.

  54. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    What they have come up with is a kind of techno-serfdom ruled over by the likes of the EU bureaucracy.

    This is the chinese model, stakeholder capitalism it’s now called. You can lead your life so long as there is no manifestation of wrong-think

  55. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    Go and look into it yourself.

    The evidence is out there. I looked at a few names and posted it here at the cat.

    I asked you 6 times for your evidence. But nothing.

    You ‘looking at a few names’ is less than what CNN did.

  56. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    Pennsylvania. Great.

    The total number of registered voters shown in the “Voter registration statistics by county” excel document on the Pennsylvania Department of State website shows a total of 9,091,371 as of Nov. 2, 2020

    And of this 9 million registered voters…

    Presidential race

    PARTY VOTES PCT.
    Joe Biden Democrat 3,459,923 50.0%
    Donald Trump* Republican 3,378,263 48.8%

    So a total of around 6.8 million.

    Now, 9 million voters is more than 6.8m votes. Some registered voters didn’t vote it seems. Shock. Horror.

    Open and shut.

  57. FelixKruell says:

    JC:

    Boris is a decent, upfront dude. I respect his opinion, although I don’t agree with him on the Trump issue. Boris has been a long time libertarian commenter at Catallaxy and his views are great. He’s honest to a fault.

    You aren’t. You’re a shifty dishonest grub with no intention of ever having an honest debate.

    Yet every time I ask you to point out my lies, you go silent.

    And every time I start an honest debate, you divert to personal abuse.

    Your lack of self awareness is almost Trumpian.

  58. Makka says:

    What they have come up with is a kind of techno-serfdom ruled over by the likes of the EU bureaucracy.

    I think the new rulers are leftist Govt and /or their bureaucracies in coordination with Big Media/Techs and Big Corps/Pharma. The social and “progressive” goals of all these entities are now aligned as a coordinated amalgamation, they have the power of either influence or authority in that they want a totally compliant population who are easily fleeced with nobody going off the reservation (promoting free speech or thought). They are a formidable overarching group and I would say impregnable in the medium term , say a decade. We are entering very dark times IMO.

  59. Kneel says:

    “Now, 9 million voters is more than 6.8m votes. Some registered voters didn’t vote it seems. Shock. Horror.

    Open and shut.”

    Ah huh.
    Look again – number of votes: ~6.9M, number of voters ~6.7M.
    ~200k more votes than people who voted (official records).
    “Please explain”.

  60. Dot says:

    Ah huh.
    Look again – number of votes: ~6.9M, number of voters ~6.7M.
    ~200k more votes than people who voted (official records).
    “Please explain”.

    Felix is the dumbest sockpuppet our lonely, friendless paralegal from Wallsend has ever sewn button eyes onto.

  61. FelixKruell says:

    Kneel:

    Ah huh.
    Look again – number of votes: ~6.9M, number of voters ~6.7M.
    ~200k more votes than people who voted (official records).
    “Please explain”.

    Show us the official records showing only 6.7m voters…I’ll wait here.

  62. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    You struggling with the maths? That’s okay, I’ll take it slow.

    9m > 6.8m.

    The end.

  63. Kneel says:

    “Felix is the dumbest sockpuppet …”

    Oh, I duuno – Matt asked for evidence, I gave it to him, and his reply is “Why did no court decide on it then?” Notice the change from “There IS no evidence” to “No court has ruled on it” – well, if you ask them to look before the election, they say “no damage, only speculative damage, come back later”, if you wait until after they say “no standing” unless you do and they can’t deny it, when it becomes “moot”, or “you waited too long”, or “we can’t remedy it”.

    Fucking spineless cowards or political hacks, running scared of the woke mob instead of hearing and ruling on the merits without fear or favour. Breaking their oath. At worst they should be hanged as traitors, and at least sent to gaol as they would send any perjurer to gaol for breaking a solemn oath.

  64. JC says:

    Yet every time I ask you to point out my lies, you go silent.

    There he goes again. Lying! Instead of PAYG I practice LAYG. LAYG… Lie as you go. I point out your lies every time I see one.

    And every time I start an honest debate, you divert to personal abuse.

    Ringshot, you’ve never tried an honest debate because you have no ability to be honest.

    Your lack of self awareness is almost Trumpian.

    Okay, another lie.

  65. Dot says:

    It’s not about how many people were “registered to vote” you dummy.

    That’s just a red herring. This is a made up problem no one claiming fraud ever brought up.

    http://www.repdiamond.com/News/18754/Latest-News/PA-Lawmakers-Numbers-Don%E2%80%99t-Add-Up,-Certification-of-Presidential-Results-Premature-and-In-Error

    What matters in bold:

    A comparison of official county election results to the total number of voters who voted on November 3, 2020 as recorded by the Department of State shows that 6,962,607 total ballots were reported as being cast, while DoS/SURE system records indicate that only 6,760,230 total voters actually voted. Among the 6,962,607 total ballots cast, 6,931,060 total votes were counted in the presidential race, including all three candidates on the ballot and write-in candidates.

    That’s the problem. 205,000 votes that came out of thin air.

  66. FelixKruell says:

    JC:

    There he goes again. Lying! Instead of PAYG I practice LAYG. LAYG… Lie as you go. I point out your lies every time I see one.

    You seem to think lying is saying anything you disagree with. Time to crack open that dictionary
    JC…

    Ringshot, you’ve never tried an honest debate because you have no ability to be honest.

    How very convenient for you. But unfortunately, everything us there in black and white. Just scroll up. Discussion on dead voters. Discussion on voter numbers versus votes. All honest, all with links and quotes backing it up. Your response? Personal abuse.

  67. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    Yet every time I ask you to point out my lies, you go silent.

    when you open your mouth

  68. Dot says:

    But unfortunately, everything us there in black and white. Just scroll up. Discussion on dead voters. Discussion on voter numbers versus votes. All honest, all with links and quotes backing it up

    You mean CNN referencing itself without any external verification or validation.

  69. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    Finally some evidence. Thank you!

    Now, to counter it:

    The claim that there were more ballots than voters comes from a flawed analysis done by state Republican lawmakers who relied on incomplete data and a misunderstanding of how those data are collected.
    A small group of Republican state representatives, led by Rep. Frank Ryan (R., Lebanon), announced last week that they had compared the number of votes counted with the number of “voters actually voted.” By their calculations, there were almost seven million votes cast but fewer than 6.8 million voters who participated in the election.

    It was a stunning announcement. And it was wrong.

    Any analysis based on vote histories is incomplete because those data are not yet finalized. Some counties are still finishing the work of marking every voter as having voted.

    It’s unclear exactly what source the lawmakers used for their data — a spokesperson for Ryan did not return multiple emails last week — but a news release about the analysis attributed the data to the Pennsylvania Department of State’s voter registry. That database doesn’t have a complete list of the vote histories for every voter yet. There is no way to use it to determine the number of participating voters in the 2020 election.

    There’s no mathematical impossibility here, just the wrong use of election data.

    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/trump-washington-rally-pennsylvania-fact-check-20210106.html

  70. Kneel says:

    Tricky – votepa doesn’t have 2020 numbers, although they do for prior years.

    How about this though – from a PA state rep:

    http://www.repdiamond.com/News/18754/Latest-News/PA-Lawmakers-Numbers-Don%E2%80%99t-Add-Up,-Certification-of-Presidential-Results-Premature-and-In-Error

    “A comparison of official county election results to the total number of voters who voted on November 3, 2020 as recorded by the Department of State shows that 6,962,607 total ballots were reported as being cast, while DoS/SURE system records indicate that only 6,760,230 total voters actually voted. Among the 6,962,607 total ballots cast, 6,931,060 total votes were counted in the presidential race, including all three candidates on the ballot and write-in candidates.”

  71. Dot says:

    Any analysis based on vote histories is incomplete because those data are not yet finalized. Some counties are still finishing the work of marking every voter as having voted.

    No, if you haven’t finished counting and there is fraud, you don’t get to say the fraud goes away when the count disappears unless you are claiming the count would find another 205,000 votes.

    There is no way to use it to determine the number of participating voters in the 2020 election.

    Yes there is. You’re saying if they waited the votes would equal.

    No your first claim is inconsistent with the second.

    Which lie are you saying is true?

    That’s like saying we can never prove electoral fraud until the votes are finalised and the books are closed for that election.

    Total bullshit.

  72. Dot says:

    That’s a bit shitty.

  73. David says:

    That database doesn’t have a complete list of the vote histories for every voter yet. There is no way to use it to determine the number of participating voters in the 2020 election.

    This fact check is nonsensical. How can they have checked whether people voted twice if they haven’t recorded who voted? This is supposedly done by a national level news service. Embarrassing.

  74. Boambee John says:

    m0nty
    #3716252, posted on January 9, 2021 at 9:57 am
    Ho ho.
    Rather, they want to make sure he can’t run in 2024.

    And he’d deserve it.

    munty is rubbing his hands with glee in anticipation of the show trials. He is hoping for public executions.

  75. m0nty says:

    In the wake of Wednesday’s riot at the Capitol, Trump supporters with extremist views feel emboldened and are vowing to return to Washington for the upcoming inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden on January 20, using online platforms to rally each other.

    “Many of Us will return on January 19, 2021, carrying Our weapons, in support of Our nation’s resolve, towhich [sic] the world will never forget!!! We will come in numbers that no standing army or police agency can match,” wrote a popular Parler user who frequently posts about QAnon, and is being tracked by the Anti-Defamation League.

    Parler, Telegram chat rooms and the platform TheDonald.win were all used to plan and coordinate the Jan. 6 rally that turned into a riot. Posters explicitly stated their intentions to “occupy” the Capitol. QAnon conspiracy theorists and people associated with militia groups had a visible presence in Wednesday’s crowd.

    “Round 2 on January 20th. This time no mercy. I don’t even care about keeping Trump in power. I care about war,” an anonymous person posted on the platform TheDonald.win, which is filled with comments posted by people who lauded those who rioted Wednesday as “heroes.”

  76. m0nty says:

    Campaign Monitor also deplatformed Trump, and he hasn’t sent a fundraising email for two days.

  77. Boambee John says:

    Makka

    I think the new rulers are leftist Govt and /or their bureaucracies in coordination with Big Media/Techs and Big Corps/Pharma.

    This is fascism as described by Mussolini.

    Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

    As long as the oligarchs support and are subservient to the fascist state, they can continue to operate and make exorbitant profits.

    The left used to oppose this kind of deal, but now have embraced it, and to hell with the poor and the workers.

  78. Kneel says:

    “How can they have checked whether people voted twice if they haven’t recorded who voted?”

    Oh, it’s worse than that – how can you certify the vote is correct without this data?
    Yet they did…

  79. Kneel says:

    “The left used to oppose this kind of deal, but now have embraced it, and to hell with the poor and the workers.”

    HRC and “fly-over counties” comments.
    HBO and “jobs not coming back” comments.
    JRB and “learn to code” comments.

    All have been in politics for years on $150k+ p.a. taxpayer funded jobs, yet increased their personal wealth by 10’s of millions – you’d think this might draw some questions from the media, but no, they’d rather focus on DJT’s dormant Chinese business bank accounts which the IRS has had details about for >4 years.

    DJT showed R’s that there is a base there for the taking – the working class.
    They don’t want that sort to vote for them.
    They will get their wish when they lose their primaries in two, four and six years time.
    They won’t be missed by any but their fellow swamp-rats.

  80. Makka says:

    As long as the oligarchs support and are subservient to the fascist state, they can continue to operate and make exorbitant profits.

    Green, left , woke credentials must be on display at all times or risk being shunned from the elites. Any tithes imposed must be paid with enthusiasm and a smile (then fleeced from the sheeple).

  81. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    No, if you haven’t finished counting and there is fraud, you don’t get to say the fraud goes away when the count disappears unless you are claiming the count would find another 205,000 votes.

    I don’t think you understood their point. Have another read.

    That’s like saying we can never prove electoral fraud until the votes are finalised and the books are closed for that election.

    If your claim is that there were more votes than voters, then yeah, you can’t prove fraud until they actually finish counting both those numbers. It’s not that complicated.

  82. Grip says:

    This had been inadequately reported:

    “A Reuters photographer said he heard at least three pro-Trump rioters at the Capitol on Wednesday saying they wanted to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging.

    The rioters said they “hoped to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor,” the photographer, Jim Bourg, tweeted.

    “It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed,” he added.”

    Also: it’s on video.

    JC and CL were here the other day saying they saw nothing wrong with the riot/attempted insurrection. They are blowhard armchair fascists, as I said.

  83. Dot says:

    You’re pissing in our pockets.

    Virtually all of the votes were counted by the next morning and certainly by a few days after.

    Your claim that fraud or major can’t be shown is simply dissembling nonsense.

    It’s not that complicated.

    Massive systemic fraud.

    Why are you defending Joe Biden, a senile child molester again?

  84. Dr Faustus says:

    I think the new rulers are leftist Govt and /or their bureaucracies in coordination with Big Media/Techs and Big Corps/Pharma.

    This is fascism as described by Mussolini.

    Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

    And a single party in political control of the functioning of the State.

    Leaving aside Q-stupidity, this is substantially what the US has willingly, or unknowingly embraced. The immediate future will be a fascinating social experiment.

  85. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    Virtually all of the votes were counted by the next morning and certainly by a few days after.

    The votes were counted quickly, for obvious reasons. But the system to count voters is a different one, and there’s less of a hurry to do that, and update their databases. That’s what the article explains.

    Your whole premise of fraud in this case rests on outdated data from a database that is yet to be updated.

    That’s why courts keep laughing at these claims – once you look into the detail, they’re nonsense.

  86. Dot says:

    It’s not nonsense at all.

    There is about a 3% discrepancy.

    You’re so full of shit.

    There are also many other indicia of fraud.

    Nice try before comparing the wrong data (registered voters vs votes cast), but your bullshit is very easy to see through.

    Hilarious that you can jump from that to lying about votes cast vs total voters who voted with seamless ease.

    Biden cheated. He’s senile. He’s also a filthy child molester.

  87. Dot says:

    “Not available”

    So they can’t reconcile votes case and voters who voted.

    Yet, they have certified the votes?

    Insane.

  88. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    So they can’t reconcile votes case and voters who voted.

    Yet, they have certified the votes?

    Insane.

    They have never used this data to reconcile or certify votes. They have different processes for that.

    Same way the AEC doesn’t count all the lined through lists of voters straight after the election.

  89. Dot says:

    Same way the AEC doesn’t count all the lined through lists of voters straight after the election.

    Yes, but there is never a 3% discrepancy that remains unexplained months later.

  90. Kneel says:

    “They are blowhard armchair fascists, as I said.”

    While antifa and BLM actually keep destroying public and private property, doing billions in damage, and that’s OK – we just need to understand their point of view. So says ABCNNBCBS. It’s all that shows up on social(ist) media too, so it must be true!

    Gee, let me think – they shut down the small business you spent years getting into a decent state, they let rioters burn it to the ground, they promised you help, then delayed it for political reasons costing you your house, forced your kids to stay home from school so your mrs couldn’t go to work either, made you shop at the giant “big box” stores then blamed the only guy in the last 2 decades who actually got the local economy moving. Then they wanted to arrest you for exercising your constitutional right to protest, even though others could protest and that was fine, even though those others lit fires in churches of historical significance, wreaked cars, and bashed and killed innocent people over hours, while all you did was march, not destroy anything bar a couple a nitwits breaking into the Capital building, which when the other side did was fine, but made you a traitor even though you didn’t participate in any wanton destruction. And finally, they have labelled you persona non grata on social media for daring to have a political opinion they don’t like.

    IOW, shit on from a great height, ignored, stolen from, ignored again, told to obey unconstitutional edicts, ignored again, and denied a public platform to complain about it.

    And half the population thinks the election you “won” was rigged.

    Think yourself lucky they didn’t all turn up with firearms and piano wire and string the bloody lot of you up – the ones that didn’t get shot first, at any rate.

    And your answer? More of the same – much more. Well, I for one won’t be too surprised to find this devolves into civil war. 1% of 74M is 740k. Three quarters of a million is a significant number, and that’s likely the number of armed nutters you didn’t just ignore, you smashed down for complaining about you ruining their lives and livelyhoods. Oi vey. Maybe next time they’ll burn the building down with you lot inside, and shoot you if you try to escape – wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
    I wouldn’t say you deserve it, but you can’t keep ignoring them.
    If you do, maybe you DO deserve it.

    Stupidity has consequences and ultimate stupidity has ultimate consequences, it might be said. Don’t be ultimately stupid. As some said in the guillotine in France “But I’m on your si…”

  91. Grip says:

    There’s not going to be a civil war. Armed wing nuts fantasise big but couldn’t organise a protracted war in a fit.

    Maybe more RW terrorism, that’s a fair bet. But that will be self defeating and just bring the problem of RW media and RW politicians feeding other in hyperbolic political claims coming into sharper profile than this week has achieved.

    The government and the public need to think how it can be addressed. Not sure how, but yeah, politics being poisoned by false rumour and deliberate misinformation (as is evident here) eventually becomes unworkable.

    The Pro active role of the big social media companies to limit or stop the spread of dangerous disinformation via their platforms is a good first step.

  92. Boambee John says:

    Gripe

    The Pro active role of the big social media companies to limit or stop the spread of dangerous disinformation via their platforms is a good first step towards fascism.

    Fixed for you, since you are too stupid to make the connection.

  93. Grip says:

    Yeah, yeah. Fascism is private companies having policies for their free service and enforcing them by saying “go somewhere else to spread your dangerous misinformation”.

    That’s just like how how Hitler and Mussolini came to power.

  94. Rex Anger says:

    Yeah, yeah. Fascism is private companies having policies for their free service and enforcing them by saying “go somewhere else to spread your dangerous misinformation”.

    There are none so blind as those who refuse to see…

  95. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    Yes, but there is never a 3% discrepancy that remains unexplained months later.

    If they haven’t finished counting them, sure there will be a 3% discrepancy, if not more.

    You can’t use out of date data to prove fraud.

  96. 1735099 says:

    The Pro active role of the big social media companies to limit or stop the spread of dangerous disinformation via their platforms is a good first step.

    It’s a vaccine against the Big Lie virus.
    Back in Goebbels’ day there was no such vaccine.
    Remember how that worked out?

  97. Dot says:

    If they haven’t finished counting them, sure there will be a 3% discrepancy, if not more.

    You can’t use out of date data to prove fraud.

    It’s been two months and they won’t publish the data.

    They have never used this data to reconcile or certify votes. They have different processes for that.

    ???

    What’s the point of any of this?

  98. Rex Anger says:

    It’s a vaccine against the Big Lie virus.

    And what if your lot’s ‘cure’ is actually the totalitarian poison, Bobby Boy?

    But that couldn’t be, surely? You are on the side of all Light and Good, and the only people who ever died were all reactionary pigs who deserved everything they got, right?

    (Great job with the Godwin’s law, by the way…)

  99. Kneel says:

    “The Pro active role of the big social media companies to limit or stop the spread of dangerous disinformation via their platforms is a good first step.”

    Wrong direction, but I tell you what they could do that would be acceptable – add a switch that lets you turn it off (or two app versions, or whatever).
    And/or update section 230 from “otherwise objectionable” to “otherwise illegal”.
    They can’t be sued for carrying content, what do they care?
    If users want filtered content, offer it to them as an option, don’t force your idea of what is acceptable on others.

    Big Tech has much to answer for – they censored the president asking for calm and for protesters to go home, and say it’s his fault for asking them to turn up and because he refused to blame the 99.9% for the acts of the 0.1%.
    Meanwhile, Antifa and BLM are allowed to continue organising riots in Portland and other places on the same platforms,and they aren’t just allowed, they are lauded for it!
    Just one example of the dichotomy between how they react to left vs right.

    Common carriers my hairy white arse, they are editiorialising, pure and simple, while hiding behind the legislation that made them even possible and crowing at others about how responsible they are being doing it. Rude fuckers…

  100. Kneel says:

    “They have never used this data to reconcile or certify votes.”

    Yet the data they do use for certification is strewn with errors – hundreds of thousands of votes changed with no oversight, no explanation and at a level that is statistically similar to winning power ball 100 times in a row picking completely random numbers.
    Unacceptable.
    They need to explain enough of these errors so that the outcome is not in doubt – not arm-wave it away, actually forensicly document each and every case where this happened. Otherwise, it’s not a free and fair election, it’s a circus.
    In ancient Rome, they went from bread and circuses to collapse in a relatively short time – learn from history or watch it repeat (or at least rhyme, as they say). But they won’t – too stupid, or too arrogant, take your pick.

  101. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    What’s the point of any of this?

    The point of this is that you don’t have the data to prove fraud.

    At best you have a question about why the data that would enable you to conclude there was or wasn’t fraud hadn’t been released yet. Without knowing how long it usually takes them to release that data, you have nothing but speculation.

    The fact you felt comfortable concluding fraud without that evidence means your credibility is shot. Even more so than when you claimed 50,000 dead people had voted, cos you looked at a few names.

  102. FelixKruell says:

    Kneel:

    Yet the data they do use for certification is strewn with errors – hundreds of thousands of votes changed with no oversight, no explanation and at a level that is statistically similar to winning power ball 100 times in a row picking completely random numbers.

    Sigh. Evidence required.

  103. Dot says:

    Hundreds of thousands of people looked up names themselves. This is all verifiable. You refuse to look at the data.

    You also think that votes cast are counted before ballots.

    You are either nuts are totally committed to the lie.

    Without knowing how long it usually takes them to release that data, you have nothing but speculation.

    You moron, that proves the dishonesty. The election was over two months ago you knucklehead and they have counted all the “votes”. Back in early December at the absolute latest.

  104. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    Hundreds of thousands of people looked up names themselves. This is all verifiable. You refuse to look at the data.

    Finding a name of someone dead and then finding that same name on voter rolls isn’t verification.

    As we saw when the media investigated. As we saw when the states investigated.

    The election was over two months ago you knucklehead and they have counted all the “votes”. Back in early December at the absolute latest.

    They have counted the votes. Not the number of voters. Different systems.

  105. Dot says:

    Pathetic lies.

    Finding a name of someone dead and then finding that same name on voter rolls isn’t verification.

    Yes, you imbecile, you think CNN “debunked” something in WI by posting a self referential article on their own site.

    They have counted the votes. Not the number of voters. Different systems.

    THAT’S PRECISELY THE PROBLEM, IDIOT. THEY SHOULD RECONCILE, ERGO FRAUD!

  106. Snoopy says:

    FelixKruell
    #3717270, posted on January 9, 2021 at 6:15 pm
    Dot:

    What’s the point of any of this?

    The point of this is that you don’t have the data to prove fraud.

    FelixKruell
    #3717273, posted on January 9, 2021 at 6:16 pm

    Sigh. Evidence required.

    So what is required, proof or evidence? Or are they the same thing in your ‘mind’?

  107. Snoopy says:

    Maybe there’s a good reason why all the data hasn’t been uploaded to the PA SURE system more than two months after election day? What possibly could it be? Festive season holidays?

  108. Dot says:

    Ah, they’re the same thing, “at law”. LOL, what a turkey.

  109. Kneel says:

    “Sigh. Evidence required.”

    Sigh.
    Already supplied at the Epoch Times interview I posted before.
    Their analysts confirmed that this is the data sent to the SoS and officially used – confirmed by SoS office to them. Matches data direct from the Scytl servers and also available from Edison. Exact same data from all three sources – double checked this is true, they say.
    It is publicly available data.
    It is publicly available code (that dissects and analyses the data).
    It is the same data that was sent to the TV networks.
    If you have seen the video cuts where Trump numbers went down, you have seen the worst of it – there are others where it is not so obvious, but it is there in the data at county level, even when hidden at state level.

  110. Boambee John says:

    Grip
    #3717016, posted on January 9, 2021 at 4:05 pm
    Yeah, yeah. Fascism is private companies having policies for their free service and enforcing them by saying “go somewhere else to spread your dangerous misinformation”.

    No, Richard Cranium, fascism is big companies and big government working together to mutually enrich themselves, while preventing unwanted competition arising.

    Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

  111. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    Yes, you imbecile, you think CNN “debunked” something in WI by posting a self referential article on their own site.

    Yes, that’s what the media does. It investigates, then writes these things called “articles”.

    Meanwhile, your evidence of dead people voting is a list on someone else’s website? That you verified how?

    THAT’S PRECISELY THE PROBLEM, IDIOT. THEY SHOULD RECONCILE, ERGO FRAUD!

    Err no, it isn’t. They won’t (and shouldn’t) reconcile until both counts are complete. You really do jump to that fraud conclusion awfully quickly.

  112. FelixKruell says:

    Snoopy:

    So what is required, proof or evidence? Or are they the same thing in your ‘mind’?

    Either will do at this stage. Something. Anything. Just not more YouTube conspiracy videos that have already been debunked.

  113. FelixKruell says:

    Kneel:

    Already supplied at the Epoch Times interview I posted before.

    Indulge me and post it again.

  114. Dot says:

    A broken record is wrong all of the time.

  115. Dot says:

    Err no, it isn’t. They won’t (and shouldn’t) reconcile until both counts are complete. You really do jump to that fraud conclusion awfully quickly.

    It’s been over two months and they certified their vote on 24 November, 2020.

    The polling day was Nov 3 2020 and its 8 January over there.

    Data still not available?

    You’re an utter clown, Felix.

  116. FelixKruell says:

    Dot:

    Data still not available?

    Yep. Question that all you like. But absent up to date information, you’ve got no basis for doing a reconciliation or concluding fraud.

  117. min says:

    Explain the dumps Felix ,the last happened in the Senate election in Georgia .

  118. Kneel says:

    “Indulge me and post it again.”

    Here is testimony to GA legislature – just a clip, but it shows vote switching.
    It’s also considerably shorter than 50 mins.

    https://rumble.com/vccl07-vote-switching-heres-the-smoking-gun-on-georgia-election-fraud.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab

    If you would like the 50 minute Epoch Times interview, which includes who these people are and why they did what they did, you can view it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2mH9X4jQT8

    Could this be a one-off with a reasonable explanation?
    Sure, of course it could be.
    It would be a good idea to chase that down, wouldn’t you say?
    Along with any other such anomalies, right?

    Yet not only has that not been done, plenty of people don’t even want it looked at.
    “It’s a conspiracy theory – shut up!” they say.
    Yet, as noted, this is official election data being examined.

    For me, it’s not so much that it happened – as above, this could be simple human error stuff, and I’m not going to deny that could be the case.
    Rather, my issue is that when this sort of stuff comes to light, it’s in everyone’s interest to find the cause and correct any problems, including, if that should be the case, prosecutions for election fraud.
    But it’s being buried – laughed off as “fringe” crack-pots. It is not – at least, while some certainly is, this is not.
    As I noted, publicly available official data showing things that shouldn’t happen. Needs a thorough investigation, as in:
    * Is this actually what the data shows?
    * If yes, each and every instance needs to be looked at – dissected, rocks turned over, and if required either procedures fixed and/or people charged.

    That would strengthen democracy and increase trust in the election process, as well as ensuring free and fair elections.
    Anyone who opposes such an investigation because the result was what they wanted is a fool – do you think that if this is allowed to be buried, that the losing side won’t ramp up their own attack using the same tactics for next time, that it won’t escalate into tit for tat and result in total farce?

  119. John Brumble says:

    Dot, why are you arguing with Googlery as if he’s interested in an honest discussion?

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