Co-yawn-avirus

• Latest figures – Australian road fatalities, 12 months to November 2020: 1132.
• Latest figures – Australian COVID-19 fatalities, same period (excluding Victoria): 89.

 
Why do Australian governments continue to allow civilians to drive motor vehicles?

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61 Responses to Co-yawn-avirus

  1. duncanm

    Why do Australian governments continue to allow civilians to drive motor vehicles?

    for the love of god, don’t give them ideas.

  2. nb

    ‘Why do Australian governments continue to allow civilians to drive motor vehicles?
    ‘for the love of god, don’t give them ideas.’
    The Greens and China-ALP are already onto it.

  3. Tezza

    Poor comparison: voluntary cf involuntary assumption of risk; rewards cf no rewards; risk (knowable) cf uncertainty (unknowable); and no exclusion of Victoria, cf exclusion of Victoria.

    In short, you’ve damaged a sensible case. As Frédéric Bastiat famously said, “The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skilfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended.”

  4. C.L.

    Thanks for the quote. I have a desk calendar too.

    But no, it’s a very good comparison.

    The states can end the carnage on the roads immediately. Just restrict driving to police, emergency, military and supply personnel.

  5. Megan

    My very argument from way back in March. A real time demonstration of the complete and total insanity of crowds.

  6. stackja

    Qld premier AP now dictatorship.

  7. Megan

    Statistically you have a much higher chance of killing someone on the road – from babies to the aged – than you do of infecting some stranger with a virus that mostly kills the old with complicating medical conditions.

    Yet, up until now, we have been considered capable of assessing that statistical risk and making a decision to get behind the wheel of a 60 to 70 kmh missile. Every single day for most of us. The reality that this ugly fact is not front and centre of our minds when we choose to drive simply adds a layer of protection that lets us turn the key in the ignition.

    As duncanm points out, and various VicPol spokespeoples have demanded a zero road toll, it’s only a matter of time.

  8. Rockdoctor

    Exactly, we’ve lost our ruddy minds. I am forced to reduce the risk of a trip from the Hunter Valley to North Queensland soon of quarantine by being somewhere inconvenient, by driving some 6 days up/back instead of at max a day in airports with transfers. Goat tracks like the Gregory Developmental rd are more risk to my health than this virus. Then I have to go through this Soviet type internal pass system.

    SARS, MERS, Swine Flu ripped through the populations and we are still here. I know I was regularly in Asia at the time of some of these outbreaks. Are we going to do this every few years?

  9. GCRee

    Here’s one question. So in Qld we’ve supposedly have had a UK hyper infected person around suburbs for 5 days (excess now) yet there has been practically nil community transmission despite the multitude of places that this person attended. Does this cause any rational person to question just how infectious is this supposed UK strain and what was the benchmark to assess infection? Was it the knowingly flawed PCR test at high cycle rates?

  10. Bela Bartok

    If it were so dangerous, wouldn’t the people carrying/spreading the disease die too?
    I’d like to see those figures: of the known carriers (who are presumably not in a nursing home) living or dying?
    It’s a farce and a con and gross contempt. There has to be a class action here?

  11. John Dee

    CL:

    Just restrict driving to police, emergency, military and supply personnel.

    This will happen probably this year.
    Expect China to sail a fleet down the east coast of Australia towards the Antarctic.
    It will be an “exercise” in international waters but of course it will be intimidatory.
    Australia has 5 days of fuel.
    We have no navy to speak of.
    Our Air Force has less than 1 pilot per fighter – which has a combat range of around 740 km.
    There will be demands made.
    China will takeover many aspects of Australian life – without firing a shot.
    Would never happen under Trump but Sleepy Joe Biden ?

  12. maree

    Governments must prevent people from driving and force them to die from virus so that the numbers stack up.

  13. Matt

    US road fatalities: 38,000 per year
    US COVID-19 fatalities: 380,000

  14. a happy little debunker

    The states can end the carnage on the roads immediately. Just restrict driving…

    Using the supplied figures we’d save more lives by banning any public walking…
    Lockdowns today, tomorrow & forever!

  15. John Bayley

    In light of the latest totalitarian insanity regarding the lockdown in Brisbane over, apparently one “case” – that is, not an actual “sick” person, but a positive test – which thanks to Comrade Headlesschook comes complete with a $200 fine for not wearing a mask, I thought I’d share this here (hopefully the filter will allow the links through):

    Victims of Lockdown
    Stories of despair, depression, and yes, suicide, submitted by real, actual victims of these criminal policies.

    Face Masks – The Evidence
    A comprehensive listing of studies on this topic, from the Swiss Policy Institute.
    Includes quite a few charts, too, that may help the mentally-challenged trolls like Matt. A vain hope, I know, but still.

    When are the sheeple going to revolt?
    (No need to answer; we all know it will be never.)

  16. Buccaneer

    Now that we have the UK strain can we stop calling it COVID and just call it the China virus?

  17. H B Bear

    If people had not been riding motorcycles for a hundred years do you think there would be any chance that you could do so today?

  18. John Bayley

    So in Qld we’ve supposedly have had a UK hyper infected person around suburbs for 5 days (excess now) yet there has been practically nil community transmission despite the multitude of places that this person attended. Does this cause any rational person to question just how infectious is this supposed UK strain and what was the benchmark to assess infection?

    The ‘hyper-infectious strain” is a myth, created by yet another computer model from you-guessed-it: One of the original architectn of the current madness, Neil Ferguson (just why that bloke is still employed, let alone in such an influential position, given the litany of his past failures, tells you all you need to know about the ConVid-1984 fiasco).

    Here is lengthy article, albeit somewhat technical, which explores the topic in detail.

    Their conclusion (my emphasis):

    Ignoring the fact that the whole low Ct/high viral load idea only stems from ignoring the bi-phasic nature of the positive distribution and cherry-picking the data from the TaqPath calibration curve, you still only get a zero (more likely) to a maximum 10-fold higher implied concentration. “10,000-fold” is scientifically inexcusable, and deliberately alarmist, hyperbole. Then this wholly fallacious idea is fed back into the concept of increased transmissibility… except that this argument is all a house of cards.

  19. duncanm

    John Bayley
    #3717932, posted on January 10, 2021 at 8:47 am

    John – thanks for the link.

    Talk about drawing a long bow with the ’10k x more infectious’ argument.

  20. mundi

    They won’t for much longer.

    Just look at Norway that everyone rants on about with EV’s. The price of vehicles is skyrocketting and basically the equivalent of $50,000AUD for the cheapest car.

    Ownership of a car is out of reach of the majority of the Norway population now. Ownership of cars for those under 25 is almost non existent. Used cars are appreciating in value year on year.

    The average household income to own an off-road 4WD is the equiavelent of over $1.5m AUD.

    That is the future for Australia once ALP/Green alliance gets power.

  21. Ubique

    213 road deaths in Victoria 2020, so the comparison excluding Victoria is 919 road deaths vs 89 Covid-19.

    More relevant perhaps is that excluding Victoria (277 flu deaths in 2017) there were 978 influenza deaths in 2017 vs 89 Covid-19 deaths in 2020.

  22. Ubique

    Just look at Norway that everyone rants on about with EV’s. The price of vehicles is skyrocketting and basically the equivalent of $50,000AUD for the cheapest car.

    What effect on climate, sea levels, average temperatures or the mating habits of wildebeest has Norway’s anti-car and renewable energy policies had? None. Zero. Zip. Nada. And certainly none reported. It has merely reduced the living standards of Norwegians. Same goes for intermittent forms of energy world wide. The biggest scam is governments reporting in bullshit terms of emissions when the objective all the while is to modify the climate.

  23. The Beer whisperer

    Thanks, John B.

    By now everybody should not only be bookmarking such links, but downloading and replicating them.

    Try finding stuff that you didn’t save originally.

    The memory hole is real.

  24. HD

    If anything has to be a focus of future curriculum contents in Australian education it is a better understanding of causality.

    US road fatalities: 38,000 per year
    US COVID-19 fatalities: 380,000

    At the risk of annoying everybody for what has been pointed out so many times- US CDC summary of deaths in the USA for 363 day period, 04/01/20 – 02/01/20:

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

    Table 3 Commodities- “For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.9 additional conditions or causes per death.”

    See Table 2. “Deaths from all causes”- 3,171,913. “All deaths involving COVID-19”- 313,171. Hence less than 10% of all deaths. Relying on those wonderfully accurate PCR tests and/or all that bogeying of death certificates, many without covid tests at all.

    So actual deaths with no other comorbidity in the USA within the 363 day period above = 18,790. What is the bet there were underlying undetected commodities in the vast majority of these cases?

    An average of 2.9 other commodities. Reminds me of my own Dad’s death certificate. Five causes of death listed including heart attacks, kidney failure and septicaemia. He died years back in the middle of winter within 48 hours of second/ third MCIs. What’s the bet we go dig him up and he tests positive for an influenza and/or corona virus? Would that change the fact that the three aforementioned conditions were pre-existing ( as in heart attack 1 and previous gangrene/ amputations) increasing in severity by seven years of gradual decline due to IDDM type 1?

    People who die of COVID were bloody sick and dying in the first place. If they weren’t, such as the rare cases of kids dying in the US, who had some severe congenital autoimmune thing going on, they were essentially just as likely to die from regular flu.

  25. HD

    Damned spellcheck – “comorbidities”.

  26. Tel

    Why do Australian governments continue to allow civilians to drive motor vehicles?

    As soon as they can take away all private transport they will.

    What do you think the while driverless car concept is about? No one would ever buy a driverless car, but at some stage they will take away your licence and it will be that or nothing.

  27. Matt

    Most people die with co-morbidities – what’s your point?

  28. Epicurious

    HD thanks for your effort above, you saved me lots of time but my response would have been less than yours. Well done. Matt’s “statistics” remind me of those perpetrated by so called elites, read herr Ferguson, put to confuse but with inadequate rigour. Never mind 1 or 2 may have believed it.

    Now what we see today is the rapid movement of society from a strong middle class to no middle class, the greatest providers of jobs in all countries. If the sheeple don’t wake up they will be doffing their caps to the new nobility like that Altassian hillbilly that doesn’t know when to shut up. Dying used to be the worst thing that could happen to you but now I’d agree with some that living in that environment is not living, so why bother? Just take one with you when you go.

  29. HD

    “…what’s your point?”

    I suppose there are two. They are in regard to your responses to CAT posts in general.

    Firstly, causal thinking is an aspect of reasoning you in particular need to work on.

    Secondly, persons like yourself cause persons like myself great irritation through third party processes. Citing and repeating data which fails to meet the criteria of information than making generalisations and attempting arguments based on the flawed sample space of data. That confuses people who don’t know any better as they may have heard similar via the media or non-specific urban heresay. Who then annoy me because they heard whatever it was from somebody like yourself.

  30. Yosefu

    As others have said, I think it is a bad take to compare it to accidents. The goal posts for ending are continually being moved and the narrative behind it continues to evolve. They stopped talking about deaths when they weren’t getting enough and not they talk about “cases” which says nothing. I still do not know anyone who has caught it and I wasn’t sick at all last year. This despite being maskless in a high population areas all of last year. Now Pallachook has decided we all need to wear masks and stay home based on what I consider very vague information.

    And I really hate the way they talk to you as if we are all in this together. Like she’s staying home on half-pay or suffering in any way. The Twitterati are made to feel good about sitting in their pyjamas watching Netflix and getting fat on Ubereats as if this is helping. And we are fined for getting sun and exercise without a muzzle.

    On a side note, does anyone with any Polish know if her name is actually pronounced pa-la-shay? I am dubious that is the correct pronunciation and I suspect we have a real life Mrs. Bucket as our Premier.

  31. Ubique

    Note that with all the hyperventilating about Covid-19, and the left’s incandescent rage and hatred about Sweden (90 deaths per 100k, vs UK 120 and New Jersey / New York > 200), there is virtually zero interest about the effect of the pandemic in Africa, especially anywhere but South Africa. This accords with the left having no interest at all about the welfare or the fate of black or brown people, unless they live in a Western country.

    The good news is that Covid-19 deaths in Africa are remarkably low. Why would that be? It’s obvious. Covid-19 is a killer of the old and infirm, and, unlike Europe and North America, Africa is a continent of young people.

  32. MACK

    If you try to post John Bayley’s mask link on Facebook, the censors step in, quoting another “fact-check” link saying masks work like magic. What these amateurs do not understand is that when you have a populace frightened by the television news, as soon as politicians mandate masks, people are even more scared and change their behaviour by staying home, avoiding parties, washing their hands etc, and it is these behavioural changes which reduce transmission, not the masks. I’ll dig out the link.

  33. Struth

    Matt, fuck off with your bullshit, no one is taken in anymore.
    Why bother?
    Fauci, the head medical fuckwit of the USA, claimed 20 to 30 thousand are dying of Covid daily, while the hospitals are empty and the total death count for the year hasn’t climbed up at least a third to half again on total deaths as his well over a million deaths a year from covid claims, puts it.
    You might be a gullible twat, or evil, or both, but the facts prove you to be a liar either way.

  34. covid ate my homework

    More Norwegians suffer from “range anxiety” than Covid anxiety. The fines for flat EV’s are horrendous and the cost of removal very pricey.

    Still though lockdowns will help massage those numbers over time…simples.

  35. rickw

    Australia is the world’s largest open air kindergarten…..

  36. Matt

    Sorry if I cause you grief HD, certainly not my intention. But the facts stand – there are significant excess deaths in the USA (and many countries), and the from/with argument is just nonsense. Most people have some co-mobidities. Sometimes these contribute to cause of death, sometimes they don’t. COVID is the thing that has been contributory to these deaths – if they didn’t contract COVID, they wouldn’t have died. To claim otherwise is simply wrong.

  37. Struth

    Thanks currency lad, I thought we’d moved on from believing any covid figures produced from tyrants.
    This, as we can see, a year later, has people arguing over the validity of figures etc.

    Surely the new strains are a give away to even the most hysterical.

  38. Struth

    Look at what you did currency lad.

  39. Struth

    When you give in to a bit of the bullshit you get confused.
    How do you know those 89 died of the wuflu, currencylad?

  40. Woolfe

    No one is saying anything about the purely miraculous way CCP have handled the virus.

    Basically stopped at around 84k cases.

  41. Drax

    does anyone with any Polish know if her name is actually pronounced pa-la-shay?

    A Polish mate reckons its Ukrainian and pronounced Palachooshk

  42. Simple Simon

    Yosefu
    #3718181, posted on January 10, 2021 at 11:32 am

    On a side note, does anyone with any Polish know if her name is actually pronounced pa-la-shay?

    Palaszczuk is the Polish spelling of a Ukrainian name. Polish orthography is very regular in its relation to pronunciation. The correct pronunciation (using the Polish orthography) is ‘palash-chook’. Anything else you may be told is incorrect.

    The ‘palashay’ pronunciation may have been made up as most people would have a hard time with the spelling, and most English-speakers would have a hard time with the ‘sh-ch’ combination, which is not found in English. It may also have been thought up to impress the gullible with a posh, false French-sounding pronunciation.

  43. C.L.

    The name literally means “Poleshuk”.
    Literally, swamp dweller.

  44. covid ate my homework

    It may also have been thought up to impress the gullible with a posh, false French-sounding pronunciation.

    Good work Simon you got it right in the end.

  45. covid ate my homework

    In Australia it’s taken on a whole new meaning – “Pony girl bushpig”

  46. John Bayley

    On a side note, does anyone with any Polish know if her name is actually pronounced pa-la-shay?

    I don’t speak Polish, but I do speak another Slavic language that is linguistically quite close to it.

    As Simon says above, the correct pronunciation is ‘Palashchook”. Hence my reference to the good lady as ‘Headlesschook’.

    Foreign names tend to inevitably end up being bastardised by English speakers. Hence Mt Kosciuszko becomes known as “CozYasKo” rather than the Polish original, which is much closer to “Koschooshko”.
    Or a South African friend of mine, whose name “Jaco”, pronounced with a soft “Y”, turns into a “Jake”.

  47. John Bayley

    No one is saying anything about the purely miraculous way CCP have handled the virus.

    Or the even better North Korean approach.

    Once they shot all the infected, they had zero cases.

    Being a hermit kingdom, with no travel allowed anywhere, they have nothing to worry about now.

    This is what our politicians are aspiring to achieve also, with the ongoing border closures. The shootings may come later, once morale in the concentration camp has improved sufficiently.

  48. Leo G

    No one is saying anything about the purely miraculous way CCP have handled the virus.
    Basically stopped at around 84k cases.

    There have been recent suggestions that the virus was tailored to match a vaccine. The Wuhan population does appear to have served as a global transmission platform. Wuhan people- who speak an “unworthy” variant of Mandarin- are disdained by the CCP elites.

  49. David Brewer

    Matt: US road fatalities: 38,000 per year
    US COVID-19 fatalities: 380,000

    True, and the COVID total will be quite a bit higher than that in the end. However, average age of death on the roads is 40, and average age of death from COVID is 80. COVID deaths are overwhelmingly of people who are old and sick, whose quality of life is lousy and who would have died anyway in the next year or two. Road death victims are losing decades of life, and society is losing whatever contribution they would have made.

    Not only that, but since COVID deaths are highly concentrated in one section of the population, it is possible to greatly reduce them by focusing on protecting that group. You don’t have to ban everything, indefinitely, to stop a disease that in the end probably can’t be stopped anyway.

  50. David Brewer

    She’s only Palashay because she doesn’t want to sound like an old chook. And it might work, if she’d just stop flapping around.

  51. Matt

    So we just don’t value the lives of older people David?

  52. David Brewer

    So we just don’t value the lives of older people David?

    If we really valued their lives, and valued them as people, we would be doing everything possible to stop them getting the virus, but not shutting down society and ruining their lives anyway by cutting them off from their loved ones, whether they are prepared to take the risk of seeing them or not. Quite a lot of “Covid deaths” have literally been of terminally ill people, and the restrictions imposed have only made their last days more agonising for them and their families.

    One of the problems with this thing is Australia is the facile assumptions being made, which include:

    measures like border closures, lockdowns and masks work. But do they? The evidence for this is not good, and anyway, what does “work” mean? If the virus is going to get around anyway, then “flattening the curve” just drags out the problem, and makes the disruption and suffering last longer.

    measures have no costs, or costs so low that they not worth thinking about in relation to lives saved In fact, the cost of the countermeasures is enormous, and they may even cause more loss of life, and especially more loss of life-years, than they save.

    in the case of Covid, risk can and should be reduced to zero. But why? We don’t try to do this for any other life hazard. If “safety” in this case demands that millions of people are forced to stay at home, wear masks, not see friends, not work, etc., what is the justification for allowing anyone to do anything in the slightest bit dangerous, from surfing and skydiving down to walking in the woods?

    The mismatch between danger and countermeaures is becoming quite bizarre in Australia. It’s now summer, and that means a greatly reduced danger of catching the virus, and of becoming seriously ill if you do catch it. Only about 20 positive tests a day are being registered, there are only 37 people in hospital with it in the whole country, and none are in intensive care. Only 2 people have died from Covid nationally in the last 10 weeks. In these circumstances, no restrictions at all would be the correct policy. If Covid got around a bit faster as a result, that would probably be a net benefit, building up immunity in the hot season when people’s immune system is strongest. Instead the whole population is being bullied and terrorised and imposed upon at a time of no real danger. Crazy!

  53. Dot

    Matt
    #3718092, posted on January 10, 2021 at 10:39 am

    Most people die with co-morbidities – what’s your point?

    Because the vast majority of deaths are not putatively caused by COVID.

    Ergo, the public policy response is wrong headed and far, far overblown; as well as being riddled with inconsistencies and some rather silly rules (masks in cars alone (!)).

    The cost to our liberties and GDP singularly and in toto are not worth the meagre benefits (if any at all) a lockdown and “health mandates” have accrued.

  54. Matt

    Because the vast majority of deaths are not putatively caused by COVID.

    And your evidence for this is what exactly Dot?

  55. Matt

    If we really valued their lives, and valued them as people, we would be doing everything possible to stop them getting the virus, but not shutting down society and ruining their lives anyway by cutting them off from their loved ones, whether they are prepared to take the risk of seeing them or not.

    The million (billion??) dollar question is how do we do that?

  56. Dot

    The fact that the average age of COVID deaths tends to be higher than life expectancy, for one.

  57. Dot

    But, you don’t want evidence; you could have looked up something like that yourself.

    Instead you are prepared to defend the most significant reduction in civil liberties since World War Two and intentional destruction of livelihoods since the heavy handed policing of the pre Eureka goldfields.

    Why though, if you’re wilfully not providing any evidence, let alone the obvious evidence in favour of ending lockdowns and other utterly bizarre “public health orders”?

  58. Dot

    If you were really trying Matt you would not be puzzled by the bleedingly obvious that masks in cars for single occupants is retard level logic (any fines issued for this are Kafkaesque trivialities backed with the sole of the state jackboots stamped onto the face of humanity forever), or that we had a period of zero cases, but the governments we have refused to close the borders (and end the restrictions we face) or run offshore quarantine. They’d rather get their diplomat mates home, bending the rules whilst the little plebes suffer and be obedient subjects.

    Or that the government and chief health officers don’t really know what to do, let alone why.

    Or that the vulnerable can be protected or isolated without destroying society as we know it.

    Your life might be boring and worthless, mine wasn’t and isn’t.

  59. Matt

    So the fact that average age of COVID deaths is higher than life expectancy is proof that COVID didn’t kill them? Sure.

    And if you can find anywhere that I have supported an individual wearing a mask in a car, let me know, because I agree with you that is patently absurd and have never supported such a thing.

  60. Dot

    “Sure…”

    I am helping you.

    Value your own life more.

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