The Trump legacy – don’t shoot the messenger

Some of us here at the Cat have been subject to juvenile abuse because we dared call out Trump as the Emperor with no clothes. That’s water off a duck’s back for me, if your intellectual capacity to argue is limited to writing profanities and you’re unable to string together a cogent argument.

Like it or not, Trump lost the election, and his behaviour since November has been increasingly appalling as he defiled his office, culminating in the riot on 6 January.

It didn’t have to be that way. Trump did accomplish a number of things along the way – the Iranian deal, the withdrawal from the Paris climate accord, tax simplification, re-balancing the courts etc.

Yet his rusted on supporters cannot understand why so many voters hardened their views against Trump to the point that he was turfed out of office.

If Trump was so good – as his advocates claim – he should have built upon his support base and attracted new voters. If he was so good, he had four years to win in a landslide.

But he didn’t. He couldn’t, because his character is not compatible with being a great US President. Instead he alienated so many people, motivating them to turn out in vast numbers on election day.

He has trashed his legacy. He has given the US leftist government which will now unwind the positive measures that happened under his administration.

He has no legacy, except violence, separatism and anger. Unless you call the leftward swing in US politics a legacy – I certainly don’t.

So please conspiracy theorists, don’t go on about the deep state and the swamp and 5G causing brain meltdown. Trump had the power of the presidency for four years and squandered it. He did not deserve to be president because he did not act presidential. He had an opportunity to make long-term improvements to the US economy and governance and failed to make them stick. Because he did not bring the people along with him. Shame on Trump and shame on the boosters that have now bequeathed the world a shambles of a Republican party and a resurgent Democratic party.

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93 Responses to The Trump legacy – don’t shoot the messenger

  1. Nick

    ‘Some of us here at the Cat’? Just say it’s you.

  2. Perfidious Albino

    FOAD Lucy. As usual, your ‘analysis’ is shallow, self-serving and gloatful.

  3. min

    He could have been JC walking on water and they would still not have accepted him trying to clean up the swamp . He has been given the same treatment as Hitler gave the Jewish people, poisoning with propaganda and violence many of the public , just like what is occurring now. Other democratic countries went along with what was happening, until they finally woke up . Maybe China becoming more aggressive will finally send off the alarm bells.

  4. one old bruce

    Sorry, are you an American? Are you posting from thje USA? Otherwise, how do you know all this, and why should anyone listen to you?

    If you are actually an Austraiian like most of us,then I expect you to comment from an Australian perspective and spare us your West Wing fantasies.

  5. Mother Lode

    don’t shoot the messenger

    This. Is. Sparta!

  6. Anne

    Has anybody ever considered that this Lucius fellow might be Sinc’s alter ego?

    Lucius? Really. 🙄

  7. Penguinite

    Don’t shoot the messenger? But shutting Trump-up is okay?

  8. Dot

    Some of us here at the Cat have been subject to juvenile abuse because we dared call out Trump as the Emperor with no clothes. That’s water off a duck’s back for me, if your intellectual capacity to argue is limited to writing profanities and you’re unable to string together a cogent argument.

    You are a disgusting hypocrite.

    You don’t have a cogent argument (ONE good point is not an argument in itself) and you ran to personal insult and lies very quickly.

    You deserve all of the opprobrium you receive.

    Trump had the power of the presidency for four years and squandered it.

    HOLD UP, BUY A LOTTO TICKET, LUCY IS RIGHT FOR ONCE.

    He did not deserve to be president because he did not act presidential.

    coughing fit intensifies

    Compilation of Vice President Joe Biden touching girls inappropriately live on CSPAN. Imagine what he does off camera.

    Anybody defending Biden for inappropriately touching kids in any of these videos where he is , you are a piece of shit that’s needs your brain checked. Any old sick fucks who prey on children’s fears and do it for the sake of getting away with it on camera should burn in hell. Fuck you brainwashed idiots.

  9. John Dee

    It is difficult to argue (debate?) with someone who ignores the evidence.
    Even if both people are courteous and intelligent.
    It is impossible to argue with a retard.
    The simple reason for that is because there has to be some base for the differing opinions to diverge from.
    The retard can not rise much – if at all – from zero.
    The intelligent person can not drop to the threshold of idiocy.
    So….
    LQC…you are a fucking retard.
    Damn…there is such a finality stamped (sometimes) when using the f word.
    And it gets a recognition from both ends of the spectrum….as you have proven.
    It runs a close second to Q.E.D. for a closeout.
    Doncha think?

  10. Bruce of Newcastle

    Go away LQC. Lies are not a message, they’re just lies.

  11. Yosefu

    Trump got widespread support because he was the first politician in a long time to appeal to the people. You can debate how effective he was (and I have a lot of problems with things he did and didn’t do), but he was a lot more effective than any president we’ve seen for 30 years.

    Conservatives have been promised change for years and things have only gotten WAY worse. They couldn’t even conserve the ladies’ room from mentally ill lunatics! All that you could have been sure of with an establishment Republican was continued foreign entanglements, continued moral degeneracy and some tax cut that would immediately be made redundant by new spending in whatever deal they made with the Dems to get it.

    This also ignores how hampered Trump was from the beginning. There are plenty of non-conspiracy reports of officials in government openly defying him and even bragging about it. He also got stonewalled by congress and the courts constantly for his entire term.

    Bloat and filth was all we could (and it seems now can) look forward to with an establishment Republican. Trump was the first shot at something different in a long time and even with hindsight – was totally worth it.

    The storming of the Capitol Building was a legitimate action by disenfranchised patriots and totally justified.

  12. Rex Anger

    Trump had the power of the presidency for four years and squandered it. He did not deserve to be president because he did not act presidential. He had an opportunity to make long-term improvements to the US economy and governance and failed to make them stick.

    So 75+ million counted voters, the historically lowest hispanic and black unemployment figures in recorded history, a surging economy, massed industrial revival and the massive, rolling demonstrations of support for the Orangutan Bastard in the last 4 years mean nothing cos you and the Swampies don’t like him, Lucy?

    Hopefully when the leftist Orcs your fellow travellers have unleashed get around to purging you and your fellow ‘Conservatives,’ they don’t get any blood spatters on your bow tie…

  13. Vicki

    Lucius, like most Trump critics, you miss the essential point about Trump & his Presidency.

    Yes – in so many ways, Trump was not presidential. But it took an outlier like Trump to tackle the entrenched “prog” political & public servant class that was choking all semblance of empiricism, enterprise and service to voters in Washington.

    Maybe it was always going to end in tears. But, by God, Trump returned the focus of government, even partially, to the people who elected him.

    Those b—tards will try now to take it all back. But I doubt if the over 70 million who voted for Trump will stand for it without a fight.

    It is a tragedy. But, in America, it was forever thus.

    PS Just watched the 3 Part series on Foxtel on Ulysses S Grant. Sensational!

  14. Rex Anger

    So please conspiracy theorists, don’t go on about the deep state and the swamp and 5G causing brain meltdown

    Deep State is very real and quite powerful. You have seen this. And applauded.

    The 5G schtick is not merely wrong, but mean-spirited and dishonest.

    That was a trollshit worthy only of that fool and stooge Grigory.

    Are you just another of his socks? Your egotism and arrogance certainly matches…

  15. Boxcar

    What’s weird about Conspiracy theorists is that they all have actual identities, can be targeted and denigrated by anonymous experts and now “top” anonymous experts, who are quoted by endless governments and media.

    Conspiracy theorists are no different to real scientists.
    Read up on Galileo Galilei, none of the advancement of mankind has come from conformity.
    His, not their, problem was that Galileo was a outlier, and we can only thank god that people like him come along.

    If you believe in the safety of the herd, the goodness of man, you have some learning to do.

    If you believe the analysis of a single voting machine’s output would have put and end to Trump’s conspiracy theory, why wasn’t it done?

    Do you believe Trump won’t be pursued to his grave? They are afraid of him and know what will happen if he runs again.
    The man was a leader in the true sense, and attacked relentlessly by a pack of wolves. Feel free to dispute this, but be assured ther cowardly criminal charges and lawsuits will run forever.

    Finally, take comfort that if you had been a German citizen 80 years ago, you wouldn’t have known where the trains were going either.

  16. Tintarella di Luna

    More arrant pap from LQC

  17. Phill

    Et habuit duas esse mentulas et sicut pueri. Et facti sunt non ludens cum illo Ridiculum est.

  18. Anne

    don’t shoot the messenger 💥🔫

    NADT

  19. Daily llama

    Doncha love it?
    Lucius points out the juvenile abuse, and the first post calls him a dickhead! That’s maturity for you. I rarely agree with Steve Kate’s- I find the hypocrisy of being paid by me whilst he bemoans almost anything any government does quite sickening (except for Trump of course, whom he seems to idolise)
    But I’ve thought for months that the Reichstag fire analogy in fact is more apt applied to the stolen election fantasy. Trump sowed the seed for 6 months, then when the election was conducted exactly as it was going to be, with the mail votes being counted last, his goons tried to make pieces fit the jigsaw. I’m not going to list yet again all the people, many of the republicans, who say it’s baloney. You’ll believe what you want.
    But the stolen election fraud has obviously convinced enough simpletons to conclude, just like in Germany in the 1930s, to surrender their freedoms. Just like the 30s, it’s the communists vs the far right.
    I found this a while ago, written quite some years ago, can’t remember who wrote it but it’s an accurate prophecy

    “At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for—someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots. A scenario like that of Sinclair Lewis’ novel It Can’t Happen Here may then be played out. For once such a strongman takes office, nobody can predict what will happen. In 1932, most of the predictions made about what would happen if Hindenburg named Hitler chancellor were wildly overoptimistic.
    One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past forty years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. The words ‘nigger’ and ‘kike’ will once again be heard in the workplace. All the sadism which the academic Left has tried to make unacceptable to its students will come flooding back. All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet.

  20. stackja

    The messenger shouldn’t carry false information. Likely to shot as a foreign agent.

  21. Bruce

    Nil Illegitemii carborundum!

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  23. incoherent rambler

    Go away.
    If the last thread didn’t convince you, this one might.

    Instead find some Age “journalists” to talk to.

  24. Tintarella di Luna

    Et habuit duas esse mentulas

    Indeed the silliness is a dead give-away.

  25. pbw

    if your intellectual capacity to argue is limited

    You’re still posting, Lucille. That’s OK, because you’re going to rebuild the GOP to win in 2024, by purging the last vestiges of Trump, and from your patrician heights spitting in the faces of all those plebians that Trump brought with him.

    Funny thing is, I’ve earlier today watched Tucker Carlson (someone else of limited intellectual ability) describing you, and lo and behold, you post here and conform to type.

    You’re precious. I love Lucy.

  26. Karabar

    Trump DID win in a landslide, based on teh ballots cast. It is the vote COUNTING at fault, and a dog with one eye could see that.

  27. Tintarella di Luna

    Trump DID win in a landslide, based on teh ballots cast. It is the vote COUNTING at fault, and a dog with one eye could see that.

    As Stalin said: …

    what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how.

    He also said:

    The State is an instrument in the hands of the ruling class, used to break the resistance of the adversaries of that class.

    and lo we have the Demonrats as the ruling class.

  28. pbw

    No link to Tucker! It’s my limited intellectual capacity again.

  29. Viva

    We can read the types of comment this person dishes up practically everywhere you look. Hardly surprising since those are the views of the dominant culture. Being supportive of Trump has always been a counter cultural position.

    Graham Richardson got one thing right when he opined that “the mob will always work you out”. Well the so-called mob worked out this guy genuinely liked them, cared about them and would fight for them. Lacking the snobbery that underlies much of the free character assessments Trump receives, ordinary people were able to see beyond the colour and movement of a bombastic personality to what really matters: authenticity, loyalty, resilience, sincerity, strength, common sense, practical competence.

    But you stick with your notions of what constitutes presidential greatness LQC. Nobel laureate Barack Obama probably fits the bill since he has the imprimatur of all those who revile President Trump.

  30. mh

    I’m thinking the Big Tech crackdown on freedom of speech is such a big issue that a huge rally against their totalitarian actions should held on Jan 20.

  31. David

    That’s water off a duck’s back for me

    Then why do you keep re-stating the same opinions? Is there something new here we have missed?

    How would you assess the moral character of Bill Clinton, Kevin Rudd, Malcolm Turnbull and Joe Biden? Fit to hold the most senior position in the national government? Do you see a trend here?

    If you’re going to mount a coherent argument on character, I would have thought you need to consider the bigger picture in regards to modern political leadership.

  32. mh

    Quinny, you don’t come here for the hunting.

  33. Lee

    Self-serving tripe by a hypocrite.

  34. Dickhead!

    This response – the first one on this thread – sums up the quality of discussion which emerges when anybody here departs from the orthodoxy.
    It illustrates pretty well the powerful influence of on-line disinformation, a cancer that has been eating away at our public discourse in this country recently.
    It has created a subculture of individuals who live an alternative reality, inspired by an online fringe which has created enormous social risks.
    When this fringe is exploited by political leaders totally lacking any moral compass, the outcome is what we saw last Wednesday.
    It’s pretty dangerous.
    Hopefully, the warning signs have been recognised.

  35. mh

    Quinny, you don’t come here for the hunting.

    Nor does Bob.

  36. Dot

    1735099
    #3717230, posted on January 9, 2021 at 5:59 pm

    Dickhead!

    This response – the first one on this thread – sums up the quality of discussion which emerges when anybody here departs from the orthodoxy.

    Yes old comrade, he also made up some shit about 5G towers, what a nasty little c*nt.

    Maybe you and Lucy can tell us about da chemtrails too.

  37. authenticity – An individual who has as many positions on any given issues as he has had hot dinners.
    loyalty – An individual who fires anyone who disagrees with him. He has gone through a record number of appointees, and insults them publicly once he has no more use for them.
    resilience – An individual whose insecurities are stark, and who is unable to deal with the realities of political life. An individual who has thrown the longest tantrum in the history of the presidency.
    sincerity – The only time this was evident was in a conversation with Billy Bush.
    strength – An individual who incites his followers to march on the Capitol and then heads in the opposite direction.
    common sense – An individual who tells his supporters to avoid mail-in voting, advice which may have cost him vital votes in some states.
    practical competence – An individual who has numerous business failures on his CV.

  38. Scott Osmond

    The thing that continues to amuse me about Luci and his type is how much value they put in being polite and nice to those who are anything but. He’d be the kind of person in a fight apologising for hitting his opponent’s fist with his face. When he and his mates are rounded up they will be congratulating each other on how collegiate they were. They shoot right in the hope that by being tame they can get scraps from the left’s table. Sadly for them they will be among the first delt with as they have proven how unreliable they are. Noone likes a traitor even those who benefit from them.

  39. Lee

    Unless you call the leftward swing in US politics a legacy – I certainly don’t.

    So now you’re blaming him for what his enemies do?
    Pathetic!
    You’re the sort of suppliant “conservative” who’d clearly rather bend the knee, than fight back against the left.
    You’re not on my side.

  40. Mak Siccar

    LQC has been smoking that funny stuff again!

  41. Boambee John

    Surely LQC can only be the Doonmlord trolling his own blog?

  42. Exit Stage Right

    Shitdribbulus Maximus calling Cats juvenile.
    How superior of you, your Lordship.
    Once a wanker, always a wanker.
    Elitist prick.

  43. Dot

    Mak Siccar
    #3717318, posted on January 9, 2021 at 6:36 pm

    LQC has been smoking that funny stuff again!

    It’s a heady mixture of meth, crack and angel dust.

  44. Rex Anger

    authenticity – An individual who has as many positions on any given issues as he has had hot dinners.
    loyalty – An individual who fires anyone who disagrees with him. He has gone through a record number of appointees, and insults them publicly once he has no more use for them.
    resilience – An individual whose insecurities are stark, and who is unable to deal with the realities of political life. An individual who has thrown the longest tantrum in the history of the presidency.
    sincerity – The only time this was evident was in a conversation with Billy Bush.
    strength – An individual who incites his followers to march on the Capitol and then heads in the opposite direction.
    common sense – An individual who tells his supporters to avoid mail-in voting, advice which may have cost him vital votes in some states.
    practical competence – An individual who has numerous business failures on his CV.

    A beautiful summary of your posting history and presence onnthis scrofulous bog, Bobby boy.

    Now, what were you trying to smear POTUS with, again?

  45. candy

    LCQ
    You derided Trump supporters in your other column very unpleasantly.

    It’s like with MAGA. Hillary Clinton called them deplorables, some kind of inferior being. You know, it upsets folk.

  46. Exit Stage Right

    Lucy,

    It’s pretty obvious that you don’t have much support for your views on this blog apart from the Toowoomba retard and possibly Sinc who lets you post crap and likes the clicks you attract with your left wing lies that stir up the normies on this blog.
    Your posts lack any sort of insight into the political situation in the US, but you have the temerity to call Catallaxy bloggers juvenile if we oppose the shit that you produce from time to time.
    You really are a pretentious twit who pretends to be above the rest of us who inhabit this blog.
    If you can’t see that the US election was full of fraud and Democrat skullduggery, I feel sorry for you.
    Specsavers might help..

  47. chrism

    pbw
    #3717170, posted on January 9, 2021 at 5:27 pm
    if your intellectual capacity to argue is limited

    hand-on-it quote of the day awarded to pbw

    implication is that there are some in the ‘unlimited class’ & probably been wanking is one such …

    logical fail : unlimited capacity ? is an element of the set Aleph 0 ? er, well …

    would tend to suggest pbw is in fact at the lower end of the {‘capacity to argue’ (finite)} set

  48. chrism

    mea cupla maxima

    pbw was criticising the quote …

    problem of going off half cocked

  49. bruce

    Gee whiz what a shocker.
    You can’t just cut and paste from The Oz and ABC and than pretend to post a serious critique
    on the Trump years and election.
    Or did somebody put this together for you and you got your papers mixed up.

  50. bruce

    And you can’t shoot the messenger when he’s already shot himself..

  51. Gilas

    if your intellectual capacity to argue is limited to writing profanities and you’re unable to string together a cogent argument.

    Says the vile cretin who can’t make a cogent argument distinguishing four years of honest effort against massive friction and pushback, versus the concerted effort of communists, socialists and fascists in media, social media, big tech, academia and most of the political establishment successfully laying the ground work for totalitarian rule and the violence which will follow.

    DJT failed in not vanquishing his enemies in 2017-18, the swamp was too deep and DJT’s resolve too weak.

    But to blame him for the destruction of the US Republic takes a special kind of evil stupidity and dissembling that even Goebbels never achieved.

    You, sir, are a putrid fuckwit beyond human belief.
    Please FOAD, and don’t use the handle of one of the noblest Romans ever. You’re not worthy of licking his a.se!

  52. Daily llama

    I with I was tech savvy, I’d set up an anti Cats Cat site….although I guess all it would do is write everyone’s gripes in reverse order.
    But as I said elsewhere- what’s the vibe around the place?
    Will the West survive 2021?
    What about us, will the Cats save the world?
    I doubt it- whoever used the expression’herding cats’ ain’t never looked at a Cats comments column!
    Should Australia get its own space laser beams and big fuck’n bombs and shit like that?

  53. a happy little debunker

    and his behaviour since November has been increasingly appalling…

    Ok doke – list those ‘behaviours’ so that we can see what you seem to see.

    I’ll even try and help,
    1. warned of late night ballot dumps at 11.30pm election night, only to see massive ballot dumps between 3and 6 hours later in select states where they sent the poll watchers home because they’d stopped counting
    2. Tried to pursue his claims via courts that refused to hear his claims (both before and after election day) – just yesterday you suggested that this was somehow akin to trying to thwart the ‘will of the people’ and thereby unconstitutional – despite the constitution providing such relief & the Presidential election being all about ‘the will of the state legislatures’.
    3. Observed Hillary’s advice to not concede under any circumstance (albeit that advice was offered to Biden).
    4. called on rally attendees to venture forth to the capitol building to express their displeasure (over the vote certification) at the assigned rally points
    5. Called on misbehaving rally-goers to head home and uphold their activity within the bounds of law and order (that one got him banned from social media for ‘inciting violence’).

    Maybe you don’t like that he has yet to condemn these protestors – where he has condemned their behaviour.
    However in condemning that behaviour he has already done far more than either Obama or Hillary in 2016 whilst Democrats in DC, NYC & Chicago rioted for 5 straight days in November 2016 damaging private property and interfering with livelihoods

    One thing, please – if you are going to try and attribute anything make sure it is the behaviours by Trump and not by any other actors with potentially vested interests…
    Happy lurking…

  54. Exit Stage Right

    Daily Llama,

    Seek medical help urgently.

  55. Mr Johnson

    “He did not deserve to be president because he did not act presidential” – of course, the absolute coarseness of the man! Please bring back the smooth and urbane Mitt Romneys and Malcolm Turnbulls to lead our conservative parties (*gag*).

  56. Daily llama

    Exit- before or after I order the lasers?

  57. Squirrel

    Had the American public seen somewhat more of the Donald Trump who delivered three superb State of the Nation addresses, and somewhat less of the late-night tweeter who too often and too quickly turned on his own appointees, the 2020 presidential election (and, significantly, the 2018 mid-terms) would have been much more about his achievements and much less about his personality – and he would now be putting the finishing touches on his second inaugural speech.

    Trump, in that sense, could have been a second Reagan, as many who wished him well, or at least approached his Presidency with a reasonably open mind, hoped for – the elites still would have sneered and snickered and tried to undermine, but a clear majority of the public would have grown to admire and be proud of their President.

  58. new guy

    Go soak your head, leftard.

  59. Exit Stage Right

    Spot on Mr Johnston.
    It’s all about how we present,
    Malcolm had so much potential. Pity he was such a prick of a bloke & a useless PM and the people sussed him out.
    Biden has already been sussed out, even by his own side. Disaster incoming.

  60. Anne

    Shitdribbulus Maximus…

    That one made me roar with laughter. 😂😂😂

    Thank you ESR.

  61. Albatross

    He has no legacy, except violence, separatism and anger. Unless you call the leftward swing in US politics a legacy – I certainly don’t.

    LOOOL! I love this take! “Don’t upset the left or they’ll hurt us”. Weak. Feeble.

    LIQ, tell us about Nick Carter’s musk. What does his chair smell like big guy?

  62. Albatross

    Sinc, serious question: you post on Twitter. Why?

  63. Albatross

    Mr Johnson
    #3717516, posted on January 9, 2021 at 8:05 pm
    “He did not deserve to be president because he did not act presidential” – of course, the absolute coarseness of the man! Please bring back the smooth and urbane Mitt Romneys and Malcolm Turnbulls to lead our conservative parties (*gag*).

    Even Romney was too coarse for precious Lucy. She supported Obama over Romney in 2012. Here’s the post:

    I have grave misgivings about a Romney presidency. While I am in full agreement with Steve Kates and most Catallaxy readers about the appalling Obama presidency, I fear that Romney is the most protectionist Republican candidate in history. Perhaps even the most protectionist presidential candidate in history. His pronouncements have been exclusively about an insular US, fear of China, and “protecting jobs”. Where is the vision for an open economy? In truth Romney is a died in the wool mercantalist.

    A Romney administration promises cuts in Government spending – which I applaud – but probably a less efficient tax system. Most fundamentally, a Romney administration would put up the shutters and move to a ‘self sufficient’ United States. That would be a disaster for the US and a disaster for the world.

    Anyone who has read my musings will recognise a pretty conservative and right-wing leaning. But I have a lexicographical preference for free trade and a free market.

    I fear that Romney will make the US market less free than he would inherit from Obama. Perhaps the BBC poll that Steve cites [that only 6% of Australians would vote for Romney] is right for the wrong reasons: supporting Obama because he is less bad than the alternative?

    From Steve’s perspective it is probably fortunate I don’t get to vote. But can anyone – please – give me one reason to vote for Romney rather than against Obama? In my recent post I wrote

    Obama does not deserve a second term

    That is true, but does Romney deserve a first term? I suspect not.

    If I were voting, it would be for a write-in candidate. But it doesn’t really matter, as I still think Obama will win with around 332 electoral votes against Romney’s 206. When the GOP chose Romney, they voted for an Obama victory.

  64. Dot

    She supported Obama over Romney in 2012

    Jesus christ man.

    Jesus christ.

  65. Albatross

    Daily llama
    #3717461, posted on January 9, 2021 at 7:42 pm
    I with I was tech savvy, I’d set up an anti Cats Cat site

    Do it you big queen. Better yet, depart hence and go post on Bob’s blog. At its peak he was getting up to 5 posters on a single thread, and 2 of them weren’t even his socks.

  66. Albatross

    Squirrel
    #3717530, posted on January 9, 2021 at 8:16 pm
    Had the American public seen somewhat more of the Donald Trump who delivered three superb State of the Nation addresses, and somewhat less of the late-night tweeter who too often and too quickly turned on his own appointees, the 2020 presidential election (and, significantly, the 2018 mid-terms) would have been much more about his achievements and much less about his personality – and he would now be putting the finishing touches on his second inaugural speech.

    Trump, in that sense, could have been a second Reagan, as many who wished him well, or at least approached his Presidency with a reasonably open mind, hoped for – the elites still would have sneered and snickered and tried to undermine, but a clear majority of the public would have grown to admire and be proud of their President.

    I have to address this. Don’t take it personal. There are many posters who argue: “if Trump had done it like this, then he would have prevailed”. Heather Macdonald’s piece today in City Journal is a perfect example.

    No.

    America’s political system, from big corporate to big state, is corrupt, up and down. Trump failed precisely because, behaving like a democrat (small “d”), he threatened their base of power. What you are seeing is them exercising their power, in full measure, against a weakened enemy.

    The Brothers Gracchi met an igonomious end because they threatened the established order. The Senators, the Equestrians, e.t.c.

    Zuckerberg spent a half-billion dollars throwing the election for Biden. Think on that. The next man like Trump, if he comes along, won’t bother trying for the Presidency.

  67. Albatross

    Exit Stage Right
    #3717536, posted on January 9, 2021 at 8:21 pm
    Spot on Mr Johnston.
    It’s all about how we present,
    Malcolm had so much potential.

    Sinc, using sock-puppets on your own blog is beneath you.

  68. Leo G

    Like it or not, Trump lost the election, and his behaviour since November has been increasingly appalling … culminating in the riot on 6 January.

    Is that your own best effort to “string together a cogent argument”- an argument resting on the cogency of a claim that President Trump rioted?

  69. John Comnenus

    Unlike LQC, I remember that “the resistance” wanted to destroy Trump before he took office and did anything. But hey, he wasn’t Presidential enough. If only he was “Presidential” the Dems would not have hated him. I don’t know what drugs you have to be on to realise that they hate America and anyone who loves America. He could have been the Dalai Lhama and they would have criticised his dress sense. There is nothing Trump could do to be acceptable to the elites when he was operating in the interests of the American working and lower middle class.

  70. Beavis

    You dummies – this is clearly – as Boambee John said – Sinc just having a laugh

  71. Texas Jack

    John Comnenus
    #3717637, posted on January 9, 2021 at 9:59 pm
    Unlike LQC, I remember that “the resistance” wanted to destroy Trump before he took office and did anything. But hey, he wasn’t Presidential enough. If only he was “Presidential” the Dems would not have hated him. I don’t know what drugs you have to be on to realise that they hate America and anyone who loves America. He could have been the Dalai Lhama and they would have criticised his dress sense. There is nothing Trump could do to be acceptable to the elites when he was operating in the interests of the American working and lower middle class.

    Yes, spot on, John Commenus.

    WAPO called for his impeachment the day he was sworn in.
    Bloomberg and the NYT were openly scathing from the moment he announced he was running.

    Despite all this, Trump had the balls to shine a great big light on the DNC and establishment elites, most of the cosseted US and global institutions, all the world’s press, Silicon Valley, NATO and China – and did so while a bunch of RINOs worked to undermine him. Personally, I hope Pelosi & Co try to impeach him again. It will only strengthen the eventual sense that Trump was targeted relentlessly for the simple fact of presenting as “unpresidential.”

  72. Texas Jack

    Wanting to apportion blame for a seething mass of Trump supporters entering the Capitol? Start with those who concocted the idea of funding the Steele Dossier and work your way from there.

  73. Vicki

    the election was conducted exactly as it was going to be, with the mail votes being counted last

    Look, like many others, I really considered the possibility that those postal votes (as we call them), having been promoted by the Dems prior to the election, would be predominantly for Biden. This was why there was such a furore about disappearing mailboxes etc etc.

    However, the staggering numbers supposedly for Biden had respected statisticians scratching their heads. Add the evidence regarding the fallibility of the Dominion machines, the resumption of counting when scrutineers went home or were banned from the rooms etc etc is all too much to assume a legitimate win.

    At the very least, there should have been a complete examination of these issues even if to just satisfy half of the American voting public who voted for Trump!

    But not only are the idiot Dems refusing to do that, they are determined to impeach him! They are stark, raving mad & will probably invoke a terrifying civil war in the long term. Sad, sad, sad.

  74. johnjjj

    Watching from this side of the pond and traveling occasionally to the US, it seemed to me that he and his followers were far too naive. They believed their own words. Trump and co should have read more Lenin, not the New Testament (at least consulted the NSW Labor right).

  75. Shane

    Trump can stand accused of being his own worst enemy at times, but while he may have fallen short of draining the swamp, he was successful in forcing the bottom feeders to the surface. We are now very aware of those charlatans who can never be trusted, both Democrat and Republican.
    The Republican politicians who default to appeasing Democrat demands are surely in peril? To have them replaced with individuals who are proven conservatives must be the priority.
    Finally, the behaviour of those inside “the House” this week was eerily similar to that of the Democrats over the past 12 months. To be compared to the modern Democrats…..surely there can be no greater insult?

  76. min

    Someone said that to be able to see the big picture one has to be able to put the pieces of the jigsaw together. Mostly we only see bits and pieces and if the pieces are not put together correctly you cannot see the big picture. Unlike doing a jigsaw you know the piece does not fit .
    Even if , through the media, social or otherwise we get pieces of information, IMO , most do not have the ability to put it together . Lack of comprehension , selective memory, reading but not remembering some of the facts is what I have noticed in many very bright people in discussions on Current Affairs . That is why I ask for the information to back up the opinion or a “where did you discover that “? Then again it also depends on how observant one is , life experiences and the ability to assess fact from fiction . Majority grow up just accepting what they have been told , rebelling if they don’t like it , often not for a a rational reason . However I have had years of listening to people’s problems and helping them cope ,even after retirement I am still called on to help but thank goodness for the professional training I undertook , up skilling every year
    So I can see where he was coming from to talk about the big picture. This is lacking in most public servants, politicians , and of course the ordinary Barry Battler just trying to survive

  77. David

    Libertarianism. The religion of choice of middle aged white men.

  78. John A

    Trump had the power of the presidency for four years and squandered it. He did not deserve to be president because he did not act presidential. He had an opportunity to make long-term improvements to the US economy and governance and failed to make them stick.

    LQC, your analysis is deficient in this regard: you still hold to a faulty theory of government as the wielding of power over people for self-interested motives.

    Western democratic government whether Constitutional Monarchy, as in Australia/NZ and other Commonwealth countries, or Constitutional republicanism, as in the USA, sees government as serving the populace by restraining wrong and enabling/encouraging right.

    To the extent that governments depart from that ideal (yes, an aspiration, never fully realized) in order to “get their hands on the economic levers of the country” (a la Keating’s infamous dictum) they exercise power amiss and lead in the long term to totalitarianism. Along the way, the process almost inevitably results in a deepening of the swamp.

  79. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lacking the snobbery that underlies much of the free character assessments Trump receives, ordinary people were able to see beyond the colour and movement of a bombastic personality to what really matters: authenticity, loyalty, resilience, sincerity, strength, common sense, practical competence.

    Not very Roman of you to miss all that, Lucius the fifth of Cincinnati.

  80. David

    Lucius, given the crackpot responses you have got here, you are likely expressing your views in the wrong place. Trump has trashed any legacy he might have had.

  81. Bob

    Why would you give space to the wilfully ignorant fool who wrote this article and its ugly tapestry of lies?
    How to lose followers. 101.

  82. one old bruce

    Idealists indulge their fantasies and cosplay. The US govt has been a tragic joke for decades, what is their legacy? One bungle after another, concealing rabid corruption. Read these observations from people who actually live and work under the shadow of The Capitol, “It’s a citadel of crap, and the lights went out long ago”:
    https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=46817

    Give me ‘reality based’ commentary over idealist fantasies please. Australia needs to unhitch itself from this Titanic and look objectively at our precarious place in the world.

  83. John of Mel

    “He did not deserve to be president because he did not act presidential” – of course, the absolute coarseness of the man! Please bring back the smooth and urbane Mitt Romneys and Malcolm Turnbulls to lead our conservative parties (*gag*).

    LQC is the kind of a standard normie who would have voted for a war-hero with medals, respectful of women and who drank only occasional beer (you know who I mean), instead of men like Churchill or FDR based on their habits and “character”.

  84. 1735099

    Australia needs to unhitch itself from this Titanic

    Couldn’t agree more, but you’re about 50 years too late.
    We could have avoided the Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan debacles, and saved a lot of blood and treasure.

  85. Dot

    One old Bruce

    I am an idealist to boot and I think Lucy is a pettifogging real politik small minded fool and Quisling.

    Idealism is what we need and by the barrelful.

  86. Dot

    He has no legacy, except violence, separatism and anger. Unless you call the leftward swing in US politics a legacy – I certainly don’t.

    Jesus Christ, fuck off you lying imbecile.

    Name a war he started.

    GO!!!

    Instructively, you care little for Clapper’s call to PUT A BULLET IN TRUMP’S head.

    You LOVE violence and lie that you find it abhorrent.

  87. John of Mel

    We could have avoided the Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan debacles, and saved a lot of blood and treasure.

    The lefties’ inconsistency is truly incredible.
    They complain that the US makes us fight its stupid wars, then comes the guy who, for the first time in decades, hasn’t started a war and ended a few conflicts, and what do they do? They are ready to burn him alive.

  88. 1735099

    The lefties’ inconsistency is truly incredible

    This issue has nothing to do with Left and Right.
    It has to do with strategic and economic independence, not politics.
    Couching the discussion in those terms is what created the problem in the first place.
    It is cultural, and our country is very different from the US in that respect.
    I saw the worst aspects of American culture (and the best of ours) when they were side by side in conflict years ago.
    We need to look at positioning ourselves as non-aligned, and built our military and manufacturing capacity to suit.

  89. John of Mel

    Are you suggesting we get ourselves some nukes? Otherwise, I’m not seeing how a huge island with a population the size of an average Chinese city can be strategically independent. You need to be realistic. The US as a strong ally is our best chance.

  90. 1735099

    Are you suggesting we get ourselves some nukes

    We need the capacity to do so swiftly if necessary.
    Maybe starting with nuclear capable subs, as a deterrent measure, would be a good start.
    The lessons of WW2 seem to have been consigned to history.
    We were unprepared to withstand an expansionist Fascist imperial threat then.
    The Chinese threat is morphing into something similar, and certainly has the potential to do so.
    Back then we relied on the British.
    Remember how that turned out?
    Relying on an inward-looking isolationist USA beset by its own problems is equally stupid.
    The Americans supported us only because it was in their vital interests to do so.
    The Australian mainland constituted an unsinkable aircraft carrier.
    The differences between American and US culture were revealed starkly on 26th and 27th November 1942, and I experienced it at first hand when US artillery dropped rounds on our position out of their disregard for non-Americans in May 1970.
    For me, and others in my platoon, that was an epiphany.

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