Capitol lies

Start with this: US Capitol riot: Father says son’s arrest isn’t what it seems, he was anti-Trump.

But Robert Grimes, 54, of Cadillac says his son is not a supporter of President Donald Trump and should not be associated with those Trump supporters who stormed the U.S. Capitol building. His son keeps an eye on groups such as the Proud Boys and was there to protest the Trump faction, he said.

And then there’s this: DC Mayor Told Federal Law Enforcement To Stand Down Day Before Violent US Capitol Riot.

Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser told federal law enforcement to stand down just one day before a mob of Trump supporters breached the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, smashing windows, entering the chambers, and forcing lawmakers and congressional staff inside into lockdown.

“To be clear, the District of Columbia is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel and discourages any additional deployment without immediate notification to, and consultation with, MPD if such plans are underway,” Bowser wrote in a letter to acting U.S. Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, and Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy.

Also discussed here: US Capitol Police opened the fire doors and let hundreds of Activists inside the US Capitol.

But possibly most interesting of all was this: Rasmussen: Trump’s Approval Rating Rises After DC Protests. Virtually no one on the PDT side of the fence is particularly angry about the reaction of those who are actually on his side, which is not necessarily made up of the entire contingent of those who entered the Capitol.

The Rasmussen poll, one of the most accurate polls of the 2020 election, finds President Trump’s approval is actually rising after Wednesday‘s protests. As Democrats move to impeachment and some establishment  Republicans call for the 25th Amendment to remove Trump, the poll finds 48% approve of the President’s job performance.

Lots of media and the Deep State establishment sounding these supposed alarms, but if anyone has broken the democratic compact, they are the ones who have done it.

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75 Responses to Capitol lies

  1. Visiting American

    Attorney General Barr: Trump actions in promoting violence a betrayal of the Constitution and the American people.

  2. covid ate my homework

    Barr’s old man gave Epstein his start in pimping underage girls… go figure!

  3. a happy little debunker

    Nancy Pelosi has advocated to incite sedition within the ranks of the US military – when will she be arrested and tried for Treason?

  4. mh

    Virtually no one on the PDT side of the fence is particularly angry about the reaction of those who are actually on his side, which is not necessarily made up of the entire contingent of those who entered the Capitol.

    You would need a humour bypass not to have a chuckle at this guy sat at Pelosi’s desk.

    Or this guy sat in the Vice President’s chair.

  5. C.L.

    DC Mayor Told Federal Law Enforcement To Stand Down Day Before Violent US Capitol Riot.

    The problem I have with that claim is that a mayor has no authority to “stand down” Federal officials. Given that Biden has won and Trump leaves in a matter of days, I’m also sceptical about Capitol police letting protesters run riot to tarnish Trump. Trump’s history, already.

    This was just a bureaucratic fuck-up – incompetence from lazy, retarded mall cops who were most likely diversity hires to a man and a woman.

  6. covid ate my homework

    Barr was also AG to George W Bush the deep state pinnochi-nose of some considerable repute.

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    From OAN:

    Multiple Reports, Eyewitness Accounts Indicate Antifa (9 Jan)

    Reports are emerging from numerous eyewitness accounts that Antifa was actually behind the acts of violence at the Capitol on Wednesday.

    Gohmert: Police Warned Of Antifa Rioters Among Trump Crowds (8 Jan)

    Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert tells One America’s John Hines– just a day before the violent breach of the U.S. Capitol, police warned Antifa could infiltrate the scene.

    Evidence Emerges Of Antifa Infiltrating Capitol Hill Protests (7 Jan)

    Evidence continues to emerge showing far-left instigators infiltrated protests on Capitol Hill.

    As the world looks to Capitol Hill following unprecedented events, multiple Republican lawmakers are asking their fellow Americans to stay calm and wait for evidence of what happened before jumping to conclusions.

    Other reports suggest the main instigators were Antifa, whereas the real Trump supporters were polite and kept within marked barriers.

    It all smells very noxious and 1933-ish to me. Such things are classic tactics of fascists like the Democrat Party.

  8. min

    Barr has resigned, well asked to by Trump , there someone else in that position who will release Durham report and all the other stuff coming out from Arkansas 7pm tonight .

  9. covid ate my homework

    This was just a bureaucratic fuck-up – incompetence from lazy, retarded mall cops who were most likely diversity hires to a man and a woman.

    Not so sure C.L. There’s a marked difference between the Keystone Cops and Capitol police opening fire doors and ushering in unauthorised persons.

  10. min

    Barr left 23December , Rosen Acting AG.

  11. covid ate my homework

    whereas the real Trump supporters were polite and kept within marked barriers.

    Yes Bruce it’s customary for crazed and deranged rioting domestic terrorists to smash windows and kick down doors only to obediently stay within the roped walkways.

  12. dover_beach

    This was just a bureaucratic fuck-up

    I think we too quickly fall back on this judgment. Let us establish that this was the case., firstly.

  13. covid ate my homework

    You would need a humour bypass not to have a chuckle at this guy sat at Pelosi’s desk.

    Or this guy sat in the Vice President’s chair.

    The caption for both images “This fucking chair stinks”

  14. Crossie

    mh
    #3718318, posted on January 10, 2021 at 1:09 pm
    Virtually no one on the PDT side of the fence is particularly angry about the reaction of those who are actually on his side, which is not necessarily made up of the entire contingent of those who entered the Capitol.

    You would need a humour bypass not to have a chuckle at this guy sat at Pelosi’s desk.

    Or this guy sat in the Vice President’s chair.

    Those are not Pelosi’s or Pence’s chairs, they are the people’s chairs and when the chambers are empty the people have a right to sit there and take selfies.

  15. Crossie

    This was just a bureaucratic fuck-up

    Was it a bureaucratic fuck-up when a suit clad arm shot and killed an unarmed woman?

  16. mh

    Those are not Pelosi’s or Pence’s chairs, they are the people’s chairs and when the chambers are empty the people have a right to sit there and take selfies.

    So the offence only appears to be one of protocols.

  17. marc

    Dammit, double post again, sorry.

  18. jo

    “This fucking chair stinks”

    Nadler’s chair.

  19. Figures

    Even though I don’t care about DC police, this was a strategic mistake. If the Right want to use protests the way the Left use them – and we should – we need to go after better targets. The SPLC is an obvious one. Twitter and Google headquarters of course. CNN and New York Times.

  20. JohnJJJ

    Trump supporters were polite and kept within marked barriers. and therein lies the failure. You can’t defeat your enemy with honesty and politeness. They will always win. It is fundamental politics. It took the Christians 300 years of suffering to realise it. If Trump was to win he needed a loyal party working constantly to undermine and destroy his opposition. He had a loose coalition of well meaning Americans who believed the American Dream of honesty and hard work.
    The Internet has changed that completely.
    It’s a new world folks: faux concern, ad hominem attacks, superficial outrage and a pact with the Devil.

  21. marc

    There is so much more to whats occurring. The globalist elements of both sides are in a bit of a panic, hence the censoring and suppression of information. All legal avenues have been exhausted so lets see what comes next.

    http://americanpatriotcontacttracers.com/explosive-italygate-obama-and-renzi-accused-of-being-the-masterminds-of-us-election-fraud/

    https://www.newsview.gr/2021/01/italy-involved-us-elections.html

    https://www.newswars.com/bombshell-report-massive-dem-election-fraud-operation-from-italy-revealed-president-trump-briefed-on-proof/

    have a listen to what Mr Johnson has to say

  22. calli

    I was in DC on an ordinary day in 2010. The place was bristling with police and other very obvious law enforcement types. I’m extremely sceptical about a mob just “getting in”.

    It may have been a factor of “defund the police”, but still not buying it. They were let in. Why? is the question.

  23. Ozman

    Evidently, two operations were being conducted on January 6. One by the President’s men. The other by the Deep State using Antifa to create a riot and set up Trump with a “wrap up smear”; where the Press report facts and the Pelosi’s (daily lamas, et al) of this world begin to use the fake MSM reports as the means for discrediting Donald Trump.

    The Deep State operation included what appears to be a staged shooting, where Ashli Babbit is shot in the neck without blood splurting everywhere.

    The “white hat” operation, reported by by Anna Vandersteel (among other pertinent facts), was executed by two men dressed as Antifa, who were undercover agents sent in to obtain data from computers.

  24. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It all smells very noxious and 1933-ish to me. Such things are classic tactics of fascists like the Democrat Party.

    I’ve been wondering when that would be raised too. It seems obvious, and close examination of some of the video footage needs to be made.

  25. publius

    the hard undeniable fact remains- if trump hasn’t cucked like a pussy and had done the hard work of reining in 2A censorship like he campaigned….NONE OF THIS would be occurring and he’d have won in a landslide.
    but jared made him sit in a corner and because ivanka would pout if he didn’t, trump did as he was told.

  26. calli

    Not buying that either ozman, but people can believe what they want to believe.

    I get why they had live rounds inside the offices. But they knew there’d be trouble of some sort or other. The place is like a fortress. There is “seeming” accessibility, but that’s for show. I’m trying to picture the same thing happening at Westminster or Buck Palace or even the Vatican. In normal circumstances every effort would have been made to keep a mob out, from every access point. That is a realistic expectation.

    This stuff has the stench of a poor Hollywood script, except that a young woman died in the process. Expendable.

  27. PB

    It was all about harvesting images for media dissemination and “interpretation”.

  28. publius

    the irony of trump getting banned by tiktok is really something.
    he, potus, couldn’t ban them (chinese propaganda site) on US soil. amazing.

  29. PB

    “Evidence continues to emerge showing far-left instigators infiltrated protests on Capitol Hill.”

    Antifa complained that Trump supporters did the same to them, causing their “mostly peaceful” protests to spiral out of control. The Capitol rioters seem to have left their matches at home, unlike Antifa rioters.

  30. Yosefu

    Antifa complained that Trump supporters did the same to them, causing their “mostly peaceful” protests to spiral out of control.

    Apparently this was a strategy for calling in law enforcement against them. Antifa chewed through their leash and the feds needed to pull them back into line without blaming them directly for the chaos. So phantom right-wing extremists were the excuse.

  31. stackja

    Democrats have always lied.
    Once the newspapers reported both sides.
    Since FDR only one side is allowed to get their message across.

  32. Roger

    Trump Twitter ban reportedly at the behest of Michelle Obama.

  33. FelixKruell

    This is what, the third article from Kates full of links to anecdotal crap about the riot? Antifa did it! No, Maga did it and it was benign! Nothing to see here. No, patriots did it because of the steal! It’s all Biden’s fault!

    When even Kates realises the rioters fcked things up for Trump, you know it must be bad.

  34. covid ate my homework

    “This fucking chair stinks”

    Nadler’s chair.

    Ok Jo, I know when I’m beaten.

  35. Captain Katzenjammer

    They aren’t satisfied with just removing Trump by whatever means, as we’ve seen. That want to disgrace him – tar and feather him as he’s kicked out on the street. They’re really scared of Trump and want to force his supporters to disenfranchise hm, to leave him like they’d leave a toxic bad smell.
    .
    Fear and foul hatred is their guiding principle. And they’ve let us know they’re in charge again.

  36. Watch Your Back

    Snopes Fact-check, 7 Jan 2021

    “In short, the president called on supporters to “peacefully and patriotically” march or walk to the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, to urge members of the senate to defy the Electoral College vote in a constitutionally mandated procedure to affirm Biden’s win, without using the words “storm” or “breach” or “break into” the federal building.”

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    Snopes?
    Giggle.

  38. rickw

    Nancy Pelosi has advocated to incite sedition within the ranks of the US military – when will she be arrested and tried for Treason?

    Classic Leftism. Accuse Trump of a coup whilst attempting to organise your own!

  39. Watch Your Back

    I keep thinking of Cromwell in the Long Parliament.

    ‘Pray consider that you may be wrong’.

    What if:
    1. There was electoral fraud;
    2. There were agent provocateurs (as in a Tale of Two Cities) in the Capitol.

    We don’t know. If there was fraud it would have been discovered by forensic audits of the votes. But this was refused. If there was no fraud, why not do a short full recount comparing votes to addresses and types of ballot. It would put the matter to rest. But the Democrats won’t do this. I wonder why?

    As for agents provocateurs, it’s a standard play by communists and anarchists.

  40. Watch Your Back

    I know Bruce, they’re leftwing. But the point is they are saying Trump did not incite insurrection.

  41. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sorry WTB, my mistake. I jumped to a conclusion without adequately reading the quote.

  42. Watch Your Back

    No worries Bruce.

    I rather fear the Snopes person who wrote something true may lose her job….

  43. covid ate my homework

    I rather fear the Snopes person who wrote something true may lose her job…

    WYB, the Snopes people is some brainless fat cow who’s husband pissed off with company funds to buy some Vegas hooker’s affections. Only the leftist follow this crap. BTW she won’t lose her job, she is Snopes.

  44. publius

    roger- michele o didn’t make trump hire wray, barr and haspel.
    neither was she responsible for trump never firing them.
    ps. that’s the same wray that had dozens of special agents looking for a ‘noose’ in a nascar garage within 24hrs. did nothing to assist trump. ever.
    let’s stop thinking like victims. plenty that our side could have done to beat these bastards.

  45. Some History

    Nance Pelousy calls for unity at this volatile time (only jokin’… Haaaa)

    Pelosi calls Trump “Deranged, Unhinged, Dangerous” And Says He Should Be Prosecuted

    Lesley Stahl interviewed the speaker of the House for a story airing Sunday night on 60 Minutes.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nancy-pelosi-60-minutes-2021-01-08/

    Good ol’ Nance is a nasty piece of work. When considering “Deranged, Unhinged, Dangerous”, it’s actually the old, bitter hag that comes to mind.

  46. Scernus

    How ironic, the biggest threat to peace in this world is from an old lady from California.
    By attacking over 75 million US voters and further antagonising them by trying to make their choice ineligible to ever run for office again, she is inciting a civil war.
    If that happens, who is going to stop the likes of Nth Korea, Iran, Turkey, China …..?

  47. Watch Your Back

    Hi Covid,

    In this case, somewhat unusually, the Snopes lassie concluded that President Trump did NOT incite insurrection. Must have sneaked it past ‘quality control’.

    I don’t trust Snopes, but I think it’s useful to seize upon their own words.

  48. Wayne

    This was just a bureaucratic fuck-up – incompetence from lazy, retarded mall cops who were most likely diversity hires to a man and a woman.

    Sounds like a blueprint for the next 4 years.

  49. Captain Katzenjammer

    It’s scary.

  50. Some History

    Creepy Joe got more votes in the last election that any previous presidential candidate.
    This guy –

    Joe Biden on the Big Lie

  51. Guy Rundle’s take on the siege –

    American unity, power and authority collapses before our very eyes. What comes next?

    You fall asleep thinking about the exciting/boring news day ahead, when 11 US senators and up to 100 House members will challenge certified election results. All the procedural guff, “all that is required for evil to triumph…”, “Mr President I yield my time…”, blah blah blah, some bogus procedural coup aimed at the 2024 Republican primaries.

    And you wake, flick on The Washington Post, and see a horned protester in American flag body paint heading a mob forcing their way into the marble halls of the US Congress.

    God damn it, history actually happened. Protesters lolling in the Senate president’s chair, after the chamber was evacuated, rifling through people’s desks. Extraordinary scenes.

    Here it is, what popular culture has been dreaming of in a thousand crappy movies and comic books: the moment when the US government loses its imperial unitary power all at once, and becomes as one with the tin-pot countries in whose capitals it had fomented coups that looked exactly like this one, ragged militias in the shining set of power. Someone seize the airport and the television station!

    Whether you call it a coup or not — it appears to be both a ham-fisted version of one and a simulation of it at the same time — it surely marks the conclusion of America’s rhetorical power, its capacity to project global dominance and legitimate authority.

    Could one imagine this happening in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing? My god, there wouldn’t even be a wet spot left where the protesters had been.

    This sudden loss of global power projection comes not because the storming represents a planned assault on state power — although it opens an opportunity for a real civil war within the branches of government — but because it doesn’t, because it has occurred through a mix of lassitude and poor planning, and the habitual soft policing of right-wing events.

    Had it been a Black Lives Matter protest, the Capitol would have been ringed with steel, troops with fixed bayonets several deep, as it was during the march on the Pentagon and other Vietnam protests.

    Here, all was not merely confusion but a lack of confidence in the rightness of protecting the highly imperfect, very limited, actually existing democracy of the US, against a force dedicated to its destruction, in the name of a mythical “real America” deprived of its right by imaginary electoral fraud.

    The DC National Guard were called out late, leaving the petty Capitol police, whose task is to deal with sporadic drunks and loonies (not ignoring their complicity with the right-wing insurgents) the sole task of defending the legislature. The Virginia National Guard was called out by that state’s Democratic governor even later.

    This failure to assert the state power one has actually gained is in part a consequence of the quasi-anarchist dimension of American progressivism, with its emphasis on police abolition. In Greece during the 2010-12 crisis, the Communist Party marched on the parliament building — and then defended it when the anarchists tried to invade it. That sort of dual conception is absent on the US left and leaves it disarmed.

    But of course the chaos and the carnival was only part of it. “Yippie” style political theatre has made its final migration to the right; they turn up in red, white and blue war paint, Star Wars trooper headgear, Q t-shirts, tricorn hats and all the rest. This disguises the fact that the Capitol invasion was only possible because the actual military hadn’t been called out to defend the seat of US state power.

    That would appear to be a decision of Trump’s recently appointed, supine defence secretary, installed for just such a moment. Not my country, so I’m not waving a flag for calling out the troops. Simply observing that when the executive branch won’t defend the legislative branch, what you have is the first stage of an internal state coup in classic fashion.

    This is evidenced by calls from within the pro-Trump right for a declaration of martial law, the guarantee of stability, safety of the people, etc; a one-two manoeuvre used by both right and left in the Cold War, from Guatemala to Czechoslovakia.

    Any sense that this is simply a cosplay simulation is false; the protesters have opened up the formal moment which would allow a coherent narrative of legitimation for an actual coup to be opened up.

    Trump himself is teasing out this division between the real and the simulated, by tweeting out that the protesters should go home “in love and peace” but congratulating them as fully justified. In turn, Twitter has innovated, making it impossible to comment on, retweet, or “like” said tweets.

    Indeed, the collapse of unitary power was, paradoxically, exacerbated by Joe Biden giving a televised address in front of a backdrop saying “Office of the President-elect”, a huge breach of standard protocol (the “one president at a time” rule). He was appealing, of course, for “unity”, that mystical American political notion essential to the projection of global power.

    Yet the insurgents are not interested in that sort of unity, e pluribus unum, nor in standard Cold War notions of American greatness as grounded in projected power. E unum unum is more their go.

    Biden’s concluding of his address with Lincoln’s “last, best hope of man” was particularly pathetic. Today, the US is a cautionary tale about the destructive role that hubris and myth can play in the life of a republic.

    This is surely not the end of something that saw its greatest success with Trump’s 2016 election, but the next stage. Little noticed was a less chaotic but similar process at the Kansas statehouse. What happens if such groups can create a coordinated attack, where 20 statehouses are occupied simultaneously? What if that seeds a wave of further occupations?

    Far-fetched? Did you think you would see right-wing militia lolling in the Speakers’ chair, like scenes from Libya or Iraq a few years ago?

    What will determine the possibility of this is whether US progressives have the capacity to turn around and crush these movements, using the state power at their disposal — having just actually won control of White House and Congress.

    Or whether, from sleep, they will wake to find they could not keep such of a republic as was given to them.

  52. Some History

    Some History
    #3718990, posted on January 10, 2021 at 7:26 pm
    Creepy Joe got more votes in the last election that any previous presidential candidate.
    This guy –
    Joe Biden on the Big Lie

    Creepy Joe is himself “Goebbeling” the Big Lie that “there was no election fraud”.

  53. Dot

    Guy Rundle’s take on the siege –

    Ooooh yes!

    Gwee Rundlé!

    What a treat.

    This failure to assert the state power one has actually gained is in part a consequence of the quasi-anarchist dimension of American progressivism, with its emphasis on police abolition.

    You mean, progressives replacing the cops with the FBI and CIA killing American citizens.

    Obama went there, what a trailblazer.

  54. Boambee John

    Had it been a Black Lives Matter protest, the Capitol would have been ringed with steel, troops with fixed bayonets several deep, as it was during the march on the Pentagon and other Vietnam protests.

    Rundle seems either to have slept through much of last year, or allowed his political biases to take control of his over-vivid imagination.

    Fact Check: Crap.

  55. Boambee John

    What will determine the possibility of this is whether US progressives have the capacity to turn around and crush these movements, using the state power at their disposal — having just actually won control of White House and Congress.

    Rundle’s screeching would have been heard on Mars had the Trump administration moved to do that last year, when Federal installations were under attack by Antifa and BLM.

  56. Dot

    FROM ELSEWHERE:

    ANTIFA caught out at Capitol Hill protest.

    Mostly peaceful involvement.

  57. PB

    “Attorney General Barr: Trump actions in promoting violence a betrayal of the Constitution and the American people.”

    Admittedly 20 solid years of election rigging back to Bush and “hanging chads” (and probably earlier) so I suppose you’d see no issue with Biden being elected through the most blatant vote fraud this side of Nigeria, because Trump isn’t a nice man. Your Constitution died long ago, and you know it. Funny part is that it’s clear you don’t care.

  58. Lee

    Guy Rundle’s take on the siege –

    Guy Rundle of Crikey?
    FFS!

  59. Entropy

    Could one imagine this happening in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing? My god, there wouldn’t even be a wet spot left where the protesters had been.

    Says Guy with approval.

  60. Albatross

    Guy Rundle is such a tosspot poseur. Figures Bob would find him insightful.

  61. RJH

    One of the better summations of recent US politics whether you like it or not!

    Subject: Copied from Fakebook. Re Trump
    This post is not open for debate. I have listened to everyone else’s hatred, rhetoric and outright lies for the last four years, so now I am having my say. If you don’t like it, you know where the delete button is. Let me be clear, I am not a Biden fan. I think he is corrupt, a liar, a racist bigot, is in bed with China and probably suffering from dementia. He has done nothing to improve anything in his 47-year political career.

    But what has Trump done in the past 4 years?
    The “arrogant” in the White House brokered four Middle East Peace Accords, something that 71 years of political intervention and endless war failed to produce.
    The “buffoon” in the White House is the first president that has not engaged us in a foreign war since Eisenhower.
    The “racist” in the White House has had the greatest impact on the economy, bringing jobs, and lowering unemployment to the Black and Latino population of ANY other president. Ever.
    The “liar” in the White House has exposed the deep, widespread, and long-standing corruption in the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the Republican and Democratic parties.
    The “white supremacist” in the White House turned NATO around and had them start paying their dues.
    The “fool” in the White House neutralized the North Koreans and stopped them sending missiles toward Japan, and threatening the West Coast of the US.
    The “xenophobe” in the White House turned our relationship with the Chinese around, brought hundreds of businesses back to the US, and revived the economy.
    This same “clown” lowered your taxes, increased the standard deduction on your IRS return from $12,500 to $24,400 for married couples and caused the stock market to rise to record levels, positively impacting the retirement accounts of tens of millions of citizens.
    The “idiot” in the White House fast-tracked the development of multiple COVID Vaccines which are now available or will be soon. And yet we still don’t have a vaccine for SARS, Bird Flu, Ebola, or a host of diseases that arose during previous administrations.
    The “orange man” in the White House rebuilt our military which the Obama administration crippled and fired 214 key generals and admirals in his first year of office.
    I got it, you don’t like him. Many of you utterly hate and despise him. How special of you. He is serving you and ALL the American people. What are you doing besides calling him names and laughing about him catching the China virus? Some of you were even hoping that COVID would be the cause of his demise. (Ah, the left. The party of “tolerance”. )
    Please educate me again as to what Biden has accomplished for America in his 47 years in office, besides making the whole Biden family richer? By the way, where is Hunter?
    I’ll take the “clown” any day versus a fork tongued, smooth talking, hypocritical, racist corrupt liar. I want a strong leader who isn’t afraid to kick some butt when needed. I don’t need a fatherly figure. I don’t need a liar. That’s what Hollywood, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and the New York Times are for.
    Call me a chump, a racist, a superspreader or part of the basket of deplorables. I do not care!
    God bless Donald Trump – the best, most unappreciated President in U.S. history.
    Feel free to copy/paste, I did.

  62. Kneel

    “One of the better summations of recent US politics whether you like it or not!”

    Indeed.
    I think the left are over-confident that they can control the message.

    I also think many ordinary people are seeing what happened, and the difference between how Trump’s claims of election fraud have been treated vs how Hillary’s were treated, how BLM/Antifa “peaceful protests” were treated vs how MAGA protestors were treated, the difference in the reporting of same and also noticed that MAGA protestors picked up broken glass and rubbish, while BLM/Antifa burnt things down and left a huge mess behind, then wanted assistance for what they themselves caused. I think they see it as Trump stayed legal the whole time and let the system play out, vs Biden/Left wanting to shut it all down, don’t look behind the curtain, don’t question us, just shut up and listen to us experts etc. Combined with a really good economy pre-COVID, and MSM trust at all time lows, Tech giants trying to shut down their competitors or people they don’t like, and it looks bad – it doesn’t take much to come to the conclusion that it’s not about anything other than Trump is not one of the “in crowd” for pollies, so they want to smash him, regardless of what he has done for the people, the country or internationally.

    As per the quoted message above, most would prefer an honest bumbler who is at least trying to do what they want to a sleazy, inept liar who cares more about keeping the job than doing the job, and will say and do anything he thinks makes him look good or makes the opponent look bad.

    In support of that is that most polls showed Trump approval went UP on the 7th – Rassmussen said 49% approval on the 7th, vs 47% earlier in the week, other polls show similar. Obama only had 43% (which is what other polls have Trump on now) and he got re-elected easily.

    I would have to assume that we will see a Bidet/Kameltoe whitehouse at this stage – still have some hope it will change, but not prepared to bet on that. I hope the general citizenry of the US is smarter than the Dems think and that there are at least some people in positions of power that see the rot, don’t like it and are prepared to say “enough!” – we’ll see, I guess.

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