Less is never more for Deep State clodhoppers

Wikipedia:

Assassination of John F. Kennedy: 12,064 words, 180 footnotes.
General relativity: 20,549 words, 214 footnotes.
World War II: 24,672 words, 415 footnotes.
Jesus Christ: 25,735 words, 466 footnotes.
2021 storming of the United States Capitol: 38,829 words, 631 footnotes.

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130 Responses to Less is never more for Deep State clodhoppers

  1. Bronson

    Wikipedia ‘we just make shit up’

  2. NoFixedAddress

    antifa = anti Freedom America

  3. HD

    This is really quite sad in a number of ways. A lot of volunteers’ hours have gone into the site over the decades for I assume the most part, the public good. For no other reward than knowledge of having made an altruistic contribution to society. Then again, come to think of it, given the normalisation of deranged thinking and reasoning of late and in regard to the 2020 US election, plastered in every form of media there is, perhaps the authors genuinely believe they are acting in the public good.

    “…a riot and violent attack against the 117th United States Congress on January 6, 2021…”

    ” …the 2021 riot was the first time that the Capitol had been breached or occupied since the 1814 burning of Washington by the British Army during the War of 1812, and the first time that a U.S. president had ordered an attack against the Capitol…”

    Really. I have read better argued, referenced, more convincing and appropriately literate dissertations about US Presidents signing treaties with 4′ space men whose underpants are connected to their shoes.

    Images of panadol packets appear in my mind as I consider how exactly would be the best way to critique this…I’m not sure what the appropriate term(s) is/are. Is there any point in doing so(?) How could anybody that ever got 5 out of 10 or more on a high school essay take this article seriously. All 629 references date to within a six day period. All seem to be to media articles. A lot it is unprocessed biased ‘speel of consciousness’. Many sections by persons whose first language is definitely not English with the assistance of AI editing.

    Perhaps I should add a section to the DSM 5 page in regard to “Trump derangement”.

    Great, everything on Wikipedia is now suspect.

  4. Rex Anger

    @ HD-

    It has been for the longest time.

    A lot of the hard hard STEM and niche subjects are reasonably immune, but anything that is of any popular interest or can be manipulated to fit a political agenda, is.

    The place is lousy with SJWs and assorted activists, because of the ease and speed of modifications, and the fact that most people duck in to quickly get a background on something.

    If you want to know who the Cause is after this week, pop in their name or organisation, and check out anything labelled ‘Controversy,’ etc.

    A good alternative wiki is infogalactic. The variety may be less, but it is a place where you can pick which biased lens you want to read with your information.

  5. Pete of Perth

    I Would not be surprised in numbers contributed to the storming word salad.

  6. mundi

    The biggest travesty of all is that Trump tweeted this: “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”

    And that was the trigger to silence him and claim he was inciting violence.

  7. Chris M

    What really? Wik is broken, by design.

    It didn’t seem such a big deal given it’s happened a few times before and there wasn’t mass vandalism etc. It’s the peoples house, being the owners they should be welcome as long as they don’t damage things.

  8. HD
    #3722162, posted on January 13, 2021 at 12:03 am

    This is really quite sad in a number of ways. A lot of volunteers’ hours have gone into the site over the decades for I assume the most part, the public good. For no other reward than knowledge of having made an altruistic contribution to society.

    I sense that HD is a good person, I really do.
    Wiki was NEVER EVER going to turn out any different to what it has because bad people, evil people exist.

    One of the achilles’ heels of conservatives/religious people is that they hope and expect others behave just like them i.e. be nice, play by the rules.
    We see that from politicians on the right. Talking about their “colleagues” all the while those “colleagues” are smashing them on the head with ice picks.
    Naive and stupid, these people actually embolden the evil left.

  9. BalancedObservation2

    Donald Trump used these words to describe the new impeachment proceedings but they apply to much of what is happening in the media, and Wikipedia now appears part of it as well :

    a “continuation of the greatest witch hunt in the history of politics”.

    He’d just been elected president by the American people and had hardly been in office for a day before the Democrats were talking about impeaching him. Now he’s only got days left in office. They’ve won. It’s all worked. But they can’t wait a few days when he’ll be gone. They have to impeach him again.

    It’s almost like they’ve successfully interred him politically but aren’t satisfied. No end of dancing on his political grave seems to be enough either. They have to exhume him so they can bury him again.

    The words used by his political opponents to describe him are at times worse, more extravagant and more relentless than words used to describe the most heinous political dictators. But actually it’s not simply his political opponents but so called independent commentators seem part of it as well. Commentators who warn about using extravagant language generally but seem to make an exception when it comes to criticising Donald Trump.

    Why has all this happened?

    Well to be fair I have to say for me his actions since the election have helped fuel even more hatred. And he has on many occasions used rather extreme language to describe opponents himself. Even opponents in his own party. He’s used a tone of language not usually used by presidents.

    But does that justify how he’s been consistently treated ever since he was sworn in as president? I don’t think so. His actions since the election cannot be justified by how he’s been treated since his first day in office but that treatment might make how he’s reacted recently more understandable.

    However Donald Trump’s greatest offence – that helps explain how he’s been treated – has been to successfully run for office outside the establishment which both major parties really belong to. And then – before Covid struck – to deliver on most of his promises that got him elected. That really rubbed it in to the establishment. The establishment would have tolerated failure far more readily than success.

    Where to from here is the big question. This is not over yet. The recent actions of Donald Trump and Joe Biden are not making this situation any less perilous no matter who or what you want to blame for the current state of affairs.

    Both need to step back. Both need to start contemplating their own actions more. Both need to start thinking about the effects on their country more, and the effects on the world. And the they both need to find it within themselves to make peace with each other. They are the key players. Only they can resolve this. It rests with them. Currently events look out of their control because they both seem to be refusing to accept that only they can resolve this.

    If they could get together and make peace now given all that has happened, they’d be showing they were real leaders. All other outcomes are extremely fraught.

  10. Weeny

    How many words on the Antifa riots.

  11. Rossini

    BalancedObservation2
    #3722298,
    Well thought out.
    Although I doubt that Biden’s handlers would let him negotiate with
    President Trump

  12. B.A.Lert

    Wikipedia- the ministry of truth

  13. C.L.

    continuation of the greatest witch hunt in the history of politics

    Yep.

  14. BalancedObservation2

    Rossini

    Thanks.

    No doubt the handlers and the momentum in the Democratic Party are weighing heavily on what Joe Biden is thinking and probably preventing him from even contemplating stepping back at all.

    However I hope the thought has at least crossed his mind. And I hope stepping back has at least crossed Donald Trump’s mind. They both have awesome responsibilities in this. It’s too easy to underestimate their combined personal power in resolving this.

    Unfortunately you’re observation is pretty right. The momentum in the Democratic Party together with Joe Biden’s handlers is probably pushing Biden or carrying him along to do the exact opposite : to continue to up the ante. To make a very serious situation more serious. They probably think they hold all the cards in this. But they don’t.

    Joe Biden is president elect – only a few days off being president. He and Donald Trump personally have the power to change this situation. Only they can resolve it well. To my mind any other options are extremely fraught.

    It would be wrong for Joe Biden to assume he holds all the cards in this. Over 70 million Americans voted for Trump. They are still going to be around. As president, Biden will need the support of the people to govern well. Trump’s personal ratings have actually risen recently. Joe Biden needs to contemplate this and not assume he holds all the cards. Superficially it might look like he does but he doesn’t.

  15. DD

    BalancedObservation2

    Wenn Winston Churchill nach dem Rückzug aus Dünkirchen Ihrem Rat gefolgt wäre, könnten Sie und ich dies beide ohne Übersetzer lesen. Ihr Rat ist eine einfache erbitterte Kapitulation.

  16. Andre Lewis

    In response to what does Wikipedia have to say about antifa riots the answer is nothing. The only entries that mention this organisation claim it to be non violent.

  17. BalancedObservation2

    DD

    “If Winston Churchill had followed your advice after withdrawing from Dunkirk, you and I could both read this without a translator. Your advice is a simple bitter surrender.”

    I certainly don’t agree that’s relevant to my advice at all.

    My advice is clearly on the record here, argued at length in English.

    Whats your advice?

  18. jupes

    • 2021 storming of the United States Capitol: 38,829 words, 631 footnotes.

    While the storming of the US Capitol was not much more than a bit of theatre in the greater scheme of things, the successful coup against President Trump is probably the most significant event of my lifetime.

  19. jupes

    If they could get together and make peace now given all that has happened, they’d be showing they were real leaders.

    So if someone steals your car, house and investments, would you make “peace” with them while they still have every thing you owned?

    You idiot.

  20. BalancedObservation2

    jupes

    Totally irrelevant comment.

    Forget about stealing cars etc.

    What is your advice on how to handle this current situation? I’ve given mine at length.

  21. BalancedObservation2

    jupes

    #3722477

    To describe any part of this as a “storm in a teacup” is to underestimate how serious this whole situation is.

  22. jupes

    What is your advice on how to handle this current situation? I’ve given mine at length.

    Trump should encourage the law abiding states to secede from the union.

    Biden should speak as often as possible to provide us with a bit of comedy relief.

  23. BalancedObservation2

    jupes

    Really? How could he possibly do that? And even if he could what would that possibly achieve?

    I meant what’s your serious advice.

  24. jupes

    To describe any part of this as a “storm in a teacup” is to underestimate how serious this whole situation is.

    I said the storming of the Capitol was theatre. It was.

    The seriousness of the situation was caused by the Democrats, never-Trumpers and deep state when they executed a coup d’etat against the US President.

  25. jupes

    Totally irrelevant comment.

    Forget about stealing cars etc.

    Sorry, I thought I was dealing with someone with at least half a brain. The quote about stealing cars is an analogy. This was used to point out that you were asking Trump to make peace with someone who had just stolen the election from him.

    Why would he do that?

  26. I old enough to remember Trump “reaching out” to the other side in his inauguration speech. They continued to prosecute him.
    He also reached out in the last SOTU address. Pelosi smugly tore up his speech.

    Yet here we are, people still believe “reaching out” and “coming together” in a kumbaya setting is going to achieve anything other than total capitulation. Chamberlaine’s blood must have spread far and wide.
    Un – farking – believable.

  27. jupes

    Really? How could he possibly do that? And even if he could what would that possibly achieve?

    He does that by using whatever means of communication is still available to him. It would result in the US becoming two countries. One evil and one righteous.

  28. BalancedObservation2

    Baa Humbug

    Ok then. What’s your advice?

  29. BalancedObservation2

    jupes

    Two countries, one evil and one righteous?

    That’s not going to happen.

    It’s not only impossible it’s completely simplistic and incoherent.

  30. jupes

    It’s not only impossible it’s completely simplistic and incoherent.

    LOL

    It’s happend before. Look it up.

    You idiot.

  31. BalancedObservation2

    jupes

    #3722571

    The quality of your argument together with your civility are progressively diminishing.

  32. jupes

    The quality of your argument together with your civility are progressively diminishing.

    Wrong again. I have easily beclowned you and if you scroll back up, I called you an idiot in my first post.

    You idiot.

  33. Rex Anger

    Balanced Observation-

    Your rhetoric regarding Donald Trump bringing it on himself with his rhetoric and conduct, and Joe Biden doing the same, sounds nice and reasonable and even handed. Ditto about pulling back and talking things out.

    This is a fallacy.

    Perhaps Orange Man was not as Presidential as he could be, but his opposition (and by extension, ours) have not made and will not make any effort to be civil in return.

    Civility is not viewed as an act of the powerful. And the Left speaks no other language than Power.

    Attempting to reason and negotiate in an environment where violent leftism has set the terms of the conversation, is akin to trying to gently speak down an addict who has kicked down your door and is holding a knife to your throat.

    The addict does not care that he has done a socially unacceptable thing,and does not carw for future consequences. The addict wants his high and will do anyhting to achieve it. Even if it means stepping over your corpse to ransack your house.

    There is no negotiation. There is only fight or die.

    This is the world we now live in. And not by our choices. To say otherwise is delusional. This is why your argument is disparaged and ridiculed.

  34. “Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists above, and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie,” wrote that magazine’s chief content officer, Randall Lane recently. “We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet.”

    This is the mob “Balanced Observers” want to sit at a table with?

    This has been a cold civil war. Either people accept defeat or it goes hot. It’s as simple as that. Lots of historical precedent across all cultures.
    That’s my advice.

  35. There’s just no other way to describe Larry Alex Taunton’s fine deconstruction in the American Spectator of social justice evangelicals Tim Keller, John and Barnabas Piper and others. Here’s a small sample:

    “This is because evangelicals in the English-speaking world have confused Christ’s command to love others with being civil as if that were an attribute of God. (It isn’t.) As a consequence, a superficial, self-righteous, good-for-nothing pietism that prefers tone to truth and style to substance has displaced authentic Christianity in many of the roughly four hundred thousand churches in America. This doctrinal malpractice has given us a generation of men, Christian and otherwise, who are what Lewis called ‘men without chests.’”

  36. Michael Beller, PBS principal counsel: “We go for all the Republican voters and Homeland Security will take their children away…we’ll put them into the re-education camps.”

    Beller: “Enlightenment camps. They’re nice, they have Sesame Street characters in the classrooms, and they watch PBS all day.”

    Beller: “Americans are so f*cking dumb. You know, most people are dumb. It’s good to live in a place [Washington, D.C.] where people are educated and know stuff. Could you imagine if you lived in one of these other towns or cities where everybody’s just stupid?”

    Beller: “What’s great is that COVID is spiking in all the red states right now. So that’s great…a lot of them [red state voters] are sick and dying.”

    PBS is a non-profit institution receiving millions of dollars per year from the federal government.

    “Balanced Observers” want to have “Civil Discussions” with these people.

    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/pbs-principal-counsel-lays-out-violent-radical-agenda-says-americans-are-f/

  37. BalancedObservation2

    Rex Anger

    #3722590

    I’ve said both Biden and Trump have power in this situation. I haven’t argued in my posts here simply for civility.

    You’ve argued against what I’ve said and recommended fight or die. What exactly do you mean by that? You need to spell it out. I’ve spelled my case out at length.

    You need to show why your recommended thought through solution – if you have one – would be superior to what I’ve recommended. That it would be likely to have a superior outcome.

    Neither Trump nor Biden has a monopoly on the power in this situation. However I believe most of the power resides with Biden. It certainly will in a few days time when he’s president.

    I’m suggesting they both put America’s interests first. And come together to resolve this serious situation. The longer either waits the worse the situation will get. To my mind other options are fraught.

  38. BalancedObservation2

    Baa Humbug

    #3722604

    “This is the mob “Balanced Observers” want to sit at a table with?

    This has been a cold civil war. Either people accept defeat or it goes hot. It’s as simple as that. Lots of historical precedent across all cultures.

    That’s my advice”.

    That’s not actually advice. What are you recommending Donald Trump should actually do?

  39. Rex Anger

    I’m suggesting they both put America’s interests first. And come together to resolve this serious situation. The longer either waits the worse the situation will get. To my mind other options are fraught.

    And I in turn will gently remind you that this is a fallacy.

    The world has seen 4 years of increasingly strident and violent abuse of President Trump and anyone who might dare to exhibit sympathy for him, let alone support.

    These actors have now seen what they interpret as total victory over him and his ideals. Why would they stop now?

    As I said, civility is not seen as the language of Power. Total annihiliation of one’s Class Enemies and their ability to dissent is.

    At individual plebe level, I have no means of fighting back, except to deny them my mind thru accepting their propaganda and demands I accept defeat. Same as the populations of Eastern Europe.

    As a mass movement, you will see the same, but expressed a little more loudly. With enkugh pressure and just enough breathing space for resistance to form, you will see initially non-violent and then violent resistance to the oppression.

    Donald Trump cannot stop it- He has been silenced. Joe Biden will not stop it- His controllers have their blood up.

    This is beyond both indivoduals. And you would be delusional to suggest otherwise.

  40. BalancedObservation2

    Rex Anger

    I disagree.

    These men have the personal power to resolve this.

    One is currently president. The other will soon be. They both have more power than any other Americans to resolve this.

  41. Rex Anger

    These men have the personal power to resolve this.

    OK. I acceot you believe this.

    Watch the impeachment Mark 2 proceedings, the mass unpersonings, deplatformings, political violence and ever-escalating rhetoric in the weeks to come.

    More importantly, watch who is not being accused of violence and who is.

    I rather think the same spectrum of actors driving events now will change your mind for you. And I suspect they won’t even dissemble about it anymore…

  42. jupes

    I rather think the same spectrum of actors driving events now will change your mind for you.

    I doubt it. BO2 is as dumb as a stump.

  43. BalancedObservation2

    Rex Anger

    #3722675

    We’ll see. My mind is open.

    I would like to make it clear I’m bitterly disappointment Donald Trump will not be continuing as president.

    Donald Trump’s achievements in office have lifted the bar for Joe Biden. But Trump’s behaviour since the election hasn’t.

    If Donald Trump wants another shot at the presidency he’d be wise to follow my advice.

    Even if his offer to meet with Joe Biden is straight out and coldly rejected by Biden it’s still best. Such a rejection would weaken the Democrats standing and could be leveraged to help the Republicans in congressional elections – and to help Donald Trump if he runs again.

  44. jupes

    If Donald Trump wants another shot at the presidency he’d be wise to follow my advice.

    LOL

  45. BalancedObservation2

    jupes

    #3722686

    Thanks for confirming the accuracy of my previous post (#3722580) about your comments.

  46. HD

    “Wiki was NEVER EVER going to turn out any different to what it has because bad people, evil people exist”.

    “One of the achilles’ heels of conservatives/religious people…Naive and stupid, these people actually embolden the evil left.”

    I not sure how the above are related to my opinion of the “capitol storming” article. Which I see as a disappointing reflection on Wikipedia being used as other than the intended purpose of an reference resource. That in this instance does not impartially present information in a process of critical comparison and contrast. From the first sentence it is a sequence of polarised opinion, extrapolations, interpolations and secants to imaginary curves plotted from imaginary data points framed via psychological externalisations/projections. To attempt establishment of this series of opinions as facts with a reference list of other opinions rather than actual reference information.

    The article simply does not function as a coherent composition either in terms of syntax or as an informational reference.

  47. Vicki

    BalancedObservation2

    It would seem to me that the fundamental error in your case for a resolution of the crisis is that you assume that it can be resolved by either/or both Trump & Biden. You are both misreading the conflict and ignorant of the current mobilisation of militias on both sides.

    Certainly, the dominance of Trump’s persona has had a centralising effect on events. Biden is but “a bit actor” in the drama. But this is out of Trump’s hands now. There are close to 70 million Americans who believe that they have been devalued in the “electoral process”. Intel experts estimate that at least 3% of over half of those Americans are prepared to take up arms at the moment.

    Do you seriously think Trump and Biden can shake hands & tell everyone to cool down????

  48. Vicki

    BalancedObservations2

    These may be of interest to you re the probably irrevocable process that is being set in motion:

    https://youtu.be/pAuJ1u702wY

    &

    https://www.sbs.com.au/guide/node/16998

  49. BalancedObservation2

    Vicki

    #3722728

    So Vicki what do you suggest Donald Trump and Joe Biden do? Nothing? Just let events take their course?

    I disagree with your implied depiction of Joe Biden and Donald Trump almost as if they were helpless bystanders in this.

    They are still two powerful people – if they choose to exercise the power they have. One is the president and the other is soon to be the president.

    Their meeting to resolve this may be highly improbable but it’s still the best outcome we can hope for… by far.

  50. BalancedObservation2
    #3722639, posted on January 13, 2021 at 12:54 pm

    That’s not actually advice. What are you recommending Donald Trump should actually do?

    I recommend Trump become the Soros of the right. Primary every RINO starting in 2022. Not just Federal politicians but state prosecutors, atornies general etc. and take over the GOP.
    The left will get violent (by use of BLM, Antifa or any new iteration) once some of theirs are in the dock and or wearing orange jumpsuits.
    Now you got yourself a hot civil war to sort this mess out one way or the other.

    “We didn’t start the fire. It was already burning.”

  51. Chris M

    BO2 is as dumb as a stump.

    Well that’s a bit harsh. He just want to give up, a long winded surrender note – maybe had a genteel life with no concept of the criminal mind.

    So who was BO1, is that Luci?

    Many, many options from here such as tar, feathers, gallows, Gitmo… at least start symbolically with getting Bidens first impeachment underway and ramp up Hunters investigation.

  52. Chris M

    Curious as to how Bovine1 might propose future election be conducted, presumably the Republicans should dump in 30 million extra ballots and strong arm all observers out the way? This could be the new norm.

  53. BalancedObservation2

    Vicki

    The links in your next post (#3722736) convince me even more than ever that Joe Biden and Donald Trump need to come together to resolve this. Trump’s supporters will certainly listen to him. They’re very loyal.

    Both these leaders meeting together peacefully to resolve this would be a very powerful statement – enough to really help defuse the situation. Other alternatives are far more fraught.

  54. BalancedObservation2

    Baa Humbug

    So that’s your advice? A civil war?

    Thankfully most Americans on both sides will do all they can to prevent that.

  55. Rex Anger

    At this point, I’m going to have to call Concern Troll here.

    No development of argument, no actual engagement with other posters. But a contstant repetition of script point and even key phrases, like Other alternatives are far more fraught.

    Credit for maintaining your script, BalancedObservation2, but there is no way you are a serious player or interested in presenting, maintaining or developing your own real opinion on this matter.

    #SufferNotTheTrollToFeed

  56. BalancedObservation2

    Chris M

    #3722759 #3722754

    What I’ve said already is sufficient response.

    However I’ll respond to the question about my name. I wouldn’t have a clue who “Luci” is. I’m new here. BalancedObservation was a name I posted under in the Australian. But no longer. I’ve cancelled my subscription there.

  57. Lee

    There is no way Biden or the Democrats are interested in “talking with”, let alone negotiating with Donald Trump.
    To suggest otherwise is ignorance.

  58. Vicki

    Trump’s supporters will certainly listen to him. They’re very loyal.

    I’m sure that you are a very nice person, but surely you can see that this is a supercharged political confrontation that has been years in the making.

    Historians will debate its causes for years to come.

    At this moment – clearly a moment on the cusp of a civic explosion – no soothing words from the leaders will deter the hotheads. Trump himself, before the invasion of the Capitol, urged the vast crowds to disperse. And most did.

    But this conflict is now a freight train out of control. If you cannot recognise that…you have not been researching beyond what the household media are telling you.

  59. BalancedObservation2

    Rex Anger

    #3722783

    I think I’ve developed more arguments than you have in response. But I’ll let others decide that.

    I’m guessing you have felt compelled to question my independence and integrity, because you don’t appear to have effectively been able to rebut my arguments.

    I’m new here but I think you’ll find out the longer I’m here that I’m only interested in putting my own opinion forward. I’m no stooge for anyone else.

    I keep saying all other alternatives are fraught because that is integral to my argument. And I believe important enough to repeat. Look at what others here are putting up as alternatives: civil war for example.

  60. Vicki

    Thankfully most Americans on both sides will do all they can to prevent that.

    Ha! You think??

    The greater number will be scared to death….anxious about COVID, their job, the survival of their family et al. Many will be like animals stunned by the headlights of the vehicle that is about to wipe them out.

    The remaining number will be preparing their weapons, which the majority possess. A smaller number will be preparing for urban protests & will be armed. And remember – there are approximately 3 million combat veterans from the Middle Eastern conflict zones. They are mostly armed and a great many are what are now called “patriots”.

    I would like to think that your expectations are correct – but this conflict has all the hallmarks of an unstoppable civil insurrection.

  61. Chris M

    I wouldn’t have a clue who “Luci” is. I’m new here. BalancedObservation was a name I posted under in the Australian. But no longer.

    Welcome! Luci is a person that posts articles here at times, like a type of leftwing troll who postulates extreme nutbaggery and then revels in adversarial responses. But yes, you don’t appear to be related.

  62. BalancedObservation2

    Vicki

    #3722801

    I think you’re underestimating what a powerful statement it would be if Donald Trump and Joe Biden got together to resolve this.

    I know it’s improbable. But it’s the best outcome possible.

    The alternative outcomes you see happening would be disastrous.

    I think most Americans on both sides would not allow the possible disastrous outcomes you see to happen. To think otherwise is to underestimate Americans from both sides of politics.

  63. Vicki

    I think most Americans on both sides would not allow the possible disastrous outcomes you see to happen.

    Smile…….

    As the Americans say…..”Have a nice day BO2!”

  64. BalancedObservation2

    Vicki

    We’ll see soon enough.

  65. Rex Anger

    I think I’ve developed more arguments than you have in response. But I’ll let others decide that.

    There is a whole thread pointing out your fallacies. In far greater detail, and far less tact than my replies. All we get in return is Orange Man must negotiate, cuz bad juju otherwise!

    I’m guessing you have felt compelled to question my independence and integrity, because you don’t appear to have effectively been able to rebut my arguments.

    What arguments? All you keep saying is Donald.Trump should negotiate peaceably. As if he actually holds any more power in society at present. If this was the case, would people.be lining up to destroy him? Ditto Joe Biden, a perpetual puppet of far more powerful players his entire time in politics.

    I keep saying all other alternatives are fraught because that is integral to my argument. And I believe important enough to repeat. Look at what others here are putting up as alternatives: civil war for example.

    Not a single party has advocated civil war here, comrade. Beware the MSM’s trollshits. They have read the signs and expect it may become inevitable. The US polity is far more excitable than Australia’s. And a history of fighting tyrannical behaviour, regardless of party alignment As recently as 1946, in Athens Tennessee. A good portion of America’s people is being repeatedly stomped in the face while having its arms held back, while constantly being taunted Whatcha goin’ do about it?”

  66. Brian Boru

    BO2 says “ Trump’s greatest offence – that helps explain how he’s been treated – has been to successfully run for office outside the establishment which both major parties really belong to. And then – before Covid struck – to deliver on most of his promises that got him elected.”

    That’s right, Trump got the support of the ordinary blue collar workers whose support the Dems had always relied on but never delivered for. It must have tremendously upset all those pious Dem so-called progressives to have had their constituency stolen.

    As a side note I agree with RA that Wikispewdia is only of use when researching STEM subjects.
    But what to do? Jupes says; “Trump should encourage the law abiding states to secede from the union.” Wow, a rerun of the Civil War, I respectfully disagree.

    BO2 also says “I’m suggesting they both put America’s interests first. And come together to resolve this serious situation. The longer either waits the worse the situation will get.” Sounds to me like asking both to be statesmen which is what is sorely needed now.

    But I have greater faith in the American people than other commentators here and I think that hotheads on both sides will ultimately be crunched by the opinions of their fellow Americans.

    Vicki, with her focus on arms, seems to me like an enthusiastic lefty anti-gun zealot just rubbing her hands together in hopeful anticipation of some sort of Armageddon in order to justify her bias.

  67. Vicki

    The US polity is far more excitable than Australia’s. And a history of fighting tyrannical behaviour, regardless of party alignment As recently as 1946, in Athens Tennessee. A good portion of America’s people is being repeatedly stomped in the face while having its arms held back, while constantly being taunted Whatcha goin’ do about it?”

    Rex, that’s it, in a nutshell.

  68. Vicki

    Vicki, with her focus on arms, seems to me like an enthusiastic lefty anti-gun zealot just rubbing her hands together in hopeful anticipation of some sort of Armageddon in order to justify her bias.

    Good heavens, no! You clearly haven’t read my various comments (in other threads as well) in which I despair of the way events are trending.

    My background is as an historian, & my focus was the intersection of the military & political careers. So, I guess I’m particularly alert to military uprising from political conflict.

    But no – personally, I am far from a “lefty, anti-gun zealot ” hoping for conflict!

  69. calli

    Chuckle

    All day long, too. That takes real dedication.

  70. BalancedObservation2

    Rex Anger

    Yes! That is what I am saying. Looks like you got it. They should negotiate their way out of this.

    What’s better Rex? Simple question.

  71. Astatine Jones

    Ah yes Galileo, any evidence contrary to the forgone conclusion (or narrative or paradigm) must be wrong. No ifs or buts allowed.

    Come inside, check your brain with the doorman.
    Repeat after me Winston:
    “2+2=5, 2+2=5, 2+2 =5…”
    Over and over and over again. Until you understand the message.

    There you go, not so difficult is it?

  72. BalancedObservation2

    Astatine Jones

    #3722856

    So what’s your answer?

    Do you have any suggestions that might actually help?

  73. BalancedObservation2

    Rex Anger

    #3722827

    “Not a single party has advocated civil war here, comrade.”

    Baa Humbug said this:

    #3722751

    “I recommend Trump become the Soros of the right. Primary every RINO starting in 2022. Not just Federal politicians but state prosecutors, atornies general etc. and take over the GOP.

    The left will get violent (by use of BLM, Antifa or any new iteration) once some of theirs are in the dock and or wearing orange jumpsuits.
    Now you got yourself a hot civil war to sort this mess out one way or the other.

    “We didn’t start the fire. It was already burning.” ”

    Pretty jumbled I must admit but that sounds like support for a civil war to me. Maybe I’m wrong – it is a pretty incoherent remark I’ll grant you.

    And I’m no “comrade” if you mean to imply I’m a communist. And I’m not particularly inclined to be friendly (as in comradely ) to someone like you who wants to continue to rather carelessly throw around accusations questioning my integrity.

  74. BalancedObservation2

    Rex Anger

    I’ve reviewed your posts here and you really have no viable thought through solution.

    You’d rather carelessly and irresponsibly question my integrity and ridicule my simple suggestion. I’ve argued why it’s best. I see no other more convincing arguments but I’m open to listen Rex if you actually have one.

  75. Rex Anger

    Yes! That is what I am saying. Looks like you got it. They should negotiate their way out of this.

    You are still choosing not to listen. Not to us, nor to the very loud signals coming at you 24/7 since late 2015 from the MSM.

    They are not negotiating.

    There is nothing to negotiate.

    Orange Man Bad. And we are going to get him. And everyone else who looks like they support him.

    You cannot negotiate with someone who seeks your annihilation.

  76. BalancedObservation2

    Rex Anger

    And still no solution from you at all.

  77. Rex Anger

    BO2-

    By your admission, you are new to this blog.

    By your admission, you used to comment on The Australian. This is not that sort of blog.

    You will not be censored or banned for wrongthink here. But you will not survive so long as you recite the Narrative, but with a very genteel, bowtie-wearing ‘conservative’ spin on it. The Cats will eat you alive.

    Stay here long enough, and you will either cop enough red pills to grudgingly see and understand the social and political truths the Cat grimly holds as self-evident, or you will at least become brave enough to drop the Concern Troll act as Astatine Jones has…

  78. Rex Anger

    And still no solution from you at all.

    There is no solution, you fool.

    Negotiation and compromise work only so long as both sides are willing to compromise.

    The Democrats and the Establishment have made abundantly clear that they do not.

    And Donald Trump spent 4 years trying.

    He may have employed brinksmanship here and there. But his opponents made it the primary plank of their governing strategy. And here we are.

    Grieve for us all, BO2. Because as they go, so do we…

  79. Astatine Jones

    Do you have any suggestions that might actually help?

    Other than the simple wish that people would rely on real evidence before jumping to conclusions and not be swayed unthinkingly by the emotive and unfounded statements of extremists (and this goes for both sides of the debate/issue/crisis)…….alas, no.

    Oh yeah, and it might be helpful if people weren’t so quick to stereotype and dehumanise ‘the other side’ so readily and completely (and again I make this suggestion broadly). We can all be guilty of this, but some embrace it much more strongly than others.

    Probably a bit too much to ask for though!

  80. BalancedObservation2

    Rex Anger

    I don’t think you represent everyone here as you seem to be trying to imply.

    If what you personally have attempted today is an example I have absolutely nothing to be worried about from you.

    And your careless slurs on my character say far more about you than they say about me. They’re partly a commentary on your inability to argue coherently for one thing.

    And your name calling his puerile.

  81. Astatine Jones

    Yes Rex A, but whether I be a ‘concern troll’ or a MFing cynic, as Oscar Wilde so elegantly put it:
    “Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence.”
    And what this debate sorely needs is some intelligence!

  82. BalancedObservation2

    Astatine Jones

    You need to be specific. Otherwise your remarks carry no import. They’re just general asides.

    Give me any evidence in absolutely anything I’ve said where I’ve “dehumanized” anyone. That’s quite slur to make without evidence.

  83. Rex Anger

    And your careless slurs on my character say far more about you than they say about me. They’re partly a commentary on your inability to argue coherently for one thing.

    OK, we’ll add chronic wrongology to your concern trolling issues…

    And your name calling his puerile.

    Best you grow a thicker skin, and learn to give as good as you get, BO2. As I said, nobody here is banned for wrongthink or being a blue meanie. Else this blog would have no posters…

    I don’t think you represent everyone here as you seem to be trying to imply.

    If what you personally have attempted today is an example I have absolutely nothing to be worried about from you.

    Fascinating that you are only coming after me, where an entire thread of different people
    have said exactly the same thing about your insistence that being nice and negotiating something will make all the animosity go away…

    After all, what can The Donald negotiate? The terms of his imprisonment? Whether his children and grandchildren will be permitted exile? How much of his businesses will go to charity post-confiscation?

    How do you negotiate with people who have lobbed ultimata about invoking the 25th Amendment to force the man from office a week before he is bound to vacate it,and then intorducing articles of Impeachment when the ultimata are ignored?

    Who has not thought this matter through? Me? Or you?

  84. BalancedObservation2

    Rex Anger

    Your name calling and personal smears don’t concern me. They simply weaken what you’re incoherently trying to say.

    Your own posting name seems appropriate. You seem to be getting progressively more angry. That doesn’t actually help the thinking processes and that’s showing in what you’re saying.

    In this last post you seem to be still under the misapprehension that everyone here agrees with you. And that you somehow represent this site.

    I note you’re getting progressively more extreme in your comments too.

  85. BalancedObservation2

    And Rex. You came after me. You need to scroll back and check.

  86. Rex Anger

    And what this debate sorely needs is some intelligence!

    And I am not sure that you or I provide it, let alone the Balanced Observationist…

  87. Rex Anger

    Your own posting name seems appropriate. You seem to be getting progressively more angry. That doesn’t actually help the thinking processes and that’s showing in what you’re saying.

    Good. You are learning something. Give back as good as you can get.

    In this last post you seem to be still under the misapprehension that everyone here agrees with you. And that you somehow represent this site.

    Pretty sure that if you scroll back, you will see similar sentiments across at least 6 or 7 separate posters.

    But what would I know? I’m just that unhinged, incoherent person who can’t argue and be nuanced like you can… 🤪

  88. BalancedObservation2

    Rex

    I didn’t say you were “unhinged”. Where’d you get that from?

    And you came after me. Did you check that? Another false accusation. But unlike you’re questioning of my integrity quite provable.

    Not everyone here agrees with you Rex. Because someone might disagree with me doesn’t mean they agree with you.

    You still seem to have a rather quaint proprietorial attitude about this site. Is it because you’ve been posting for a long time? The impression I get from you is that you seem to believe you represent this site.

    Rex you actually might be surprised how much we agree on. And you never know in future posts we might even agree with each other. I’m not the enemy.

    Look after yourself.

  89. MatrixTransform

    My advice is clearly on the record here, argued at length in English.

    Whats your advice?

    we got ourselves another school teacher here

  90. Lee

    BalancedObservation2, you are making the huge (and I think very mistaken) assumption that Trump is still in a position to negotiate, even if he wanted to – unless he has an ace up his sleeve to hold over the Democrats.
    And why would the Democrats want to negotiate with Trump?
    He has nothing to offer them that they won’t have anyway within a week’s time.
    The Democrats had four years to negotiate or at least meet Trump halfway; all he got was obstruction, invective, hate, and spite from them.

  91. Old School Conservative

    Rex Anger
    #3722962, posted on January 13, 2021 at 4:58 pm
    Grieve for us all, BO2. Because as they go, so do we…

    Absolutely right.
    Here is one of the opening salvos:
    Twitter is not censoring Trump. Free speech is not guaranteed. Katharine Gelber, The University of Queensland (The Conversation)

  92. But what would I know? I’m just that unhinged, incoherent person who can’t argue and be nuanced like you can…

    True dat….

  93. MatrixTransform

    I think you’re underestimating what a powerful statement it would be if Donald Trump and Joe Biden got together to resolve this.

    I think you’re overestimating the power of Kumbaya

  94. MatrixTransform

    shit, theTards here
    BO2 … don’t let him in yr tent

  95. After all, what can The Donald negotiate?

    He can acknowledge his lies (so many, that they defy counting) and walk them back.
    The Big Lie is the important one, if he is fair dinkum about wanting “peace”.

  96. BalancedObservation2

    Lee

    #3723051

    I can understand what you’re saying.

    However Donald Trump got over 70 million votes. Those people are still around. If Joe Biden wants to govern well he needs the support of his country.

    Neither has recently shown any signs of wanting to negotiate – that’s true. They both want to up the ante. They’re both showing a brinkmanship towards events.

    The US is a democracy. The Democrats will have to face the electorate before the next presidential election. If Trump surprises us all and tries to meet with Biden and resolve the crisis it would be a big mistake to rebuff Trump. It would cost the Democrats support.

    I know Biden holds most of the power right now but he doesn’t have a monopoly on it. Leaders in democracies never do.

    Trump’s personal polling is actually improving. He’s still a political force. Biden would get quite a support backlash I believe if he rebuffed peaceful overtures from Trump.

    I don’t think they’ll both step back. But if they do it would provide the best solution for each of them. If Trump unilaterally rebuffed peaceful overtures from Biden it would damage his support too.

    I don’t think it will happen. But it’s still the best way out of this mess.

  97. MatrixTransform

    What I think is that if somebody makes an appearance as the Balanced Observer, then balanced if the very last fucking thing they’re gonna be

    road works = safety upgrades
    staying apart = keeping together

    …I’m calling this one early

  98. BalancedObservation2

    Matrix Transform

    #3723050

    You’re conveniently avoiding the point that I was responding to a comment made in German.

    My advice is all over here. Read it.

  99. Dr Faustus

    we got ourselves another school teacher here

    We got ourselves a chatbot here.

    What do you have against school teachers?

    Is it a reflection of your own lack of education?

    I suspect that’s why you are unable to make a considered point to add to the conversation.

    Gertweeble had hocter prop inex&10œ

    111001 [variable type mismatch error]

  100. MatrixTransform

    My advice is all over here. Read it.

    you vacuous wanker

    look at you posture like nobody reads or understands

    fucking simpleton

  101. MatrixTransform

    What do you have against school teachers?

    I hate them less that mosquitoes

    … that’s a (+)ve right?

  102. Rex Anger

    But what would I know? I’m just that unhinged, incoherent person who can’t argue and be nuanced like you can…

    True dat….

    Takes one to know one, Bobby boy…

  103. Rex Anger

    @ BalancedObserver2-

    You will not be censored or banned for wrongthink here. But you will not survive so long as you recite the Narrative, but with a very genteel, bowtie-wearing ‘conservative’ spin on it. The Cats will eat you alive.

    I tried to warn you…

    Welcome to bare-knuckle blogging. As long as you don’t get clouted by the flying whiskey glasses (and don’t deink any Kool-Aid that 1735099 offers you), you’ll be alright.

  104. MatrixTransform

    listen to this fella floating “kiss and make-up” as if it’s a serious solution to a political (ie: power) problem.

    ffs!

    all the while pretending that it’s a deeply thought out and complete solution

    then it gets busy with “but you don’t understand, you must be stupid” commentary

    Retards are gonna retard

  105. BalancedObservation2

    Matrix Transform

    Are you actually serious?

  106. Squirrel

    The articles on the Biden cabinet picks etc. do have a Heroes of the Soviet Union vibe about them, but it was interesting, nonetheless, to discover in a few clicks Antony Blinken’s connections with Melbourne.

  107. John Brumble

    BO2 – all right, let’s pretend you’re genuine.

    There was a good question that was asked in there:

    “What should Donald Trump negotiate away”?

    And let’s be clear here, it should be something that he actually wants or that he’s actually doing or not doing, not something that the Democrats say he wants or that he’s doing or not doing.

  108. MatrixTransform

    Are you actually serious?

    please explain how Kumbaya will not only start the healing, but ultimately complete the healing

    try not to sound like the Underpants Gnomes from Southpark

  109. BalancedObservation2

    John Bumble

    #3723155

    “And let’s be clear here, it should be something that he actually wants or that he’s actually doing or not doing, not something that the Democrats say he wants or that he’s doing or not doing.”

    Do you know what that means? I don’t.

    And if I did why would I answer a question from someone who doesn’t think I’m genuine.

  110. John Brumble

    Ah, well in that case, I return to my initial position on another thread.

    Get bent Googlery.

  111. BalancedObservation2

    TransformMatrix

    “Fucking simpleton”
    “Vacuous wanker”
    … etc.

    A quick look at comments here and it’s interesting to note that the above comments apply most appropriately to the person who’s actually making them.

    There’s absolutely no doubt about that.

  112. John Brumble

    I see Hilarious has come up with the traditional leftist answer of “just do everything we say and we can have peace”.

  113. B.O.2:

    jupes:
    Totally irrelevant comment.

    Totally relevant, you idiot.
    All you are doing is “Pox on Both Their Houses” line of contrarianism.
    You are really saying “Shut Up and Let Me Rape You Quietly.”

  114. BalancedObservation2

    MatrixTransform

    Second thoughts. I might be being a bit unfair to the average “vacuous wanker” and “Fucking Simpleton”.

  115. MatrixTransform

    A quick look at comments here and it’s interesting to note that the above comments apply most appropriately to the person who’s actually making them.

    correction … schoolgirl

    Biden and Trump will hold hands … and then world peace

    like

  116. MatrixTransform

    Second thoughts. I might be being a bit unfair to the average “vacuous wanker” and “Fucking Simpleton”.

    Geez, that was fast
    what happened to your higher principles?

  117. MatrixTransform

    maybe BO2, you should start again.

  118. Rex Anger

    @ Matrix-
    maybe BO2, you should start again

    Musical accompaniment? 😉

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=96rC4X_KWl4

  119. BalancedObservation2

    WinstonSmith

    #3723244

    An even more irrelevant and incoherent comment than the one from jupes.

    Are you in competition with jupes?

    It would be a close call but I think you’d win.
    You get the slight advantage for the degree of nastiness in your comment.

    And you think I’m an “idiot”? You take the prize there too, I’m afraid.

  120. Holy shit! It’s the Mother of all Infestations!
    All we need is monty and Bird to have a full house!

  121. BalancedObservation2

    MatrixTransform

    Is that all you’ve got?

    You’ll have to try a lot harder.

  122. MatrixTransform

    the degree of nastiness in your comment

    another victim

    gawd it’s tiresome

  123. BalancedObservation2

    Winston Smith

    #3723272

    You still hold the record. You just topped yourself on incoherence.

    “Holy shit! It’s the Mother of all Infestations!
    All we need is monty and Bird to have a full house!”

    Whatever that means.

    Is that all you’ve got?
    Like Matrix you’ll have to try a lot harder.

  124. MatrixTransform

    Look BO2, its’s the underpants gnome thing that bothers me

    you need some flesh on those on those bones

  125. BalancedObservation2

    Matrix Transform

    Your clearly the victim. You simply keep shooting yourself in the foot.

    And your nasty comments are like water off a ducks back to me.

    You really have got much have you?

  126. BalancedObservation2

    Matrix Transform

    I said try harder.

    You’re cutting it less the more you persist.

  127. MatrixTransform

    how does Biden and Trump holing hands fix everything?

  128. MatrixTransform

    silence
    it’s because yr an idiot that’s been told yr whole life that holding hands and *wishing will solve everything.
    that commenting on the Strayan will remove obligation, responsibility and accountability

    you fucking moron
    you chose to swallow the simplistic rubbish that was stuffed down yr throat
    everything is now at stake

    what shits me most is that cvnts like you with nothing to lose and everything to gain buy into the gibberish

    you’re the problem you simplistic fuckwit

  129. Astatine Jones

    BO2:
    Give me any evidence in absolutely anything I’ve said where I’ve “dehumanized” anyone. That’s quite slur to make without evidence.

    No evidence required because I didn’t accuse you of anything, unless you are identifying as the collective noun of ‘people’ in the quite general statement I made.

    And no I don’t need to be more specific either, I’m perfectly happy with general asides that carry no import to anyone but me. You asked the question first and I attempted to answer!

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