With Trump it’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault

While Trump is living in LaLa Land fuming about a ‘stolen election’ and all of his erstwhile supporters who have failed him, I doubt he will ever come to the realisation that the election loss is his own responsibility, even though everyone else on the planet can see clearly that he is the architect of his own demise.

Let’s count the people he has blamed over the last four years: Mike Pence, Rudi Giuliani, the people he incited to riot on the 6th – his own supporters no less, William Barr, Jeff Sessions, Steve Bannon, Reince Priebus, John Kelly, Rex Tillerson, Mike Pompeo, Jim Mattis, Kirisjen Nielsen, Nikki Haley, Mitch McConnell, Neil Gorsuch,Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Republican Governors, Republican Congressmen and Senators, Mick Mulvaney, Kellyanne Conway, H.R. McMaster, and many, many more. In fact Donald Trump has had a staff turnover rate more than double any previous president.

Every credible authority – and conservatives are supposed to defend institutions – especially the Courts (including numerous Trump appointees) and those with responsibilities of Office have found NO evidence to support the ‘stolen election’ claim. It’s very easy for this blog or that blog or commentator to make wild claims based on a fiction, but when it comes to presenting evidence in Court – and there have been over 60 Court cases ALL of which went against Trump – where one can be convicted of perjury we find no evidence at all.

Similarly when it comes to sophistry like saying that the riot (and it was a violent riot by any definition) was caused by Antifa and the like is not supported by evidence. There are numerous cameras and facial recognition and if Antifa was involved they will be charged with criminal offenses like so many MAGA people are being charged now.

It takes some wild conspiracy theory about the deep state infecting all of the public institutions to think otherwise. A degree of conspiracy that is just not credible.

But Occam’s Razor is the correct way of thinking this through – the simplest explanation is usually the best. And the conclusions are inevitable and reliable:

  • Donald Trump was the architect of his own loss
  • Donald Trump trashed his legacy and his misbehaviour led to the election of Joe Biden and a majority of democrats in both houses of Congress
  • Donald Trump lost the election by a substantial margin
  • Donald Trump incited the riot on 6 January – this was the final straw which has alienated some of his most erstwhile supporters and will lead to an ever greater aversion to his period in office
  • History will view Donald Trump as one of, if not the, worst president in US history, a man who was incapable of acting as a balanced chief executive, was narcissistic to a degree unprecedented since Narcissus
  • The four years of his administration are the wasted years – the lost opportunity for a democratic market economy
  • Even his most rusted on supporters will desert him after 20 January. To have worked in the White House of Donald Trump will not be seen as a badge of honour, but a mark of dishonour
  • Donald Trump, finally, has ruined the political prospects of his family. That concerns me not, for they are smarmy unethical and unprincipled parasites

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192 Responses to With Trump it’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault

  1. Chris M says:

    Vile troll alert.

  2. incoherent rambler says:

    Do you dream of DJT Luscious?

    Do you have difficulty distinguishing between the dreams and reality?

  3. Some History says:

    With the Democraps, it’s always someone else’s fault.

  4. eb says:

    Talking about Occam’s Razor….

    With the amount of statistical anomalies in this election result, together with obviously useless opponent PDT was up against, the simplest explanation is that the election was stolen!

  5. Damon says:

    You forget that the Georgia State Senate accepted that here was provable evidence of fraud.

  6. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    Look Chris M and incoherent rambler, even you have to admit that some of his greatest supporters have deserted him.

    And, by the way, in terms of people changing their minds, let’s not forget that Steve Kates was the number 1 supporter of Mitt Romney when he was running for president – but now can’t stand Romney because he dared say that Trump had no clothes.

    You can ignore the facts if you like, but Trump trashed his own legacy and that’s crystal clear

  7. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    I love you too MH

  8. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    Damon – and later the same Senate changed its mind. Also in Georgia every Court case (and there were 15) failed QED

  9. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    Trump probably would have won if he hadn’t alienated so many people. If he had kept his mouth shut sometimes. But he can’t help himself. Perhaps that is a tragedy

  10. egg_ says:

    smarmy unethical and unprincipled parasites

    Perfect fodder for the Dems?

  11. Daily llama says:

    Re the Georgia Senate- Actually, no, they didn’t. Going through Lucy’s list- they won’t believe you no matter what. Harder to prove something didn’t happen, than proving it did. I too keep waiting for the proof, and all we get over and over is garbage from garbage websites

  12. Penny says:

    You love him really!!

  13. new guy says:

    Fuck off.

  14. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    Harder to prove something didn’t happen, than proving it did. I too keep waiting for the proof,

    That’s right Daily llama, it’s harder to prove that the election was fair than to prove that there was election fraud

  15. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    I love new guy too

  16. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    egg_ – yes, Jared and Ivanka are basically Democrats

  17. Daily llama says:

    I’ve never understood the hero worship that renders even intelligent people like most Cats incapable of accepting Trump’s defeat. Why are you so bonkers?

  18. stackja says:

    More TDS. Biden is without fault?

  19. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    Mike Pence for President in 2024 – at least the man is rational, composed, stable, loyal and follows the Constitution

  20. John Comnenus says:

    Trump’s greatest power was to get people to reveal who they really are. Pretty sure Trump asked his supporters to protest patriotically and peacefully. Not sure how that is incitement.

    I look forward to your explanation as to why the corporate entities are using their power to completely deplatform all meaningful political opposition. I guess it’s all ok if a private entity, which receives a massive get out of jail free card from all tax payers in the form of sect 230, enforces the preferred politics of one party against others, often at the behest of Democrat congressmen and senators. I guess it’s ok to deny banking, email, server, legal and other services to anyone who supported or worked for Trump. It’s already ok to kill Trump supporters in Portland, where a Trump supporter is shot on film, and the victim is unarmed and not interacting in anyway with the shooter. Portland didn’t even open an investigation. I guess it’s ok to mow down Trump supporters with a car, and even when the driver says he did it because they were Trump supporters, no charges were pressed. You are fine with companies and authorities enforcing the total destruction of the political rivals of those in power. Now where was the last time we saw that business model – try Germany circa 1935. This is what you prefer to Trump. I can only assume you prefer that to Trump because you are a fascist.

  21. Vicki says:

    Occam’s Razor may apply to many puzzles of the natural world, but it does not always – even often – apply to the complicated factors in human interactions.

    Trump’s personality type was undoubtedly instrumental in the unyielding opposition he is facing, but it was also instrumental in the successes (& they are many) of his presidency. That is the enigma. Face it.

  22. Armadillo says:

    You can actually smell the fear.

  23. Some History says:

    John Comnenus
    #3724317, posted on January 14, 2021 at 7:00 pm

    +1

  24. Bronson says:

    Fuck off you confederate phony

  25. Vicki says:

    Mike Pence for President in 2024 – at least the man is rational, composed, stable, loyal and follows the Constitution

    Unassuming, likeable, blah blah. President in deeply troubled times? Hell no!

    Would much prefer a fighter like Mike Pompeio. Yes, he was a Director of the CIA – but in respect to what a modern US President has to deal with – I think that might be an advantage.

  26. JohnM says:

    A plain statement of the reality. No doubt some will offer the usual red herrings. It is time for a lot of people to accept that Trump is a conman who is now walking away from the people who bought what he sold.

  27. Archivist says:

    Damon – and later the same Senate changed its mind. Also in Georgia every Court case (and there were 15) failed QED

    Evidence of vote fraud has not been presented in any court. The relevant cases have all been dismissed, on issues like jurisdiction. Here’s the list. Go ahead and see if you find one in which Trump’s lawyers presented their evidence of electoral fraud.

  28. Mustapha Bunn says:

    John Comnenus..
    +100.

  29. Damon says:

    “the same Senate changed its mind”
    Like a jury changes its mind? Please elaborate.

  30. 1735099 says:

    With the amount of statistical anomalies in this election result,

    Specify these anomalies.

  31. Vicki says:

    John Comnenus at 7pm- fantastic post.

  32. Damon says:

    “Evidence of vote fraud has not been presented in any court.”
    I am not aware of any courts that have actually accepted evidence.

  33. RobK says:

    Luci loves Trump.
    We live in interesting times.
    I wonder what Trump has learned over the past 4 years. Perhaps there is a protégée in the wings.
    There is a vacuum waiting to be filled. If nothing else that will be a Trump legacy noted by history.
    They all need to lift their game.

  34. Damon says:

    Cases have simply been dismissed on procedural grounds.

  35. Archivist says:

    “Evidence of vote fraud has not been presented in any court.”
    I am not aware of any courts that have actually accepted evidence.

    They haven’t. They’ve refused the hear the cases.
    The supreme court will hear some of the cases, during 2021. God knows what will happen if they find in favour of Trump.

  36. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    John Comnenus

    Such binary thinking. I oppose Trump and I oppose fascism. How can you possibly think they are related? So everyone who dislikes Trump is a fascist in your book? That’s like saying anyone who opposes the BLM movement is a racist.

    As for incitement – his language (before the riot) was quite clearly about being strong and marching and claiming back the ‘stolen’ election. Read his own words:

    “We will stop the steal”
    “We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen”
    “You don’t concede when there’s theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore.”
    “If you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore”
    “We are going to the Capitol”

    Pretty clearly incitement

  37. Steve trickler says:
  38. dover_beach says:

    the people he incited to riot on the 6th

    LOL. It’s not merely that you cannot furnish anything from his speech that would constitute incitement, its that even the NYT is admitting the Capitol area was breached before Trump’s speech on the ellipse finished and the Capitol building was breached before those that marched from his speech could walk the 45 mins from the White House to the Capitol building. AP is also reporting that the investigations are indicating that those that entered the building had pre-planned their entry.

    At the moment, the claim that Trump incited insurrection is grounded solely on his disputing the conduct of the election in six states.

  39. Rex Anger says:

    Specify these anomalies.

    They have been specified repeatedly by many US and International players.

    You choose to ignore them.

    Because for every indivodual of your ilk (including Lucy), DJT and anyone who dares agree with him (let alone support him) is a Class Enemy that must be crushed at any cost.

    Piss off and whistle The Internationale through the holes Bob Menzies left behind on your behind, Bobby boy…

  40. Damon says:

    No judges, not even those on the Supreme Court, care for rioters parked on their front lawns.

  41. 1735099 says:

    Go ahead and see if you find one in which Trump’s lawyers presented their evidence of electoral fraud.

    From your link.
    Arizona –

    Lawsuit seeking de-certification of Arizona results, litigated by Sidney Powell. The judge ruled that the plaintiffs lacked legal standing; their fraud allegations were vague and implausible, and their evidence was unreliable or irrelevant.

    Pennsylvania –

    Supreme Court appeal of multiple Pennsylvania lawsuits. Petition for a writ of certiorari filed with response due January 22, 2021. Motion of Constitutional Attorneys for leave to file amicus brief submitted. Amicus brief of Todd C. Bank submitted.

  42. Rex Anger says:

    Specify these anomalies.

    They have been specified repeatedly by many US and International players.

    You choose to ignore them.

    Because for every indivodual of your ilk (including Lucy), DJT and anyone who dares agree with him (let alone support him) is a Class Enemy that must be crushed at any cost.

    Piss off and whistle The Internationale through the holes Bob Menzies left behind on your behind, Bobby boy…

  43. dover_beach says:

    “We will stop the steal”
    “We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen”
    “You don’t concede when there’s theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore.”
    “If you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore”
    “We are going to the Capitol”

    Pretty clearly incitement

    This is ridiculous. None of those statements rises to the level of incitement. FFS, Hewson’s election slogan in ’93 was FIGHTBACK.

  44. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    Evidence of vote fraud has not been presented in any court. The relevant cases have all been dismissed, on issues like jurisdiction. Here’s the list. Go ahead and see if you find one in which Trump’s lawyers presented their evidence of electoral fraud.

    This red herring has been trotted out so many times by Trump’s defenders. The fact is the Trump lawyers didn’t have any evidence to present – they had the opportunity but didn’t avail themselves. Because they knew that mere assertions without solid backing could take them into contempt of court proceedings. You can call them all rejected for procedural grounds, but another way is to think about why so many Trump appointees to the Courts acted exactly the same way – the simplest explanation is that they didn’t see any strong evidence. It takes a rather strong imagination to think that all of these judges suddenly turned on the Donald because of a conspiracy

  45. Lee says:

    Trump’s greatest power was to get people to reveal who they really are. Pretty sure Trump asked his supporters to protest patriotically and peacefully. Not sure how that is incitement.

    LQC, in his demented, foam-flecked hatred of Trump just made that up, or is parroting the leftist line.

    I am not aware of any courts that have actually accepted evidence.

    That’s because they haven’t, but LQC won’t tell you that, or is totally ignorant. (I am guessing the latter.)

  46. Archivist says:

    I oppose Trump and I oppose fascism. How can you possibly think they are related? So everyone who dislikes Trump is a fascist in your book? That’s like saying anyone who opposes the BLM movement is a racist.

    Unlike John Comnenus I don’t think you’re a fascist. I rather suspect that, like almost everyone, you have been trusting the mainstream media to tell you everything you need to know. There were some very big stories in America in 2020 that, weirdly, barely got a blip on the news coverage. (since you ask, we could start with the riots in Chicago, Seattle, and Portland).

  47. Karabar says:

    I would love to be there to see Luci’s reaction on the 19th! I am sure he will be quite shocked!
    We’ll all find out why then.

  48. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    dover_beach they read like incitement to me and to many republicans who have now rejected Trump and voted to impeach him

  49. Archivist says:

    The fact is the Trump lawyers didn’t have any evidence to present – they had the opportunity but didn’t avail themselves.

    In which court case did they have that opportunity? Honest question.

  50. David says:

    Sounds like Kevin Rudd. It’s Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison, News Limited x 1000, Julia Gillard, Wayne Swan, Lindsay Tanner, Nicola Roxon, Tony Burke, Bill Shorten, Simon Crean, Peter Garrett, and…Donald Trump’s fault the greatest moral challenge of our time hasn’t been addressed. And why of course he’s not still PM.

    Yep exactly like drugs in sport. Example cycling – Lance, Ivan and Jan never tested positive. Very few journalists challenged them at the time, but there was talk. Conspiracy theories apparently. Was there no fraud?

  51. Exit Stage Right says:

    Sinc is just playing you along Lucy.
    It’s all about the clicks. (I’m contributing).
    Let’s see what you have to say this time next week.

  52. HGS says:

    This is the most bizarre thing I have read in decades. What ever side of the fence you sit, there is enough for reasoned and thoughtful discussion, but this stuff from LQC is childish ranting. There is actually nothing to answer, it is so far fetched.

  53. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    David – yes Trump reminds me of Rudd. They have similar personalities

  54. BrettW says:

    A bit hard when all the media does is report negative stories, not report the good and suppress negative stories about his opponent. The Hunter Biden laptop story alone should have been an election changer but it was ridiculed and suppressed by mainstream media.

    Sorry Sinc but this poster only seems to turn up to troll.

    “even though everyone else on the planet can see clearly that he is the architect of his own demise”

  55. miltonf says:

    Did Lucy just dump in her depends? Like Savva?

  56. Steve trickler says:

    Pretty clearly incitement

    Because he used the words, fight like hell? It is, innit?…idiot. Based on the circumstances, everything he said is fine.

    Maxine Waters is the perfect example of someone inciting violence. Undeniable.

  57. dover_beach says:

    This red herring has been trotted out so many times by Trump’s defenders. The fact is the Trump lawyers didn’t have any evidence to present – they had the opportunity but didn’t avail themselves.

    Hang on, if your case is rejected on laches which prevents you from arguing your case and presenting your evidence, how does that mean that Trump’s lawyers ‘had the opportunity but didn’t avail themselves’?

    Let us also recall in the PA Act 77 case the trial judge said that Parnell/ Kelly’s lawyers likely established that Act 77 was unconstitutional and instituted an temporary injunction, but then two days later ,on the Saturday, the PA Supreme Court rushed in and dismissed the case on laches, arguing they brought the case too late. However, when Trump’s lawyers disputed changes to Act 77 made by the PA Secretary of State before the election, the PA Supreme Court not only dismissed the case for lack of standing, arguing that Trump’s campaign had not suffered any concrete harm yet so their claim was merely speculative, it also made its own amendments to Act 77 that further altered the conduct of the election in PA.

  58. BrettW says:

    I no longer believe the issue is about Trump. I have Democrat derangement syndrome.

    Call me old fashioned but I prefer to use the words mother, father, son and daughter when talking about family members. Pelosi thinks this is inappropriate and does not want the words used in Congress.

    I believe all people should be treated equally. The incoming President has made it clear that his priority is that women and non whites will be ahead of white males.

    A party that allows Eric Sawell (ie. compromised by Chinese spy) to remain on the Intelligence Committee and also handle Trumps impeachment is showing contempt towards its citizens.

    I could go on but you probably get the idea.

  59. 1735099 says:

    They have been specified repeatedly by many US and International players.

    You should have no problem, then, in specifying them here.

  60. Boambee John says:

    and conservatives are supposed to defend institutions

    Although I am reluctant to contribute to another LQC trollfest, this statement cannot pass unchallenged.

    Conservatives defend institutions with proven value. The ABC is an institution, but few conservatives would defend it. The Victorian judicial system is also an institution, how many here would defend it? Further afield, the Chinese Communist Party is an institution, why would conservatives defend it?

    I have not yet read the comments, so apologies to any who might have made this point earlier.

    LQC might also look up the definition of “erstwhile”. The phrase “alienated some of his most erstwhile supporters” is a nonsense.

  61. 1735099 says:

    Because he used the words, fight like hell? It is, innit?…idiot. Based on the circumstances, everything he said is fine.

    What circumstances?
    The circumstances that a mob, who had been fed misinformation for months that the election had been stolen, and who had armed themselves, with a variety of weapons including tear gas and flash-bangs, and dressed in combat gear, including helmets and carrying zip-ties, had gathered outside the Capitol.
    Did he believe they were there to applaud politely as the certification went through?
    Or that the zip-ties were provided to repair the pot-plants in the building?
    He may have an excuse that he wasn’t aware of this, but it turns out he was, and watched the whole thing unfold on TV, and then washed his hands of it, so that Pence had to take over.
    Yep – there were “circumstances”.

  62. Mark M says:

    He should blame the Russians, too!

    Hillary did.

  63. Snotball says:

    Who is this moron?

  64. gavalanche says:

    i think there are some surprises still in store.
    if djt is the devil then he is that devil we need – the absolute absence of hypocrisy
    as kazantzakis says – angels are simply refined devils
    the difference between trump and the swamp is that the swamp has not refined itself very much
    rather it has just sunk deeper int the mire
    djt has risen to the challenge in his country’s time of desperate need
    and 75 soon
    history will be very kind to donald j trump
    of this i am sure
    but let us not divide ourselves further. the swamp wants civil war – that is its only way to victory now.
    hold the line!
    all will see the picture soon
    and forgiveness is what makes us christian

  65. Some History says:

    Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
    #3724315, posted on January 14, 2021 at 7:00 pm
    Mike Pence for President in 2024

    There is no 2024 “as usual”. Even this year things are going to alter radically. The Swamp, through the Democraps, has given us a glimpse into the fascism coming. Put up any opposition to us and you’ll be cancelled… seriously cancelled. And with the Democraps in power it’s full speed ahead towards international fascism – the International Swamp – through the “Great Reset”. Much damage is going to be done in a short time.

  66. candy says:

    LQC like a lot of Lefties always presume to know what’s in the minds of Trump supporters. as if.

  67. Rex Anger says:

    You should have no problem, then, in specifying them here.

    No Jack Hunt.

    You are the defender of Biden’s Big Lie.

    It is on you. And you alone.

    There are none so blind, as who will not see…

  68. John Brumble says:

    Some History: and these idiots will still blame Trump for it.

    “Look what you made me do!”

  69. Tel says:

    Joy-Ann Reid threatens a fellow employee with violence.

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/msnbcs-joy-reid-threatened-colleague-with-violence-was-homophobic-during-her-radio-days-ex-bosses-say

    Same woman also made excuses for the gunman when Rep. Steve Scalise (look it up) … get’s away with it because of massive double standards.

  70. Boambee John says:

    gavalanche

    angels are simply refined devils

    Surely it is the opposite – devils are corrupted angels?

  71. David says:

    On voter fraud and the courts.

  72. Tel says:

    Cory Booker never got busted for the violence that he incited against Rand Paul … never even apologized.

    https://www.randpaul.news/2018-10-09-rand-paul-family-receiving-death-threats-democrat-cory-booker-intimidation.html

  73. dover_beach says:

    Even his most rusted on supporters will desert him after 20 January.

    Hmm. Latest Axios-Ipsos poll, so you can argue this presents the worst cas for Trump:

    Republicans across the U.S. are siding with President Trump over Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell — big time — according to a new Axios-Ipsos poll.

    The state of play: A majority of Republicans still think Trump was right to challenge his election loss, support him, don’t blame him for the Capitol mob and want him to be the Republican nominee in 2024.

    Also note the McConnell’s idiocy in the last month leading to the Georgia run-off lost the Senate for the Republicans. 300K deplorables stayed home in disgust. They also were underwhelmed by appallingness of Perdue and Loeffler.

  74. Igor says:

    Must we be exposed to this crap?
    It’s everywhere else with perpetually deranged.

  75. Tailgunner says:

    Lucius, will you undertake to disappear forever from this place when you’re proven wrong in a few days?

  76. dover_beach says:

    Tel, have you forgotten James Hodgkinson? Funny how the attempted assassination of House Republicans in 2017 by a Sanders volunteer was passed over in relative silence.

  77. egg_ says:

    I wonder what Trump has learned over the past 4 years. Perhaps there is a protégée in the wings.
    There is a vacuum waiting to be filled. If nothing else that will be a Trump legacy noted by history.
    They all need to lift their game.

    +1

    The legacy of Trump666, just like Abbott666.

  78. gavalanche says:

    hiya john…btw i hang out a lot in bello….
    aye from an old testament standpoint u r correct
    but these truths do not exclude each other
    lucifer represents the positive, necessary, individuating aspect of the devil
    lucifer is associated with venus – the light bringer
    lucifer only becomes satan when he denies others the same ‘light’ as himself
    in jungian terms this is called inflation – the ego hijacks the self.
    lucifer is cast down to earth – a corrupted angel as you say
    but he is therefore the ‘human all too human’ aspect of deity
    and remember he was/is gods closest angel
    the story of job for example
    we must rebel in order to individuate – to differentiate ourselves from the herd
    lucifer is the archetypal rebel
    we need the devil as much as god
    to be whole
    by trying to be ‘good’ instead we simply cause evil to rise
    through our own hypocrisy…the real ‘evil’ is fakeness, the conscious lie.
    the good takes care of itself naturally
    when we are no longer divided in ourselves
    https://hermetrix.wordpress.com – if you intrested, i writing about this at moment

  79. Tel says:

    Senator Tim Kaine called for Democrats to “fight in the streets”, not long before the riot at UC Berkeley.

    https://www.independentsentinel.com/sen-kaines-son-woody-charged-criminally-rioted-antifa-march/

    Oh, there’s his son getting arrested for street fighting alongside black hooded Antifa goons … figures. What punishment for this crime? Surprisingly light $150 fine … figures.

  80. Indolent says:

    I read the first sentence and didn’t both with the rest. You’re the one living in la la land.

  81. Armadillo says:

    Funny how the attempted assassination of House Republicans in 2017 by a Sanders volunteer was passed over in relative silence.

    The hypocrites are still bitching about JFK all these years later.

  82. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    I wonder if LQC will ever work out that (a) the election WAS stolen (something which I predicted some time ago because of the Left believing that anything is justified to save the world) and (b) everything he’s read in the MSM about Trump is a lie (pretty much).

    He should go back to his farm and raise truffles and artichokes like a good little mushroom.

  83. pbw says:

    i was wondering when Lucy would be back. Mitch McConnell is considering allowing a vote on the Trump impeachment, specifically as a way of preventing a TRiUMPhal Trump return in four years. Supporting impeachment would be the last, lowest act of a political rat. His wife showed the way by being the first Cabinet deserter. That’s why I was expecting to hear from rebuild-the-GOP Lucille. I think he may actually be a card-carrying Democrat. If so, you have to allow him some grudging admiration, and you can’t question his acumen. He wants to see the complete destruction of the GOP, and if there’s one way to ensure it, that way is to impeach Trump.

    That’s most unlikely. He is probably, unfortunately, just what he seems – a NeverTrumper who has been fuming about Trump’s win for the last four years, bitterly resentful that Hillarious lost to such a distasteful candidate as Trump, and robbed him of four years of pointing out H’s shortcomings, while praising her for those things of which a libertarian can approve, thereby demonstrating the superiority of those principled GOPpers whose personal circumstances insulate them from the chaos visited by a comprador ruling class on the peons.

  84. David says:

    The incitement argument doesn’t hold up legally, and shouldn’t politically either. History is written by the ‘winners’ as they say though. The language he used is part of the standard political discourse in the US. If Trump is guilty, then so is very virtually every politician and media outlet. For instance the media is constantly trying to incite the population by injecting race into every criminal matter.

  85. gavalanche says:

    john,
    the devil can only return to heaven through the human
    we redeem the devil through taking responsibility for the evil of the world, instead of projecting it on others
    the circuit must be complete for god to live again
    the devil was banished to hades 1000 years ago and has become a fairytale
    but evil is not a fairytale
    as we well know
    the devil’s banishment must end
    the human must bear the weight and responsibility of evil…contained and tempered within himself
    this is also the mythology of stephen donaldsons ‘thomas covenant’ series.

  86. Roger says:

    While Trump is living in LaLa Land fuming about a ‘stolen election’ and all of his erstwhile supporters who have failed him, I doubt he will ever come to the realisation that the election loss is his own responsibility, even though everyone else on the planet can see clearly that he is the architect of his own demise.

    70 000 000 + bona fide American voters say otherwise.

    Why, even c. 10% of Democrats think the election was fraudulent.

    Those people aren’t going to disappear overnight, Lucius.

    Which means both the Democrats & the GOP have problems looking ahead to 2024.

  87. Nicholas (Unlicensed Joker) Gray says:

    LQC has got it right. I think Trump lost fair and square. I don’t like the Democrats, nor Biden, and I don’t like Trump. This is not the end of the world. I think Biden will be very mediocre. If the Republicans can find a charming candidate, they might win. Let us all hope so.

  88. John Brumble says:

    Gunner-will you?

  89. John Brumble says:

    David – it would be nice to think so, and I agree but…

    What’s the bet the Democrats stack the courts all the way through? I’ve a feeling this is why they are making excuses for not taking through the senate immediately. They want to stack the courts first.

  90. 1735099 says:

    You are the defender of Biden’s Big Lie.

    It’s Trump’s lie.
    Defend it with evidence.

  91. Rex Anger says:

    No Jack Hunt.

    You.

    You have a whole MSM’s worth of propaganda and trollshit to play in.

    Go!

  92. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    LOL. Stick a bag over your head Nicholas Joker. The rigging and fraud was blatant. The statistical data is bleeding obvious to anyone with an iota of understanding of data. For goodness sake you could see it happening live on CNN as votes came off the Trump tally and were added to the Biden tally. Then there were the printed votes from China, the Biden votes scanned in multiple times, the GOP scrutineers who were illegally excluded and even the windows papered over so they couldn’t see in. Then there’s the woman who was indicted today for buying votes on behalf of the Dens for $6 each – thousands of them. And she was only caught because of Project Veritas. The FBI is studiously knowing nothing – a corrupt organization that has been unjustly hounding Trump for four years with zero result. The courts are yet to even examine any of the evidence, of which there is a vast abundance.

    If the bureaucracy in the US has traded law and justice for expediency and mythology (green dreams) then the US will be a fascist state very like Germany in the thirties and forties. That regime had nutty beliefs and no compunction of railroading themselves into power, nor any compunctions of persecuting opponents – as we are already seeing all over America as Trump supporters are cancelled, losing their jobs and businesses. The Democrats are evil, change my mind.

  93. Bela Bartok says:

    Is this the Catallaxy Files or ABC? I can’t tell.

  94. Crossie says:

    Call me old fashioned but I prefer to use the words mother, father, son and daughter when talking about family members. Pelosi thinks this is inappropriate and does not want the words used in Congress.

    BrettW, Pelosi also insists that she is a Catholic so I wonder how she says the Lord’s Prayer. Saying Our Father must really stick in her throat. Is it Our Parent Number One? What about Hail Mary, is it Parent Two of God?

    What worries me is that making fun of this stupidity is so easy but it still gets encoded into laws which force it on everybody. Every leftie is dangerous but powerful lefties are deadly not just for culture and civilisation but for livelihoods and lives.

  95. grazza says:

    Well summarised Lucius – also the infantile Trump has passed on the nasty gene to his son who has been threatening Republicans.

  96. Crossie says:

    If the bureaucracy in the US has traded law and justice for expediency and mythology (green dreams) then the US will be a fascist state very like Germany

    It already is, 6th January was the start date, they had the fake election in November and the fake Reichstag Fire last week. The Big Tech and the Swamp have come out in the open.

  97. Old School Conservative says:

    they read like incitement to me

    Not walking back your unequivocal analysis already?

  98. Jonesy says:

    Donald Trump: (01:11:44)
    Our brightest days are before us, our greatest achievements still wait. I think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody until I came along, had any idea how corrupt our elections were. And again, most people would stand there at 9:00 in the evening and say, “I want to thank you very much,” and they go off to some other life, but I said, “Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.” And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

    Donald Trump: (01:12:21)
    Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans for our movement, for our children and for our beloved country and I say this, despite all that’s happened, the best is yet to come.

    Donald Trump: (01:12:43)
    So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

    Donald Trump: (01:13:19)
    So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.

    ?
    LQC, which speech did you copy? Or are you selectively choosing passages like a good little propagandist

  99. Armadillo says:

    Is this the Catallaxy Files or ABC? I can’t tell.

    The left have the entire Twittersphere, Facebook, Google and MSM playground to themselves.

    Sinc seems to believe they are entitled to more.

  100. David says:

    John Brumble – you’re right. The Democrats will try to manoeuvre the case to a friendly judge and where the jury pool is solidly left leaning. Under those conditions, you could get Mother Teresa convicted.

    Suspect they also want to delay the trial to closer to the mid-terms. Refresh people’s short memories. More political mileage that way.

  101. rickw says:

    Strange how Lucy is getting just as unhinged as Demonrats when Trump is essentially “done”.

  102. Jonesy says:

    Chanting crowds start to gather on both sides of the building at around 13:10, grappling with police at the metal barricades.

    Donald Trump: (01:13:19)
    So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.

    ? Is there a different time zone inside DC?

  103. 1735099 says:

    The rigging and fraud was blatant.

    What was blatant was Trump lying about election fraud, a technique he employed before the 2016 poll.

    The statistical data is bleeding obvious to anyone with an iota of understanding of data.

    Deviation from Benford’s Law does not prove election fraud took place.

    For goodness sake you could see it happening live on CNN as votes came off the Trump tally and were added to the Biden tally.

    I was watching CNN and saw no such thing. Try Specsavers.

    Then there were the printed votes from China

    The Chinese don’t get to vote in US elections.

    The Biden votes scanned in multiple times.

    There is no foundation for this allegation.

    the GOP scrutineers who were illegally excluded and even the windows papered over so they couldn’t see in.

    Witnesses deny this. It’s another fabrication.

    Then there’s the woman who was indicted today for buying votes on behalf of the Dens for $6 each –

    Trump lost by 7 million votes. I doubt she has made that much difference.

    The FBI is studiously knowing nothing – a corrupt organization that has been unjustly hounding Trump for four years with zero result.

    As the thread indicates, Trump has blamed just about every institution. The FBI is one of many. He was defeated because most Yanks had a gutful of his lies and narcissism.

    The courts are yet to even examine any of the evidence, of which there is a vast abundance.

    There are lots of allegations, but no evidence. That’s why the court cases fell in a heap.

    If the bureaucracy in the US has traded law and justice for expediency and mythology (green dreams) then the US will be a fascist state very like Germany in the thirties and forties.

    The US is an oligarchy, not a fascist state. Having said that, Trump’s brand of hyper nationalistic authoritarianism was steering it in that direction. They’ve dodged a bullet.

    That regime had nutty beliefs

    Trump’s supporters have a mortgage on “nutty beliefs”. They include that 5G carries Covid 19, that Hillary Clinton was involved in trafficking children using Pizza outlets as a front, and that lizard people are controlling the Democrats.

    and no compunction of railroading themselves into power,

    The only “railroading” was Trump’s attempt to pressure Pence and the congress to refuse to certify the Electoral College votes, the will of the American people.

    nor any compunctions of persecuting opponents – as we are already seeing all over America as Trump supporters are cancelled, losing their jobs and businesses.

    What has been cancelled is the capacity of amoral individuals to monetize hate.

    The Democrats are evil, change my mind.

    First, there has to be the presence of a “mind” to change – doubtful in this instance.

  104. Rex Anger says:

    If the bureaucracy in the US has traded law and justice for expediency and mythology (green dreams) then the US will be a fascist state very like Germany

    It already is, 6th January was the start date, they had the fake election in November and the fake Reichstag Fire last week. The Big Tech and the Swamp have come out in the open.

    Which poor bastard gets to be Poland?

    The Canucks better gear up and Stand To…

  105. Andrew says:

    LQC
    The comments contained good information.
    Didn’t even bother to read the article. Almost certainly it doesn’t.

  106. Jonesy says:

    Trump speech started at Midday local and went for 1hr and 13 minutes. To add, where in the speech , prior to 50 minutes into the speech (The time it would take if YOU RAN to the Capitol Building) that incites a riot?

  107. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Geez…the racist is up late tonight…he clearly is over excited.

  108. Rex Anger says:

    Great defence of Biden’s Big Lie, Bobby boy.

    But since I know that the opposite of anything a Communist speaks is the Truth, I am instead convinced that Donald Trump was the clear and unequivocal winner of the 2020 Presidential Election, up to the point where Democrat electoral fraud kicked in…

  109. Chris M says:

    Is this the Catallaxy Files or ABC? I can’t tell.
    The left have the entire Twittersphere, Facebook, Google and MSM playground to themselves.
    Sinc seems to believe they are entitled to more.

    Seems like a troll on a chain, trotted out to post occasionally to demonstrate at the inquisition that the Cat was indeed ‘fair and balanced’ and had some irrational extreme left posters also just like the MS media. So a useful idiot if you like.

  110. Tel says:

    Tel, have you forgotten James Hodgkinson?

    Hard to keep up … there’s too many examples of Democrat violence and hypocrisy.

  111. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Bela Bartok
    #3724514, posted on January 14, 2021 at 8:50 pm
    Is this the Catallaxy Files or ABC? I can’t tell.”

    It’s Catallaxy….a free speech blog… however I’ll re-post what I posted this morning on the Open Thread….to quote Karl Popper…

    Why are we tolerating the intolerant?

    Scum like the Toowoomba racist don’t respect free speech.

  112. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Oh go away Numbers. I can give links and data for every thing I wrote. Indeed I already have, but you seem to’ve forgotten that.

    You’ve been here all day going on and on like a four year old having a tantrum. Why? Are you scared that we’re correct? We are.

    The Left is evil, and their actions of the last month have been blatantly fascist. Get used to it. The Left hasn’t changed their spots in the last couple centuries, they’ve just gotten better at lying about their intentions. Especially to gullible people with stars in their eyes like you.

  113. Shane says:

    What a tiresome dishonest, self deluded fool you are…..of course this is only if you really are who you portray yourself to be rather than the real possibility that these scribblings are attempts at exorcizing that nasty inner shadow of yours, my question to you is does someone/anyone actually have to spend their day and night listening to & putting up with yr stuff

    [& so compliments of Jim Stone, here is some very valuable advice for the near future]
    ” Trump “lost” the election? Here is the appropriate response to anyone saying Trump lost:
    “If a thief steals your wallet, you did not lose it.” It is as simple as that. Trump lost NOTHING.

    and further more something that you are probably incapable of understanding yet , but wait everything in the fullness of time, here are the rules for survival [that were] followed in the USSR (not sure what will be applicable, but you need to know and practice in advance):

    1. Stop expressing ANY your private opinion publicly. You should express happiness and smiles, and not words, all the time when you are in public. You are a builder of Communism.

    All your private thoughts are just for you, not for others. Remember – if you discuss anything private with your spouse in your own kitchen – that can be reported during a divorce for a larger alimony, or for promotion at work, or for other favors for her. Please be sane and restrictive in what you say out loud. NO, I am happily married for 30Y, but I have to be cautious now going forward, USA or not. NO, I am not paranoid, it is just new era for the USA (old for us, immigrants).

    2. Please follow your leaders and memorize what they say. This is important, as this is what you should repeat when you talk in public or in private about politics, or even with a friend – and if you recognize that someone says the same as other communist’s leaders say – cheer.

    If you do not cheer, you will be blamed for not being politically correct. Your friend or your wife or your neighbour will report you. He/she will be rewarded, you will go to jail/gulag/FEMA camp forever.

    3. If – God forbid – your child says something that is not in-line with the Communist Party line (at kindergarten or school) you will loose your job, your place of living, and – your child. Please be cautious in what you train your child to say once your teach him or her. What is permissible to say or not should be very clear. Please be politically correct at home.

    4. Never complain about what you have – job, work, home, wife, child (children). If you are not happy you immediately become a dangerous element. You will be eliminated.

    5. NEVER read books or whatever is not allowed. I, once, have seen an outside cover of a prohibited by the USSR Communalist Party book. The person who was carrying it secretly (16 years old girl) has spent 2 days at KGB solitary cell, I have spent there about 4 hours – I was not dangerous as I did not read the book. 2 adults were sent to Siberia for the incident (parents, and not mine).

    6. Remember, all elections are fair and right. If you ever doubt, god bless your dead body. Seriously, please never talk about it. Everybody knows anyway – elections are fair.

    7. Play stupid always when you talk to your boss, especially if he/she is in the Party.

    Basically, it is it, for our immediate future.

    Thank you for reading, we are all together in this. ”

  114. Botswana O'Hooligan says:

    You know General, your statement and thinking reinforces my decision to become a mercenary back in the 1970’s. Mate, you are out of touch with reality in my opinion but thank Christ this site allows people to state their opinions including yours and mine.

  115. Some History says:

    1735099
    #3724548, posted on January 14, 2021 at 9:13 pm

    The US is an oligarchy, not a fascist state. Having said that, Trump’s brand of hyper nationalistic authoritarianism was steering it in that direction. They’ve dodged a bullet.

    Have you been paying attention the last week? What a messed up nitwit you are.

  116. Some History says:

    These trolls can’t see the Swamp for the Trump.

  117. David says:

    Gough Whitlam:

    ‘God save the Queen, because nothing will save the Governor-General.’
    ‘Maintain your rage…’
    Alleged CIA involvement in his dismissal.

    Sounds pretty dangerous and unhinged considering broader context and history of leftist violence. Yet he is a deity of the left.

  118. Boambee John says:

    First, there has to be the presence of a “mind” to change – doubtful in this instance.

    ROFLMAO.

    The ostrich (head up bum) might at some time, with a friendly supervisor, get a pseudo PhD. Bruce of N has had a PhD in a hard science for decades, with a long history of research, and the ostrich claims that Bruce has no mind? Hubris to the nth degree!

    Stick to whining about conscription, you can get away with sloppy research there.

  119. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Here I’ll give you a few links for free. No I don’t have any saved, but I do remember this stuff, and it’s easy to re-find despite all that the tech companies want to bury it.

    Benford’s Law
    Mathematical Analysis
    Vote switching

    I don’t give a fig as to what you believe Numbers, but believing fantasies like you seem to do often leads to unfortunate outcomes in the real world. Meditate if you will what these fascists will do to you if they ever get in here. Useful idiots tend to get culled as inconvenient, and their families. It has happened over and over and over in history when the Left gets itself into one of these bastard phases they seem to be prone to. I’ve never read The Gulag Archipelago, maybe I should.

  120. Damon says:

    “but no evidence. That’s why the court cases fell in a heap”
    The cases fell in a heap because the courts refused to hear them.

  121. Damon says:

    Despite what we all like to believe, violence, and the threat of it, does work.

  122. Pyrmonter says:

    Chris M, Incoherent, Damon, Egg …

    When you’ve lost Coulter, surely it’s time to wake up and attend to what is happening outside your own world of scandal-blogs.

    https://anncoulter.com/2021/01/06/the-election-is-over-heres-the-truth-about-trumpxxx/

  123. Leo G says:

    Let’s count the people he has blamed for (his election loss) over the last four years:

    What election did Trump lose four years ago?

    But Occam’s Razor is the correct way of thinking this through – the simplest explanation is usually the best.

    Accordingly you argue that Trump lost the election because he lost the election.
    Has to be the tightest circular argument I’ve ever seen.

  124. Snoopy says:

    Ann Coulter. A vag in search of a Republican primary?

  125. Mater says:

    I was watching CNN and saw no such thing. Try Specsavers.

    Watch the Pennsylvania numbers at 00:00 and then again at 00:38.

    https://youtu.be/nce8phlPLQ4

    A flip of 19,958 votes from Trump to Biden.

  126. egg_ says:

    Archivist
    #3724328, posted on January 14, 2021 at 7:08 pm

    Tard beclowns himself, yet again.

    News at 11.

  127. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “When you’ve lost Coulter,”

    Trump lost Coulter three years ago. Coulter is both a provocateur and contrarian….she has a history of always being “opposite”.

  128. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Coulter also has an history of hobnobbing with some unsavoury people on the far-right plus she’s made some nasty remarks over the years about Jooos and Israel….all on the record. Unsurprisingly in the piece Pyrmonter has linked to she makes the following comment…..

    Not Trump! Instead — in the greatest bait-and-switch in American history — he promptly turned his presidency over to nimrods Jared and Ivanka,

    She’s never liked Jared and Ivanka…for reasons that are quite evident….you know Pyrmonter….Jooooish conspiracies and all of that.

  129. Buccaneer says:

    Occam’s razor suggests Biden would welcome a thorough independent audit and investigation to place beyond doubt the validity of his election win were everything above board. Even Trump let the bogus Russia investigation go on for 2 years, but I suppose he knew it was all baloney.

  130. miltonf says:

    Just crude insults. Is Lucy for real or sort of parody? Sludge and mental vomit. Maybe fit for Tharunka.

  131. mh says:

    When you’ve lost Coulter, …

    Pyromaniac has to be the lamest of the libertarians at the Cat.

    Trump blocked her on Twitter about 2 years back.

  132. mh says:

    Actually he may have ‘unfollowed’ her.

    I don’t do twatter.

  133. Davey Boy says:

    Donald Trump lives in Lucy’s head, rent-free.

    Long live Donald Trump!

  134. PB says:

    I wonder if he gives Hillary a pass for never accepting responsibility for her defeat?

  135. egg_ says:

    Ann Coulter. A vag in search of a Republican primary?

    The Vaginator?

  136. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “PB
    #3724629, posted on January 14, 2021 at 10:22 pm
    I wonder if he gives Hillary a pass for never accepting responsibility for her defeat?”

    Of course not.

  137. egg_ says:

    what is happening outside your own world

    The bowtied bioeconomic weapon enabler has spoken!

  138. Clam Chowdah says:

    All true but an obvious troll when posted on this febrile forum. Slow day?

  139. feelthebern says:

    This trolling by LQC is so derivative.

  140. Some History says:

    Ben
    #3724657, posted on January 14, 2021 at 10:46 pm

    Find the incitement

    maligNancy Pelousy says so.

  141. Neville says:

    Lucius, maaate, maaaaaaate, perhaps you might explain just how you have author rights on this blog?

  142. exsteelworker says:

    Why do you think the army is in Washington by the 1000s? To protect Biden and his mob? What a better place than the inauguration to spring the biggest sting in world political history .All of Bidens enablers, every single one of them from the top all the way to the bottom in one place, no where to run, nowhere to hide lol. It would be hilarious if the army turn around and arrest all the Democrats and enablers for a high treason coup de ta. What a Hollywood blockbuster that eould make. I wonder who in Hollywood will play Trump in the movie lol.

  143. BalancedObservation2 says:

    It’s helpful to distinguish at what points Donald Trump detracted from his legacy. I’ll do that in a minute.

    To my mind he still has a solid legacy, even after all this. There are positive structural changes in the American and world political scenes which Trump largely engineered that will be ongoing. Even after all these tumultuous doings of recent days.

    Here’s just a few examples.

    The world attitude towards China has changed markedly for the better. Even the Democrats have been competing with the Republicans to be more realistic towards China because of the environment Trump has set. Of course China’s own ineptness has helped that too.

    Before covid Trump had unemployment even below Australia’s – that’s rare. He had unemployment among black American’s at a record low. He improved the economy and stimulated growth.

    North Korea was a critical threat when Trump took over. It hasn’t been totally resolved but it’s certainly been defused. Barack Obama told Trump it was a critical problem during the presidential handover. Obama was extremely concerned over the threat. Obama had two terms . Trump has done effectively more in one term to improve the situation. It had actually got progressively worse under Obama and didn’t look like improving.

    The first point where Donald Trump detracted from this legacy was the handling of covid.

    I know the arguments and comparisons with Europe on a per capita basis show the outcome in the US is not as bad as it is often portrayed. But the total number of deaths is huge and the headlines devastating.

    They partly drowned out Donald Trump’s achievements in a critical election year. Only partly, because he still polled creditably. Before the postal votes rolled in he looked like he had pulled it off despite the incredibly bad pre-election polls. But I believe without covid he would have won the election ( suspend your anger on the huge implication there for a moment). And losing an election dents anyone’s legacy.

    Now I’m not saying the Democrats would have delivered a better covid outcome. The American federal system and the extremely high value based on personal freedom by Americans made covid a big ask for anyone. And the Democrats are on record opposing the border closure by Trump and calling it racist and xenophobic. They would have lost more valuable time than Trump did. But what Trump really stuffed up on covid was the rhetoric. It cost him dearly.

    Now the second major point when Donald Trump detracted from his legacy was his post election behaviour overall. Even if the election were rigged it was not a sound strategy. The legal challenges were but not the rest.

    Was the election rigged? Did the Democrats really have the capacity, skill and discipline to pull off such a large rigged operation. And the ability to prevent whistle blowers coming forward with smoking gun evidence enough to convince the courts – especially those including Trump’s appointees?

    It’s true that producing evidence after the polls would have been difficult. But supporting the non rigged case not all officials overseeing election counting were Democrats. Some key areas were Republican controlled.

    Oh and of course the main stream media are arguing that Trump’s general behaviour and attitudes have contributed to destroying his legacy. But how could that be true? He was the same in the run up to his successful election. And even after the covid disaster he pollled creditably.

    But what I believe is a positive indication for his legacy is that a large number of Americans – I understand the overwhelming majority who voted for Trump – would not now change their vote for Trump even after recent events. That’s a positive indication for his legacy.

    But an extremely critical issue Joe Biden has foolishly chosen to ignore is that a large number of Americans, probably well over 40% believe the election was rigged. That is incredible whether the election was rigged or not. It needs to be addressed by Biden – otherwise it will cost him. It should be addressed but it hasn’t even been acknowledged by Biden. There are ways to address it. Maybe ignoring it as an issue points to guilt. I don’t think so but maybe.

  144. Chris M says:

    BO2 a troll column might not be the place for a detailed dissertation. John Comnenus posted simple and straight to the point statements & questions above and the author is flopping about like a fish on the jetty. It’s not his intention to have a rational discussion.

  145. Chris M says:

    The first point where Donald Trump detracted from this legacy was the handling of covid.

    Not to mention this is utter garbage – the opposite is actually true. Trump handled it the best of all Western leaders. In fact even the NBC labelled him a miracle worker for what he pulled off. Please pick legitimate points of criticism such as him not dismantling nearly enough of the deepstate and not nuking social media platforms.

  146. BalancedObservation2 says:

    ChrisM

    You may or may not be right that the author’s intention was not to have a rational discussion.

    But it certainly is mine.

  147. chrism says:

    LCQ loquor cuneum quim

    fallacia alia aliam trudit : one falsehood pushes out another

    CBF really : no real bones to chew : just trollshit
    at one level the inability to see a different narrative a lack of imagination but its just trololol

    even if there were no evidence : were the rules scrupulously followed fairly? was there enthusiasm to publicly explore each and every claim? why the long-knives for supporters & family if all is above board?

    a distinct lack of irony here – do yourself a favour Loquor , pick up The Gulag Archipelago :

  148. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Chris M

    #3724703

    Maybe NBC labeled it a miracle – that’s hardly sound evidence. I don’t think it was a miracle.

    And the polls on the issue show the overwhelming number of Americans do not approve of the way Trump handled covid.

    It’s the perception that really counts here too. I made the point that the Democrats wouldn’t have handled it better. But that does not help with voter perception and the influence of that on the election.

  149. chrism says:

    BalancedObservation2
    #3724707, posted on January 15, 2021 at 12:08 am
    Chris M #3724703
    Maybe NBC labeled it a miracle – that’s hardly sound evidence. I don’t think it was a miracle.

    you can rely on the MSM Dems and in this instance also the companies given exceptional funding to fast track a vaccine to massage the message to make sure DJT was nowhere near the good news

    look at the school attendance comments pre & post the election
    look at the ‘can not be done in less than 18 months’
    they ridiculed his attempts to reduce anxiety by portraying it as foolhardy
    the HCQ story needs several volumes
    the US has tracked similar to European rates, is about 8th from Belgium, as i previously posted
    Dem mismanagement of nursing homes is a factor, like in Victoria quoted for political effect

    Vaccinations in the U.S. began Dec. 14 with health-care workers, and so far 10.8 million doses have been given, according to a state-by-state tally by Bloomberg and data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. At least 762,601 people have completed the two-dose vaccination regimen.

  150. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Chrism

    #3724712

    Among the 45 countries with more than 50,000 COVID-19 cases, the U.S. has the eighth-highest number of deaths per 100,000 people: 47.93 deaths from the coronavirus for every 100,000 Americans.

    Since January, there have been over 4.7 million COVID-19 cases and 150,000 deaths in the United States. That is not a good record. It’s not as bad as the US has been portrayed but it’s still a disaster. It’s certain to have had an impact and the polls on the handling of the virus confirm that.

    I don’t think the Democrats would have done any better for the reasons I covered above. Arguably may have done worse.

    But the overwhelming majority of Americans were not satisfied with how Trump handled the crisis. And that would have obviously affected the election result and Trump’s legacy.

    However I outlined above and gave a number of examples why I still think Trump will have a solid legacy.

  151. NoFixedAddress says:

    LQC

    In my lifetime, Trump is the only President of America that has stuck by The Constitution.

  152. Andre S says:

    What about this part of his speech LQC

    He said: “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

    You deliberately left this out. Why? (Rhetorical question). Your confirmation bias is hard to part with. You live in an anti-trump bubble. That’s ok, it’s difficult, I know, when your angry you feel vengeful. That’s why you troll. Your sorrow for the perceived demise of the GOP due to Trump makes you feel hate. So how does this statement affect the context of Trumps whole, purportedly inciting speech? Read this statement without bias and you may feel much more restful and come to a much more rational outcome. But that damned confirmation bias is overwhelming and so you dismiss the new context as it doesn’t fit your narrative.

    Trump accused of Incitement…sedition…insurrection, just ambiguous cliches and tautologies, it is ubiquitous in media writings but is evident more clumsily in the rhetoric of our politicians as well. Unconditional and unqualified language is said with a narcissistic finality, to which there can be no logical counter, because everything is so well organised and measured, example: Pompeo and others say, “there is no evidence of voter fraud that would change the outcome of the election”. Such definitive language cannot be logically argued against and is imposed by those who have power. How about “in order to save ourselves from COVID we have to lockdown our societies” is another bit of garbage double speak. What about this sort of scenario, Mr Trump is either guilty of incitement in which case he should be executed or if his right die for the people freedoms? Language has consequences, dismissing the subtleties, all the circumstantial and hard evidence in affidavits and videos and whatever other conspiracies there is, is not what modern society with a dependable legal system is about but unfortunately the courts didn’t have the fortitude to hear the evidence as it didn’t want to be involved in the overturning of an election under, in my opinion, any circumstances.

    What about incitement…How about Pelosi saying, “ I don’t know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country”, Or some Democrat saying there needs to be unrest in the streets so long as there is unrest in our lives”. Cuomo “ show me where it says protests need to be polite”. Griffin and the decapitated head of Trump. Depp “ when was the last time an actor assassinated a president”. What about Madonna thinking about blowing up the white house. Maxine Waters and her incitement rhetoric. There where riots and murders and destruction of private property for months because of this crap. And the Media what about their endless rhetoric? Is this incitement? Should Trump be held to a higher bar then these moron’s? No. You can’t defeat this rhetoric by prancing around and drinking Hi Tea with the democrats. Trump path was a narrow one and it is his doing because he tried to expose and fix a corrupt system. The system is rigged enough to absorb any corruption exposed, but he tried to fix it without truly exposing it unequivocally and ubiquitously in the media and drew the ire and sophistry of all against the fix.

    Your Occam’s Razor argument is incoherent if you factor in your confirmation bias: well Trump personally was always doomed to eventually loose as sure as where all going to die; his legacy is intact, and time will reveal this; election margins mean nothing if election anomalies aren’t addressed publicly as it alienates a large part of the population; Incitement… why should Trump be held to higher standard then his many enemies who had the media behind them; I don’t know about your two last points, but the Trumps can live without politics, I am sure and dishonour, well if dishonour has anything to do with the democrats who cares, he has his 75m voters who will honour him.

    Trump should not ever go back into politics. His kids, well good luck to them! He needs to find another way to pursue his agenda and I hope he does… but fixing all the rot will be bigger than his life can manage. Thank you for the post LQC, it covers the counter argument against Trump, and I must say I feel fortunate that I can still say this somewhere on the internet.

  153. pbw says:

    BalancedObservation3

    New details of Broward’s 2018 recount fiasco revealed by county auditor By David Smiley, The Miami Herald 5/26/2020

    Broward County’s 2018 elections and recount — the mishandling of which briefly made the county the center of a debunked national election conspiracy theory — were so rife with problems that the county’s auditor was unable to verify the accuracy of reported vote totals despite a lengthy review.

    (The highlight is mine. I wouldn’t want you to miss the debunking.)

    N.B. The draft audit of the 2018 election in one county had just been published (in May of 2020.)

    But hey, balanced observations would question the capacity of any party to screw with an election without it’s being immediately obvious within a month. Only Conspiracy Theorists would suggest such a thing.

  154. jupes says:

    You can ignore the facts if you like, but Trump trashed his own legacy and that’s crystal clear

    No. More like: You can ignore the facts if you like, but Trump lost the election due to election fraud and that’s crystal clear.

  155. Iain Russell says:

    Cuzzo! Dago dumb arse!

  156. WDYSIA says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvqvvsqJ_s
    The above video analyses footage from the riot.

    I think that overall, Trump’s legacy will be positive and he will be proven right on some things like the riot. His greatest achievement is creating an environment that could get a covid vaccination out in less than a year. The US started vaccinating last month, before Christmas. That might not be sexy for most CVs but that’s an astonishing feat. His greatest fault is his nepotism. Jared and Ivanka, for example, are two crass grifters who make Imelda Marcos look like a noble and virtuous queen in comparison. Trump pardoned Jared’s father on the 7th. No other fraudster and sleaze got such favours.

  157. Albatross says:

    Another shit post from Lucy the Obama supporter.

    Yes, Lucy supported Obama in 2012. Romney wasn’t swampy enough for our precious little petal.

  158. Albatross says:

    Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
    #3724347, posted on January 14, 2021 at 7:14 pm
    […]
    As for incitement – his language (before the riot) was quite clearly about being strong and marching and claiming back the ‘stolen’ election. Read his own words:

    “We will stop the steal”
    “We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen”
    “You don’t concede when there’s theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore.”
    “If you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore”
    “We are going to the Capitol”

    Pretty clearly incitement

    Hahahahahaha! Oh yes. “Clearly”. You’ve selectively quoted to leave out his exhortations to piece. No legal authority cited. You really are a blathering retard. Give yourself an uppercut.

  159. Albatross says:

    *peace

  160. Albatross says:

    Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
    #3724276, posted on January 14, 2021 at 6:45 pm
    Look Chris M and incoherent rambler, even you have to admit that some of his greatest supporters have deserted him.

    Look at the principles on this man. “But Trump is unpopular now”.

  161. Strayan Drongo says:

    This article could be much shorter… Just come out and say that you’re a low information emotional leftist who believes deepstate propaganda. We all can tell from reading this nonsense, but the self awareness would be impressive.

  162. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Well said Andre S and thanks

  163. Boambee John says:

    Pyrmonter
    #3724601, posted on January 14, 2021 at 9:53 pm
    Chris M, Incoherent, Damon, Egg …

    When you’ve lost Coulter, surely it’s time to wake up and attend to what is happening outside your own world of scandal-blogs.

    When you are relying on Coulter, surely it’s time to wake up and attend to what’s happening outside your own world of who knows what?

  164. John Comnenus says:

    LQC, the choice in the election was between Trump and the fascist Left represented by Biden and his corrupt authoritarian fascist Democrats and their fascist supporters. That was the choice on offer, there was no perfect candidate standing. Let’s apply the Occam’s razor test to determine why you selected the fascist option of the choices on offer – you prefer the authoritarian fascism choice because you are a fascist. Give me some other reason within the context of what was on offer?

  165. Epicurious says:

    Dear readers we all know this ‘person’ is full of hate and vitriol. I can’t imagine why Catallaxy would be so lax as to publish such vitriol. The best thing we can all do is ignore his articles and make no comments then even Since will get the message. Show your contempt by not reacting to his existence.

  166. Boambee John says:

    Andre S

    Your sorrow for the perceived demise of the GOP due to Trump makes you feel hate.

    Given the posts made by LQC after the 2016 election, defending Shrillary’s post-election behaviour, I doubt that LQC is actually concerned about the future of the GOP.

  167. BalancedObservation2 says:

    PBW

    #3724732

    If, as you say, it’s not obvious until well after the election that an election has been rigged why are you so sure it has been?

  168. Iain Russell says:

    Sorry, LQC, cazzo is the word, my fingers betrayed me!

  169. areff says:

    I thought you were taking your third person singular to substack. Please, don’t tarry any longer.

  170. Kneel says:

    “… get out of jail free card from all tax payers in the form of sect 230, enforces the preferred politics of one party against others,…”

    There area couple of interesting things about s230 and case law, which means they may not be as protected as they think.

    You do NOT need to be the actual government to be done for violating free speech – a company can be deemed to be for all intents and purposes a government – eg, I own the town, all of it. If I suppress your free speech in the town square, I am deemed to be violating your 1st Amendment rights even though I am not the Gov. Interesting, is it not, that Twitter says they are the “digital town square” – if the same can be said of Parler (why not?), then the “owner” (eg, AWS) may be in trouble.

    The Gov cannot encourage and/or reward a private entity for doing what the Gov itself cannot – Gov can’t give a tax break to people who act in a racially discriminatory way, for example. So politicians like AOC, who threatened removal of s230 protections unless DJT got banned – well, looks bad, right?

    Twitter, WRT election in Uganda, stated they “consulted with our peers”, which if shown to have happened for Trump and Parler, would be conspiracy and abuse of market share (anti-trust violation).

    Parler had a contract with AWS that specified they would get 30 days notice – they didn’t. Parler is not a $1B company, but was worth millions and will fight according to Dan Bongino (part owner).

    And lastly, while Parler got dumped by AWS for the risk of threats of violence, Twitter (which is also hosted by AWS) had a trending hashtag of “#hangPence” (or maybe it was “#killPence”) and several other things that don’t look good (eg, “burn it down”). Since the Twitter hosting contract is multi-year and considerably more valuable to AWS, this may be seen as conspiracy to deliberately sabotage a customers competitor for their own benefit.

  171. Kneel says:

    “I too keep waiting for the proof, and all we get over and over is garbage from garbage websites”

    I showed evidence of actual official election data being riddled with errors – no, not fraud, but errors.
    Looks kinda like it might BE fraud, but no proof of that.
    There are no explanations as yet for any of these errors – and every one needs an explanation.

  172. Tom Atkinson says:

    Complete rubbish from LQC.

    LQC, you are one of those people that can’t see elephants when they in the room, sitting right beside you.

  173. Kneel says:

    “…Trump is a conman who is now walking away from the people who bought what he sold.”

    Ho ho ho.
    From the start, Trump wanted everything done legally – no racial/sexual/orientation/whatever discrimination, all equal before the law and any international agreements to be negotiated by the US with the US interest paramount.
    That hasn’t and never did change – witness the election debacle, where he didn’t invoke martial law, nor the insurrection act. He didn’t sack Mueller, instead let the whole thing run its course.
    He is building the wall, he reduced taxes, he got US companies back in the US, he got low and middle income jobs that were “never coming back” back, he got Main St pumping. WRT Covid, he got told by MSM and career politicians that he couldn’t impose lockdowns, mask mandates etc – that it was up to the states to do these things, yet now they say it is all his fault, even though he acted early and hard in the only ways he could.
    He ain’t perfect.
    He is loud, brash etc etc.
    But he got the job done and where he couldn’t deliver on his promises, he had a damn good go at it and got blocked by others.
    Seriously, aside from his personality, what is the issue?
    I mean, I don’t particularly like the personality of the man, but he does the job pretty well – first president in 40+ years to NOT start a new war, Middle East peace deals brokered and so on. All while battling a false Russia collusion narrative and an impeachment, and also a hostile media that ignored or downplayed any and all good things he got done. Not sure what more you want other than more “decorum” and other such stuff that quite frankly I see as secondary to actual real world results.

  174. Tom Atkinson says:

    Lucy is one of those people that can’t see elephants in rooms. Probably also thinks climate change is caused by man and the virus so really scary we should all be wearing masks.

  175. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Kneel
    #3725122, posted on January 15, 2021 at 12:35 pm

    And lastly, while Parler got dumped by AWS for the risk of threats of violence, Twitter (which is also hosted by AWS) had a trending hashtag of “#hangPence” (or maybe it was “#killPence”) and several other things that don’t look good (eg, “burn it down”). Since the Twitter hosting contract is multi-year and considerably more valuable to AWS, this may be seen as conspiracy to deliberately sabotage a customers competitor for their own benefit.

    Kneel…worth a listen…the hypocrisy of Twitter is shameful…here’s Tucker overnight….

    https://youtu.be/GlNDFAU_Eik

  176. RJH says:

    One of the better summations BELOW of Trump & his Administrations ENVIABLE record. Not bad when you consider he spent the entire 4 years fending off a lying & biased MSM & their Deep State Democrat supporters. Their only deluded answer was a display of a continual unhinged hatred of Trump & then did their level best to try and thwart his every move to better the lives of all Americans. His legacy will be remembered favourably by future generations who will hopefully be unlike the present-day Authoritarian Left indoctrinated shills who without any idea of self-awareness & irony call themselves Democrats?

    Subject: Copied from Fakebook. Re Trump
    This post is not open for debate. I have listened to everyone else’s hatred, rhetoric and outright lies for the last four years, so now I am having my say. If you don’t like it, you know where the delete button is. Let me be clear, I am not a Biden fan. I think he is corrupt, a liar, a racist bigot, is in bed with China and probably suffering from dementia. He has done nothing to improve anything in his 47-year political career.

    But what has Trump done in the past 4 years?
    The “arrogant” in the White House brokered four Middle East Peace Accords, something that 71 years of political intervention and endless war failed to produce.
    The “buffoon” in the White House is the first president that has not engaged us in a foreign war since Eisenhower.
    The “racist” in the White House has had the greatest impact on the economy, bringing jobs, and lowering unemployment to the Black and Latino population of ANY other president. Ever.
    The “liar” in the White House has exposed the deep, widespread, and long-standing corruption in the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the Republican and Democratic parties.
    The “white supremacist” in the White House turned NATO around and had them start paying their dues.
    The “fool” in the White House neutralized the North Koreans and stopped them sending missiles toward Japan, and threatening the West Coast of the US.
    The “xenophobe” in the White House turned our relationship with the Chinese around, brought hundreds of businesses back to the US, and revived the economy.
    This same “clown” lowered your taxes, increased the standard deduction on your IRS return from $12,500 to $24,400 for married couples and caused the stock market to rise to record levels, positively impacting the retirement accounts of tens of millions of citizens.
    The “idiot” in the White House fast-tracked the development of multiple COVID Vaccines which are now available or will be soon. And yet we still don’t have a vaccine for SARS, Bird Flu, Ebola, or a host of diseases that arose during previous administrations.
    The “orange man” in the White House rebuilt our military which the Obama administration crippled and fired 214 key generals and admirals in his first year of office.
    I got it, you don’t like him. Many of you utterly hate and despise him. How special of you. He is serving you and ALL the American people. What are you doing besides calling him names and laughing about him catching the China virus? Some of you were even hoping that COVID would be the cause of his demise. (Ah, the left. The party of “tolerance”. )
    Please educate me again as to what Biden has accomplished for America in his 47 years in office, besides making the whole Biden family richer? By the way, where is Hunter?
    I’ll take the “clown” any day versus a fork tongued, smooth talking, hypocritical, racist corrupt liar. I want a strong leader who isn’t afraid to kick some butt when needed. I don’t need a fatherly figure. I don’t need a liar. That’s what Hollywood, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and the New York Times are for.
    Call me a chump, a racist, a superspreader or part of the basket of deplorables. I do not care!
    God bless Donald Trump – the best, most unappreciated President in U.S. history.
    Feel free to copy/paste, I did.

  177. pbw says:

    BO2,

    Sharp response. Hmmm. I wonder why the investigation started.

  178. John-SA says:

    Donald Trump, finally, has ruined the political prospects of his family. That concerns me not, for they are smarmy unethical and unprincipled parasites

    Not like the Ukraine’s most honest man, Hunter Biden, that international paragon of ethics and principles, who’d never capitalise off his old man’s government position.

  179. BalancedObservation2 says:

    PBW

    #3725262

    Yes I wonder a lot about the election result. I’m not certain that it was rigged as you appear to be and others here appear to be. When there’s uncertainty you do tend to wonder.

    I think in the absence of evidence strong enough to convince courts – especially those with Trump appointees and for the other reasons I have stated above – I come down on the side of their not being fraud big enough to overturn the result.

  180. Kneel says:

    “The circumstances that a mob, who had been fed misinformation for months that the election had been stolen, and who had armed themselves, with a variety of weapons including tear gas and flash-bangs, and dressed in combat gear, including helmets and carrying zip-ties, had gathered outside the Capitol.”

    It’s partisan and we all know it.

    Flashback to 2017:
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

    “Six police officers were injured and 217 protesters arrested Friday after a morning of peaceful protests and coordinated disruptions of Donald Trump’s inauguration ceremony gave way to ugly street clashes in downtown Washington. ”

    Here are some images from that “protest” – notice the burning car etc.

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.C1mvYZhTDsoKshDHBPL7cgFWC2%26pid%3DApi&f=1

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.ugusnZMrkXCIdIQKTcXvMwHaEK%26pid%3DApi&f=1

    I don’t recall calls in 2018 for Democrats who encouraged this to be ejected or impeached:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kavanaugh-protesters-arrested-at-capitol-after-thousands-march-on-supreme-court

    “Thousands of liberal protesters, fired up by Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren, marched up Capitol Hill on Thursday to protest Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court and put pressure on the handful of undecided senators who will determine whether Kavanaugh gets confirmed in the coming days.

    By Thursday afternoon, Capitol Police began arresting hundreds of protesters inside the Hart Senate Office Building who raised their fists and loudly started chanting “Kavanaugh has got to go.” Arrests were made after protesters began sitting down in the building’s atrium, refusing to cooperate with law enforcement.”

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