Trust The Science

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  1. John Dee says:

    NORWAY population 5.33 million
    BRISBANE population 5.17 million

    Brisbane has 6 alleged Covid deaths since Feb 2020
    Norway apparently has had 23 ( revised from 13) deaths in less than I month following the vaccine.

    The Pfizer vaccine of which the Australian government has purchased 10 million doses.
    Follow the science to your grave.

  2. John Dee says:

    Queensland NOT Brisbane

  3. Leo G says:

    A fact sheet just released by the US State Department claims that the ChiComs have been undertaking a dangerous type of research known as “gain of function” to increase the transmissibility and virulence of bat virus RaTG13 and 18 related virus commencing between 2013 and 2016.
    China’s claims that RaTG13 was not simliar to SARS-CoV-2 are countered by findings that in its 2013 form it was 96.2% similar to the recent SARS-CoV-2 virus.

  4. Chris M says:

    More coronavirus deaths!

  5. Shane says:

    Next they will be saying you cant trust voting machines

  6. feelthebern says:

    Leo, all that information has been publicly available from the NY Mag article two weeks ago.

  7. Charles Rasp says:

    23 deaths 0f very frail patients from 40,000 elderly >80 years old vaccinated (The Australian today).
    Could be many, many reasons for these deaths, apart from vaccine.
    How many dead in the healthy young health workers cohort? Crickets.
    Not to say there should not be caution about these miraculously conjured vaccines which did not go through the full test regime … there should be … but these numbers on face value are not evidence of unusual vaccine fatality rates.

  8. Damon says:

    “How many dead (from covid) in the healthy young health workers cohort? Crickets. LOL

  9. Andre S says:

    The hysterical health bureaucrats and some billionaires are having wet dreams and delusions of grandeur about replicating the polio program and saving billions of lives and having hospitals and schools named after them. But COVID is not polio. We don’t need mass vaccinations, we need a rational approach to vaccinations which probably should exclude mass vaccination programs. But without mass vaccinations the lockdowns will remain say the finger waving health bureaucrats that fear for their reputations. And the poor civilians will remain confused and fearful of COVID and say give us the vaccines and free us of this killer virus so we can go back to our sports stadiums, concerts, cafes and overseas holidays maskless. This social and cultural construct has taken us to a really bad place, but not thanks to the virus… no its not the virus fault … its the fault of the medico legally vulnerable and emotionally unstable technocrats that advise our docile politicians, using irrelevant scientific words that have no basis in truth. The madness will not be ending anytime soon.

  10. pbw says:

    LeoG,

    This is a fascinating article from the Lancet Infectious Diseases Newsdesk on the situation with GoF research in the US.

    On Dec 19, 2017, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced that they would resume funding gain-of-function experiments involving influenza, Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus. A moratorium had been in place since October, 2014.

    And…

    The situation has its roots in 2011, when the NSABB suppressed two studies involving H5N1 viruses that had been modified to allow airborne transmission from ferret to ferret. They worried that malign actors could replicate the work to deliberately cause an outbreak in human beings. After much debate, the studies were published in full in 2012. HHS subsequently issued guidelines for funding decisions on experiments likely to result in highly pathogenic H5N1 viruses transmissible from mammal to mammal via respiratory droplets. The guidelines were later expanded to include H7N9 viruses.
    In 2014, several breaches of protocol at US government laboratories brought matters to a head. The news that dozens of workers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) might have been exposed to anthrax, that vials of smallpox virus had been left lying around in an NIH storeroom, and that the CDC had unwittingly sent out samples of ordinary influenza virus contaminated with H5N1, shook faith in the country’s biosafety procedures. Over 200 scientists signed the Cambridge Working Group declaration arguing for a cessation of experiments creating potential pandemic pathogens “until there has been a quantitative, objective and credible assessment of the risks, potential benefits, and opportunities for risk mitigation, as well as comparison against safer experimental approaches”.
    The debate is focused on a subset of gain-of-function studies that manipulate deadly viruses to increase their transmissibility or virulence. “This is what happens to viruses in the wild”, explains Carrie Wolinetz, head of the NIH Office of Science Policy. “Gain-of-function experiments allow us to understand how pandemic viruses evolve, so that we can make predictions, develop countermeasures, and do disease surveillance”. Although none of the widely publicised mishaps of 2014 involved such work, the NIH decided to suspend funding for gain-of-function studies involving influenza, MERS-CoV, and SARS-CoV. [My emphasis]

    An article from the Asia Times on Fauci’s involvement (as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)) in outsourcing CoF research to Wuhan.

    There is any number of such reports to be found by searchin “gain of function research in china”.

  11. Mark A says:

    I commented on this issue before and my observation was that those most vulnerable should not risk themselves or not be experimented on by others.

    My point was that the the development was rushed through and testing was minimal therefor the vaccine is not proved safe.
    Of course some came from the opposite direction and assumed the vaccine to be safe and first to be administered to the aged and vulnerable.

    That is wrong, young healthy adults can survive adverse effects where even healthy but aged people cannot. Simple I thought.

  12. Stimpson J. Cat says:

    I find it fascinating that everyone suggesting that the COVID Vaccines are safe for healthy young adults,
    are not actually healthy young adults.

    😂

  13. Mark A says:

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3728051, posted on January 18, 2021 at 1:59 am

    I find it fascinating that everyone suggesting that the COVID Vaccines are safe for healthy young adults,
    are not actually healthy young adults.

    Touche my friend, but a young adult is still more resilient than an older one.
    What you think?

  14. Stimpson J. Cat says:

    Touche my friend, but a young adult is still more resilient than an older one.
    What you think?

    Most definitely,
    I’m just wondering why we still don’t have a valid HIV vaccine considering they started trials on young Ugandans way back in 1999.

    Curious indeed!

    If only they had Operation Warp Speed,
    I’m sure everything would be fine by now.

  15. Mark A says:

    Mixing politics and science is bad news.

  16. a happy little debunker says:

    The AstraZeneca vaccine (Australia’s vaccine of choice) in clinical trials has been found to be 62% effective.
    Public health experts believe herd immunity will be gained when 80+% of the population has immunity.

    So – Australia’s strategy is to rollout a vaccine that will not achieve herd immunity even if 100% of the population are vaccinated.

    Following the science is hard…

  17. Suelyn says:

    And possibly joining them are 55 more from America

    Obviously some could be simply a vulnerable population dying from other causes, but on the other hand it could be the start of something very bad indeed.

  18. feelthebern says:

    An article from the Asia Times on Fauci’s involvement (as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)) in outsourcing CoF research to Wuhan.

    Fauci actions caused more more damage to the world than Kennedy sending Americans to Vietnam.

  19. Figures says:

    Andre good comment except that the polio vaccine was a catastrophe too it was just much easier for the government to cover up the problems.

    Paralysis rates have actually increased since that vaccine.

    Yes. Increased.

    Polio was simply renamed. The diagnostic criteria for polio was strengthened after the vaccine and most doctors didn’t want to diagnose polio in a vaccinated patient anyway. Same with measles, rubella, etc.

    All these deaths in Norway would have been covered up too except for social media. What’s more it’s harder to rename COVID because billions of dollars are tied up in the (completely invalid) testing regime. So the vaccine will be seen to be both useless and dangerous. Just like all vaccines.

    But don’t think that’s the end of it though. The flu shot is useless and dangerous too (even according to government data) but still imposed on us. They just guilt us into vaccinating ourselves to protect everyone else – even though it can’t work on any of us.

    The first thing to understand about vaccines is how astonishingly brainwashed we are over them. Even most people described as “anti-vaxers” have a vastly too positive view of them.

  20. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    One of the features of the lockdowns and hygiene requirements is that influenza has been nuked. Very few infections and no deaths since April, according to the NSW figures.

    But very elderly nursing home residents keep getting older and older. Flu often is death’s doorknocker for them, but without the flu they have been hanging on longer. Then the crud vaccine comes along and tips them over the edge.

    Something was always going to.

  21. yarpos says:

    I trust “the science” after all it did give me Thalidomide, cane toads, frontal lobotomies, the nuclear bomb, the whole low fat/high sugar disaster and the climate scam and 50 years of failed predictions. What’s not to trust ?

  22. Fair Shake says:

    What they don’t mention about is the go morbidity factors. 8 were obese, 8 wore Maga hats to to a BLM rally and 7 of came off their motorcycles at high speed during the recent Dakar rally.

  23. Fair Shake says:

    Should be co morbidity… but go morbidity sounds better

  24. Penguinite says:

    I wouldn’t trust or read Twitter, even if paid to do so!!!!

  25. Big Toe Hurts says:

    Covid-19 should be harvested, not eliminated as it seems the virus has killed off all other ailments known to mankind. These days people only seem to die of Covid-19, nothing else – barring murder, fire, drowning, etc. Even some car/motorcycle accidents have been attributed to the virus.

  26. Penguinite says:

    Here’s the thing! Older persons are given the vaccine and apparently suffer from existing conditions and die. Yes, it’s called ‘old age’. If they are so debilitated and libel to succumb to ‘unintended consequences’ why give them the vaccine? You can guarantee that their death certificate will read that they passed due to wuflu, not the underlying age-related condition!

  27. Mark M says:

    They are saying the vaccine was given to people who were going to die, some with in days., other weeks.

    Why would you give a vaccine to people you know are about to die within days?

    It doesn’t make sense.

  28. Mark M says:

    We know they lie:

    REPORT: Fauci Admits He Lied Because ‘Country Wasn’t Ready’ To Hear The Truth
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/24/anthony-fauci-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-herd-immunity/

  29. Petros says:

    Complete bollocks, Mark M. You clearly know nothing about acute disseminated encephalomyelitis for starters. Keep quiet when you are ignorant.

  30. Boambee John says:

    Charles Rasp
    #3727950, posted on January 17, 2021 at 11:50 pm
    23 deaths 0f very frail patients from 40,000 elderly >80 years old vaccinated (The Australian today).
    Could be many, many reasons for these deaths, apart from vaccine.
    How many dead in the healthy young health workers cohort? Crickets.
    Not to say there should not be caution about these miraculously conjured vaccines which did not go through the full test regime … there should be … but these numbers on face value are not evidence of unusual vaccine fatality rates.

    Very similar to the effects of the Kung Flu. Most Kung Flu deaths are among elderly people with co-morbidities, virtually zero among the young healthy workers cohort.

    Those numbers on face value are not evidence that Kung Flu causes unusual numbers of deaths.

  31. Struth says:

    23 deaths 0f very frail patients from 40,000 elderly >80 years old vaccinated (The Australian today).
    Could be many, many reasons for these deaths, apart from vaccine.
    How many dead in the healthy young health workers cohort? Crickets.
    Not to say there should not be caution about these miraculously conjured vaccines which did not go through the full test regime … there should be … but these numbers on face value are not evidence of unusual vaccine fatality rates.

    This is logical, but if you change a few words, it isn’t apparently.

    23 deaths 0f very frail patients from 40,000 elderly >80 years old with Covid (The Australian today).
    Could be many, many reasons for these deaths, apart from Covid.
    How many dead in the healthy young health workers cohort? Crickets.
    Not to say there should not be caution about these miraculously conjured covid which did not go through the full test regime … there should be … but these numbers on face value are not evidence of unusual covid fatality rates.

  32. Struth says:

    Insanity is not believing dying of old age is caused by being born.

  33. Leo G says:

    The hysterical health bureaucrats and some billionaires are having wet dreams and delusions of grandeur about replicating the polio program and saving billions of lives …

    I recall speculation that polio was not really an ancient human disease, but rather a zoonosis which crossed over from cattle around the time Edward Jenner “invented” vaccination.

  34. cuckoo says:

    Er, did they die of Pfizer or with Pfizer?

  35. BrettW says:

    Not to forget the Colorado Coroner who complained that a homicide suicide case, where bullets killed them,
    had to be counted as Covid as both had it at the time.

    “barring murder, fire, drowning, etc. Even some car/motorcycle accidents have been attributed to the virus”

  36. Roger says:

    BRISBANE population 5.17 million

    Just how many people are they hiding in those inner city towers?

  37. min says:

    Have faith in the Pfizer vaccine . Don’t forget they make Viagra .
    If they can raise the dead they can save the living.

  38. PB says:

    You’d have to assume this is happening elsewhere and not just Norway. Nothing happens if no-one reports it.

  39. PB says:

    “Complete bollocks, Mark M. You clearly know nothing about acute disseminated encephalomyelitis for starters. Keep quiet when you are ignorant.”

    Would have thought you could have used this as a teaching moment rather than a biting off head moment.

  40. Andre Lewis says:

    Too much emphasis on ‘herd immunity’ from vaccinations, regardless which one is used. The 90%, 94%, 62% supposed effectiveness of the current vaccines is meaningless as the virus now has 800 defined mutations just like seasonal flu so any vaccine is not going to be more than 50% effective in any annual outbreak. Vaccination prevents ongoing infection worldwide where the disease is blood borne and works well. COVID affects the lungs and airways primarily so much harder to control the spread in a person and between people.
    Early treatment with the much maligned anti malarial drugs, that are cheap, available and work (not if left until someone is hospitalised and very ill), is being ignored in favour of expensive, new vaccines. I wonder why?

  41. Mark M says:

    Hi Petros.
    Ignorant I might be of acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, but a ‘oogle of acute disseminated encephalomyelitis and covid produced this:

    COVID-19-Associated Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis–Like Disease
    http://www.ajnr.org/content/early/2020/12/03/ajnr.A6967

    There is many other links to read, as I am sure you are well aware of.
    Is there a quote in my link you could highlight regarding giving the highly sought vaccine to a dying person?
    Perhaps Petros could link their favourite evidence, and highlight the money shot quote to help me free myself of the ignorance?

    Thanks in advance.

  42. Figures says:

    You’d have to assume this is happening elsewhere and not just Norway. Nothing happens if no-one reports it.

    Exactly right PB. If you hear a credible story of a retirement home with dozens of deaths following vaccines, statistically, there must be many more such cases that we just don’t hear about.

    And for those saying “oh maybe it wasn’t the vaccine just as it may not have been the virus” I get your quest for consistency but it’s actually worse than you imagine.

    We know *exactly* when a vaccine is administered. If someone, previously healthy, gets sick straight after a vaccine and then gets worse to the point of death then we can be basically 100% certain that the death was caused by the vaccine.

    The same is not true of virus caused deaths though. We have no idea when a virus first enters someone’s body. Even if you assume the virus test is valid, a positive case may have been infected a week before their test, a month before, a year before or even from the day they were born. Without that temporary association between the virus entering their body and injuries/death, there is no meaningful link.

  43. Judge Dredd says:

    One vaccine (Pfizer) kills it’s victims more efficiently than COVID, and the other uses the fetal cells of aborted babies for its development thereby making it morally repugnant to take.
    All for a disease that is as benign as a bad flu.
    One would almost think that there is a hidden agenda here…

  44. Judge Dredd says:

    What happens when you have science as your god rather than the God.

  45. min says:

    GP son has patients in a number of nursing homes . For years he has had a Practice Nurse check on them daily as there is only one registered nurse per floor and PCAs are not allowed to do any medical treatment ,not even blood pressure , or report skin problems . Since Covid no pneumonia, ‘flu ,bronchitis mostly falls he has been treating.

  46. Up The Workers! says:

    Sounds like the sort of “cure” that Leftard geniuses like Deadly Dan and his Cabinet of performing Dementia-riddled, backside-covering imbeciles would dream up.

    That’s one way of ensuring that none of the vacinated ever die of Covid.

    The A.L.P.’s pro-death lobby would be mightily impressed.

  47. Dinky says:

    Looks like Nancy Pelosi survived her saline shot.

  48. Fair Shake says:

    Following on from the nursing home stories, a friend of mine who works as a nurse tells me the big concern is gastro. When that rears its head their clients drop like 9 pins. Mostly brought in by relatives and their little uns who happen to be good incubators of such. It’s not much fun when you reach old age 38+ 😉

  49. candy says:

    All a bit strange.

    I wonder what the age group was of those who died.
    If they were over 85 why are the experts allowing vaccinating this risky frail group. Seems like experimentation.

    But if they were under 80 this would be very concerning too. Does the risk extend down to say under 70.

  50. Chris M says:

    And this is an annual injection!

    A convenient purge.

  51. Peter S says:

    They were all over 80 and already suffering co-morbidities. Mist likely their deaths had nothing to do with the vaccine.

  52. Mak Siccar says:

    Interesting article in today’s Quadrant, and extract of which follows.

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2021/01/covid-19-a-realistic-approach-to-community-management/

    Conclusions

    The incidence and mortality of COVID-19 in the US and Europe is of crushing proportions, with no end in sight. Australia has been protected through its island position and good quality public health, but this does not guarantee that conditions will not worsen. The ferocity of infection has been noted in both NSW and Victoria. The isolation and economic impact of lockdowns must have a limited horizon. Relaxing national borders is not being discussed. Planning on the basis that all this will change following the introduction of vaccines needs reassessment, as early review of trial data, while showing short-term protection from significant symptomatic disease, must be tempered by evidence that infection is little reduced when asymptomatic and “PCR-ve COVID-19” cases are counted.

    Current vaccines remain experimental, as issues of safety and asymptomatic infection (and the infectivity of asymptomatic carriers and the implications of these observations for non- vaccinated individuals) are assessed, as must be the duration and level of protection in those vaccinated. This data is particularly needed for those most at risk. Uncertainties regarding the capacity of current vaccines to attain herd immunity due to continued asymptomatic infection dictate that additional measures to reduce the impact of the pandemic must be put in place.

    Two drugs used early reduce admission into hospital and death, including in those considered high-risk subjects, and they go a significant way to filling this need: HCQ and IVM. Both can be used as prophylactic or therapeutic medications.

    From uncertain beginnings, an impressive data base has more recently accumulated that strongly supports the use of HCQ and/or IVM. Their use in concert with vaccines can no longer be denied; indeed this is the only science-based option.

    Governments must look at how best to manage vaccine production, as it is probable that “antigen drift” will demand vaccine adjustment on a regular basis. This may favour mRNA vaccines, given that vector vaccines are essentially “one-off” due to antibody generation against the vector with the first dose. Although traditional antigen vaccines (and their sophisticated replacements) used for influenza vaccines (and in the NovaVax and Chinese COVID-19 vaccines) may in the longer run prove superior and most adapted for the continued matching of “antigen drift”. With many issues to be resolved as the place of vaccines becomes clearer, it is important to reinforce the value of both vaccine and early drug treatment. The uncertainties as to where vaccines will travel reinforces the necessity to focus on early treatment regimens. While more effective drugs will be developed, currently HCQ and IVM fill a void and will save lives.

    This is not a time to argue “vaccine or antiviral”, but one for an integration of early sequenced multidrug therapy and vaccination for COVID-19 naïve subjects, into the COVID-19 management plan to enable optimal disease management and community confidence in rebuilding our societies. Equally, it is not a time for those who should know better to publicly argue for one or other vaccine, when evidence for any such choice is well down the line, and the Australian community need to get behind a “vaccine for us all” programme, if even the slightest chance of herd immunity is to be achieved.

    Robert Clancy is Emeritus Professor of Pathology at the University of Newcastle Medical School. He is a member of the Australian Academy of Science’s COVID-19 Expert Database.

  53. Ed Case says:

    More information needed!
    If these nursing home patients died over the next few days, big deal, the average lifespan on a NH patient is about 3 months, so 33 dying out of 40,000 isn’t remarkable.
    If they all collapsed in the chair and died after getting CoronaJabbed, that’s a different story.
    Altho if 33 died, wouldn’t thousands be likely to have have an “adverse reaction” that was worth notin g?

  54. Paul says:

    The real problem seems to be the elderly and sick who are taking up too much of the globullists hospital resources, and funding and leaving too little for them. Younger generations are just being cowered into submission by as many fears as the globullists can dream up.

  55. Paul says:

    Mak Siccar

    #3728433, posted on January 18, 2021 at 12:07 pm


    We wouldn’t need herd immunity if the whole population were prescribed inexpensive common therapeutics as HCQ or Ivermectin treatments as prophylactics. how quickly would the communist virus have disappeared?

  56. rickw says:

    They were all over 80 and already suffering co-morbidities. Mist likely their deaths had nothing to do with the vaccine.

    Pretty much like deaths “from” COVID-19.

  57. Simple Simon says:

    Mak Siccar
    #3728433, posted on January 18, 2021 at 12:07 pm

    Other points from the article that deserve attention here and more widely:

    Typical data for high risk subjects (over 50 years of age with one or more co-morbidities) in the US is currently 18-20 per cent hospitalisation, with mortality around 1 per cent.

    The idea that a vaccine would induce sterilising immunity, and therefore prevent community spread …. was never a likely outcome, as such success was asking more of the immune apparatus responsible for containment of a respiratory virus than had been observed. The first principal of vaccinology has always been that a vaccine is unlikely to give better protection than does the disease itself.

    Current opinion can be summarised as follows:
    # The previously quoted “90 per cent protection” was for symptomatic disease (without evidence of reduction in admission to hospital or death, which remains unclear in early post vaccine release data). Significant reaction at injection sites suggests biased reporting in mRNA vaccines due to its “unblinding effect”.

    # The vaccines give little (at best 50 per cent) protection against infection (as opposed to “clinical symptoms”) over the eight weeks observation period

    When FDA data (not provided by Pfizer) was analysed to include “suspected COVID-19 disease”, protection against infection dropped to 20 per cent (increasing only to 30 per cent when Week One was not included).
    # Careful following up of the Oxford vaccine trial showed re-infection rates in those given the vaccine who had positive cultures at the start of the trial was the same as “first-up infections” in the placebo group.

    The safety status of mRNA viruses is far from being understood, with reports suggesting a range of hypersensitivity and autoimmune responses.

    All three vaccines are experimental, with limited experience in humans, and using little-tried delivery systems.

    Given the multiple issues with currently available genetic vaccines, consideration of more traditional inactivated and sub-unit antigen vaccines should be assessed, particularly as the experimental delivery systems being used have not been shown to offer any significant advantage.

    To summarise current position with vaccines;
    # Little protection against infection occurs, although protection against symptomatic disease is significant, but is likely to be far less than 90 per cent. It remains to be demonstrated whether this translates into protection against admission to hospital and mortality since this was not the case in two months of follow-up with the mRNA vaccines.

    # Re-infection in vaccinated subjects appears to occur at a similar rate as it does for community non-vaccinated controls.
    # There is no realistic chance of herd immunity [from vaccines], given the high rate of asymptomatic infections in vaccinated individuals.

    None of the “clever” delivery systems have yet proved to be an advantage over traditional (or 21st century variations) adjuvenated split vaccines (other than for those who own the patent).
    # It can be predicted that endemic spread of the virus throughout the population will occur.

    Early Drug Treatment

    Two drugs are effective: hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and ivermectin (IVM), with most effective trials including nutraceutical, zinc and intracellular antibiotics.


    Every study of early treatment, has shown protection, confirmed in multiple meta analyses. Both drugs have a high-level safety records.

    The data base supporting the value of treatment of COVID-19 disease is so strong that it is hard to understand the current philosophy of “wait until you are sick enough, then go to hospital”

    Suggested reasons for unscientific denial include: ideological unmovable mindsets; a rapidly evolving pandemic where new data appears on a daily basis, making it hard to keep up with the data flow; failure to understand the value of non-RCT data sets which, from the scientific and ethical viewpoints, are appropriate to the circumstances of a pandemic; and a total focus on an anticipated COVID-free world following the release of vaccines.

    All bolding added.

  58. The BigBlueCat says:

    Watching Brendan Murphy on ABC24, I got to thinking that if what he said was right (nothing to worry about here, maybe just a coincidence because they were old and frail) – where the hell was that explanation from Murphy during the height of the “pandemic”? Only on the ABC (or if you’re a leftist) can you have it both ways ….

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