Incitement?

Normally we sing Greg Craven’s praises, but today I spotted this silliness in The Australian:

But here is the legal fact. Trump has engaged in activity that falls squarely within the definition of insurrection and associated offences. When an armed mob invades the legislature, that is an attack on government and its functions.

When a President stokes the rage of that mob, and then invites them to stroll to the Capitol, you are talking “incitement” and “conspiracy”.

Hmmmmmmm. No. That is not a legal fact. That is Greg Craven’s opinion.

Here is the opinion of Jeffrey Scott Shapiro – former assistant attorney general of the District of Columbia – writing in the Wall Street Journal.

The president didn’t mention violence on Wednesday, much less provoke or incite it. He said, “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

District law defines a riot as “a public disturbance . . . which by tumultuous and violent conduct or the threat thereof creates grave danger of damage or injury to property or persons.” When Mr. Trump spoke, there was no “public disturbance,” only a rally. The “disturbance” came later at the Capitol by a small minority who entered the perimeter and broke the law. They should be prosecuted.

The president’s critics want him charged for inflaming the emotions of angry Americans. That alone does not satisfy the elements of any criminal offense, and therefore his speech is protected by the Constitution that members of Congress are sworn to support and defend.

If Donald Trump has actually incited a riot – or as his critics hilariously claim, a coup attempt – no doubt, he will be prosecuted in an open court and found guilty by a jury of his peers. What we have seen, however, is partisan allegations made by Democrats and their useful useless idiot Republican allies.

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126 Responses to Incitement?

  1. Rex Mango says:

    Here is a great resource where you can quickly scroll through lots of videos to see how the riot started. Quite obvious loons in paramilitary gear & those with loud hailers were the problem. Were they Trump supporters the question:

    https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/

  2. Nick says:

    Even better is to contrast his statements with those made by Democrat leaders during the BLM riots

  3. Bruce says:

    Basically, the global LSM are scum and inextricably in a toxic symbiotic relationship with the forces of darkness.

    And those are their finer features.

  4. candy says:

    Weirdly The Australian is more anti Trump that even the SMH.

    I don’t know what comes first – PM Morrison shunning Trump with distaste (and not thanking him for the American decoration Trump awarded), and the Oz journalists all follow like sheep, or the Oz has taken a sharp Left turn and Morrison is following that? I understand Morrison and The Australian journalists are bound up together.

  5. Mother Lode says:

    Hmmmmmmm. No. That is not a legal fact. That is Greg Craven’s opinion.

    Ah, but it is a fact that it is his opinion.

    Snopes would rate it ‘Mostly true’.

  6. Old School Conservative says:

    Looks like a shootout between Greg Craven’s American legal qualifications and the law degree held by Chris Cuomo:

    “Please, show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful,” he said. “Because I can show you that outraged citizens are what made the country what she is and led to any major milestone. To be honest, this is not a tranquil time.”

  7. Mark M says:

    I’m old enough to remember 2017 …

    Trump inauguration protests: charges dropped against last 39 activists

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/06/trump-inauguration-protests-charges-dropped

  8. H B Bear says:

    Yes, a most strange piece from Craven.

  9. Rob says:

    It’s a truely craven opinion.

  10. Pyrmonter says:

    For five years we – the skeptical, information-consuming public (including those of us whose inclinations are toward smaller government, robust defence of the rule of law, personal freedom, secure property, lower taxes, international unity in opposition to the menaces of communism and fascism, and free trade … the core principles of post 1945 ‘conservatism’) – have been told by the gatekeepers of centre-right thinking that of Trump we must ‘don’t take him literally, take him seriously’ (eg https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trump-makes-his-case-in-pittsburgh/501335/).

    In 2021 a bunch of the GOP do: and conclude that Donald Trump calling for ‘peaceful’ action is not to be taken literally. And then it is said they’re being partisan? In one sense, I rather hope they are. Partisans for principle over the pragmatic accommodations that have allowed their party to be one the one hand cowed, and on the other seduced down the path toward Latin caudillism.

  11. C.L. says:

    Australia’s Catholic intelligentsia – such as it is – tends to cleave snuggly to Democrat/liberal talking points. Principals think it shows the left that their hearts are in the right place.

  12. Rorschach says:

    “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

    In context, Trump also did not want anyone to mount a coup or any such thing. What he wanted (and asked Pence to do) was to send the electoral college votes back to the states’ legislature for re-assessment. This is totally in line with the constitution… He wanted the crowd to give Pence and the Republicans the people power to do the right thing:

    He tweeted this on Jan 5

    “States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

    @realDonaldTrump

    Here are some relevant quotes from Trump’s speech on Jan 6

    Donald Trump: (08:09)

    “We’re supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our constitution. States want to revote. The States got defrauded. They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice-President Pence has to do is send it back to the States to recertify, and we become President, and you are the happiest people…”

    Donald Trump: (39:16)

    And they want to re certify their votes. They want to re certify. But the only way that can happen is if Mike Pence agrees to send it back.

    Trump’s final rallying call was not the incite violence against anyone. He wanted the crowd to give Republicans the people power to do the right thing:

    Donald Trump: (01:12:43)

    So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

    https://justfacts.votesmart.org/public-statement/1492704/donald-trump-speech-save-america-rally-transcript-january-6

  13. Kim says:

    Mitch McConnell has told Congress that Trump incited the riot. So it seems that everyone of any status appointed by Trump or in authority in the GOP all think Trump is culpable. Let’s see if anyone credible is going to defend his actions.

  14. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Look around you Pyrmonter.

    There is no way that “smaller government, robust defence of the rule of law, personal freedom, secure property, lower taxes, international unity in opposition to the menaces of communism and fascism, and free trade” can possibly be described as being “the core principles of post 1945 ‘conservatism’”.

    If it is, the post 1945 conservatism failed and died many, many years ago.

  15. Snoopy says:

    When an armed mob invades the legislature,

    Armed?

  16. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    Th obummer administration was the most corrupt in modern history

    Biden: hold my beer….

  17. Tom says:

    There was a similar piece of Trump Derangement in this morning’s Melbourne Herald Sun(“Respect Must Be Restored” on Page 20 of the print edition, in which former Victorian premier Jeff Kennett asserts: “Never before have we witnessed such behaviour by an outgoing elected leader in a democracy”).

    Kennett’s only possible excuse is that he was too lazy to look past the idiotic coverage of US politics by the Australian news media.

    I suspect Kennett, put in the same position, would have done exactly as Trump has done on behalf of the 80 million Americans disenfranchised by electoral fraud.

    Furthermore, the USA is now a one-party state. By not contesting the election fix, the Republican Party has signed its own electoral death warrant, such are the financial incentives for not defying the DC swamp.

    America will get the “elected” leaders the Democratic Party chooses for the foreseeable future because there is no penalty for the cheating on an industrial scale that occurred in November and earlier this month in the Georgia Senate runoff.

  18. Pyrmonter says:

    @ Rorschach

    So you concede that Trump set the mob on the legislature to try to upset constitutional process. Do we need more?

  19. stackja says:

    Donald Trump upset the usual suspects.
    MSM lied. Biden people cheated.
    USA voters have a decision to make.

  20. stackja says:

    Statement from the Press Secretary
    Issued on: January 19, 2021

    Today, President Donald J. Trump released his farewell address to the Nation. The video can be viewed by clicking here.

    Remarks by President Trump In Farewell Address to the Nation
    Issued on: January 19, 2021

    ….

    Now, as I prepare to hand power over to a new administration at noon on Wednesday, I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning. There’s never been anything like it. The belief that a nation must serve its citizens will not dwindle but instead only grow stronger by the day.

    As long as the American people hold in their hearts deep and devoted love of country, then there is nothing that this nation cannot achieve. Our communities will flourish. Our people will be prosperous. Our traditions will be cherished. Our faith will be strong. And our future will be brighter than ever before.

    I go from this majestic place with a loyal and joyful heart, an optimistic spirit, and a supreme confidence that for our country and for our children, the best is yet to come.

    Thank you, and farewell. God bless you. God bless the United States of America.

    END

  21. Pyrmonter says:

    @ Doomlord.

    Compared to 1945:

    – there is freeish flow of capital, goods, services and even people between the advanced economies
    – the largest number of those economies (though not the greatest measured by value of output) are tied in a once liberal regional bloc, which has ejected one of its members for wanting to deviate from four supposed basic requirements of free movement of goods, services, people and capital
    – communism as an organized political movement has been all but eliminated. The Chinese nationalist gangsters are no more in the vein of Stalin, Brezhnev, Mao and Honecker than we are, whatever they call themselves.
    – you and I could expect a fair trial on criminal charges before a substantially independent judge in almost any advanced economy, and a bunch of middle income countries. Compare that to the situation in even the core countries as recently as 1970: you don’t need to think about the Iberian or Greek fascists, pondering the treatment of prisoners charged with terrorism in the UK at that time will do.

    I wish the world was different. I wish each country adopted free trade unilaterally. That the system of spoils and patronage was smaller. That our conception of democracy was more one of democratic accountability through liberal constitutional mechanisms, not one of ‘the will of the people’, increasingly propounded on both left and right.

    But I can also imagine things getting a lot worse … and imagine they will do so if (a) ‘Trumpism’ – a confection of the worst of political theatre, populism, ethnic identity politics, a cult of personality and simply bad ideas – persists; and (b) if, it existing, it drives (as it has in 2018 and 2020) a sizeable part of the US electorate that hitherto voted for the GOP into the arms of the Dems: a party that has itself lurched to the left.

  22. lotocoti says:

    When an armed mob invades the legislature …

    Anyone happen to know where I can find vision of tooled up insurrectionists invading the building?
    Unless by armed, he doesn’t mean Evil Black Rifles, but sticks carried by performance artists.

  23. Roger says:

    Australia’s Catholic intelligentsia – such as it is – tends to cleave snuggly to Democrat/liberal talking points. Principals think it shows the left that their hearts are in the right place.

    Handy to know when the liberal revolutionary wing comes to rip them out.

  24. Dave of Reedy Creek, Qld says:

    The Leftist rubbish in the Australian newspaper makes it unreadable. They are heading towards NY Times and Washington Post levels, read by lefties only. The only way to arrive at their destination is to ignore facts and truth and just put a negative slant on Trump and conservatives. Didn’t see any real “opinion” pieces over the behaviour of BLM or Antifa on January 6, obviously facts are too hard to handle. Plus we had Democrats inciting violence openly during much of Trumps tenure and no “opinion” pieces on those people.

  25. thefrollickingmole says:

    Snoopy
    #3730617, posted on January 20, 2021 at 10:57 am
    When an armed mob invades the legislature,

    Armed?

    I had Montgina try that one on and pointed him to an article that stated 5 “items” were taken from the crowd of tens of thousands.

    Anyway words are violence so anybody shouting was technically armed.

  26. Joanna Smythe says:

    We know what the media plan is. Keep repeating the same thing day after day and eventually it just becomes the norm.

  27. C.L. says:

    The Capitol isn’t a “sacred” place. It’s a soulless latrine and a shrine to a Godless leviathan.

    Its senior Democrat occupants worked with – and paid – the Kremlin to help oust an elected President; they sanctioned the imprisonment of an innocent men (General Flynn) and lying to a court. They tried to take over the Supreme Court by accusing an eminent man of gang rape. They ran two false impeachment trials – the first to cover up the Biden family’s bribes from Ukraine, the second to airbrush from historical existence the summer of terrorism and murder they endorsed.

    If the Maoist assholes inside the Capitol got a tune-up, good.

  28. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Dave of Reedy Creek, Qld
    #3730636, posted on January 20, 2021 at 11:15 am
    The Leftist rubbish in the Australian newspaper makes it unreadable. They are heading towards NY Times and Washington Post levels, read by lefties only. The only way to arrive at their destination is to ignore facts and truth and just put a negative slant on Trump and conservatives. Didn’t see any real “opinion” pieces over the behaviour of BLM or Antifa on January 6, obviously facts are too hard to handle. Plus we had Democrats inciting violence openly during much of Trumps tenure and no “opinion” pieces on those people.”

    Yep..which is why I cancelled my sub. The Oz was making me physically sick. It has taken a while but I’m no longer missing the newspaper. And now Cameron Stewart is back here in Oz as an “associate editor” I don’t expect the tone of the newspaper to become any less left-wing or progressive.

    I suspect that they’ve bled subscribers over the last few months.

  29. Mak Siccar says:

    Excellent post Prof Sinc. I read that piece this morning, the first half of which was rubbish. Very disappointing indeed how he, along with many other commentators at the Oz, have skewed to the left. Too often these days, the true facts emerge some time after the event by which time the damage has been done and the world, which has the attention span of a gnat, has moved onto the next piece of juicy tripe.

  30. Grip says:

    From Trump’s speech:

    It’s a disgrace. It’s a disgrace. Even when you look at last night, they’re all running around like chickens with their heads cut off with boxes. Nobody knows what the hell is going on. There’s never been anything like this. We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen.

    Crowd: (07:11)
    Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!

    Donald Trump: (07:11)
    Thank you. I’d love to have, if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed, the military, the secret service, and we want to thank you, and the police law enforcement. Great. You’re doing a great job, but I’d love it if they could be allowed to come up here with us. Is that possible? Can you just let them come up, please?

    So he was hoping leadership of the military and police would allow them to line up behind him – like any old tinpot dictator wants.

    He also knew the crowd was in “fighting” mood – they were chanting it to him.

    We also know now that his attorney general – Barr – had told him in the White House weeks previously that the fraud allegations were “bullshit”. And that the courts had endorsed none of them. Yet he was repeating them, in boring detail, to his crowd on Jan 6.

    There is plenty there to treat it as implicit incitement, if not for court action, for the impeachment.

    Oh yeah, what did McConnell say today?:

    “The mob was fed lies,” McConnell said on the Senate floor on the last full day of Trump’s presidency. “They were provoked by the president and other powerful people. And they tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of the first branch of the federal government which they did not like. But we pressed on.”

    Barr, McConnell: all part of a Deep State, hey?

    What a bunch of fools you would have to be to believe that.

  31. BrettW says:

    Hopefully during any impeachment proceedings the Republicans repeatedly use this angle.

    “Even better is to contrast his statements with those made by Democrat leaders during the BLM riots”

  32. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Hmmmmmmm. No. That is not a legal fact. That is Greg Craven’s opinion”

    Craven really should know better rather than joining in the chorus of TDS. I recall his masterly smackdown of their ABC on 7 April 2020 (a glorious day) for their partisan opinion and hack reporting of Cardinal George Pell…another target of leftist smears and lies.

  33. Rex Anger says:

    But I can also imagine things getting a lot worse … and imagine they will do so if (a) ‘Trumpism’ – a confection of the worst of political theatre, populism, ethnic identity politics, a cult of personality and simply bad ideas – persists; and (b) if, it existing, it drives (as it has in 2018 and 2020) a sizeable part of the US electorate that hitherto voted for the GOP into the arms of the Dems: a party that has itself lurched to the left.

    Pyrmonter does understand that the OrangeManBadism he so deplores is a massed popular reaction to both the Democrats’ open flirtations with fascism, and the sniffy impotence of him and his fellow ‘post-1945 conservatism’ principalists, correct?

    Given that in practice, the fascists and market enthusiasts tend to find their common ground to be far greater than their differences? To the fatal detriment od the nations and peoples they rely upon to generate their wealth?

    Ergo, the little fellow who might actually think that the conservativist has some ideas for his nation be quite agrees with, has increasingly found himself unemployed, improverished, scorned, abused and kicked down by the fascists. With the conservativist looking on with the occasional look of theatrical distaste for the audience’s ‘benefit.’ And often egging said fascist on when said little deplorable begs the conservativist for help…

    That nasty Trumpism is, in practice, what conservatism, nationalism and liberalism traditionally were. Before they got fat, lazy and enamoured with tyranny to preserve their power and ascendancy.

  34. ben says:

    The thing is that almost every video I’ve seen from inside the ‘riot’, actually just shows a few people wandering around, chatting with security and not actually destroying anything.

    Compare that footage to the BLM “peaceful” protests where buildings including churches were set on fire, businesses were looted and ravaged, over $2 billion dollars worth of damage was done, and over 30 people died.

  35. Rex Anger says:

    What a bunch of fools you would have to be to believe that.

    No more than you who spouts the Big Lies without a hint of self-awareness or irony, China troll…

  36. Terry Andrews says:

    The breach of the capitol building was a pantomime choreographed by the Dem machine. When the lefty rent a mob were in position security opened the doors. Antifa later posed with MAGA hats. So obvious

  37. 1735099 says:

    If Donald Trump has actually incited a riot – or as his critics hilariously claim, a coup attempt – no doubt, he will be prosecuted in an open court and found guilty by a jury of his peers. What we have seen, however, is partisan allegations made by Democrats and their useful useless idiot Republican allies.

    The problem with Trump’s behaviour is not what he did on January 6th, but what he had been doing for years prior.
    Even before he was elected in 2016, he was repeating ad nauseum that if he lost, it would be because the vote was rigged.
    When he won, that meme was put aside for a while.
    It re-emerged, supercharged by Fox News and others prior to the 2020 poll, and was hammered right up until January 6th.
    If he had been fair dinkum, he would have established a commission to probe electoral irregularities in 2016.
    But wait…he did.
    And he disbanded it on January 3, 2018.
    Mike Pence was the chair of the Commission (PACEI) during its short lifetime.
    I often wonder whether one of the main motivations for Pence’s behaviour around certification has its origins in his experience with PACEI.
    It’s telling that he was silent on the issue.
    Perhaps that was because he knew beyond doubt that stolen election meme was a scam.
    Being physically threatened by Trump’s people may also have concentrated his mind somewhat.

  38. Kim says:

    Rex Anger: 10 defence secretaries including two appointed by Trump published a plea to head off Trump’s military coup. None of just senior appointments. Nor any if his court appointments supported his lies about the election. Barr told him it was bullshit. See if you can find anyone at all credible who believes he wasn’t staging an attempt to overturn an election.

  39. Rorschach says:

    So you concede that Trump set the mob on the legislature to try to upset constitutional process. Do we need more?

    Trump rallies are remarkably non-violent. MAGA’s typically pick up their rubbish afterwards! And this was not any different … it was not a MAGA MOB.[Whilst no one condones violence, it was ANTIFA breaking doors and inciting the weaker / more emotional individuals]

    Regardless – Given that every (electronic or printed) public forum was taken away from him and the conservatives … and the fraud was beyond blatant – the public square is the only one available to voice the “we the people’s” grievances and demands TO FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION! And this is explicitly constitutionally protected [to the extent that even the 2nd Amendment is in place to ensure that this can occur].

    We now have a lovely precedent where [the fraud party of Tammany Hall, Dalley’s Chicago, and this debacle] can send WHATEVER electoral college to DC and apparently nobody can do anything. And if the defrauded “we the people” dare say anything they are mobs, domestic terrorists and worse.

  40. 1735099 says:

    I suspect that they’ve bled subscribers over the last few months.

    That is so quaint – the ultimate extension of the “shoot the messenger” meme.
    If you don’t like the news, don’t buy the newspaper – works every time, said the ostrich to the emu.
    Funnily enough, the Oz is actually increasing its circulation.

  41. sabena says:

    There is another piece of silliness in the Craven article where he claims Trump is authoritarian and this has somehow rubbed off on Andrews and McGowan.

  42. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “If you don’t like the news, don’t buy the newspaper – works every time, said the ostrich to the emu.”

    So glad you are acknowledging yourself….baby steps.

  43. Lee says:

    Mitch McConnell has told Congress that Trump incited the riot.

    Mitch McConnell?
    LOL

  44. Daily llama says:

    Less than a day to go. What’s everyone gonna talk about when he’s gone? The place might be a bit boring!

  45. mh says:

    On his last full day in office, President Donald Trump enjoys a 51 percent approval rating, according to Rasmussen Reports, one of only about three polling firms that have a proven track record for legitimacy and accuracy

  46. Rex Anger says:

    . See if you can find anyone at all credible who believes he wasn’t staging an attempt to overturn an election.

    Plenty of non-Obama appointees, non-Derp Staters and actual patriots out there in all walks of.life Ellen.

    But because they don’t match the Narrative, stooges like you won’t listen.

    Nice sock, by the way. Pity what might happen to it (‘peacefully,’ of course…) if you wind up the counter-trolls again and fail to keep your cool…

  47. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Less than a day to go. What’s everyone gonna talk about when he’s gone? The place might be a bit boring!”

    There’s someone here who talks about a war in Vietnam fifty years ago….now that is boring.

  48. Boambee John says:

    Kim
    #3730612, posted on January 20, 2021 at 10:53 am
    Mitch McConnell has told Congress that Trump incited the riot. So it seems that everyone of any status appointed by Trump or in authority in the GOP all think Trump is culpable. Let’s see if anyone credible is going to defend his actions.

    I’d rather see someone credible compare his actions with those of Demonrat “leaders” last year, then decide who was in the wrong.

    Don’t bother trying, you are NOT credible.

  49. Boambee John says:

    Snoopy
    #3730617, posted on January 20, 2021 at 10:57 am
    When an armed mob invades the legislature,

    Armed?

    Indeed, one attached to each shoulder.

    The first unarmed “insurrection” in history, brought to you by the Demonrats and the MSM (BIRM).

  50. Rorschach says:

    See if you can find anyone at all credible who believes he wasn’t staging an attempt to overturn an election.

    Trump wasn’t trying to overturn an election. He was trying to stop the steal of an election. MASSIVE difference.

  51. candy says:

    Trump said they are only “just beginning”. He would mean MAGA.

    Maybe just to annoy the Republicans but it makes you wonder.

  52. Googoomuck says:

    It’s a truely craven opinion.

    What on earth is he putting in his Craven As?

  53. Boambee John says:

    Pyrmonter
    #3730620, posted on January 20, 2021 at 10:57 am
    @ Rorschach

    So you concede that Trump set the mob on the legislature to try to upset constitutional process. Do we need more?

    No, he wanted a peaceful demonstration (I think there might be mention of such in the US Constitution) to encourage fulfillment of a Constitutional requirement.

  54. 1735099 says:

    The most accurate poll of 2016 was the McClatchy/Marist poll.

    Their current polling shows Trump leaving office with a 38% approval rating.

  55. 1735099 says:

    He was trying to stop the steal of an election.

    There is no evidence that the election was stolen.

  56. candy says:

    See if you can find anyone at all credible who believes he wasn’t staging an attempt to overturn an election.

    An insurrection or coup without guns is a ridiculous concept, Kim.

    How were they going to kidnap and kill representatives – how would they get the kidnapped out, and where were the cars to put them in, before you even contemplate killing them somewhere. And then what.

    It’s an entirely stupid stupid idea that protestors were going to have a coup.

  57. Rex Anger says:

    80 million people is a lot of dissidents.

    All of whom seem to have the temerity to believe in themselves, their families and their nation.

    As an act of Healing, I propose President Sleepy rounds up all ofnthem and deports them to Australia.

    Such an industrious and socially responsible influx would do our nation wonders.

    The Donald and his family can come, too. The political and moneyed classes in this place could do with a good dose of disruption…

    (Cue Bobby boy and Ellen amd Pyrmonter and Lucy’s heads exploding in 3…2…1…)

  58. Pyrmonter says:

    @ Sabena

    I disagree. Trump has claimed to be a strongman in a way that past right-of-centre leaders – Thatcher, Reagan, Howard – very much weren’t: they understood that their positions rested on constitutional order and the rule of law. Trump has shown that there is remarkably wide acceptance of the idea that the head of government should exercise plenary power; Andrews and McGowan have simply, unhappily, followed in his wake.

  59. Boambee John says:

    So he was hoping leadership of the military and police would allow them to line up behind him – like any old tinpot dictator wants.

    Whereas the incoming fascist administration seems to want personal loyalty to the new president, with any “suspects” to be purged. Just like a tinpot dictator?

    Please change to a more appropriate tag. I suggest “Tripe”.

  60. Rex Anger says:

    He was trying to stop the steal of an election.

    There is no evidence that the election was stolen.

    All right, who pushed Bobby boy’s Press-To-Tell-Political-Lies button again?

    Can we please stick to the I Hate Menzies and Poor Me, I was forced to go to Vietnam even though I had other options buttons going forward?

    Thank you.

  61. notafan says:

    There was no incitement.
    Trump did not kill 400,000 Americans.

    Progressives are liars, and they control the media.

  62. Boambee John says:

    said the ostrich to the emu.

    Even the ostrich (head in bum, mind in neutral) now acknowledges his name!

  63. Boambee John says:

    1735099
    #3730709, posted on January 20, 2021 at 12:08 pm
    He was trying to stop the steal of an election.

    There is no evidence that the election was stolen.

    Head still in bum, mind still in neutral.

  64. Boambee John says:

    Pyrmonter

    Trump has shown that there is remarkably wide acceptance of the idea that the head of government should exercise plenary power;

    I don’t think that it was Trump who exercised plenary power under the ambit of “I have a pen and a telephone”. Perhaps Andrews and McGowan got their ideas from Obama? Dare to consider the possibility, you might find it liberating.

  65. jrm says:

    I’d wondered what was going on with Mitch McConnell but then I watched The Next Revolution on Sunday and Peter Schweizer had this to say which makes it all explicable. https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/schweizer-mcconnell-and-wife-financially-connected-to-china-government/

  66. 1735099 says:

    All of whom seem to have the temerity to believe in themselves, their families and their nation.

    Some of them have the temerity to believe in Pi77agate, lizard people and stolen elections.
    I learned in Vietnam many years ago, that with some Septics, you can tell them anything, sell them anything.
    Nothing has changed…

  67. Kneel says:

    ” the public square is the only one available to voice the “we the people’s” grievances and demands TO FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION!”

    I wonder why this would be:

    https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/19/majority-voters-think-america-wrong-track-poll-shows/

    “The NBC News poll showed that 73% of respondents indicated the country is on the wrong track, while only a mere 21% of Americans approve of the country’s direction.”

  68. Rex Anger says:

    Some of them have the temerity to believe in Pi77agate, lizard people and stolen elections.

    Well,you believed in the futility of your cause, despite subsequent experience and Soviet archives comprehensively demonstrating otherwise

    You have also persisted with Wussia wussia wussia and this latest incitement malarkey.

    Do you really think it’s wise to be throwing stones in your Toowoomba glasshouse, Bobby boy?

    The humidity gets real nasty up that way…

  69. bruce says:

    I groaned when I read this. Silly me I have should have expected any piece in the Oz on Trump
    would be a hit job. (Jennifer Oriel is a notable exception)
    Gee there are some poor editorials by people who should know better. They do zero analysis on what they’re writing about but just cut and paste from the msm mockingbird.
    Lazy, biased, mischief making, whatever call it what you like.
    Blind freddy knows the rioters weren’t republicans who had descended on Washington to peacefully
    protest the fraudulent election. Trump has never, and would never, incite or condone violence from his supporters. To suggest otherwise is a lie.

  70. vlad says:

    It’s not enough to post some vague quote here that *you* think constitutes incitement, leftist guests; you have to post the smoking gun quote where DJT clearly and unequivocally told a mob to go in and trash the Capitol.

    And guess what, you won’t be able to, because he never did.

  71. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “I learned in Vietnam many years ago, that with some Septics, you can tell them anything, sell them anything.”

    Isn’t “Septics” racial abuse?

  72. vlad says:

    Isn’t “Septics” racial abuse?

    +100

  73. Rorschach says:

    The most accurate poll of 2016 was the McClatchy/Marist poll.

    Their current polling shows Trump leaving office with a 38% approval rating.

    Rasmussen was … but regardless. Just about every poll shows Trump’s approval rating unchanged from before the election to now. [i.e. same as when he won 10M more votes that Obama].

    For example:

    https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2021_02/3442475/_who_approve_of_trumps_job_performance_all_republicans_democrats_independents_chartbuilder_c19a7a379155f0d2dca74475d847acbc.fit-560w.png

    Note – that on the same NBC poll, Biden’s personal approval rating was only a couple of points higher at 44% positive.

  74. Kneel says:

    “There is no evidence that the election was stolen.”

    Still no comment on the errors in official count numbers?
    Still no interest in finding an explanation for how >400,000 errors like vote counts going down, votes being moved to other candidates and votes being “black-holed” and no longer in the count?

    Details here:
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-with-data-scientists-public-data-shows-432000-trump-votes-removed-in-pennsylvania_3645160.html

    My bold.

    “I think for a lot of people, there’s a simple explanation, which is that voting is supposed to be very straightforward. This is an additive process, one candidate gets more votes than the other, and we move on. But that night, we saw votes actually dropping live on television, whole swings of votes, hundreds of thousands. I was sitting there with my family and friends saying, “What is happening? I don’t understand.””

    “Mr. Jekielek: Tell me about what all your data sources are and how they compare to one another.

    Ms. McLaughlin: I think that’s been a really big question for a lot of people: If you’re doing this data, why hasn’t anybody else? That’s a good question, we don’t have the answer to it either. Especially for our elected officials, many of whom we’ve asked to take a very close look at this, because you don’t need warrants, you don’t need subpoenas, you don’t need to do anything.

    This data is readily available. It is public information, and you can access it, you can get it from the Edison website, you can get it from the New York Times website, it’s taken directly from the JSON feeds of all those websites, we scraped the raw data and then we’ve compared it to the secretaries of state websites, and in most cases, they sync-up completely.

    “Mr. Jekielek: So basically, you’re saying that there are more errors in these contested states where election results have been certified, than would justify that certification.

    Ms. McLaughlin: That’s correct. The one mantra that was going on during this election was that every vote counts, that every vote was important, that every vote mattered. But it doesn’t seem that’s very true—when we see over 400,000 errors in the state of Pennsylvania, when we see direct switches like we saw in Bibb County, Georgia, where there are over 12,000 votes that were swapped from Trump to Biden.”

    “Mr. Jekielek: What is the recourse in a situation like this? What is it that you hope to accomplish with these examples that you’ve [given]?

    Ms. McLaughlin: It’s a great question. When we start getting into numbers where we’re talking about hundreds of thousands of errors, tens of thousands of switches, when we start to see these anomalies, corrections, whatever adjective you want to give them, happening over and over again in all these different states—we’re talking about six swing states but it happened in several states—and then you compare them to the states where it was a normal election, if you can A and B those two, and you can look at what a normal election would be, you start to see it even more clearly and you understand something very strange happened here.

    Why doesn’t anyone want to look into it? Why would they move forward in Georgia today with an election, having changed nothing with so many people coming forward, giving all of this information? These are people that have been in voting polls and working their precincts for 30 years, some of them, and they’re saying, “I’ve never seen anything like this. This doesn’t make any sense.” So we just want to get those answers. The data tells us the story. We just need to read it and find out why.”

  75. WX says:

    When you know you cannot compete by improving your own performance, you can either diminish the ability of your competitor/s, or change the ‘rules.’

    Our opponents have spent decades, successfully and without opposition, redefining words, terms, and concepts (racism, sexism, misogyny, equality, social justice; most recently riot, incitement, coup/insurrection etc.), to suit their plans and abilities. Rather than seek to compete on a ‘level playing field,’ they undermine their opponents and the change the shape of the ‘field’ to ensure their dominance. They do whatever is necessary to minimise the risks they take.

    They are smarter than we, the underdogs, give them credit for. But their strategies and tactics are neither new, complex, or unassailable.

    Shorter version of the above: They’ve changed the meaning of words/concepts like violence, incitement, and riot, because they make the rules, and their opponents meekly accept that, offering nothing more than a flaccid whine about ‘hypocrisy.’

    They will continue to do what has worked for them thus far. And their opponents will … ?

  76. H B Bear says:

    Time you git some Vietnam learnin’s. Thanks NamBob.

  77. The Beer whisperer says:

    Snoopy
    #3730617, posted on January 20, 2021 at 10:57 am
    When an armed mob invades the legislature,

    Armed?

    Indeed they were, Snoops.

    They were armed with words, and as you know, words are violence.

    And weapons are violence. Ergo, they were armed.

    Muttley, get in here pronto and use your illogic to make my case for your idiots. Mush!

  78. Damon says:

    “armed insurrection”?
    A fire extinguisher and a 6 foot wooden spear. Try carrying that up the Empire State. I couldn’t get on a plane with a 2 inch pair of nail scissors. There was no significant security because the police did not believe Republicans would riot.

  79. Viva says:

    Support for Trump is not deemed “respectable” and that goes double for declaring the US election stolen or even slightly dodgy

    With few exceptions, the world establishment including Rupert and The Australian’s columnists have internalised this iron law.

    Even Brendan O’Neill has not wandered off the reservation on this one

  80. Rex Anger says:

    @ WX-

    Known in military circles as ‘Shaping Operations.’

    The idea being that you set the conditions by which you bring your enemy to battle and defeat him in detail. Usually presenting as a series of rolling, seemingly unrelated operations in the leadup to a particular planned raid or set-piece action.

    At least in theory.

    Shaping operations sort of rely on the other side letting you do what you want in the area unmolested, unless you are just looking at generalities like denying terrainnfeature X or town Y to the enemy, etc.

  81. Kim says:

    Candy: such a stupid idea that 10 defence secretaries- 2 chosen by Trump – who felt the need to intervene over military involvement. This occurred after trump had switched out key military leadership. Trump was attempting a coup – either by bullying pence into doing something shocking or trying to get the military to break their vows to the constitution.
    There’s no doubt about trump’s opinion, since he said before the election he would not accept any result that did not give him a win.

  82. 1735099 says:

    Details here:

    On the Epoch Times?
    You’ve got to be kidding.

    QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information.

  83. Rex Anger says:

    EllenG assumes that Derp State bugmen are completely virtuous and solely nation- and job-oriented by default. And would never stoop to a spot of virtue-signalling late in the piece because they recognise opportunities for comfortable sinecures within the new regime and its enablers.

    After all, Graft is never performed by insiders, is it Miss Sole Trader?

  84. Rex Anger says:

    What’s that, Bob?

    You only like Communist propaganda sources because they can be trusted to provide the Communist propaganda you like?

    [Fact Check: Untrue. The MSM sources that Bobby boy prefers to ezclusively cite are strong proponents of Fascism. Fascism is different only to Communism in its nationalist or racial focus vs. Communist Internationalism.]

  85. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “On the Epoch Times?”

    Hmm…more racism and religious bigotry from the racist. The Epoch Times is owned by John Tang, a Chinese American who is a member of Falun Gong.

    By the way…can anyone remember when an adherent of Falun Gong decapitated anyone?

    Keep it up racist.

  86. dover_beach says:

    Amusing to see people claim a milquetoast speech that invited people to ‘protest peacefully and patriotically’, and that uses phrases that are commonplace in ordinary political speech, ‘incited a mob’ to ‘storm the Capitol’. Do they even know the timeline involved? Trump had not yet uttered the words you are claiming ‘incited the mob’ before the poorly secured perimeter of the Capitol was breached and the Capitol building was breached only as the ‘mob’ was arriving from the Ellipse out the front of the White House to the Capitol building which normally takes 45-60 mins by foot.

    BTW, interesting to notice how silent otherwise ‘rule of law’ types are about threats of impeachment being made if the VP and Cabinet fail to invoke the 25th amendment which only applies if a President is ‘incapacitated’. And their stunning silence about a sham impeachment in the House which involved no hearings, no evidence, no cross-examination, and so on, and was completed in less than a day. Of a piece with their acts and omissions re the election contests and the like; they are all for the appearance of the rule of law but not its substance.

  87. gavalanche says:

    now is the time for men to lead again….
    we may not be able to do it in society, being as society is run mostly by barren women and emasculated men, but this is not where real leadership lies in any case.
    leadership lies now in holding the line of truth, whilst not reflecting back the murderous hate one cops because of this. it is hard but doable when one realises that all the hate is unconscious projection.
    yes its very simple: people who hate trump simply hate themselves and are unaware of it.

  88. dover_beach says:

    either by bullying pence into doing something shocking

    There is nothing shocking or unconstitutional in Pence asking the state legislatures of the contested states to review their certification in 10 days and either confirm or rescind their electoral college votes. What is shocking was Trump’s election contest in GA never being given a hearing within 20 days once the GA SoS certified the election which it is required to by law if a candidate seeks review. What is shocking is the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors ignoring a subpoena issued by the AZ State Judiciary Committee requesting a forensic audit. And so on.

  89. Tom says:

    Numptards are flocking to Doomlord’s troll swamp like flies to shit:

    There’s no doubt about trump’s opinion, since he said before the election he would not accept any result that did not give him a win.

    No, he didn’t, sweetie, which is why you haven’t provided a link.

    Trump said nothing of the kind. What he did utter was constant geeing up of his supporters (who voted for him in record numbers for a US president — until the Democratic Party’s ballot-stuffing criminals went to work around 10pm on November 3), which brainwashed rabbit-eared leftards like you misheard as Mein Kampf (the battle-cry for the 20th century’s most murderous leftard –apart from Mao Tse Tung).

    Imagine idiots like you being the corrupt US ruling class. Um, we don’t have to: they just turned the USA into a one-party banana republic where voting is illegal, except for temporary patsies like Joe Biden.

    Leftards aren’t very bright. The only thing they’re good at is street violence. But their guiding principle is the same one that drives the ALP: whatever it takes.

  90. Struth says:

    yes its very simple: people who hate trump simply hate themselves and are unaware of it.

    They are also as thick as two short planks and prone to violence.

    If you want to learn something from Trump and people like him, when the left accuse right wing folk of the violence antifa actually did pretending to be Trump supporters, the answer is not arguing about whether we did it or not.
    The answer is, what did you expect?

    They burn down cities and claim they had do choice, they were forced into it for whatever reason, their violence is justified because individual responsibility is anathema to lefties. One of the main reasons they love big government is they can blame their lot in life on others…..always a cop out.
    The politics for losers.

    So Violence is fine with the left, so it’s fine with us.
    They started it.

  91. gavalanche says:

    yep struth,
    unconsciousness….all the shit people wont face in themselves they project onto others
    the soap opera mentality
    it’s a tendency in society none are immune to, and far too many are ruled by.
    remember we are literally dealing with psychotic individuals at the higher positions of power – people like killary, obummer, sorearse etc – they are incurable…they embody the thanatos drive completely – death wish projected on whole world. seems like fizzer turnbull, krudd and others here also are cases of the aforementioned sickness….need i mention danistan.
    but yes the key is it’s illness, psychosis…would you trade places with these clowns? they living in lalaland and would not have what we in the real world call ‘friends’: authentic human contact. they may have a dog they genuinely love,,,but that’s about as far as their illness lets em go.
    our society is obsessed with mental illness but has yet to make the logical connection: ie the sicker you are the more you likely you will be able to play the ‘game of thrones’ successfully. we are literally rewarding sociopathic behaviour, and it starts at school and home where we encourage our kids to lie in order to do well, in order to be a ‘good boy’….
    far too many bricks in the wall at the moment
    and like trump said about the msm:
    just gotta go around em.

  92. Rafiki says:

    If Greg Craven (or indeed anybody else) asserts that Trump committed a crime they should (to taken seriously) (1) specify the crime by reference to statute or common law; (2) isolate each element of the crime(s); and (3) indicate briefly the material facts that point to no other reasonable inference to be drawn from those facts other than that each element exists.

    But will Greg et al even attempt to do so? Highly unlikely.

  93. Boambee John says:

    1735099
    #3730817, posted on January 20, 2021 at 1:55 pm
    Details here:

    On the Epoch Times?
    You’ve got to be kidding.

    QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information.

    The ostrich, of course, relies on “credible” sources. WaPo, NYT, Wiki. Top sources, top sources!

  94. 1735099 says:

    Dettol Donny’s FIGJAM farewell –

    THE PRESIDENT: My fellow Americans: Four years ago, we launched a great national effort to rebuild our country, to renew its spirit, and to restore the allegiance of this government to its citizens. In short, we embarked on a mission to make America great again — for all Americans.

    As I conclude my term as the 45th President of the United States, I stand before you truly proud of what we have achieved together. We did what we came here to do — and so much more.

    This week, we inaugurate a new administration and pray for its success in keeping America safe and prosperous. We extend our best wishes, and we also want them to have luck — a very important word.

    I’d like to begin by thanking just a few of the amazing people who made our remarkable journey possible.

    First, let me express my overwhelming gratitude for the love and support of our spectacular First Lady, Melania. Let me also share my deepest appreciation to my daughter Ivanka, my son-in-law Jared, and to Barron, Don, Eric, Tiffany, and Lara. You fill my world with light and with joy.

    The family Dynasty gets its kudos. Nepotism rules.

    I also want to thank Vice President Mike Pence, his wonderful wife Karen, and the entire Pence family.

    Just forget, what I said about him on 6th January.

    Thank you as well to my Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows; the dedicated members of the White House Staff and the Cabinet; and all the incredible people across our administration who poured out their heart and soul to fight for America.

    Forget that a very large number of them have jumped ship.

    I also want to take a moment to thank a truly exceptional group of people: the United States Secret Service. My family and I will forever be in your debt. My profound gratitude as well to everyone in the White House Military Office, the teams of Marine One and Air Force One, every member of the Armed Forces, and state and local law enforcement all across our country.

    Most of all, I want to thank the American people. To serve as your President has been an honor beyond description. Thank you for this extraordinary privilege. And that’s what it is — a great privilege and a great honor.

    We must never forget that while Americans will always have our disagreements, we are a nation of incredible, decent, faithful, and peace-loving citizens who all want our country to thrive and flourish and be very, very successful and good. We are a truly magnificent nation.

    All Americans were horrified by the assault on our Capitol. Political violence is an attack on everything we cherish as Americans. It can never be tolerated.

    Forget that I claimed that the election was rigged, and that I provoked an insurrection.

    Now more than ever, we must unify around our shared values and rise above the partisan rancor, and forge our common destiny.

    The partisan rancour that I contributed to by claiming that the election was rigged, and that my opponents were criminals.

    Four years ago, I came to Washington as the only true outsider ever to win the presidency. I had not spent my career as a politician, but as a builder looking at open skylines and imagining infinite possibilities. I ran for President because I knew there were towering new summits for America just waiting to be scaled. I knew the potential for our nation was boundless as long as we put America first.

    So I left behind my former life and stepped into a very difficult arena, but an arena nevertheless, with all sorts of potential if properly done. America had given me so much, and I wanted to give something back.

    Together with millions of hardworking patriots across this land, we built the greatest political movement in the history of our country. We also built the greatest economy in the history of the world. It was about “America First” because we all wanted to make America great again. We restored the principle that a nation exists to serve its citizens. Our agenda was not about right or left, it wasn’t about Republican or Democrat, but about the good of a nation, and that means the whole nation.

    With the support and prayers of the American people, we achieved more than anyone thought possible. Nobody thought we could even come close.

    Our economy has tanked, we are losing 3000 citizens daily to a virus which I initially denied existed, and then downplayed at every opportunity.

    We passed the largest package of tax cuts and reforms in American history. We slashed more job-killing regulations than any administration had ever done before. We fixed our broken trade deals, withdrew from the horrible Trans-Pacific Partnership and the impossible Paris Climate Accord, renegotiated the one-sided South Korea deal, and we replaced NAFTA with the groundbreaking USMCA — that’s Mexico and Canada — a deal that’s worked out very, very well.

    Our trade deficit has grown since I came into office. Ignore that.
    Our national debt has soared to record levels since I came into office.Ignore that.

    Also, and very importantly, we imposed historic and monumental tariffs on China; made a great new deal with China. But before the ink was even dry, we and the whole world got hit with the China virus. Our trade relationship was rapidly changing, billions and billions of dollars were pouring into the U.S., but the virus forced us to go in a different direction.

    That direction was South.

    The whole world suffered, but America outperformed other countries economically because of our incredible economy and the economy that we built. Without the foundations and footings, it wouldn’t have worked out this way. We wouldn’t have some of the best numbers we’ve ever had.

    Yesterday’s numbers don’t count for anything when today’s numbers are so bad. Just remember the good times and you’ll feel better.

    We also unlocked our energy resources and became the world’s number-one producer of oil and natural gas by far. Powered by these policies, we built the greatest economy in the history of the world. We reignited America’s job creation and achieved record-low unemployment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, women — almost everyone.

    Not true any more. Ah – the good old days…

    Incomes soared, wages boomed, the American Dream was restored, and millions were lifted from poverty in just a few short years. It was a miracle. The stock market set one record after another, with 148 stock market highs during this short period of time, and boosted the retirements and pensions of hardworking citizens all across our nation. 401(k)s are at a level they’ve never been at before. We’ve never seen numbers like we’ve seen, and that’s before the pandemic and after the pandemic.

    After the pandemic? Not so much…

    We rebuilt the American manufacturing base, opened up thousands of new factories, and brought back the beautiful phrase: “Made in the USA.”

    To make life better for working families, we doubled the child tax credit and signed the largest-ever expansion of funding for childcare and development. We joined with the private sector to secure commitments to train more than 16 million American workers for the jobs of tomorrow.

    Unfortunately, most of those jobs have disappeared, and we now have record unemployment levels.

    When our nation was hit with the terrible pandemic, we produced not one, but two vaccines with record-breaking speed, and more will quickly follow. They said it couldn’t be done but we did it. They call it a “medical miracle,” and that’s what they’re calling it right now: a “medical miracle.”

    Another administration would have taken 3, 4, 5, maybe even up to 10 years to develop a vaccine. We did in nine months.

    The vaccine was developed in Germany. All you did was to throw money at it, which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of doses locked up in refrigerators because you forgot the important detail of arranging for administration of the rollout..

    We grieve for every life lost, and we pledge in their memory to wipe out this horrible pandemic once and for all.

    When the virus took its brutal toll on the world’s economy, we launched the fastest economic recovery our country has ever seen. We passed nearly $4 trillion in economic relief, saved or supported over 50 million jobs, and slashed the unemployment rate in half. These are numbers that our country has never seen before.

    That’s a lot of grieving. 3000 are dying daily.

    We created choice and transparency in healthcare, stood up to big pharma in so many ways, but especially in our effort to get favored-nations clauses added, which will give us the lowest prescription drug prices anywhere in the world.

    Nobody, especially the chronically ill, has noticed.

    We passed VA Choice, VA Accountability, Right to Try, and landmark criminal justice reform.

    The Veterans still aren’t happy.

    We confirmed three new justices of the United States Supreme Court. We appointed nearly 300 federal judges to interpret our Constitution as written.

    And they voted your appeals against the election results down. They are obviously lawyers first, politicians second.

    For years, the American people pleaded with Washington to finally secure the nation’s borders. I am pleased to say we answered that plea and achieved the most secure border in U.S. history. We have given our brave border agents and heroic ICE officers the tools they need to do their jobs better than they have ever done before, and to enforce our laws and keep America safe.

    We proudly leave the next administration with the strongest and most robust border security measures ever put into place. This includes historic agreements with Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador, along with more than 450 miles of powerful new wall.

    The largest section of which is replacement of dilapidated infrastructure paid for by the US taxpayer, rather than Mexico, as promised.

    We restored American strength at home and American leadership abroad. The world respects us again. Please don’t lose that respect.

    Your diplomacy (or lack of) has resulted in American prestige hitting its lowest level since the war in Vietnam. Foreign leaders (except for Putin) were quick to congratulate your successor.

    We reclaimed our sovereignty by standing up for America at the United Nations and withdrawing from the one-sided global deals that never served our interests. And NATO countries are now paying hundreds of billions of dollars more than when I arrived just a few years ago. It was very unfair. We were paying the cost for the world. Now the world is helping us.

    The USA has always done well out of the UN. Perhaps it’s time UN headquarters was moved to somewhere in the EU.

    And perhaps most importantly of all, with nearly $3 trillion, we fully rebuilt the American military — all made in the USA. We launched the first new branch of the United States Armed Forces in 75 years: the Space Force. And last spring, I stood at Kennedy Space Center in Florida and watched as American astronauts returned to space on American rockets for the first time in many, many years.

    We revitalized our alliances and rallied the nations of the world to stand up to China like never before.

    Geographically Asian countries (like Australia and Japan) are glad to see the back of you. Feral foreign policy never engenders support.

    We obliterated the ISIS caliphate and ended the wretched life of its founder and leader, al Baghdadi. We stood up to the oppressive Iranian regime and killed the world’s top terrorist, Iranian butcher Qasem Soleimani.

    The ISIS caliphate was well on the way out when you came into office. Against the advice of your military, you cynically abandoned the Kurds, who had been vital allies in its downfall.

    We recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights.

    As a result of our bold diplomacy and principled realism, we achieved a series of historic peace deals in the Middle East. Nobody believed it could happen. The Abraham Accords opened the doors to a future of peace and harmony, not violence and bloodshed. It is the dawn of a new Middle East, and we are bringing our soldiers home.

    Buying the Sunnis off has not created peace in the Middle East. Ask the Palestinians if they believe you have created peace.

    I am especially proud to be the first President in decades who has started no new wars.

    You are the first president since Abraham Lincoln to create a war on home soil. The difference is, Lincoln did so to save the nation. Your actions have almost destroyed it.

    Above all, we have reasserted the sacred idea that, in America, the government answers to the people. Our guiding light, our North Star, our unwavering conviction has been that we are here to serve the noble everyday citizens of America. Our allegiance is not to the special interests, corporations, or global entities; it’s to our children, our citizens, and to our nation itself.

    Yet you attempted to overturn the will of the people by encouraging Congress to object to certification.

    As President, my top priority, my constant concern, has always been the best interests of American workers and American families. I did not seek the easiest course; by far, it was actually the most difficult. I did not seek the path that would get the least criticism. I took on the tough battles, the hardest fights, the most difficult choices because that’s what you elected me to do. Your needs were my first and last unyielding focus.

    Your administration has failed to improve the quality of life of your people, and has put their security in jeopardy by encouraging sedition.

    This, I hope, will be our greatest legacy: Together, we put the American people back in charge of our country. We restored self-government. We restored the idea that in America no one is forgotten, because everyone matters and everyone has a voice. We fought for the principle that every citizen is entitled to equal dignity, equal treatment, and equal rights because we are all made equal by God. Everyone is entitled to be treated with respect, to have their voice heard, and to have their government listen. You are loyal to your country, and my administration was always loyal to you.

    You attempted to remove the capacity of the American people to be in charge, by asking Congress to remove their franchise.

    We worked to build a country in which every citizen could find a great job and support their wonderful families. We fought for the communities where every American could be safe and schools where every child could learn. We promoted a culture where our laws would be upheld, our heroes honored, our history preserved, and law-abiding citizens are never taken for granted. Americans should take tremendous satisfaction in all that we have achieved together. It’s incredible.

    What is incredible is the number of people dying daily from the pandemic.

    Now, as I leave the White House, I have been reflecting on the dangers that threaten the priceless inheritance we all share. As the world’s most powerful nation, America faces constant threats and challenges from abroad. But the greatest danger we face is a loss of confidence in ourselves, a loss of confidence in our national greatness. A nation is only as strong as its spirit. We are only as dynamic as our pride. We are only as vibrant as the faith that beats in the hearts of our people.

    No nation can long thrive that loses faith in its own values, history, and heroes, for these are the very sources of our unity and our vitality.

    Your presidency has contributed to a loss of faith in your country’s institutions, principaly its trust in the democratic process. Without this trust, processes of government will fail, as illustrated so clearly by events on January 6th, for which you were largely responsible.

    What has always allowed America to prevail and triumph over the great challenges of the past has been an unyielding and unashamed conviction in the nobility of our country and its unique purpose in history. We must never lose this conviction. We must never forsake our belief in America.

    The key to national greatness lies in sustaining and instilling our shared national identity. That means focusing on what we have in common: the heritage that we all share.

    At the center of this heritage is also a robust belief in free expression, free speech, and open debate. Only if we forget who we are, and how we got here, could we ever allow political censorship and blacklisting to take place in America. It’s not even thinkable. Shutting down free and open debate violates our core values and most enduring traditions.

    In America, we don’t insist on absolute conformity or enforce rigid orthodoxies and punitive speech codes. We just don’t do that. America is not a timid nation of tame souls who need to be sheltered and protected from those with whom we disagree. That’s not who we are. It will never be who we are.

    You don’t violently assault those with whom you disagree. Nor do you abuse them, lie about them, and specify particular ethnic minorities (Mexicans and Muslims) as evil if you support American values.

    For nearly 250 years, in the face of every challenge, Americans have always summoned our unmatched courage, confidence, and fierce independence. These are the miraculous traits that once led millions of everyday citizens to set out across a wild continent and carve out a new life in the great West. It was the same profound love of our God-given freedom that willed our soldiers into battle and our astronauts into space.

    As I think back on the past four years, one image rises in my mind above all others. Whenever I traveled all along the motorcade route, there were thousands and thousands of people. They came out with their families so that they could stand as we passed, and proudly wave our great American flag. It never failed to deeply move me. I knew that they did not just come out to show their support of me; they came out to show me their support and love for our country.

    Some of the people who assaulted the Capitol were waving a different flag. Did that move you?

    This is a republic of proud citizens who are united by our common conviction that America is the greatest nation in all of history. We are, and must always be, a land of hope, of light, and of glory to all the world. This is the precious inheritance that we must safeguard at every single turn.

    For the past four years, I have worked to do just that. From a great hall of Muslim leaders in Riyadh to a great square of Polish people in Warsaw; from the floor of the Korean Assembly to the podium at the United Nations General Assembly; and from the Forbidden City in Beijing to the shadow of Mount Rushmore, I fought for you, I fought for your family, I fought for our country. Above all, I fought for America and all it stands for — and that is safe, strong, proud, and free.

    Now, as I prepare to hand power over to a new administration at noon on Wednesday, I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning. There’s never been anything like it. The belief that a nation must serve its citizens will not dwindle but instead only grow stronger by the day.

    As long as the American people hold in their hearts deep and devoted love of country, then there is nothing that this nation cannot achieve. Our communities will flourish. Our people will be prosperous. Our traditions will be cherished. Our faith will be strong. And our future will be brighter than ever before.

    I go from this majestic place with a loyal and joyful heart, an optimistic spirit, and a supreme confidence that for our country and for our children, the best is yet to come.

    Thank you, and farewell. God bless you. God bless the United States of America.

    END

    The “best” is bound to be an improvement on the last four years. Two impeachments, one of the lowest approval ratings of any president at term’s end, and a country in turmoil, economically and socially, is your legacy.

  95. 1735099 says:

    Dettol Donny’s FIGJAM farewell –

    THE PRESIDENT: My fellow Americans: Four years ago, we launched a great national effort to rebuild our country, to renew its spirit, and to restore the allegiance of this government to its citizens. In short, we embarked on a mission to make America great again — for all Americans.

    As I conclude my term as the 45th President of the United States, I stand before you truly proud of what we have achieved together. We did what we came here to do — and so much more.

    This week, we inaugurate a new administration and pray for its success in keeping America safe and prosperous. We extend our best wishes, and we also want them to have luck — a very important word.

    I’d like to begin by thanking just a few of the amazing people who made our remarkable journey possible.

    First, let me express my overwhelming gratitude for the love and support of our spectacular First Lady, Melania. Let me also share my deepest appreciation to my daughter Ivanka, my son-in-law Jared, and to Barron, Don, Eric, Tiffany, and Lara. You fill my world with light and with joy.

    The family Dynasty gets its kudos. Nepotism rules.

    I also want to thank Vice President Mike Pence, his wonderful wife Karen, and the entire Pence family.

    Just forget, what I said about him on 6th January.

    Thank you as well to my Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows; the dedicated members of the White House Staff and the Cabinet; and all the incredible people across our administration who poured out their heart and soul to fight for America.

    Forget that a very large number of them have jumped ship.

    I also want to take a moment to thank a truly exceptional group of people: the United States Secret Service. My family and I will forever be in your debt. My profound gratitude as well to everyone in the White House Military Office, the teams of Marine One and Air Force One, every member of the Armed Forces, and state and local law enforcement all across our country.

    Most of all, I want to thank the American people. To serve as your President has been an honor beyond description. Thank you for this extraordinary privilege. And that’s what it is — a great privilege and a great honor.

    We must never forget that while Americans will always have our disagreements, we are a nation of incredible, decent, faithful, and peace-loving citizens who all want our country to thrive and flourish and be very, very successful and good. We are a truly magnificent nation.

    All Americans were horrified by the assault on our Capitol. Political violence is an attack on everything we cherish as Americans. It can never be tolerated.

    Forget that I claimed that the election was rigged, and that I provoked that insurrection.

    Now more than ever, we must unify around our shared values and rise above the partisan rancor, and forge our common destiny.

    The partisan rancour that I contributed to by claiming that the election was rigged, and that my opponents were criminals.

    Four years ago, I came to Washington as the only true outsider ever to win the presidency. I had not spent my career as a politician, but as a builder looking at open skylines and imagining infinite possibilities. I ran for President because I knew there were towering new summits for America just waiting to be scaled. I knew the potential for our nation was boundless as long as we put America first.

    So I left behind my former life and stepped into a very difficult arena, but an arena nevertheless, with all sorts of potential if properly done. America had given me so much, and I wanted to give something back.

    Together with millions of hardworking patriots across this land, we built the greatest political movement in the history of our country. We also built the greatest economy in the history of the world. It was about “America First” because we all wanted to make America great again. We restored the principle that a nation exists to serve its citizens. Our agenda was not about right or left, it wasn’t about Republican or Democrat, but about the good of a nation, and that means the whole nation.

    With the support and prayers of the American people, we achieved more than anyone thought possible. Nobody thought we could even come close.

    Our economy has tanked, we are losing 3000 citizens daily to a virus which I initially denied existed, and then downplayed at every opportunity.

    We passed the largest package of tax cuts and reforms in American history. We slashed more job-killing regulations than any administration had ever done before. We fixed our broken trade deals, withdrew from the horrible Trans-Pacific Partnership and the impossible Paris Climate Accord, renegotiated the one-sided South Korea deal, and we replaced NAFTA with the groundbreaking USMCA — that’s Mexico and Canada — a deal that’s worked out very, very well.

    Our trade deficit has grown since I came into office. Ignore that.
    Our national debt has soared to record levels since I came into office. Ignore that.

    Also, and very importantly, we imposed historic and monumental tariffs on China; made a great new deal with China. But before the ink was even dry, we and the whole world got hit with the China virus. Our trade relationship was rapidly changing, billions and billions of dollars were pouring into the U.S., but the virus forced us to go in a different direction.

    That direction was South. The trade deficit with China has increased.

    The whole world suffered, but America outperformed other countries economically because of our incredible economy and the economy that we built. Without the foundations and footings, it wouldn’t have worked out this way. We wouldn’t have some of the best numbers we’ve ever had.

    Yesterday’s numbers don’t count for anything when today’s numbers are so bad. Just remember the good times and you’ll feel better.

    We also unlocked our energy resources and became the world’s number-one producer of oil and natural gas by far. Powered by these policies, we built the greatest economy in the history of the world. We reignited America’s job creation and achieved record-low unemployment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, women — almost everyone.

    Not true any more. Ah – the good old days…

    Incomes soared, wages boomed, the American Dream was restored, and millions were lifted from poverty in just a few short years. It was a miracle. The stock market set one record after another, with 148 stock market highs during this short period of time, and boosted the retirements and pensions of hardworking citizens all across our nation. 401(k)s are at a level they’ve never been at before. We’ve never seen numbers like we’ve seen, and that’s before the pandemic and after the pandemic.

    After the pandemic? Not so much…

    We rebuilt the American manufacturing base, opened up thousands of new factories, and brought back the beautiful phrase: “Made in the USA.”

    To make life better for working families, we doubled the child tax credit and signed the largest-ever expansion of funding for childcare and development. We joined with the private sector to secure commitments to train more than 16 million American workers for the jobs of tomorrow.

    Unfortunately, most of those jobs have disappeared, and we now have record unemployment levels.

    When our nation was hit with the terrible pandemic, we produced not one, but two vaccines with record-breaking speed, and more will quickly follow. They said it couldn’t be done but we did it. They call it a “medical miracle,” and that’s what they’re calling it right now: a “medical miracle.”

    Another administration would have taken 3, 4, 5, maybe even up to 10 years to develop a vaccine. We did in nine months.

    The vaccine was developed in Germany. All your administration did was to throw money at it, which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of doses locked up in refrigerators because you forgot the important detail of organising administration of the rollout..

    We grieve for every life lost, and we pledge in their memory to wipe out this horrible pandemic once and for all.

    When the virus took its brutal toll on the world’s economy, we launched the fastest economic recovery our country has ever seen. We passed nearly $4 trillion in economic relief, saved or supported over 50 million jobs, and slashed the unemployment rate in half. These are numbers that our country has never seen before.

    That’s a lot of grieving. 3000 are dying daily.

    We created choice and transparency in healthcare, stood up to big pharma in so many ways, but especially in our effort to get favored-nations clauses added, which will give us the lowest prescription drug prices anywhere in the world.

    Nobody, especially the chronically ill, has noticed.

    We passed VA Choice, VA Accountability, Right to Try, and landmark criminal justice reform.

    The Veterans still aren’t happy.

    We confirmed three new justices of the United States Supreme Court. We appointed nearly 300 federal judges to interpret our Constitution as written.

    And they voted your appeals against the election results down. They are obviously lawyers first, politicians second.

    For years, the American people pleaded with Washington to finally secure the nation’s borders. I am pleased to say we answered that plea and achieved the most secure border in U.S. history. We have given our brave border agents and heroic ICE officers the tools they need to do their jobs better than they have ever done before, and to enforce our laws and keep America safe.

    We proudly leave the next administration with the strongest and most robust border security measures ever put into place. This includes historic agreements with Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador, along with more than 450 miles of powerful new wall.

    The largest section of which is replacement of dilapidated infrastructure paid for by the US taxpayer, rather than Mexico, as promised.

    We restored American strength at home and American leadership abroad. The world respects us again. Please don’t lose that respect.

    Your diplomacy (or lack of) has resulted in American prestige hitting its lowest level since the war in Vietnam. Foreign leaders (except for Putin) were quick to congratulate your successor.

    We reclaimed our sovereignty by standing up for America at the United Nations and withdrawing from the one-sided global deals that never served our interests. And NATO countries are now paying hundreds of billions of dollars more than when I arrived just a few years ago. It was very unfair. We were paying the cost for the world. Now the world is helping us.

    The USA has always done well out of the UN. Perhaps it’s time UN headquarters was moved to somewhere in the EU.

    And perhaps most importantly of all, with nearly $3 trillion, we fully rebuilt the American military — all made in the USA. We launched the first new branch of the United States Armed Forces in 75 years: the Space Force. And last spring, I stood at Kennedy Space Center in Florida and watched as American astronauts returned to space on American rockets for the first time in many, many years.

    We revitalized our alliances and rallied the nations of the world to stand up to China like never before.

    Geographically Asian countries (like Australia and Japan) are glad to see the back of you. Feral foreign policy never engenders support.

    We obliterated the ISIS caliphate and ended the wretched life of its founder and leader, al Baghdadi. We stood up to the oppressive Iranian regime and killed the world’s top terrorist, Iranian butcher Qasem Soleimani.

    The ISIS caliphate was well on the way out when you came into office. Against the advice of your military, you cynically abandoned the Kurds, who had been vital allies in its downfall.

    We recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights.

    As a result of our bold diplomacy and principled realism, we achieved a series of historic peace deals in the Middle East. Nobody believed it could happen. The Abraham Accords opened the doors to a future of peace and harmony, not violence and bloodshed. It is the dawn of a new Middle East, and we are bringing our soldiers home.

    Buying the Sunnis off has not created peace in the Middle East. Ask the Palestinians if they believe you have created peace.

    I am especially proud to be the first President in decades who has started no new wars.

    You are the first president since Abraham Lincoln to start a war on home soil. The difference is, Lincoln did so to save the nation. Your actions have almost destroyed it.

    Above all, we have reasserted the sacred idea that, in America, the government answers to the people. Our guiding light, our North Star, our unwavering conviction has been that we are here to serve the noble everyday citizens of America. Our allegiance is not to the special interests, corporations, or global entities; it’s to our children, our citizens, and to our nation itself.

    Yet you attempted to overturn the will of the people by encouraging Congress to object to certification.

    As President, my top priority, my constant concern, has always been the best interests of American workers and American families. I did not seek the easiest course; by far, it was actually the most difficult. I did not seek the path that would get the least criticism. I took on the tough battles, the hardest fights, the most difficult choices because that’s what you elected me to do. Your needs were my first and last unyielding focus.

    Your administration has failed to improve the quality of life of your people, and has put their security in jeopardy by encouraging sedition.

    This, I hope, will be our greatest legacy: Together, we put the American people back in charge of our country. We restored self-government. We restored the idea that in America no one is forgotten, because everyone matters and everyone has a voice. We fought for the principle that every citizen is entitled to equal dignity, equal treatment, and equal rights because we are all made equal by God. Everyone is entitled to be treated with respect, to have their voice heard, and to have their government listen. You are loyal to your country, and my administration was always loyal to you.

    You attempted to remove the capacity of the American people to be in charge, by asking Congress to remove their franchise.

    We worked to build a country in which every citizen could find a great job and support their wonderful families. We fought for the communities where every American could be safe and schools where every child could learn. We promoted a culture where our laws would be upheld, our heroes honored, our history preserved, and law-abiding citizens are never taken for granted. Americans should take tremendous satisfaction in all that we have achieved together. It’s incredible.

    What is incredible is the number of people dying daily from the pandemic.

    Now, as I leave the White House, I have been reflecting on the dangers that threaten the priceless inheritance we all share. As the world’s most powerful nation, America faces constant threats and challenges from abroad. But the greatest danger we face is a loss of confidence in ourselves, a loss of confidence in our national greatness. A nation is only as strong as its spirit. We are only as dynamic as our pride. We are only as vibrant as the faith that beats in the hearts of our people.

    No nation can long thrive that loses faith in its own values, history, and heroes, for these are the very sources of our unity and our vitality.

    Your presidency has contributed to a loss of faith in your country’s institutions, principaly its trust in the democratic process. Without this trust, processes of government will fail, as illustrated so clearly by events on January 6th, for which you were largely responsible.

    What has always allowed America to prevail and triumph over the great challenges of the past has been an unyielding and unashamed conviction in the nobility of our country and its unique purpose in history. We must never lose this conviction. We must never forsake our belief in America.

    The key to national greatness lies in sustaining and instilling our shared national identity. That means focusing on what we have in common: the heritage that we all share.

    At the center of this heritage is also a robust belief in free expression, free speech, and open debate. Only if we forget who we are, and how we got here, could we ever allow political censorship and blacklisting to take place in America. It’s not even thinkable. Shutting down free and open debate violates our core values and most enduring traditions.

    In America, we don’t insist on absolute conformity or enforce rigid orthodoxies and punitive speech codes. We just don’t do that. America is not a timid nation of tame souls who need to be sheltered and protected from those with whom we disagree. That’s not who we are. It will never be who we are.

    You don’t violently assault those with whom you disagree. Nor do you abuse them, lie about them, and specify particular ethnic minorities (Mexicans and Mvslims) as evil if you truly support American values.

    For nearly 250 years, in the face of every challenge, Americans have always summoned our unmatched courage, confidence, and fierce independence. These are the miraculous traits that once led millions of everyday citizens to set out across a wild continent and carve out a new life in the great West. It was the same profound love of our God-given freedom that willed our soldiers into battle and our astronauts into space.

    As I think back on the past four years, one image rises in my mind above all others. Whenever I traveled all along the motorcade route, there were thousands and thousands of people. They came out with their families so that they could stand as we passed, and proudly wave our great American flag. It never failed to deeply move me. I knew that they did not just come out to show their support of me; they came out to show me their support and love for our country.

    Some of the people who assaulted the Capitol were waving a different flag. Did that move you?

    This is a republic of proud citizens who are united by our common conviction that America is the greatest nation in all of history. We are, and must always be, a land of hope, of light, and of glory to all the world. This is the precious inheritance that we must safeguard at every single turn.

    For the past four years, I have worked to do just that. From a great hall of Mvslim leaders in Riyadh to a great square of Polish people in Warsaw; from the floor of the Korean Assembly to the podium at the United Nations General Assembly; and from the Forbidden City in Beijing to the shadow of Mount Rushmore, I fought for you, I fought for your family, I fought for our country. Above all, I fought for America and all it stands for — and that is safe, strong, proud, and free.

    Now, as I prepare to hand power over to a new administration at noon on Wednesday, I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning. There’s never been anything like it. The belief that a nation must serve its citizens will not dwindle but instead only grow stronger by the day.

    As long as the American people hold in their hearts deep and devoted love of country, then there is nothing that this nation cannot achieve. Our communities will flourish. Our people will be prosperous. Our traditions will be cherished. Our faith will be strong. And our future will be brighter than ever before.

    I go from this majestic place with a loyal and joyful heart, an optimistic spirit, and a supreme confidence that for our country and for our children, the best is yet to come.

    Thank you, and farewell. God bless you. God bless the United States of America.

    END

    The “best” is bound to be an improvement on the last four years. Two impeachments, one of the lowest approval ratings of any president at term’s end, and a country in turmoil, economically and socially, is your real legacy.

    God help the United States of America.

  96. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “1735099
    #3730989, posted on January 20, 2021 at 4:25 pm”

    The racist needs a life.

  97. Cardimona says:

    Numbers at 1625.

    Congratulations.
    That’s the longest scroll-by I’ve had to do reading the Cat.

  98. Snoopy says:

    1735099
    #3730989, posted on January 20, 2021 at 4:25 pm

    Post this on your own blog, Bob. It’ll get more readers there.

  99. Rex Anger says:

    It must be said, Bobby boy, that I much prefer Orange Ming’s FIGJAM to yours.

    It’s not slimy, nor Red, nor with overtones of cordite, murdered tent stink, false sanctimony, nor a sickening aftertaste of unjustified self-pity…

  100. Boambee John says:

    Forget that I claimed that the election was rigged, and that I provoked that insurrection.

    The ostrich stays with Tripe and munty on the first unarmed insurrection in history.

    Sad, low energy.

  101. Boambee John says:

    one of the lowest approval ratings of any president at term’s end,

    ostrich needs to coordinate with Tripe, who claims it was the absolute lowest. Fact Check:Incorrect.

  102. gavalanche says:

    1735099,
    thats quite a moniker you have there
    and quite an effort
    phew!
    methinks thou doth protest too much

  103. Tel says:

    Leftards aren’t very bright. The only thing they’re good at is street violence. But their guiding principle is the same one that drives the ALP: whatever it takes.

    They are good at forming mobs, brutal repetition of dopey talking points, obedience to the cause no matter what. Being not very bright actually makes them better at this.

    However we have some visibility to the process … check out John Sullivan, he is obviously a bit brighter than average and at one stage he had a promising sporting career. Someone led him and in turn they trained him to lead others … the connection to Jade Sacker cannot possibly be random chance. There is clearly some kind of top down hierarchical network, possibly a bit loose in places but poking around with the street violence side of things won’t get you any closer to the heart of the beast. They can find an unlimited supply of useful idiots to keep throwing out there … that’s a big advantage.

  104. Tel says:

    By the way…can anyone remember when an adherent of Falun Gong decapitated anyone?

    They hang around the local park and chase you waving clip boards.

    It can be … concerning. >:|

  105. Lee says:

    1735099
    #3730989, posted on January 20, 2021 at 4:25 pm

    Your mates in the CCP just gave your comments the rubber stamp of approval.

  106. Rex Anger says:

    @ Tel-

    Ironic, given that Antifa and BLM and so forth make a great deal about their apparent ‘lack’ of hoerarchical leadership. That allegedly they all just ‘agree’ to organise and do things.

    The Soviets’ sleeper agencies allegedly said the same things about themselves, and Communist doctrine was all about cells. But this was really just a means of keeping each other in check through mutual suspicion and surveillance.

    Even the most distributed and parallel-organised groups (if such actuslly do exist) require at least one level above them to organise their logistics and help to coordinate strategy. Otherwise you just end up with a hodgepodge of squabbling groups duicating efforts and getting in each others’ way. Leftists love control, so they would never suffer any loose authority.

    Furthermore, given Leftists’ penchant and desire for labels and status, it is impossible for the street thugs to be as distributed as they proclaim. Likely, the links are very clear and strongly hierarchical up into Dem-aligned NGOs and the DNC itself. Nobody wants to look at present, so they don’t. Watch for the arrests and resignations (or at minimum, disappearances from the public eye) when the first purges come through…

  107. vlad says:

    Seriously, Sinc, anyone who posts 3439 words here in one go deserves at least a spell in the sin-bin.

  108. Rex Anger says:

    @ Vlad-

    Or posting status 😉

    Think about it- If Bobby boy had the freedom to post here, he’d be the bestest, funnest, candy-est piñata at the Party!

  109. vlad says:

    It doesn’t bear thinking about.

  110. 1735099 says:

    Seriously, Sinc, anyone who posts 3439 words here in one go deserves at least a spell in the sin-bin.

    What’s your problem?
    2776 of them are Trump’s.

  111. Rex Anger says:

    But how good would it be?

    Bobby boy is tethered, in one location where he can be smote at will!

    His obfuscations, his propaganda, his misrepresentations and outright lies, all in one obvious and easily visible place.

    Like Lucy…

    After the first few posts (which would take up all his spare blogging time anyway), Bobby boy would be most happy to leave. Particularly if ‘encouraged’ because his behaviour was about to get the site taken down…

  112. Rex Anger says:

    Seriously, Sinc, anyone who posts 3439 words here in one go deserves at least a spell in the sin-bin.

    What’s your problem?

    Vlad’s calling you out for Incitement.

    I agree with him.

  113. WX says:

    Rex Anger
    #3730805, posted on January 20, 2021 at 1:41 pm

    Shaping operations sort of rely on the other side letting you do what you want in the area unmolested…

    Yup. Our political/socio-cultural opponents do this by using language more assertively than we do. We don’t challenge those small-scale-community-interaction (humint) foot patrols. Is that because they seem non-threatening?
    *Sigh*

    Weez doomed I tells ya. Feckin doomed.

  114. Rex Anger says:

    Yup. Our political/socio-cultural opponents do this by using language more assertively than we do. We don’t challenge those small-scale-community-interaction (humint) foot patrols. Is that because they seem non-threatening?
    *Sigh*

    Coup de mains never come from the direction from which they are ‘expected,’ and always with far greater intensity.

    And because said patrols were ignored, all defences were compromised and the guns were facing the wrong way.

    The enemy is now inside the wire.

    Fix bayonets and I’ll see you at sunrise. If we get that far…

  115. Rex Anger says:

    @ WX-

    Or we get said cultural and political guns turned round in time and Beehive the bastards until they flee. Like the opening night at FSB Coral…

  116. WX says:

    Rex.

    I was thinking more of a Phung Hoang approach. (With less structural complexity than the original attempt).

  117. Albatross says:

    Pyrmonter
    #3730627, posted on January 20, 2021 at 11:11 am
    @ Doomlord.

    Compared to 1945

    Cope.

  118. Albatross says:

    1735099
    #3730989, posted on January 20, 2021 at 4:25 pm
    Dettol Donny’s FIGJAM farewell

    Speaking of people who have out-stayed their welcome…

  119. Rex Anger says:

    Rex.

    I was thinking more of a Phung Hoang approach. (With less structural complexity than the original attempt).

    I’d say variations are already in play across the Anglophone world. Examples like Cardimona, Custard and Struth spring to mind.

    It certainly started in the USA under Barry O’s Presidency, with added impetus once he started wielding the IRS etc. as instruments of persecution against the Tea Party.

    We should treat Donald Trump as a first and very public success for that kind of grassroots movement. Brexit is a very clear second.

    The Leftwits have been clearly shown that they do not, and never will, have a monopoly on such organisation. With this in mind, it is easy to understand just why the pushback has been so vindictive and sustained- How dare we?!

    But, while the grassroots conservatives were coalescing, the Leftwits were setting up for a final coup de main to forever entrench themselves as the unchallenged rulers of the USA. DJT short-circuited this and delayed it. Now it sees its fruition under Joe.Bidem and Kamala Harris rather than Hillary Clinton.

    We now all face a serious uphill slog to see conservative and liberal values restored in the West. The Left thinks it has the critical mass to throw its full, tyrannical weight round unchallenged.

    The conservative spectrum now needs to do what the Left did- Targeted elections at the lowest levels, then entryism into the institutions again. Then up. A Donald Trump will never be allowed to rise again anywhere in the West, in any party system in this generation. So the system either needs total disruption, or to be cleverly circumvented in the waynthe Long March worked (a la Gramsci). Both can occur simultaneously or concurrently, and should be welcomed- The Swamp cannot buy out or run off everyone, thebLeft fears any ideologue it cannot control.

    All is not yet lost. But the fight will be long, hard and grievously bloody. We must also expect.to inherit only blasted ruins- The Left never surrenders its spoils lightly.

    Mijd you, you can do a lot of useful and productive things with ruins. Building an even better structure over the foundations of the first is but one example…

  120. Lee says:

    What’s your problem?
    2776 of them are Trump’s.

    Oh, so now you’re blaming Trump for your quoting him, Numbers!
    Trump has obviously got tremendous mental powers if he can get you to quote him.
    Next you’ll be querying where Donald Trump was when JFK was assassinated.

  121. vlad says:

    Oh, so now you’re blaming Trump for your quoting him, Numbers!

    Yep. Some people just don’t get it.

  122. vlad says:

    2776 of them are Trump’s.

    That’s the funniest thing I’ve read here today.

  123. Albatross says:

    Bob’s TDS has become full-blown TRS. I’m afraid it’s terminal.

  124. WX says:

    Rex Anger
    #3731202, posted on January 20, 2021 at 7:30 pm

    Thanks for your considered thoughts, Rex. As I’ve commented recently, I consider that President Trump was a berserker (of Nordic myth), rather than a saviour. Several years ago, in my first post here, I put forward the concept of a ‘grassroots’ (non-Government controlled) civilian political/socio-cultural intelligence entity, and I continue to believe that in some form, such is a pre-requisite for a successful fightback. Ideally, they would be practically invisible.

  125. Rex Anger says:

    Ideally, they would be practically invisible.

    They need to be- Our Fascist friends in the positions of power (and their trollherd mouthpieces) are demonstrating at present, they have the bit between their teeth, and consider themselves untouchable by anyone or anything.

    At street level, there is (anecdotally at least) quiet but growing contempt for their arrogance and overreach, but the priority of most people (including us) is to live first. This is the time for people to join organisations and parties as they desire, stand for election and learn to govern and navigate their party and system machines.

    The only thing that might force change faster, is if (when) the Left overreaches too far, and cracks down harshly in response to the backlash. I suspect that this cultural breaking point may be far closer than it appears- Cancel culture and the more violent insanities of creeping cultural, environmental, sexual, racial and traditional economic Marxism have been active in general society for 30 or so years. It is only so brazen now because the Left’s thought leaders finally see themselves as being safe and unaccountable enough to fully unleash their neuroses and psychoses on humanity. People hated it strongly when it was only an academic oddity or a mere cramp on their lifestyles. Now, it is an existential threat for some loudmouth to take offence at you.

    No people will tolerate that sort of mistreatment for long, no matter how harshly they are punished for their vigilanteism…

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