Happy Australia Day

Liam Hemsworth and others are spruiking nonsense which is also being taught to school children as they protest against ‘invasion day’:

We are spiritually and culturally connected to this country.
This country was criss-crossed by generations of brilliant Nations.
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people were Australia’s first explorers, first navigators, first engineers, first farmers, first botanists, first scientists, first diplomats, first astronomers and first artists.
Australia has the world’s oldest oral stories. The First Peoples engraved the world’s first maps, made the earliest paintings of ceremony and invented unique technologies. We built and engineered structures – structures on Earth – predating well-known sites such as the Egyptian Pyramids and Stonehenge.
Our adaptation and intimate knowledge of Country enabled us to endure climate change, catastrophic droughts and rising sea levels.
Always Was, Always Will Be. acknowledges that hundreds of Nations and our cultures covered this continent. All were managing the land – the biggest estate on earth – to sustainably provide for their future.

This statement is a work of poorly written fiction. All humans are descended from ancestors that roamed Africa. At some stage – perhaps 50,000 to 60,000 years ago according to archaeological records – some Homo Sapiens (so far as we know, Homo Erectus do not appear to have migrated to the land mass now know as Australia) moved to this continent during the Pleistocene (ice age) when sea levels were much lower allowing transit without seafaring. Later the ice age abated, ice melted and the Australian continent became separate and its inhabitants isolated.

In Jared Diamond’s book Guns, Germs and Steel – the Fates of Human Societies, he argues that circumstances (pressure on resources etc) lead to innovations and changes to society. On Australia he wrote

Australia is the sole continent where, in modern times, all native peoples still lived without any of the hallmarks of so-called civilization – without farming, herding, metal, bows and arrows, substantial buildings, settled villages, writing, chiefdoms or states. Instead Australian Aborigines were nomadic or semi-nomadic hunter-gatherers, organised into bands, living in temporary shelters or huts and still dependent on stone-tools.” – (p. 297).

“Compared with Native Australians, New Guineans rate as culturally “advanced”…most New Guineans …were farmers and swineherds. They lived in settled villages and were organised politically into tribes rather than as bands. All New Guineans had bows and arrows, and many used pottery.” – (p. 297-8).

“While New Guinea…developed both animal husbandry and agriculture,…Australia…developed neither.” – (p. 308).

Isolated from other populations, and lacking little in the way of resources, Australia’s first inhabitants were not pressured into changing their ways of life and remained essentially hunter gatherers and nomadic societies. I make no judgement on whether this is good or bad, merely that despite the lack of competition over resources, life wasn’t always rosy and violence and skirmishes, murder and rape occurred as much among those humans as it did elsewhere.

It was inevitable that this isolation would not persist – it is perhaps surprising that it persisted as long as it did. But contact with other humans was inevitable and the outcome of that contact would be widely varying depending on whether the contact was made by the Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, Chinese, British or others. The fact that Australia became a British colony is probably the best of the many alternatives that could have sprung from colonialisation. And we are all affected, mostly positively, by that contact – there would be few Aboriginal Australians (perhaps none) who today could say that they have no ancestry at all from settlers who arrived after 1787. We are all of mixed blood and we all descend from those original Homo Sapiens who evolved in Africa. It is time to talk about unity rather than division.

As for claims that pre 1788 Aboriginals were explorers, navigators, engineers, farmers, botanists, scientists, diplomats, astronomers and artists that’s just baloney. There are no engineering structures in the archaeological record, and they were no more navigators and explorers than the myriad of early Homo Sapiens that migrated out of Africa.

In truth their life was simple, with the daily struggle to maintain shelter, clothing, food and water. They were not a civilisation, let along multiple civilisations because they did not have advanced political and economic structures that comprise a civilisation. And the phrase ‘Always Was, Always Will Be’ is total bullshit. The earliest Homo Sapiens are around 200,000 years ago, and it is presumptive indeed to assert that any species will live forever. We already know that the Earth will not exist forever.

The indulgence of these ridiculous claims is putting a brake on the improvement of remote Aboriginal Australian settlements and condemning many to poor living standards and a short life expectancy. It is similar to the excellent piece by Paul Monk on Adi Schwartz and Einat Wilf’s book The War of Return: How Western Indulgence of the Palestinian Dream Has Obstructed the Path to Peace. This is similar – the indulgence of fantasy claims hinders reconciliation, peace and mutual prosperity. Instead people like Hemsworth want to bask in their moral superiority and dance on the future of poor Aboriginal Australians by seeing them as a form of living museum. It is an absolute disgrace.

Happy Australia Day

Global sea levels during the last Ice Age

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182 Responses to Happy Australia Day

  1. H B Bear says:

    Dark Emu droppings.

  2. Dot says:

    Happy Penal Colony Day.

  3. nb says:

    Might as well go the whole hog. Because Aboriginal societies were binary and because computers work on a binary number system, Aborigines invented computers. Nonsense? This proposition has seriously been put at a humanities conference.

  4. gavalanche says:

    hybrid vigour…
    anyone who harps on about the difference between white and black australia is reinforcing the notion of difference. ie that’s the unconscious root of racism and all other prejudice….stop identifying others by their ‘group’! we are all individuals
    (‘i’m not’: life of brian)

  5. mundi says:

    It is eye opening to read the actual diaries of the original settlers to almost any region in Australia.

    When the first fleet arrived in 1788 they found peoples still in the stone age (similar to western world circa 8,000 to 3,000 BC).

    The live expectancy was 19 to 21 (its now 70).

    Around sydney cove it was observed that one group had a religion where they refused to eat anything other than fish, including starving to death if necessary.

    Another religion was observed to abort babies by hand for reasons unknown.

    However there is a form of evidence of animal husbandry: women were observed to be branded by cutting and burning, and kept round up in herds, and beaten when they strayed etc.

    The fact that we have gone from that to where we are today in only about 200 years is amazing, and I don’t think a single people on earth has progressed faster. Aboriginals today owe everything to western colonization. If they were not colonized by the British so completely, that would be worse than even the poorest African nations.

  6. Dot says:

    Australia has the world’s oldest oral stories. The First Peoples engraved the world’s first maps, made the earliest paintings of ceremony and invented unique technologies. We built and engineered structures – structures on Earth – predating well-known sites such as the Egyptian Pyramids and Stonehenge.

    Gobekli Tepe? Older than 10,000 years ago IIRC.

    Also, did the current Aborigines displace others 10,000 years ago, who displaced an even earlier wave, IIRC, 40,000 years ago?*

    (Maybe it was 4,000 and 10,000 years ago).

    It is racist now to suggest this actually happened. Some have more right to terra nullius than others!

  7. Lee says:

    Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people were Australia’s first explorers, first navigators, first engineers, first farmers, first botanists, first scientists, first diplomats, first astronomers and first artists.

    That statement is manifestly the biggest load of fact-free bullshit I think have ever read.

  8. mundi says:

    I have also read the fairy tales.

    For example someone found somewhere by a river bed one where its suggested that aboriginals planted some plants so they could come back each season. So that is evidence of farming….

    Or how because the British saw them built some huts, they must be engineers obviously.

    Or how its famed out that one language has no term for left and right, as if its something amazing because it means they only used cardinal directions, when its actually because the language is so amazingly primitive it barely has any words at all apart from nouns for objects.

    All evidence suggests that Australia was the harshest place on earth to live and survive. Every peice of technology aboriginals had, including spears and sheilds, came down from PNG. You can even follow its trend down the coast, often never passing the bass straight. The aboriginals on tasmania are the most primitive people known on earth – as they were seperated from main land thousands of years ago, and so never saw any of the basic inventions of stone age technology reach them.

  9. Paul says:

    The only possible engineering feat by aboriginals may only be the boomerang, which hardly rates for so much else from other nations.

  10. Paul says:

    As someone has mentioned binary, the question must be why are their only 2 genders in Aboriginal life?

  11. Michel Lasouris says:

    All so very appropriate for this annual celebration. My own people were slaughtered mercilessly in 1600 Europe, but I bear the descendants of their persecutors no ill will; that was then… and this is now.
    By the standards of the time, the colonisation of Australia was predominantly peaceful.
    Invasion? Sure! We won, you lost, get over it.

  12. Paul says:

    Change the date. Because I’m not Aborigine, it will be meaningless to me.

  13. Dave in Marybrook says:

    It’s a fun exercise to go all-out on the First Nations Pidgin.
    “Three First Nations Australians lost their lives while performing Car Driving on Highway last night. Respected Elder, Senior Liaison Officer Uncle John Smith said that the peoples could not be named for Cultural Reason, but he hoped that Physics Awareness Workshop in local school would help bring a more sensitive understanding of Deadly issues to pre-teen drivers past, present and future.”

  14. Dot says:

    I would say that proto civilisation and proto engineering was emerging at Budjm Bim.

  15. 2dogs says:

    Is there evidence of Torres Strait Islander agriculture?

  16. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Paul
    #3737914, posted on January 26, 2021 at 6:00 pm
    The only possible engineering feat by aboriginals may only be the boomerang, which hardly rates for so much else from other nations.”

    The boomerang wasn’t unique to this continent and to the indigenous here. In fact, the oldest boomerang found was in what is now modern day Poland.

    And I’m pretty sure…happy to be corrected…that Tasmanian Aboriginals had no knowledge of boomerangs.

  17. shatterzzz says:

    Seems they left the Byron Bay cool-ade to long in the cask today .. must have been a hell of a drop to give an entertainer such deep insight(s) ……. LOL!

  18. Dot says:

    What is irksome is the presumption that “indigenous land management” was sustainable.

    Was it? Was it possibly biomass engendering or catastrophically unsustainable?

    I doubt that we will ever know definitively either way.

  19. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Great peace LQC.

  20. Cassie of Sydney says:

    piece!

    Apologies.

  21. Roger says:

    Isolated from other populations, and lacking little in the way of resources, Australia’s first inhabitants were not pressured into changing their ways of life and remained essentially hunter gatherers and nomadic societies. I make no judgement on whether this is good or bad

    Try it and get back to us, will you?

    😉

  22. Scott Osmond says:

    I’m happy for all the invasion day stuff. Invasion extinguishes sovereignty. Now, repeal all the land claims, repeal all the special legislation, disband all the commissions, remove all the aboriginal only hiring practices and handouts and we’ll call it good. Or, the aboriginal industry and it’s hangers on could just sit down, shut up and enjoy all the free shit whitey hands out.
    What kind of person attacks and undermines the very system that takes care of them from cradle to grave and constently gives you privilege’s withheld from other citizens?

  23. Cassie of Sydney says:

    And where does this nonsense end? The indigenous are descendants of people who arrived on this continent fifty to sixty thousands years ago…I don’t buy the notion they were here earlier. And as for the ludicrous nonsense propagated that “they’ve always bene here”…then that would mean that they aren’t “homo sapiens”…which would mean that they aren’t part of the human story. Is that what they’re claiming? The bottom line is that they are homo sapiens who arrived here, destroyed the mega fauna and then adapted to a very primitive life.

    Human history shows that isolated populations don’t progress as much as populations that interact with other groups of people.

  24. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “they’ve always been here”

  25. Dot says:

    I think that Australia may have been settled much earlier than 40,000 years ago; not by the current ethnic group of indigenous Australians. Archaeology always has a problem of being right until the next fossil or clay pot is dug up.

    Agriculture for example, may have existed in Israel as long as 23,000 years ago. That skewers most of conventional wisdom.

    We’ve also never had the Bradshaw paintings explained.

  26. PK says:

    Bejasus. i thought the sea levels were lower, But it looks like the UK was under water!

  27. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    The arrival of the white man was an enlightning thing for aboriginal cuisine . The got pots and finally they could boil water!something they never achieved i the thousands of years they lived here ,one bad thingthey became addicted to drinking tea .(amongst other things ) .

  28. C.L. says:

    Hear hear.
    The always was/always will be slogan doesn’t do anything for their cause.
    It’s aggressive, offensive and untrue.

    Aborigines do not ‘own’ a continent. Never did/never will.
    I don’t own Ireland either.

  29. gavalanche says:

    lot of blindness here too….

  30. rickw says:

    Looks like Avi’s having a good Australia Day. What a shithole:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI7hT7Ushi8

  31. mundi says:

    For those who don’t know:
    -Exclusive Native title exists over 780,00 square kilometers.
    -Non exclusive native title is a further 2,400,000 square kilometers (about 1/3rd of Australia).
    -A further 31.7% is still slowly being worked through by the National Native Title Tribunal and most of that is likely to be exclusive or non exclusive.

    The push for constitutional recognition is really a push to establish sovereignty for that title away from government and parliament. There are two lines of thought:
    1-Create a 3rd aboriginal house of parliament with veto rights over any law applying in any native title land.
    2-Create a new aboriginal state composed of most of the native title land.

    The second is the more preferred route, because the new state will essentially swipe the mining royalities, especially from QLD and WA.

    The saddest thing about all this is that there is an aboriginal welfare industrial complex – where far far to many people are making money off the aboriginal ‘problem’. After all the federal government is now spending over $50,000/year per aboriginal. Needlesss to say, they don’t just get given the $50k, that mostly finds its way into those in the industry.

  32. A Lurker says:

    The earliest Homo Sapiens are around 200,000 years ago

    Incorrect, recent discoveries by paleoanthropologists have pushed the date back to around 300,000 years with AMH (anatomically modern human) fossil finds at Jebel Irhoud in Morocco.

  33. Forester says:

    PK
    #3737950, posted on January 26, 2021 at 6:26 pm
    Bejasus. i thought the sea levels were lower, But it looks like the UK was under water!

    20,000 years ago most of it was under a kilometer of ice.

  34. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Incorrect, recent discoveries by paleoanthropologists have pushed the date back to around 300,000 years with AMH (anatomically modern human) fossil finds at Jebel Irhoud in Morocco.”

    That wouldn’t surprise me but those homo sapien fossils didn’t evolve on the continent now known as Australia.

  35. Dot says:

    1-Create a 3rd aboriginal house of parliament with veto rights over any law applying in any native title land.
    2-Create a new aboriginal state composed of most of the native title land.

    Both are terrible ideas:

    1. Apartheid and racial based lordship. But if I own my native title land here, why do I want some wankers from WA and QLD telling me what to do with it?
    2. Aborigines were never one people or nation. It is inauthentic, but no different to an Aboriginal living next to me owning his own land. Why change?

    I think Arnhem Land should possibly be autonomous. Native title is in fact very weak title. I fear genuine claimants are getting robbed; who can you sell native title to? One party only; the Commonwealth. Clearly this diminishes any economic value of NT.

  36. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “What a shithole:”

    Yep.

  37. jupes says:

    The only possible engineering feat by aboriginals may only be the boomerang, which hardly rates for so much else from other nations.

    No. They also had the digging stick.

  38. Googoomuck says:

    And I’m pretty sure…happy to be corrected…that Tasmanian Aboriginals had no knowledge of boomerangs.

    Well the mainlanders tried to throw one over to them but……

  39. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Aborigines do not ‘own’ a continent. Never did/never will.

    The Noongar peoples of Western Australia never claimed to “own” the land – they saw themselves as “custodians” or “guardians” of that land.

  40. Ed Case says:

    ****This statement is a work of poorly written fiction. All humans are descended from ancestors that roamed Africa.***
    That’s flat out wrong.
    We originated in Eurasia and moved outward and downward from there.
    Yeah, I know, they’ve found ancient hominid remains in Africa, they died out Millenia ago.

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people were Australia’s first explorers, first navigators, first engineers, first farmers, first botanists, first scientists, first diplomats, first astronomers and first artists.

    Who wrote this nonsense, Bruce Pascoe?

  42. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “That’s flat out wrong.
    We originated in Eurasia and moved outward and downward from there.
    Yeah, I know, they’ve found ancient hominid remains in Africa, they died out Millenia ago.”

    Wrong…..Dick Ed.

  43. BrettW says:

    I had an interesting chat with an Aussie now in his 40’s who came here from Columbia when he was 25.

    I asked him the obvious question about his country’s thoughts on being named after Columbus. He knew straight away I was making a reference to thoughts of Aboriginals and Capt Cook etc. He quite matter of factly said the Spanish did not leave many original inhabitants alive and 95% now descendant from Spanish and most are Catholic. Simply no issue about being named after Columbus.

    Said he thought Australia was the best country in the world.

    I have been in 1770 for past few days. Main road is named after Capt Cook but unfortunately could not find any T shirt with him or name on it. No doubt might trigger some. The ones which just say 1770 were not that great so no T shirt for me.

  44. JC says:

    oh God. Pascoe Tourettes makes an entrance.

  45. BrettW says:

    Is it Tourettes to constantly refer to Tourettes?

    “oh God. Pascoe Tourettes makes an entrance”

  46. Ed Case says:

    ***Is there evidence of Torres Strait Islander agriculture?***
    Yeah, they are gardeners, that was the basis for the Judgement in Mabo.
    Funny tho, i’ve never heard of any Land Rights claims being made in the Torres Straits

  47. JC says:

    I have been in 1770 for past few days.

    Huh

    We vacationed there in the 90s. Rented a house overlooking the water. I’m not sure if they were safe, because I was okay. I ate wild oysters straight from the rocks.

  48. JC says:

    Is it Tourettes to constantly refer to Tourettes?

    No.

    It’s the only way to cure his mental illness, Brett.

    Don’t be so selective.

    FFS, two years ago the imbecile was posting about Dylan Voller almost everyday for 9 months. Go look it up. That’s progressed to Bruce Pascoe now.

  49. Dot says:

    Funny tho, i’ve never heard of any Land Rights claims being made in the Torres Strait

    Yep, except for Eddie Mabo…🤔🤨🧐😒🙄🥱

  50. mem says:

    The(y) got pots and finally they could boil water!

    An often overlooked historical fact, if facts still exist. Have heard many a yarn about how the Aboriginals cooked Kangaroo soup in the dream days. Until iron pots arrived, no boiling water. Until white man arrived no pots.

  51. Dot says:

    That’s not entirely true.

    Stone hollows could employ stones heated in embers of a fire.

  52. Suburban Boy says:

    I would say that proto civilisation and proto engineering was emerging at Budjm Bim.

    Further explanation would be welcome. For instance: which areas of civilisation were they on the road to: written language, cities, organised government?

    As for engineering: knocking holes in some rocks and filling holes in other places to improve water flow is to civil engineering as a woomera is to aeronautical engineering.

  53. Ed Case says:

    LQC his also confused about Homo Erectus.
    If Homo Sapiens Sapiens originated in Africa, where do the Neanderthals come in?
    Answer, they don’t, since Neanderthals were never in Africa, so Homo Erectus couldn’t have come out of Africa either.

  54. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Why mot rename it ational Day that will annoy the globalite and shut the mendicant indigenius up .

  55. Chris M says:

    Excellent Lucius. Fully agree, apart from the time frame thing of course.

    There are groups intent of agitating trouble and unrest among western society. Despite their struggles the Aboriginal people are so much better off today then they were a couple of centuries ago, in addition to still existing that is.

  56. Dot says:

    Suburban Boy
    #3738046, posted on January 26, 2021 at 7:44 pm

    Wouldn’t “proto” mean “not really, but at least they were trying and starting out”?

  57. Old Lefty says:

    I heard at second hand recently of the views of a veteran anthropologist, who is by no means a hard-line right winger, and who thinks that Pascoe’s Dark Emu is completely devoid of genuine evidence.

  58. stackja says:

    The Dutch could have colonised and UN would have made all Dutch land Indonesia.

  59. H B Bear says:

    Gargooglery gives us a lesson on Homo Stupidus.

  60. Roger says:

    The always was/always will be slogan doesn’t do anything for their cause.
    It’s aggressive, offensive and untrue.

    We live in a post-truth world.

    Girls can be boys and boys can be girls and/or 90+ shades in between.

    “Always was, always will be” is a relatively minor claim by comparison.

    If you’re a property owner, factor in a “social justice levy” at some point in the future.

  61. max says:

    The Story Of Civilisation 01 by Will Durant

    The Bushmen usually live in solitary families; the Pygmies of Africa and the simplest natives of Australia admit only temporarily of political organization, and then scatter away to their family groups; the Tasmanians had no chiefs, no laws, no regular govern- ment; the Veddahs of Ceylon formed small circles according to family relationship, but had no government; the Kuhus of Sumatra “live without men in authority,” every family governing itself; the Fuegians are seldom more than twelve together; the Tungus associate sparingly in groups of ten tents or so; the Australian “horde” is seldom larger than sixty souls: In such cases association and cooperation are for special purposes, like hunting; they do not rise to any permanent political order.

  62. A Lurker says:

    LQC his also confused about Homo Erectus.
    If Homo Sapiens Sapiens originated in Africa, where do the Neanderthals come in?
    Answer, they don’t, since Neanderthals were never in Africa, so Homo Erectus couldn’t have come out of Africa either.

    Interesting factoid, there is Neanderthal DNA in African populations, but it has been theorised that the DNA came about from backflow, as in human populations bearing Neanderthal DNA moving back into Africa. As for H. erectus, they were most certainly in Africa. The direct ancestor of Neanderthals is (at the moment) suggested to be H. antecessor or H. heidelbergensis. The ancestor of H. antecessor appears (at the moment) to be H. erectus which spread as far East as Java. H. denisvova, which was kicking around the same time as Neanderthals and H. sapiens sapiens, from the fossil evidence appears to be primarily spread across Asia, and is likely another offshoot from the H. erectus branch. H. floresiensis may well be a similar offshoot.

  63. Dot says:

    I heard at second hand recently of the views of a veteran anthropologist, who is by no means a hard-line right winger, and who thinks that Pascoe’s Dark Emu is completely devoid of genuine evidence.

    Has he read Gammage?

  64. Dot says:

    I thought Europeans too had Neanderthal DNA.

  65. A Lurker says:

    I thought Europeans too had Neanderthal DNA.

    They do, overwhelming so. Aboriginals have both Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA. Most Asian populations have Denisovan DNA. I believe that the group with the highest Denisovan DNA are the tribesmen of Papua New Guinea.

  66. A Lurker says:

    A useful map.

  67. gavalanche says:

    if you dont respect the indig, you don’t respect australia, or yourself
    indeed you dont even know what australia means
    i am a bit disappointed in people here to be honest
    mirror image of leftie haters

  68. Dot says:

    I don’t have to respect any group, I respect individuals.

  69. A Lurker says:

    One thing I really hate is fake history and fake facts, and I’ll happily disrespect anyone knowingly spreading them. 🙂

  70. Wallace says:

    Please read Daisy Bates book about the true story of the elderly inhabitants of this land.
    It has living in the title.

  71. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “if you dont respect the indig, you don’t respect australia, or yourself
    indeed you dont even know what australia means”

    Eh? Respect works both ways. Over the last twenty years we’ve seen the “Walk for reconciliation”, we’ve seen the 2008 Apology and numerous other examples of white Australia submitting and prostrating themselves to indigenous Australia. It is never enough, they’re never satisfied. What do they want? For us to pack our bags and head back to Europe. Not going to happen. It is time for indigenous Australia to respect and accept European Australia and most importantly, for them to stop being victims because until then their situation will never improve. They are simply being used as pawn for the far-left.

  72. min says:

    Recent academic paper found no words in aboriginal languages that described farming, etc not even after contact with people who used these methods .
    Jared Diamond also said unless there were domesticatable animals people could not settle leave nomadic life
    Emu farms were not about in those days either , not until the equipment needed to build enclosures ‘
    So even though they were supposedly engineers scientists etc etc they still could not boil water, make pots or even clothe themselves . Must have been hotter back then .
    Comparing Indonesian which was based on market Malay almost a pidgin spoken by the Arab traders , there were no words for modern things so new words had to be made up.
    I also see they want $1million dollars per person reparation . They can have it when I ger reparation from the Vikings and probably Romans.

  73. Weeny says:

    I keep asking the question in the papers mainly the Australian. In relate to articles. Who did you want to be invaded by? But it keeps getting rejected – whomps.

  74. min says:

    Wallace , they keep quiet what Daisy Bates wrote about women and babies . She tried very hard to bring about change .

  75. Dave in Marybrook says:

    gavalanche
    What does australia mean then?
    If you can’t explain it in a single sentence, you’re kidding yourself, and don’t go thinking you’re shaming anyone much here.

  76. Bronson says:

    Mundi PNG highlanders have further faster. A Stone Age society first contact in the 1930s the Leahy brothers prospecting for gold. From then to now the son of one of the first contacts Pius Wingti PM of an independent country.

  77. Bruce says:

    TI culture is a WHOLE different thing. Read the work of Haddon on the region. A few years back there was a big bun-fight over the Haddon collection of ceremonial head-dresses in the UK. Foam -flecked “concerned citizens, not so “melanin-enhanced, it seems, were demanding the return of that collection to the Islands.

    As one would expect, the reality told a different story.

    Haddon was fascinated by the ornate ceremonial attire used on the various islands. Being an astute chap, he was also aware that the “genuine articles” had been through “special” ceremonies and were thus, “sacred”.

    So, he simply asked if it were possible for “unconsecrated replicas” to be made and taken as “art-works” to the other side of the planet. No problemo.

    Hence the collection of “un-sanctified” ceremonial attire in the UK.

    Excess fish, especially mullet, are used, whole, as fertilizer when planting things like coconuts.

    Not all “melanin enhanced” folks are the same, nor do they share “universal” values.

    While we are at it, who is the designated “spokes=person” for the “little people” of North Queensland?.

    Little-people? About 3/4 scale, brown-skinned folks who are recorded on film shot in the first half of the 20th century in North Queensland. Not unlike similar folk in the eastern end of the Indonesian Archipelago.

    Who were the “Mungo people”?

    Who killed off the Megafauna, like the Diprotodon, et al? Prehistoric SUVs?

  78. gavalanche says:

    okay dave,
    well i am a first genner
    ’82
    england
    north west of
    australia to me is the land – the eucalyptus trees especially
    thats what brought me back from europe every time i went there…
    the land.
    i have walked the camino de santiago
    and i have walked a lot in oz
    australia is still anciently alive
    europe isnt
    we are privileged here and you guys dont even see it
    it is sad
    go back to europe if thats the limit of your imagination
    seriously
    i am not kidding….i came here to get away from lefty delusion,,,now i have to deal with this ignorant shit
    i am drunk
    its australia day
    and i hope you can embrace this land, which is so much bigger than your idea of it

  79. Boambee John says:

    2dogs
    #3737924, posted on January 26, 2021 at 6:05 pm
    Is there evidence of Torres Strait Islander agriculture?

    Yes.

  80. Cassie of Sydney says:

    An avalanche of incoherent gunk.

    “i am drunk”

    Obviously.

  81. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “i am not kidding….i came here to get away from lefty delusion,,,now i have to deal with this ignorant shit”

    Most of come here to get away from sanctimonious crap artists like you.

    Now if you want to have an adult conversion, go away, sober up and come back you can write a proper sentence…with commas, capitals and apostrophes.

    And when you do, don’t you dare lecture us with gunk such as “embracing this land, which is so much bigger than your idea of it“….now I don’t know about others, but I call that progressive leftist shit.

  82. lotocoti says:

    I was hoping our new friend might’ve given us a bit more of this other Eden, demi-paradise, beyond the end of the tar.

  83. Rex Anger says:

    @ locototi-

    There’s an end to the tar?!

    (Thank heavens- I think I’ve become allergic to the feathers…)

  84. Lee says:

    if you dont respect the indig, you don’t respect australia, or yourself …

    I happen to believe respect is earned, not given.
    That applies to everyone.

  85. Dot says:

    I hate bloody gum trees.

  86. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    If you have agriculture you have to have permanemt houses ,you gather with other people to protect crops from predators human and animthat means villages . Long establishr]ed villages leave middens to search . No examples of pottery have been found this indicates an inability to boil water. They roamed in small groups means just enough food for them and none to store for the future , lacking vessels to hol food ,when that was gone they moved on so their group terrioryhad to be large to feed them . The coastal areas were richer in food thus had a highe population than the desert ,all simple facts . Archaeology in Australia is a thankless task ,they left little to indicate their presence because they had nothing to carbon date .all these stories are PC bullshit .invented by lefties for their pwn use against the real people who pay the taxes that feed them ,gratitude is foreign to the left .

  87. Bruce in WA says:

    Most of come here to get away from sanctimonious crap artists like you.

    Now if you want to have an adult conversion, go away, sober up and come back you can write a proper sentence…with commas, capitals and apostrophes.

    And when you do, don’t you dare lecture us with gunk such as “embracing this land, which is so much bigger than your idea of it“….now I don’t know about others, but I call that progressive leftist shit.

    Cassie, I think I love you …

  88. gavalanche says:

    oh hi cassie,
    well i see you are not inhibited much either
    so the land is what then?
    real estate to you?
    that it?
    i cherish this land and its legacy
    apparently you don’t
    so what the fuck you doing here sunshine?
    living in sydney perhaps?
    or melbourne?
    you think you can separate australia from the land and its history?
    really?
    are you that delusional?
    the land conquers the conquerors
    we all becoming more indigenous
    every generation
    whether you like it or not
    i like it!
    i am proud to be australian
    i am proud of this country
    its indigenous people
    their culture and wisdom
    and if you aint….
    well…everyone deserves a chance….so i will not press
    but if you would talk to me like that in person…..
    well cassie….
    you would not like my reaction
    grow up princess or you gonna have a very rude awakening one day
    i guarantee it

  89. gavalanche says:

    and bruce,
    you can go fuck yourself you beta male twat

  90. gavalanche says:

    dot if you hate gum trees why you here?

  91. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “you would not like my reaction”

    Oh dear…..he’s now throwing out threats.

  92. Cassie of Sydney says:

    I think a smiting is required.

  93. Dot says:

    I was born here and there are around 450 deciduous natives that can be planted.

    Typical Australian government: “New building, road or park, must plant *endangered eucalypt* that has billions of its species in the wild…”

    Just fuck them right off.

  94. gavalanche says:

    lee the indig have earned our respect many times over….
    we built the country on them….
    there were massacres
    there were wars
    these still havent been brought out in the light
    we didnt do it
    but they happened
    truth is truth
    its not about bleeding hearts
    its about moving on
    moving forward
    now
    now we have to learn from the indigenous
    they have learnt from us, very well
    now its our turn
    what do yo think permaculture represents?
    it is an archaic revival (mckenna)
    thats why it started here
    cos oz is uniquely connected to traditional wisdom as a first world country
    thats our privilege and responsibility
    thats what makes our country unique
    i will say it again: if you aint proud of the indig you aint proud of australia
    and i will say it to your face…whenever, wherever

  95. gavalanche says:

    go run to your safe space cassie
    if you cant take it
    dont dish it out princess

  96. lotocoti says:

    their culture and wisdom

    Someone’s done a Nimbin drum circle.

  97. candy says:

    Aboriginals being diplomats from say 40,000 years ago is a difficult concept to understand.

    Did they wear suits?

  98. MatrixTransform says:

    endangered eucalypts freely hybridize

    when you think about it …that’s very Australian

  99. gavalanche says:

    candy, they didnt wipe each other out, they lived prosperously, in harmony with the land
    their law is tied to the land
    as ours used to be in pre-roman times
    we are all originally indigenous
    we got slaughtered by the romans, in the name of christ
    1/3 of the gauls were wiped out
    the way through this mess we are living in is to reconnect with our roots
    or…you can tilt at windmills
    up to you

  100. Done Deal says:

    min
    #3738113, posted on January 26, 2021 at 8:55 p

    I also see they want $1million dollars per person reparation . They can have it when I ger reparation from the Vikings and probably Romans.

    Mate if you counted up the genuine indigenous brethren, as opposed to the faux ones one that have invented their connections to jump on the gravy train, and divided them into the largesse that has been thrown at them already, pretty you would find the $1m pp would have been surpassed years ago.

  101. gavalanche says:

    if you can’t understand myth then you understand nothing
    what do you think the story of christ is?
    it’s a myth (which means it is true for all time, not ‘untrue’)
    that’s why the blackfellas got the story quicksmart
    like the africans and americans
    cos jesus is the story of an indigenous man in a colonised country!

  102. MatrixTransform says:

    cos jesus is the story of an indigenous man in a colonised country

    with respect, the whole tabula rasa concept is bullshit.

  103. Bruce in WA says:

    and bruce,
    you can go fuck yourself you beta male twat

    Oh, you drunken, illiterate, unhinged dickhead … if only you knew.

    candy, they didnt wipe each other out, they lived prosperously, in harmony with the land

    Total utter bullshit; their lives were short and brutal … average age at death ~20. They wiped out the megafauna and desertified half the bloody continent.

    You make a cretin seem like an intellectual giant.

  104. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    there were massacres

    Some of which were fully investigated at the time and found to be nothing more then “Stories my Nanna told me.”

  105. Dot says:

    endangered eucalypts freely hybridize

    THEY’RE NOT FUCKING ENDANGERED!

    “ENDANGERED” RIVER RED GUM – GO CHECK OUT BARMAH FOREST, YOU SILLY POMMY GIT.

  106. MatrixTransform says:

    When I was younger.
    not even that much younger
    I pollinated hot eucalypt i could

  107. gavalanche says:

    bruce,
    60 000 years at least
    we cant manage a few hundred years without trying to slaughter each other on a regular basis
    and yet…nothing to learn….
    hmm
    wisdom is realising that in every man there is something of which i can learn…
    someone famous said that
    they died at 20 hey?
    you are full of shit mate
    totally full of shit
    and i think you are late for your flat earth class

  108. MatrixTransform says:

    *every
    * every hot eucalypt

  109. Squirrel says:

    It would be nice to think that people who have made a fortune out of being decorative and being able to deliver lines written by other people, and who came to notice with the benefit of an upbringing subsidised from the proceeds of stolen land, could do somewhat more than virtue signal on social media.

    Real “passion” for the issue would be demonstrated by, say, a month a year spent living and working (without cameras recording the nice bits) in a remote community.

    The thousands who marched today, and are now back in their safe, comfy, middle class homes (bastions of imperialist, colonialist technology and culture) could do likewise, just to show they really mean it.

  110. gavalanche says:

    look up the story of doughboy – around bello area….legend…innocent, like all his mates that got hung….but hey, truth came out after they were dead
    get your fucking facts straight before you start preaching about white supremacy
    got zero tolerance for this shit…zero
    and if anyone has any balls here they should speak up also

  111. Done Deal says:

    Does gavalanche = Numbers? (& maybe one or two other similar poster’s here that stir the pot for the sake of it)….asking for a friend.

  112. Lazlo says:

    Eucalypts are noxious, dangerous weeds. We need a national effort to eradicate them.

  113. lotocoti says:

    we got slaughtered by the romans, in the name of christ

    Hmmm.
    I think we’ve found one of Number’s students.

  114. Lazlo says:

    We got slaughtered by the Romans, in the name of Christ
    1/3 of the Gauls were wiped out

    That was before Christ was born. The clue is in the date: 55BC.

  115. MatrixTransform says:

    in a remote community

    there’s a big disconnect between what they think is going on, and what’s really going on

    I’ve been in Philipines and see some real depraved and miserable stuff
    Also been in remote communities

    most of Oz has no fucking idea

  116. gavalanche says:

    all i hear is the whining of cowards.
    who has the balls to stick up for indig?
    (crickets)
    i am my own man, unlike the majority of you pusillanimous fools
    you are just like the lefties who love their own version of the echo chamber
    no difference
    prove me wrong

  117. Bruce in WA says:

    they died at 20 hey?
    you are full of shit mate
    totally full of shit
    and i think you are late for your flat earth class

    If you wish, I will let the Boss pass on my address to you.

    Come and meet me face to face.

    Say what you said to my face.

    But I tell you now, you WILL be sticking your toothbrush up your freckle to clean your teeth!

  118. MatrixTransform says:

    who has the balls to stick up for indig?

    my brother in law is ‘indig’
    the father of my nephews
    who.the.fuck.are.you to speak for any of them?

  119. gavalanche says:

    the gallic roman wars went on for centuries,,into the christian era….
    but you are right lazlo,, main theatre pre-christian
    the point i was making was that we all have a history similar to the indig here – our own inidg ancestors were slaughtered and enslaved at the hands of a coloniser, ie rome

  120. Dave in Marybrook says:

    Enough of your “I’m actually drunk, for realsies actually” Vogon poetry free association platitudes, gavalanche.
    What Australia means, in one sentence.
    Go!

  121. gavalanche says:

    matrix,,,i speak for them cos everyone else is piling shit on them
    sounds like it should be you defending them more than I!

  122. Dave in Marybrook says:

    BTW, if you re-arrange the letters in “gavalanche”, you get
    Gauche Blanc Wank.

  123. JC says:

    The Romans ran a fairly decent shop as far as empires. If you paid the Roman tax and didn’t cause trouble you were left alone to prosper. That’s pretty fair for ancient times.

  124. mh says:

    i will say it again: if you aint proud of the indig you aint proud of australia

    I’m so proud of the indig.
    Really, really proud.

  125. Lazlo says:

    Sure, also slaughtered at the hands of the Huns, Goths, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, Mongols, Arab Islamists, Crusaders, Turks, Soviets, Nazis, Japanese, Chinese Communists etc.

    So what?

  126. MatrixTransform says:

    see, that’s something that shits me
    BiL is black and not just gavalanche’s version of black
    I mean fucking black

    seriously dude, stop trying to categorize everybody into woke-buckets

    It pisses me off even to have to say something about it because one ends up cornered in this trap of ‘representation’

    You know what, my brother in law isn’t aboriginal at all, he’s a bloke with a fucked back and 2 teen aged sons and a SS commodore

  127. JC says:

    i will say it again: if you aint proud of the indig you aint proud of australia

    I’m so proud of the indig.
    Really, really proud.

    Dude, mh .. stop that shit. You’re going to get the Rones all worked up and we end up with the boiling water shtick. We don’t want to go there.

    Frankly, I couldn’t give a rats arse about the indig. But then they think the same. They couldn’t give a shit about me. I’m totally fine with that.

  128. MatrixTransform says:

    sounds like it should be you defending them more than I!

    fuck off

    your’e new here

  129. lotocoti says:

    Hallelujah!
    We’ve got ourselves a white saviour.

  130. Lazlo says:

    the point i was making was that we all have a history similar to the indig here – our own inidg ancestors were slaughtered and enslaved at the hands of a coloniser, ie rome

    Sure, our ancestors were also slaughtered at the hands of the Huns, Goths, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, Mongols, Arabs, Crusaders, Turks, Soviets, Nazis, Japanese, Chinese Communists etc.

    So what?

  131. gavalanche says:

    okay dave:
    more in point from than a sentence:
    born from the dregs,
    excluding none,
    an ancient land
    a new nation
    hybrid vigour
    australia, like america, is a an experiment
    a noble experiment
    but we have no puritanical pride
    quite the opposite
    we have the tall poppy syndrome
    for we are the products of criminals
    except adelaide
    which is why they are so righteous and talk funny
    the proposition
    the gold is in the trash
    australia’s rude beginnings are what makes it uniquely suitable for being the vehicle of an deep integration., for there is very little ego to get in the way…
    in one sentence: australia is the youngest and oldest nation on the earth – and that paradox is the key to its meaning.

  132. MatrixTransform says:

    look gavalanche, i like yr voice in the forums
    yr just wrong this time

  133. gavalanche says:

    matrix, what am i wrong about exactly?

  134. Dave in Marybrook says:

    not so much an avalanche, as being attacked by snowflake memes
    that, or logorrhea.

  135. MatrixTransform says:

    what am i wrong about exactly?

    there is no ‘exactly’

  136. Lazlo says:

    The Romans ran a fairly decent shop as far as empires. If you paid the Roman tax and didn’t cause trouble you were left alone to prosper. That’s pretty fair for ancient times.

    Quite right. It was only when the natives got uppity and refused to be conquered – Druids, Zealots, Germans – that a firm hand was necessary. Otherwise it was all hunky dory, as you say. Except they were containing enemies within the empire and it got beyond their central control.

  137. Dave in Marybrook says:

    As someone said on the OT, I can’t respect cultures, I can only respect individuals
    And I’ve got no time for individuals who think that some cultures are beyond criticism, and others are beyond the pale
    ie, gussie up, or go tell it to your psychiatric counsellor

  138. JC says:

    for we are the products of criminals

    Nonsense. We 25 million in population now having descended from transportation. In fact those numbers are relatively small.

    Australia as a nation began to be formed with the Gold Rush and not Transportation. That’s when the rubber hit the road.

  139. JC says:

    whoops

    Read as:

    We’re not 25 million in population now having descended from transportation

  140. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    for we are the products of criminals

    Speak for yourself

  141. Lazlo says:

    Victoria-centric thinking on display JC. You love to display your convict-free credentials, yet you were founded by Tasmanians (convict stain!).

  142. JC says:

    Here’s a chart.

    Australian population from 1800 onwards.

    It takes off like a rocket from the 1850s onwards. The national identity was formed from the Gold Rush on.

  143. MatrixTransform says:

    Oh god.

    I’m still trying to get to the bottom of what he means when he, “oh Gods”

  144. gavalanche says:

    ok matrix, what am i wrong about?
    just ‘evrything’?
    let me summarise my ‘wrongness’:
    i am saying:
    1. that dividing this country into indig and non-indig is a ploy, a typical ploy of power
    2. that seeing the indissoluble link between land and culture is primary
    3. that our australian culture is already deeply entwined with the land and the indigenous peoples of it – it is in our accents and manner and placenames and language and genetics, already
    4. that i do not agree with disparaging australia day: not one jot…i am proud to be an australian. and my pride is connected with this country’s indigenous legacy, not solely! but this is part of it.
    5.that i expected more from this forum that i was hitherto quite impressed with…after the projections from the left over the last few years, i was surprised to find something similar here – an all too cliched devaluing of the indigenous culture…as if they were different fundamentally from white fellas
    this is simply not christian
    and i am a christian….perhaps a wee bit devilish also,,,but i make no apologies for that neither

  145. JC says:

    ok matrix, what am i wrong about?
    just ‘evrything’?

    Not everything, but roughly about 90%

    let me summarise my ‘wrongness’:
    i am saying:

    If you must.

    1. that dividing this country into indig and non-indig is a ploy, a typical ploy of power

    The division is caused by the left and the leftwing indig. The rest of us don’t give a freaking rats.

    2. that seeing the indissoluble link between land and culture is primary

    Doofus, what is it 90% of the nations population lives in half a dozen metros. Most of us don’t see land. We see bitumen, concrete and grass.

    3. that our australian culture is already deeply entwined with the land and the indigenous peoples of it – it is in our accents and manner and placenames and language and genetics, already

    It is not.

    4. that i do not agree with disparaging australia day: not one jot…i am proud to be an australian. and my pride is connected with this country’s indigenous legacy, not solely! but this is part of it.

    Really? I live in Melbourne. It’s been over a decade I’d guess last time I saw a real aboriginal…. At a fucking art gallery. The owner flew the gals (artists) in for the show and it was Spring. They had coats on because they were freezing.

    5.that i expected more from this forum that i was hitherto quite impressed with…after the projections from the left over the last few years, i was surprised to find something similar here – an all too cliched devaluing of the indigenous culture…as if they were different fundamentally from white fellas
    this is simply not christian

    Sure, one or two or do, but we all know who they are and they’re treated like shit. Deservedly too, I might add.

  146. MatrixTransform says:

    gavalanche,
    I know a bloke that flew helicopters in the Sri Lankan army
    my kids think that knowing a black bloke doesnt make me woke
    I know that he has balls of steel
    they think he’s a stupid black fella

    careful you dont fall into the trap too
    bigotry is weird like that

  147. JC says:

    matrix

    It’s not you, don’t worry.

    (Rones, take a bow).

  148. Lazlo says:

    It’s called a gold rush, same thing happened in western NSW, WA etc in the 19th century.

    Hard to say when a ‘national identity’ was forged. Apparently the Australian accent emerged very early in Sydney – a couple of generations – as a creole of Cockney and Irish.

    Surely you would agree that National Identity is an evolving feast JC, as there are more New Australians?

  149. gavalanche says:

    matrix, i think you know i am not a bigot…
    i just dont get this judgement frenzy
    it really has surprised me
    its the media and its little pinprick ways
    but we should be aware of that

  150. gavalanche says:

    JC, get a new name name mate – you really gonna have trouble living up to that one…
    you nowhere fucking near it

  151. JC says:

    Oh okay, Gav. Thanks for the thoughtful comment.

  152. Jannie says:

    Notforgiving you LCQ your still a dick

  153. gavalanche says:

    jc,
    just cos you dont know any blackfellas dont mean everyone else the same…
    if you want to keep your moniker,,,try compassion on for size,,,its not an easy garment to wear, but by god i respect anyone who can pull it off

  154. JC says:

    I’m hugely “compassioned”, Gav.

  155. gavalanche says:

    jc, well you hide it well
    anyway…good luck to you all…happy australia day…and keep the faith
    like donny

  156. there would be few Aboriginal Australians (perhaps none) who today could say that they have no ancestry at all from settlers who arrived after 1787.

    Your cover as “bloke fit to comment on aboriginal affairs” just got blown.

  157. Xword says:

    Fook me … thank heavens we don’t have Ice Ages anymore. When the last one kicked in it’s estimated that the world population was reduced to about 10,ooo breeding pairs. If one happened now and the stats were the same, 99.9999 per cent of us would go the way of the dinasours. Personally, I think it would be higher … people back then were mighty efficient scavengers – and they didn’t have smart phones.

  158. Yarpos says:

    “Always was….” is such complete BS. What is the length of indigenous habitation even in their wildest imaginations? what is the age of the Australian continent?

    We will never know who they may have displaced, not having a written language and relying on chinese whispers or just flat out making things up allows you to construct your own mythology.

  159. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “We will never know who they may have displaced, not having a written language and relying on chinese whispers or just flat out making things up allows you to construct your own mythology.”

    Even if they didn’t replace anyone…the whole concept that “they’ve always been here”…is just ludicrous and goes against the story of humanity….in fact if they insist on such a narrative then what they’re saying is that they aren’t homo sapiens.

  160. Dot says:

    The way to avoid an ice age is mercilessly eradicate all eucalyptus plants.

    What cvnty fucking tree they are.

  161. Sirocco says:

    A bit late to this conversation, but here are a few facts. Modern humans arrived in the Sahul about 53,000 years ago. Sea levels were such that it was only an intensification of the ongoing ice age at that time that levels dropped 80 metres below current levels. The Arafura basin is 50 metres deep at the eastern (Torres Strait) end and about 80 metres deep at the western end, after which the land drops off the continental shelf. The basin was dry for a short time 110,000 years ago, and dry again at 71,000 years ago. There is no archeological evidence of human occupation from those periods.

    Sea levels rose flooding the basin around 45,000 years ago and it remained flooded until about 35,000 years ago. The Last Glacial Maximum occurred at around 28,000 years ago when the basin became dry for about 16,000 years. Humans occupied that land for that long period. It flooded with the Melt Water Pulse 1A at around 12,000 years ago when sea levels rose above the 80 metres. It flooded from the western end, driving people out of the lnd they had occupied for 16,000 years. Dispersal was to the north into Papua/PNG escarpment, and south into first the Kimberley escarpment and later the Arnhem land escarpment.. Gradually all the basin flooded pushing people either north or south.

    What is overlooked in the megafauna debate is that CO2 levels had been dropping since the Pliocene and well into the Pleistocene, and by 30,000 years ago was below 180ppm. Plant life cannot exist at that level, and so herbivores died out. And consequently carnivores died out. It had very little to do with the early humans.

    The Australian landscape was dry windy and stark. Humans found shelter in river valleys, and lived a miserable existence until the beginning of the Holocene when CO2 levels began to rise, and life became a little easier. CO2 was the saviour .

  162. Bruce says:

    Interesting thing about Eucalyptus trees:

    There are FIRE CLIMAX species..

    The seed pods of most are so tough, they NEED a quick warm-over from a ground-fire to propagate.

    It gets better: They also change the soil as they are growing in it.The technical term is Podzolization. And there ya go, soil science has its entire “taxonomic” system based on…..RUSSIAN, because that is where a LOT of the work was being done in the 18th and 19th centuries. Music? Italian, Ballet? French technical jargon, Aviation? English.

    So, millennia of roaming bands of nomads, mostly stark naked because thy did not have serious thread-spinning or weaving technology, systematically torched the countryside in a process known as “fire-stick hunting. The fairly rapid result of this was a change in the dominant vegetation species.Inland, it was vast swathes of grasslands dotted with Eucalyptus and Acacia species whose seed pods were cracked by one racing ground fire and started to sprout in the resultant ash bed. There is a very good reason that explorer Mitchell describe riding through endless seas of tall grass and seeing numerous smoke smudges on the horizon.

    One for the tree-luggers; If you stop the “low-level” burns, the litter from all hose gum trees builds up. It can and does get to a point where WHEN it next catches fire, the heat of decades of accumulated crap burning, can “ring-bark” the trees. A REALLY hot fire with a heavy fuel lod on teh ground als “cooks” the soil, leaving sterile dust to a depth of two feet or more. The rains that seem to follow the spewing of particulate matter into the air? All that sterile dust gets washed away, usually ending up in sundry waterways, asphyxiating the aquatic critters and silting up the watercourse.

    It gets worse. In areas where the dryer Eucalyptus forests abut a fluffy “rain forest”, EVERY time a fire in a gum-tree forest gets out of hand (fuel buildup, ground-fire becomes crown fire) the radiant heat and the wind-blown cinders will burn away some more of those cuddly rain-forest trees. And if you have ever been near a real bush fire, you will have noticed that above a certain scale, and depending on terrain, these fires create their own local weather, especially wind-wise.

    Guess what sort of tree is best adapted to rise from the ashes?

  163. JohnJJJ says:

    Once again demonstrating the superiority of never writing anything down. Keep no records. The Vic. public service and Dan’s Gov are experts in this.

  164. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Well said, LQC. Especially in noting how most if not all people claiming aboriginality in culture actually have a mix in their genes of non-aboriginal heritage. In this, they are simply joining the rest of the world, where the normal attractions, including rapine at times it must be said, between men and women at borders, in trade and in expansion of populations to new areas led to most people in the world today being genetic mixtures.

    Australia Day celebrates bringing this admixture possibility to an isolated people shuttered and blinkered in a very limited technology and set of resources. That they did well with them is to be noted, even admired, but they didn’t stay there either genetically or culturally. They are here now, celebrating this lucky country if they are sensible; getting stupidly antsy let by hysterical myth-mongering if they are not. The European past was not kind to many people, including indigenous peoples, but the European legacy of freedom, individual advancement and democracy is hard won and worth keeping.

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    A great account there, Bruce, of the development of a Fire Climax species of Eucalypt.

    Personally, I’d replant with Oak, Ash and Elm, but that’s just me. 🙂

    Realistically, keeping these petrol trees tamed is an ecological priority these days now that extensive fire farming has ceased.

  166. Up The Workers! says:

    Sounds to me like 60,000 years of cruelty to witchetty grubs.

    Where is P.E.T.A. when you need them?

  167. Epicurious says:

    OK, I give in. Who is Liam Hemsworth?

  168. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Liam Hemsworth?

    An actor?

  169. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Keith Windscuttle pointing out, in Quadrant Online that Aborigines never ceded sovereignty over Australia for a very good reason – there was no sovereignty to cede…

  170. Howard Hill says:

    In 4980 BCE, people in the Balkans were smelting copper, in China they were cultivating rice. In all that time since, It’s incredible the Abo’s never ever really amounted to anything other than pointing bones at each other.

    And now some academically educated lunatic wants us to believe this shit?

    Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people were Australia’s first explorers, first navigators, first engineers, first farmers, first botanists, first scientists, first diplomats, first astronomers and first artists.

    The History of the World – Every Year.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Wu0Q7x5D0

  171. Bruce says:

    “History of the World?

    The Mel Brooks version has its moments.

  172. Paul MR says:

    When they talk about the oldest they miss/disregard the South African Bushmen

  173. gavalanche says:

    cassie and bruce in wa: i am very sorry for my rude words last night
    i was out of order
    sorry JC also
    and thankyou to matrix for trying to gently slap me out of it
    best to all

  174. MatrixTransform says:

    gav,
    it’s important to thrash some things out
    drunk not drunk
    politically charged
    rowdy, or not

    All I can say is that there’s a hidden hand in all of this
    easy to see what some whitefellas do to some blackfellas
    it is very difficult to see what it is that blackfellas do to blackfellas
    you gotta look real close
    and when you see it, then it can’t un-seen
    It’s worse. much worse. shocking
    lemme tell ya, some of them, they’ll ruthlessly keep each other down

    my nephews cop a whole pile of shit from both sides of the fence
    and it aint because they’re black
    it’s because they’re considered political capital

    Personally, I refuse to do that
    they aren’t tokens
    they’re people

  175. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Daily Mail. We are supposed to take this bullshit seriously?

    The Case To Change Australia Day

    Australian actress and indigenous activist Natasha Wanganeen said politicians need the courage to lead the nation in the right direction.

    ‘Look at the citizen test online – they’ve still got that question asking what country did Aboriginals migrate from to get to Australia.

    ‘That is absolute crap. We have been here for over 200,000 years – longer than that … so it’s insulting that the government still has that up there teaching immigrants that we don’t come from here.’

    Ms Wanganeen said her people’s men and youth still had the highest suicide rate on the planet.

    ‘Our women go to prison and get Tasered in the eyes and killed because they’re not getting looked after.’

    ‘So many things need to change and if we had a government that was brave enough to do that I would absolutely support that.’

  176. grumpy says:

    Has Mr Hemsworth (and all his like-minded souls) given back the large amount of real estate they have acquired (i.e stolen) to any indigenous person?
    Didn’t think so.
    Has any one of the indigenous persons who marched yesterday given back any of the things that are here because of the arrival of the British?
    Didn’t think so.
    Am I gunna take any of them seriously?
    Don’t think so.

  177. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Has any one of the indigenous persons who marched yesterday given back any of the things that are here because of the arrival of the British?

    Has any one of the indigenous persons who marched yesterday given back all the things that are here because of the arrival of the British, and returned to the Stone Age lifestyle of a hunter gatherer?

  178. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “We have been here for over 200,000 years”

    So is Ms Wanganeen saying that indigenous aren’t homo sapiens?

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