Bettina Arndt’s Monthly Newsletter

Below are two paras from Bettina Arndt’s Monthly Newsletter. You should perhaps subscribe yourself. This is Bettina’s email address and her various links.

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And these are the paras I find of interest.

For those of you living overseas, or under a rock, Brittany Higgins is a young woman who last week announced, through the media, that she was raped two years ago, when working as an adviser for the Defence Minister, Linda Reynolds.

As the story unfolded, it was used to mount a ferocious attack on the government. Note the timing – coinciding with the arrival of the Covid vaccine, which should have been a high point for the Coalition which is decimating the Opposition in the polls. It is also hardly a coincidence that Higgin’s current partner, David Sharaz, is a former press gallery journalist, now working for SBS and known to be a fierce critic of the government.

Everyone has an agenda. Such as: Submarine blunder: time to cut our losses from Robert Gottliebsen where we read:

But first, a word about Defence Minister Linda Reynolds. Countless past defence ministers have simply adopted the recommendations of defence personnel and then covered up their mistakes. It was like a game of musical chairs which eventually would end. Sadly for Linda Reynolds it ended on her watch.

I am glad Scott Morrison stood behind her over the rape saga but as the last of the “cover up mistakes” defence ministers she is the wrong person to take on the French and end the contract.

Perhaps that’s why Reynolds was admitted to hospital yesterday. Might also mention this: Peter Dutton defends handling of information around Brittany Higgins rape allegation. Dutton is also mentioned by Gottliebsen in his article about submarines:

From my observation the two toughest ministers in the cabinet are Josh Frydenberg (ask Google and Facebook) and Peter Dutton.

Moving Frydenberg from Treasury is not an option and Peter Dutton’s Home Affairs portfolio is a huge job but there is no more important ministry in the next year than defence.

Other than perhaps Home Affairs.

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78 Responses to Bettina Arndt’s Monthly Newsletter

  1. MACK says:

    Re Sharaz – no-one in the Liberal party seems to understand this is a war. Nice guys finish second. They should announce the merger of the ABC and SBS immediately, and continue to freeze the budget. Just imagine what the ALP would do if the ABC was balanced – they’d clean the management out as soon as they got elected and fill it with their people. Liberals are wimps.

  2. Alain says:

    It’s obvious it was a hit piece, we just have to accept we lost the cultural war against the media, it’s filled with left leaning cultural Marxists and authoritarians that love telling the peasants what to do.
    George Pell
    Tony (ate an onion) Abbott
    Trump
    VC Winner Ben Robert Smith
    Pete Evans
    Craig Kelly

    No mention of the pack rape by Africans in Brisbane
    Hushed tones on Bill Shortens Rape Allegations
    No mention of Albo’s massage parlour runs

    Anyways despite the above lucky we’re not in a war, imagine the dimwits in power trying to cope with something as stressful as a war.

  3. Rex Mango says:

    Agree with Bettina this whole episode straight out of ALP/ABC/SBS Black Ops playbook. Note also that things are dripfed to remain on top of the news cycle.

    Re subs, now with threat of China is the chance to ditch Turnbull’s dud French retrofitted diesel duds & buy off the shelf Virginia Class nukes, while also committing to nuclear power stations, nuclear industry & win the climate war too.

  4. the sting says:

    When Labor win , they are in power ; when the Liberals win they are in office . { Apologies to Mark Steyn ]

  5. Snoopy says:

    Re subs, now with threat of China is the chance to ditch Turnbull’s dud French retrofitted diesel duds & buy off the shelf Virginia Class nukes,

    Zhou Bai Den will not sell us nuclear-powered subs.

  6. Mique says:

    Gottliebsen is unhinged on Defence issues. His rants against the F35 are simply ignorant like earlier media generations’ rants against the F111 and the Blackhawk/Seahawk helicopters. While there have been purchasing boondoggles over the years, most have resulted from politicians’ self-serving political interference in the process. Nevertheless, if there are stories in the media about a Defence issue, whether by the ABC/SBS or the commercial media, start with the assumption that the authors of the stories know nothing about the issue, or about what is really happening, and/or have an agenda of their own.

    The depth of collective ignorance of journalists writing about defence materiel or personnel matters, with vanishingly rare exceptions, is beyond profound.

  7. Up The Workers! says:

    When Liberals win, they protect the innocent citizens and lock up the violent crims and drug dealers.

    When Labor win, they protect their “little maaate” violent crims and drug dealers and head-stomp, bash, pepper-spray, choke-hold, “George Floyd”, cash-extort, truncheon, smash car windscreens, boot in front doors and violently arrest the innocent citizens.

    The basically still do the same things, but it is who they do it to, that is totally different.

  8. Gyro Cadiz says:

    Gottliebsen is a blithering ignoramus without the slightest idea what he is talking about when it comes to Defence, defence equipment, or strategy.

    He’s a freaking economist and business journo yammerhead. Isn’t he a globalist homogeniser Keynesian?

    My cocker spaniel knows more about submarines than that ignorant self opinionated bloviating idiot.

  9. Gyro Cadiz says:

    Rex, ain’t gonna happen old son. Don’t have the skill sets in industry or Navy, nor the infrastructure to support them

  10. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Gottliebsen is a blithering ignoramus without the slightest idea what he is talking about

    He’s always struck me as barking mad.

  11. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Linda Reynolds is a lightweight; her, in reference to the Brereton Inquiry, ‘I can’t unread what I have read’ makes per position already untenable as the Defence Minister.

    As to the present circumstances, either Reynolds has health concerns or she does not. If her health is not robust enough to undergo what is, or should be, a normal level of scrutiny in a Westminster Parliamentary system – leaving aside whether the Higgins claim has merit – she should go or the PM should demote her. If her health is not at risk then she should be made to front Parliament to undergo standard scrutiny as a Minister.

    Her current behaviour post the Biggins claims suggests an unwillingness to do this. The problem is, if she can’t take what is in fact reasonable examination by legitimately pushing back against her critics both inside and outside the parliament, then how could she ever at a time of war stand the daily examination of the government’s war policy and strategy, especially when the situation was dire?

    I hate to call her out as a woman but if she was a man I doubt any deference to her situation, unless her physical health really is a problem, would be shown.

    Memo to Minister Reynolds et al., : Ministers of the Crown are always subject to scrutiny, whether that scrutiny is fair and reasonable or not, maybe reproached when their decisions and/or behaviour warrants it and may not retain the position just because it is currently is their’s.

  12. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    The first thing the chinese puppets who take over will do is eliminate the whining left muppets , theywill not tolerste this gender and racist crap the chinese are the biggest racists in the world . Perhaps re education camps ? Ask the Uighers they know .
    Defund SBS its racist ,amalgamate it with alpbc and cut funding by 50 per cent ,insisting the keep country broadcasting .

  13. Mike Ryan says:

    Good observation, Steve.
    Also worth remembering the shameful smearing of veterans and our serving defence warriors in the Afghan discrepancies. Just a reminder: Defence is State sanctioned Violence. “War Crime” is how the Left refer to our vital defence actions.

  14. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “You should perhaps subscribe yourself.”

    Thanks Steve…I already do. Bettina is a hero….and remember her ordeal last year when she was censored by the senate…..with a motion put up by two ALP skanks aka Penny Wong and that never ending disgrace Kristina Keneally……and the motion was supported by the LNP in an act of absolute political cowardice. I will never, ever forgive the LNP for that.

    As for Brittany Higgins, none of us know what happened that night and the matter is now with the police but I feel for her in the sense that she has been used as a political pawn to attack the government. In six months time people will say on hearing her name…..”Brittany who?” And all those people swarming around her to make political capital will move on and quickly forget about her.

  15. Jonesy says:

    Poor handling of this. The girl and her attacker should have been sacked for breaching security. gathered belongings and escorted out of the building. The matter should have been referred to the Federal Police to deal with the alleged rape and that should have been the end of it! Why the hell do political parties hire such young “advisers” It is the sole reason why we have such substandard sausage machine variety politicians.

    Now, even if there is pure altruism, the story is tainted by the company kept and inference of the timed release for political gain.

  16. John A says:

    Cassie of Sydney says: February 25, 2021, at 4:39 pm

    In six months time people will say on hearing her name…..”Brittany who?” And all those people swarming around her to make political capital will move on and quickly forget about her.

    Just like Christine Blatant-Fraud in the USA, isn’t it?

  17. Old School Conservative says:

    I find the arguments put forward by the barking mad blithering ignoramus very convincing.

  18. Lysander says:

    I do find it odd that we are on day 7+ of reporting on this Higgins issue at the top of the hour.. the last “hot” issue to get 7 days non-relenting coverage was the GST debate? Or perhaps it was the 1967 referendum?

  19. OSC:

    I find the arguments put forward by the barking mad blithering ignoramus very convincing.

    The barking mad blithering ignoramus certainly makes a damn fine point.

  20. tgs says:

    Gyro Cadiz says:
    February 25, 2021 at 4:18 pm

    Gottliebsen is a blithering ignoramus without the slightest idea what he is talking about when it comes to Defence, defence equipment, or strategy.

    100%.

    His parroting of the absolute fucking morons over at Air Power Australia is beyond a joke for a national broadsheet.

  21. hzhousewife says:

    Having just listened to JP interview Ayaan Hirsi Ali, this is pertinent . Ali’s new book, Prey, sounds fascinating. Recommend the interviews, along with the Gad Saad one which I found less engaging but still worth sticking with. So happy JP is back.

  22. min says:

    I see Larissa greenie was getting intro Dutton for saying it is a he said she said scenario . Well I can tell you that was said to a 16 yrold rape victim , a client who went ahead and charged the man . I went with her to committal hearing where DPP lawyer said they would not go ahead because it was He said she said and only a waste of money . Unfortunately it is true but what stopped her going to police when evidence may have been still there . According to another complainant ,he would not have been wearing a condom .
    Waiting for him to come up with the Clinton excuse
    I did not have sexual relations with that woman however she was smart enough to have evidence on her clothing .

  23. Ed Case says:

    Why would Dutton say anything, he isn’t involved in the CoverUp, as far as we know?
    Then the He said/She said malarkey, has Dutton or anyone else asked this bloke his side of the story?

  24. Anonandon says:

    They should announce the merger of the ABC and SBS immediately, and continue to freeze the budget.

    It baffles me that they don’t. It’s not as though the coverage could be any less favorable. If the situation was reversed Labor wouldn’t even think twice.

  25. Scott Osmond says:

    I had no idea that Britany’s current boyfriend was a member of the press gallery who seems to hate the conservative side of the house. Puts a new spin on things me thinks. It isn’t what the press says or how it says it it’s what it leaves out that changes the whole story.

  26. Ed Case says:

    Did Brittany have an “old” boyfriend?
    Looks like a platonic relationship, the guy presents as extremely fruity.
    Spin is he’s anti Liberal Party, but where’s the evidence for that, he worked for the Liberals as a political staffer in PMO?
    He’s managing the situation like he’s running out the clock until some new scandal comes along.
    The reality is that this is our biggest scandal in many years, it’s already claimed the Defence Minister.

  27. Siltstone says:

    The attack on the outrageously expensive dud French subs must be getting some of the dud subs supporters ruffled. I think it was Top Ender who wrote an article years ago “Sink our French subs or the enemy will”. In all the to and fro on the subject, why is it we never hear from the dud subs suporters as to why these vessels will be so wonderful and such good value for taxpayers money? I’d like to hear why this is not the single most wasteful and stupid purchasing decision in a generation.

  28. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “CoverUp”

    What “cover up” Gargoyle Ed? Two years ago she didn’t want to pursue it…she’s since changed her mind

    This whole Canberra “wape” stuff is clearly making you excited….best you take a cold shower.

  29. Ed Case says:

    Brittany can change her mind another 14 times, it’s still a free country.
    Reynolds has handled the issue in a way that suggests her only concern is the privacy and reputation of her male staffer.
    So much for women in Parliament making it a kinder, gentler place.
    Now she’s gone, left a mess, and, if David Rowe is any authority, future Linda Reynolds sightings will be as rare as that of the Tasmanian Tiger.
    Meanwhile, poor old dopey but faithful Scotty flunky Craig Kelly has deep sixed his credibility to provide the Cabinet with a Distraction Squirrel, to no avail.

  30. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Reynolds has handled the issue in a way that suggests her only concern is the privacy and reputation of her male staffer.”

    You don’t know that troll. In fact, I reckon the opposite….now go back to your skin suit collection in your basement.

  31. Ed Case says:

    Reynolds first became aware a Crime had been committed in her office on April 1 2019.
    What was her response?
    Well, it wasn’t to call in the cops, it was to summon her CoS, who ordered the entire office steam cleaned that morning.
    Now, it may be that she is a Germophobe like Trump [cough], but to the consumer in the street [Karen], that’s bullshit and it’s a wide ranging CoverUp

  32. jupes says:

    Note the timing – coinciding with the arrival of the Covid vaccine, which should have been a high point for the Coalition which is decimating the Opposition in the polls.

    “Should” being the operative word.

    Even without the Brittany hit piece, the SFLs stuffed it up. A clown show.

  33. H B Bear says:

    Groogs still on the case! Joe Burns disappearing in the rear view mirror.

  34. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Groogs still on the case! “

    Oh yes. He’s gets excited by such stuff.

  35. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Now, it may be that she is a Germophobe like Trump [cough], but to the consumer in the street [Karen], that’s bullshit and it’s a wide ranging CoverUp”

    LOL.

  36. Mique says:

    I’d like to hear why this is not the single most wasteful and stupid purchasing decision in a generation.

    The issue is not whether the proposed sub is or is not the single most wasteful and stupid purchasing decision in a generation. Given the prevailing circumstances, that remains to be seen, but Pyne’s role in the selection process more or less gives it a very dubious start in life – akin to that of the bastard child of a bastard father (if one is allowed to create such an analogy in these parlous times). The issue is whether the likes of Gottliebsen or any other Australian journalist or media organisation is qualified to comment and his dribbling drivel suggests he’s not to anyone with any ADF experience.

    The unfortunate but irrefutable fact is that a nuclear submarine option was at all relevant times politically unavailable, and that almost certainly remains the position for the immediate future. There is an extant Australian law with wide bipartisan support that forbids a nuclear industry. This may change when the Greenies begin to freeze in the dark for want of cheap, reliable electricity. There are already mumblings about building nuclear power stations. But that option was neither available nor foreseeable when the conventional version of the nuclear French sub was selected. While I’m certainly not a submarine expert myself, I understand that there were few, if any, suitable conventional alternatives available, and that this aspect would have been thoroughly examined by the sub experts. That Pyne insisted that they be built in SA is the proximate cause of most if not all waste and stupidity.

  37. publius says:

    Mique- the f35 is a damn dud. always was. and was well known to be. now even the air force is admitting it.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/02/23/the-us-air-force-just-admitted-the-f-35-stealth-fighter-has-failed/

  38. Des Deskperson says:

    ‘Poor handling of this. The girl and her attacker should have been sacked for breaching security. ‘

    There is no evidence of a security breach, at least in terms of the standards of Parliament House.

    The power relations are different there compared to security arrangements for an APS line agency. It is difficult to imagine an MP who had forgotten his/her pass being denied access to their office and presumably the same courtesy is extended to their advisers.

    My understanding is that the subsequent investigation was more about how Ms Higgins came to be in a state of undress in the office. Since both she and her alleged assailant worked in the office, they could have stolen ‘secrets’ at any time.

    The real issue for Parliamentary security was the extent to which the couple appeared inebriated and the OH&S implications of letting the drunks into the building.

  39. Mique says:

    Haven’t heard that opinion expressed by any RAAF fighter pilots, and I know quite a few. The Israeli Defence Force has just ordered another couple of squadrons of them, and they know as much about fighter planes as any Air Force. They would not be buying a dud. The Royal Navy seems to be happy with their F35Bs.

    There are reports that USAF has found that, at their rate of usage, the F35A engine has shown signs of wear earlier than expected. This is an eminently fixable problem, and may never be a problem at our much lower rates of usage. Anyone who didn’t come down in the last shower will remember how all the media “experts” damned the F111 as a dud because it had early wing carry-through box problems. It delayed delivery to the RAAF by a couple of years until they fixed it, but the consensus of RAAF F111 aircrew is that the end product was among the best aircraft we’ve ever bought, and certainly the best bomber. Hence the rearguard action by some ex-RAAF personnel to have its life extended rather than replaced.

    Media reports about the adequacy of military equipment are almost universally ill-informed at best, and mostly just downright ignorant.

  40. Boambee John says:

    ‘ed Case

    if David Rowe is any authority,

    That’s your mistake, right there!

  41. jupes says:

    The unfortunate but irrefutable fact is that a nuclear submarine option was at all relevant times politically unavailable, and that almost certainly remains the position for the immediate future.

    Problem is we won’t be getting the French sub in the “immediate future” either. It took the Poms 6 years from starting a nuclear industry to commissioning a nuke sub in the 1950s. There is no reason that we couldn’t do something similiar, other than political will.

  42. Siltstone says:

    While I’m certainly not a submarine expert myself, I understand that there were few, if any, suitable conventional alternatives available, and that this aspect would have been thoroughly examined by the sub experts.

    This is what I suspected, even the dud subs supporters cannot explain why these vessels will be so wonderful and such good value for taxpayers money, compared to the Japanese and German bids. Trust the “experts”? Well how come the “experts” didn’t predict the predictable with an unproven design (massive cost overruns, massive delays, massive uncertainty the dud sub can do even a half decent job)?

  43. C.L. says:

    Uh-oh. I think this will all come to a sudden stop now…

    It’s being reported that sexual assault complaints to the police have now come from the public service.

  44. Boambee John says:

    Under Abbott, the Japanese option seemed to be favoured.

    Once Turdball took over, anything associated with Abbott became haram. Then they had to rush for a solution, and were taken to the cleaners by the Frogs.

    Potential greatness indeed !

  45. Amortiser says:

    So Ed Case reckons that Reynolds steam cleaned her office to cave up a crime and protect her male staffer.

    So what do we know about what happened.

    Ms Higgins organised an unofficial drinks function for some staffers and probably some ‘stakeholders’.

    During the course of this function Ms Higgins became so drunk she face planted on the floor.

    She was then offered a lift home by her alleged assailant not going with the person she went with to the function.

    They end up at Parliament House ostensibly for her companion to pick up something. They are admitted by security through the members entrance even though that have no security passes. They proceed to the Office of the Defence Minister where the alleged attack occurred. The alleged assailant leaves the building leaving Ms Higgins in a state of partial undress in the minister’s office.

    During the course of the evening security checks on her on a number of occasions.

    When the staff return to the office the shit hits the fan. The alleged assailant gets fired however Ms Higgins holds her position after making allegations against the male staffer.

    She was afforded support if she wished to lodge a complaint with police which she declined to pursue. According to Ed Case the minister had the office steam cleaned to remove evidence of a crime.

    What Ed Case alleges doesn’t make much sense. It is undisputed that Ms Higgins was offered support to pursue a complaint. So what is the likely explanation for the cleanup.
    Ms Higgins has admitted that she was so drunk she couldn’t stand up; that she couldn’t remember a lot of the details; that she had passed out in the ministers office. The most likely explanation for the cleanup was because she had vomited over the floor and furniture and made a stinking mess. In order to resume business a steam cleanup was necessary.

    But Ed Case reckons it was done to conceal evidence of a crime.

  46. publius says:

    mique/ from people i follow, it seems there’s a very differing opinion. these are not media morons or air-force pilots brainwashed into toeing the company line.

    and we bought the french subs…does that mean others can refer to that purchase as evidence they’re good? appeals to authority aren’t as convincing especially when the cat is def out of the bag in the f35.

  47. Mique says:

    Jupes, the Poms had a population way bigger than ours, a world class shipbuilding industry, decades of experience building state of the art submarines, and a thriving nuclear industry, none of which do we have. Politically, we are torn between a gutless conservative party with, at best, a tenuous hold on government and a left-wing rabble controlled by the Union movement with a mischief-making leftist media prepared to do everything in its power to destroy any government likely to spend any money on defence.

    Siltstone, as I understand it, the German and Japanese subs on offer lacked the range and endurance needed by Australia. Look at a map of their respective operational environments and you’ll understand what our submarine experts would almost certainly have been explaining to the government of the day. If you can’t understand the simple concepts of range and endurance, nothing anyone can say will help ou.

  48. publius says:

    “ the German and Japanese subs on offer lacked the range and endurance needed by Australia”….that’s why it’s better to order a nuclear sub with a diesel motor which even the manufacturer has no idea how to build it whether it will work at all.
    yep. our guys are brilliant. amazing thinking dude.
    this is why military procurement is fuck1ng awful and the f35 has cost just $2trillion so far and counting…

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Anyone who didn’t come down in the last shower will remember how all the media “experts” damned the F111 as a dud because it had early wing carry-through box problems.

    My understanding, and I’m happy to be corrected, is that part of the problem with the “Wing box” problems was that Ronnie R.A.A.F. was demanding a life of two to three times of that which the wing box was designed for.

  50. Mique says:

    Publius, the cat is definitely not out of the bag on the F35, and fighter pilots who have to fly them are not the sort of people who stand rigidly to attention, saluting smartly and allow themselves to be brainwashed. Are the people you follow fighter pilots, involved in Defence or have any other credible claim to relevant expertise?

    The problem is that we needed new state of the art fighters. The F/18As and Bs were a brilliant aircraft, but they had been in service since the late 80s – nearly 35 years, which is an unusually long life-of-type for a fighter plane. The Mirages lasted about 25 years. The F/A18 was at least a generation off the state of the art.

    So, what to buy? What was on offer? The only other American type was the F22 which the Americans refused to sell to us, and they have shut down the production of that aircraft. I saw an article somewhere just the other day that said that the cost of just retooling to restart F22 production would be in the order of tens of billions of dollars, so they won’t be available. Others, including Gottliebsen, have argued for European types. We inter-operate with the United States, which has similar needs (range and endurance, among other things), so it makes no sense to buy British or European stuff. We are never going to buy Russian or Chinese types.

    So whether the F35 turns out to be a dud, and that’s a long way from being known yet, we’re stuck with it. So it’s no good as a dog-fighter as some of its critics claim. It’s not meant to be. It’s designed and equipped to kill from afar. It’s a brand new type, and all new types have teething problems, eg the USAF’s unexpected engine wear problems.

    Whatever, let’s wait and see because there were no viable alternatives.

  51. Mique says:

    Publius, re your last, you’ll get no argument from me about the shambles that is Defence purchasing. But the people responsible for many if not most of the problems are civilians.

    The nuclear option was never possible for reasons explained. The German and Japanese options were unsuitable. The choice of the French sub was ridiculous, but where were the other available big enough conventionals with sufficient range and endurance? Pyne stuffed it up.

  52. jupes says:

    Politically, we are torn between a gutless conservative party with, at best, a tenuous hold on government and a left-wing rabble controlled by the Union movement with a mischief-making leftist media prepared to do everything in its power to destroy any government likely to spend any money on defence.

    Like I said. The only thing holding us back is political will.

    Nuclear technology is now over 70 years old. Australia already has a small scale nuclear plant at Lucas Heights, so we are not starting completely from scratch. We are not starting from scratch in the sub building game either having built six since 1990.

    Just stop the scare campaign and get on with it.

  53. Mique says:

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha, that may well have been so, but the Americans lost an inordinate number in Vietnam operations in many cases due to failure of the WCTB, so it was an obvious weakness. Have you ever seen a fully-loaded F111? Awesome, up to 24 bombs hanging of the wings and it’s not surprising that the WCTB as originally designed failed.

  54. publius says:

    mique-if you mean, just hypothetically of course not that it would could ever happen, civs who were 4 star generals till last week, then defence contractor ceo, then secretary of defence forces… yep. then i agree with you.
    military intelligence, military procurement etc are a byword for stupidity for a reason.

  55. Mique says:

    Jupes, of course it’s a lack of political will. But you can’t just whistle it up out of thin air.

    This lack of political will is a feature not a bug in the Australian national culture. Go back into the political debates about defence preparedness between the World Wars. It was the ALP and the lumpen left that has torpedoed any proposals to develop a nuclear industry. Read Hal Colebatch’s book “Australia’s Secret War – How Unionists Sabotaged Our Troops in World War II”. They did it again in the Vietnam War and they’ll do it again in any future conflict they are opposed to.

  56. publius says:

    “ So, what to buy? What was on offer”…plenty if you’ve not already decided to buy the f35.
    for one thing…australia has never needed a 5gen plane. there has never been a convincing case made for it. just an assumption that hats what we needed. 4.5G would have worked perfectly for us.
    anyways…as you say. time will tell. and money will flow out of tax payer coffers like no tomorrow with little to show for it.

  57. Mique says:

    Publius, yes indeed. There used to be a rule against that sort of thing, but I was thinking more about the civilians, and they are all civilians, that control the purse strings.

    Just for a laugh, look up the history of the Nomad aircraft from gestation to interment. A mate of mine was the RAAF’s test pilot involved in its acceptance trials. He was scathing about it, but it went ahead as the pet project of a very senior civilian in Defence at the time. Neither the Air Force nor the Army wanted it, but were effectively forced to take it. Its design flaws killed people. Reminds me of Gough Whitlam’s government forcing the Services to take the Leyland P76 when it couldn’t hack it in the civilian marketplace. Politicians are such harlots.

  58. Mique says:

    Publius, so we don’t need a 5G fighter? Really?

    Consider the Wirraway.

  59. publius says:

    mique i’m not convinced abt the quality of our defence force ‘experts’ like you are.
    after all it’s not the civi’s who decided that a single plane which could replace both the warthog and the raptor was even possible to build.
    that’s military genius all by itself.

  60. publius says:

    “ Publius, so we don’t need a 5G fighter?”
    like i said…has never been explained, pls do share if you have seen it, why we needed it and what’s missing that a 4.5G plane couldn’t deliver.
    or why 1 plane needs to do it all.
    that’s a lot of single product delivery risk and it’s proving to be as bad as the nay-sayers said all along.

  61. Mique says:

    Sorry, Publius, I’m convinced that, with rare exceptions, our Defence Force “experts” are of significantly greater quality in their specialities than any of the current pundits who delight in second guessing them. For example, Gottliebsen is hopeless. On Defence issues, Jim Molan is much more credible than the owner of this site who criticised Molan’s recent article in the Australian.

    I haven’t the faintest idea what you are talking about with your “single product” argument. One factor that brought down Ansett was the number of different aircraft types they were operating. I can’t understand why you can’t figure out for yourself, ie why it needs explanation, that manning, basing and maintaining a single aircraft type capable of multiple roles is a darn sight more economical than having different aircraft types for each different role. Just managing the procurement, storage and delivery of spare parts for multiple aircraft types is an enormous logistical problem.

    The RAAF (and most air forces) have used their aircraft in multiple roles since World War I. The Mirage was a fighter bomber in the RAAF. Ditto the Navy’s A4s.

    Go to bed! 👹

  62. Bad Samaritan says:

    The problem is that Oz got it’s Donald Trump two decades before the yanks got their’s and there’s been no-one with real balls in Oz politics since then….

    All this malarkey reminds me of how sorely missed Johnny H really is…..

    ” Benny Murdani, Indonesian defense minister in the 1980s, told his Australian counterpart Kim Beazley that when others became upset with Australia during Indonesian cabinet meetings, Murdani told them “Do you realise the Australians have a bomber that can put a bomb through that window on to the table here in front of us?”[81]

    Australian F-111s were armed with bombs at RAAF Base Tindal ready to attack Indonesian forces and command systems during the tension in 1999 during the establishment of East Timor’s independence and the deployment of the Australian-led International Force for East Timor.’

    And then there was the dismantling of the Abo industry. And then the routing of the unions in the Patrick konfrontasi. And then the SAS turning the country-shoppers back to Norway. and and and….

    Would little Johnny have gone for the Gallic subs d’ya reckon?

  63. eli says:

    Anyway Bettina is a good read. And i am dazzled by the pencil whippery going on here but objective evidence is needed to properly learn how we are actually going with the Attack Class . I recall there was an ANAO report about a year ago. Why not review that against progress? The F35 ( tar baby) is well covered elsewhere in official USDOD audit sources.
    The alleged rape case is with the police where it should be. Perhaps we will hear what happened. Perhaps we won’t. It seems objectivity was an early victim here too. PS I enjoy Robert G’s commentary. He has a good act and shines his torch in the corners. Not too much wrong with that surely.

  64. Boambee John says:

    The Mirage was a fighter bomber in the RAAF.

    Once heard RAAFie comment that it had sufficient range to bomb the end of the runway.

  65. tgs says:

    after all it’s not the civi’s who decided that a single plane which could replace both the warthog and the raptor was even possible to build.

    What are you talking about the F-35 was never slated to replace the F-22 you nonce.

    It’s a replacement for the F-16, F/A-18, A-10 and AV-8B (now already retired).

    The program to replace the F-22 is thr Next Generation Air Dominance program, specifically the Penetrating Counter Air sub-component for which a prototype undertook its first flight last year.

    Maybe you should attain a basic level of knowledge before slinging unfounded criticism around.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    The Mirage was a fighter bomber in the RAAF.

    The roles of the Mirage were ground attack and interceptor.

  67. Eyrie says:

    Once heard RAAFie comment that it had sufficient range to bomb the end of the runway.

    As a P-3 driver mate used to say: “takeoff, get to 100nm DME, declare an emergency due low fuel state and return to base.”

  68. brian boru says:

    Can somebody please give me the Mandarin translation for: “yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir”?

    I have a feeling we will all need to be able to say that.

  69. Mique says:

    Yes, Mirage range was a problem, but it wasn’t quite useless. It could carry a couple of bombs from Penang to the bombing range near Singapore and return. I know because I saw them do it.

    As ZK2A says the Mirage’s roles were ground attack and interceptor. In ground attack, it was operating as a fighter bomber.

    Many P3 drivers were frustrated wannabe knuckleheads.

  70. publius says:

    tgs…even a basic search of the interwebs will prove you’re a muppet on the scale of swan and rudd combined…
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a35229793/f-35-history-archive/

  71. tgs says:

    Quoting popular mechanics on anything defense related proves you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about, Chief.

    Here’s what a little, unknown outfit colloquially known as the USAF has to say on the matter:

    The F-35 is designed to replace aging fighter inventories including U.S. Air Force F-16s and A-10s, U.S. Navy F/A-18s, U.S. Marine Corps AV-8B Harriers and F/A-18s, and U.K. Harrier GR.7s and Sea Harriers.

  72. publius says:

    like any sane person believes what the defence guys are saying now about anything related to the f35.

    the popmech guys have been keeping track of the f35 story from the start. doesn’t matter if they’re not air force experts. they can keep records of what’s said and claimed. and that story from early 2000’s was a replacement for the warthog, raptor etc.

    but you keep believing the warmongering bloodlust crazy military industrial vampires. good for you.

  73. tgs says:

    Cool, thanks for confirming you’re pants-on-head retarded and not worth engaging further.

    Keep on truckin’.

  74. Mique says:

    Go, tgs, you rollicking good thing, you.

  75. Gyro Cadiz says:

    This is what I suspected, even the dud subs supporters cannot explain why these vessels will be so wonderful and such good value for taxpayers money, compared to the Japanese and German bids.

    Been explained many times. People do not listen – because they do not want to. The German and Japanese designs are excellent subs. They have 20% to 30% of the range we need, 35-45% of the endurance, and no ability whatsoever to carry the large passive sonar system we need, operating as we do in very large areas of very deep open ocean well clear of the congested, shallow coastal waters their subs are designed for.

    Trust the “experts”? Well how come the “experts” didn’t predict the predictable with an unproven design (massive cost overruns, massive delays, massive uncertainty the dud sub can do even a half decent job)?

    Nice to see that you are an expert in complex systems management as well as being a submarine expert and brilliant geo-strategist.

    Not. (I assume you must be advising Elon Musk on his space program, you being such a smart dude and all)

    The argument is actually over Australian content and technology transfer, not any of the things you noted. Much of the cost is to buy the technology.

    Now, no-one will get any argument from me that we’d be slightly better off buying barracuda class SSN off the shelf…. maybe.
    That will be around $50 billion, thanks, and no technology transfer costs yet (32 Bn sail away + 20Bn integrated logistics support… hang on, forgot the support infrastructure cost, guessing 10-20 billion there). Oh look, it’s more expensive than the Attacks now.

    But we cannot – and you can blame the greenscum, woketards, anti-nuclear loons and other such bedwetting idiots for that. So instead we have to get that same nuclear submarine capability in a diesel-electric sub. Nobody else in the world has that requirement – nobody. These are the biggest, most complex, most powerful and most dangerous conventional subs ever built by a country mile. Just like Collins, which in exercises with the RN, MN and USN routinely ambush and ‘destroy’ their nuclear submarines, because they have the same sensor and combat systems as the nuclear boats but are both smaller and much quieter.

    So that costs.

    it also makes matters very, very dicey for the PLA-N. Their best subs can certainly get here (here is into the Indian Ocean and Coral Sea) – but they sound like the massed brass bands of Victorian Britain by comparison to a Collins. And the Attacks will be much quieter than Collins.

    And we have no other choice now, anyway (the reason the frogs are trying to eff us over), cancellation means a gap of NO effective subs for 7-11 years. Or nuclear (my preference BTW), but we cannot do that. And no, a Soryu is not an effective sub for us. Great subs for their designed purpose as short to medium range coastal and shallow sea subs in noisy congested waters with short detection ranges. We operate in quiet, very deep open ocean expanses with excellent sound propagation. By that I mean that twenty years ago we were working the second and third convergence zones (look it up), they are probably on fourth and fifth now. Soryu’s etc operate mostly in direct-path acoustic conditions. No comparison at all.

    Question, if you had a requirement to cross the Tanami desert in the middle of summer, would you buy a Prius for the job? Or a much more expensive fully kitted out for deep desert conditions 4WD?

    because what you are saying is that you’d buy the Prius!

  76. Mique says:

    Gyro Cadiz, bravo.

  77. Tator says:

    Publius,
    I would take that article in Forbes with a grain of salt. Anyone who cannot get the age of a plane correct within 15 years deserves absolute derision. The F16 has only been in service for 42 years for example and the author claims it was 60 years old.
    As for the F35, the dogfighting capability of earlier models was off, but upgraded software in the FBW system allows the plane to be much more maneuverable in later production models. Considering the F35 has a kill ratio of 16 to 1 in Red Flag exercises against F15 and F16s. I wouldn’t be too concerned with earlier reporting on how bad it is as if it is taking down F15’s which in combat have never been defeated, how good it is really?

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