Can LDP replace the Liberal Party?

Politically, Australia is facing the complete rout of the liberal concept since March 2020. Leaders from both major parties have brushed off human rights as even being relevant to Australia, such has been the betrayal of liberty.

On 10 September 2020 Dan Andrews defended the curfew in Melbourne (something which never formed part of any approved pandemic plan or public health policy and is in clear breach of all the laws of Australia and its international covenants), arguing that it is “not about human rights. It is about human life”.

It is not just the semi-socialist Labor Party that has no interest in human rights. The Liberal Party today does not represent liberty in its remotest form.

After I resigned in September 2020 to protest the Police State of Victoria, some people from the Liberal Party or closely associated with it connected with me. Unfortunately, it soon became clear that Scott Morrison was backing Dan Andrews’s totalitarian regime which meant that Michael O’Brien was not being given any oxygen in which to operate.

On 23 March 2020 Morrison said: “If Australians choose not to self-isolate, if Australians choose to not observe the medical advice of keeping the distance that we’ve recommended then, we’d obviously be forced to take very draconian measures in shutting down”. Morrison loves draconian measures – and has not stopped implementing them since March 2020. How can the poor O’Brien possibly fight Andrews? Morrison is effectively a Labor PM.

More broadly, most, if not all Liberal Party leaders today are committed to border closures and quarantines. They actively support the eradication strategy which is prohibited by section 5 of the Biosecurity Act. This eradication strategy underpins lockdowns, so they effectively support everything that Dan Andrews has done. And they support mandatory vaccines.

Together, the Labor and Liberal parties have shredded not just the Biosecurity Act but a large number of laws – and the Constitution itself. I have detailed these in my complaint to the International Criminal Court.

The most astonishing has been the gullibility (or sheer incompetence) of Australia’s courts that have allowed the precautionary principle, based on fictitious and bogus “models”, to be used to justify everything from inter-state borders to curfews. Everything goes in Australia, it seems. Anything that an incompetent bureaucrat or Minister cooks up in his febrile head can now be legitimately converted into an “order”. The courts are not concerned in any way with the total wipe-out of basic human rights. The government has to merely utter the mantra: “precautionary principle”, and the courts happily rubber stamp everything it does.

It is possible that politicians and judges are genuinely frightened out of their wits – but panic is a recipe for poor decision making. If they were panicked (or are) then they are unfit to hold their positions.

In the absence of competent leadership, the people of Australia remain frightened by this virus that is barely as bad as the Hong Kong flu and nowhere remotely in the league of the Spanish flu (a claim that political leaders, chief health officers and the media keep drilling into our heads). Even a year 6 student can work out that this virus is just a bit worse than a bad flu.

More worryingly, Australians don’t seem to know that they are actively following Xi Jinping’s lockdowns and quarantines. Never before Jinping were such measures conceived, let alone implemented, for a respiratory virus of this sort. All guidelines prior to April 2020 unanimously recommended an entirely different set of measures for such a virus – recommendations which only Sweden has followed this time around.

Anyway, the main point is that mainstream political liberalism is dead in Australia. In a genuine Liberal Party dissenting voices that ask challenging questions are encouraged to speak but today we have petty, scheming, self-seeking, poll-driven politicians without the slightest capacity to lead Australia, forcing out voices like Craig Kelly.

The space in the centre (or just to the right of it) is now vacant. We need a new party to replace the Liberal Party. This new party should also represent the conservative voice and take a politically cautious approach in the tradition of Edmund Burke.

While looking at the options on offer, I’ve identified the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) as a potential candidate but there is a perception that LDP is inflexible and somewhat unconcerned about the average punter’s opinions.

Can the LDP move out of its corner of irrelevance and shift towards the centre?

Desperate times require desperate actions. The Labor and Liberal parties swear by focus groups. Maybe the LDP should start testing its policies in focus groups and tone down policy options that are not politically viable.

In my view it is simply not good enough for the LDP to aspire to the sporadic upper house seat. The party has an excellent core agenda and a strong grounding in good economics. It attracts high quality talent. If LDP can move a little left towards the centre it can become the party we need.

If LDP will commit to reshape itself, I might join it and also encourage hundreds if not thousands of young leaders – who are part of the #WEARECOMING movement – to join the transformed party.

Else it would hopefully at least play an active role in the coalition (Third Front) that I’m trying to organise. – Anyone interested in this concept may please write to me at [email protected] – BTW, for those interested, my talk at the recent Freedom Rally in Melbourne.

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112 Responses to Can LDP replace the Liberal Party?

  1. JR says:

    The errors of Russia have spread, yes?

    St. Padre Pio said in 1966: “the communists will take power over-night, by surprise … without a shot being fired.”

    Good ol’ China Biden, eh. Are you with me.
    (Thank you very much, Sir Lesley.)

  2. Dot says:

    Can the LDP move out of its corner of irrelevance and shift towards the centre?

    Don’t.

    Don’t do it.

    The Overton Window has shifted so far to the left in the last ten years, just don’t do it!

    “Politically viable” is Ted Baillieu and Dan Andrews.

    Yuck.

  3. Joanna Smythe says:

    Ask Cory Bernardi whether it’s worth all the hassle of going against the Liberal/Green machine.

  4. Dot says:

    Cory Bernardi was the Judas Iscariot of Australian conservatives.

    I will never, ever, ever say anything positive about him after he wound the party up instead of let other people manage it.

  5. C.L. says:

    I’m with you, Sanjeev.

    The Liberal Party today does not represent liberty in its remotest form.

    Morrison has adopted the worst of Howardism and Abbottism – quite a feat. He believes in nothing.

    The trouble with a new ‘libertarian’ party, however, is that it would be indistinguishable from the Greens and the Labor left on all of the ‘social issues’ – on the pretext of ‘freedom.’ I’ve seen this movie before.

  6. C.L. says:

    Santa wanted to start a new party in the 90s. By then, he had no further interest in the Liberals – to the extent that he was ever interested in them.

    He had a whole suite of crazy ideas, did Bob. For example, that banks were ripping people off, that we were shipping jobs abroad to the detriment of our wealth and security and that communists were still around, having shifted their focus on industrial fronts to schools, universities, the media and the broad war on the family.

    Crazy stuff, hey?

  7. Daryl says:

    Ah yes, brave Cory Bernadi. Rallied the troops and then ran for the hills at the first sign of defeat. He was irrelevant as a career politician, and even more irrelevant as a talking head. Wish I’d never got behind him. He is not now and never will be a leader.
    I tend to agree with Dot regarding the Overton window. The LDP doesn’t need to move left when they are already left of centre. Stand for Truth!

  8. Arky says:

    Parties are owned by the establishment machine: the wealthy, their media whores and their fashionably woke children.
    Nothing can change until this elite decides it has to.
    The best we can hope for is some event to scare them into a better direction.
    All we can do in the mean time is to keep making the case for the things we value.

  9. MatrixTransform says:

    (or just to the right of it)

    apparently … there be monsters

  10. Arky says:

    They are returning the middle and working classes to serfdom, and will continue to do so while it is a profitable and low risk proposition.

  11. NoFixedAddress says:

    Sanjeev

    Upon his death in February 1998 the then Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, described Santamaria as “one of the most profoundly influential identities in post-Australian politics

  12. Lloyd says:

    In a word, no.

  13. BrettW says:

    Lost me with the title. However do admire your work.

  14. Rabbi Putin says:

    I don’t really think the LDP needs to go any further left. If you’re gonna oppose the nanny-state then you have to make room for a number of behaviour choices that you personally find unpalatable but which other people enjoy. That’s how you get the broad liberal coalition. But i’d be interested to know what parts of the LDP platform that Sanjeev finds too unpalatable to vote for?

  15. Rabbi Putin says:

    I don’t really think the LDP needs to go any further left. If you’re gonna oppose the nanny-state then you have to make room for a number of behaviour choices that you personally find unpalatable but which other people enjoy. That’s how you get the broad liberal coalition. But i’d be interested to know what parts of the LDP platform that Sanjeev finds too unpalatable to vote for?

  16. Herodotus says:

    If only the current crop of politicians would use their lust for power for Good.
    Hat tip Maxwell Smart.

  17. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “He believes in nothing.”

    Correct. What we have is nothing more than a Labor lite/mint green government.

  18. Entropy says:

    Trying to form a new, effective party in a two party system with compulsory preferential voting will ultimately fail.

    Why not do to the libs what Photios et al have done to destroy the liberal party and rebuild it in their image? No reason it can’t be done within again.

  19. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Why not do to the libs what Photios et al have done to destroy the liberal party and rebuild it in their image? No reason it can’t be done within again.”

    Agree but it is a long march. These things take years.

    As for Bernardi, I actually think that he threw it in far too soon. He should have persisted…..parties can take years to achieve any success. I suspect he expected success too quickly…although to be fair, many prospective AC voters returned to the Liberals in May 2019….in the misguided belief that Morrison and the Liberals were conservative.

  20. Rabbi Putin says:

    It’s not a two-party system, at least not yet. Despite what Turnbull and Shorten tried to do, the stronger micros are still standing and there waiting for new members and funding. A lot of the people inside of them are more reasonably-minded than most of the schlubs inside the major parties and the greens. I’ve certainly not heard any sexual abuse allegations coming from micro-parties.

    The US has a true two-party system, we can see what kind of stew they are in.

  21. Rohan says:

    How can the poor O’Brien possibly fight Andrews? Morrison is effectively a Labor PM.

    Have you seen O’Brien’s social media posts? Have you seen how pathetic they are? Despite the fact that he has been handed a certifiable munitions plant worth of ammunition, he hasn’t once come close to hitting the mark, let alone get on target.

    Sure, he was a good treasurer, but he and his lolly wrists couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag. He might be a nice, decent guy, but he has no mongrel. And right now we need a vicious pit bull leading the opposition. Belting the living crap out of LockDan and his ChiCom loving minions.

    But he won’t, so he’s got zero chance in 2022.

  22. Texas Jack says:

    Morrison is doing a kind of reverse Bill Clinton triangulation strategy that would make Dick Morris proud. He’s able to get away with it because the modern party is now so chock-full of lefties and people who’ve never read or understood the Beliefs statement branch meetings are a complete waste of time. Conservative members that still bother are pretty-much caught, either stuck in silence, or baling out by letting memberships lapse. On Sydney’s North Shore preselection candidates all essentially vying to see who can outdo Zali Steggall in the mindless stupidity stakes, and they’ve brought in whole new legions of young liberals who struggle to think past the ends of their smart-phones.

    What to do? Finding a way to challenge and break the preferential system might be a way to start? Is it even constitutional?

  23. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Sure, he was a good treasurer, but he and his lolly wrists couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag. He might be a nice, decent guy, but he has no mongrel. And right now we need a vicious pit bull leading the opposition. Belting the living crap out of LockDan and his ChiCom loving minions.

    But he won’t, so he’s got zero chance in 2022.”

    Apart from the Andrews’ many debacles of the last year….I would have thought that the Vic Liberals had a golden opportunity with the Conversion Bill….but yet again, they just adopted being a Labor lite party. But I tell who’s worse than O’Brien…and that’s Tim Smith…..he’s a fraud.

  24. Chris M says:

    Hahah isn’t that the druggy party with the grouchy pot-head vet that got in by mistake? That’s so funny, thank you mate. Good start to the day.

  25. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Test.

  26. Chris M says:

    Well this website is knackered still.

  27. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Why dont we form an Australian National Populist Party ,? the name will get right up the n[oses of the woke liegeral party ,invite Trump to sponsor it ?

  28. Dot says:

    Chris M says:
    February 26, 2021 at 8:17 am
    Hahah isn’t that the druggy party with the grouchy pot-head vet that got in by mistake?

    Actually he beat Liberal Party scum bag Arthur Sinodinos to a Senate seat.

    If only he stopped Sinodinos being elected at all.

    “Druggy party….” Insh’Allah, tell us about the time you shut down the local pub my brother…

  29. Dot says:

    Fred Lenin.

    Maybe the newly independent former Liberal Craig Kelly can lead populists?

  30. HGS says:

    Just what policy of the LDP is irrelevant?
    And the LDP should never, ever, move towards the center, whatever that means.
    Have good principles and never compromise.
    But yes, the Liberal Party is dead and smelling.

  31. miltonf says:

    As for Bernardi, I actually think that he threw it in far too soon. He should have persisted…..parties can take years to achieve any success. I suspect he expected success too quickly…although to be fair, many prospective AC voters returned to the Liberals in May 2019….in the misguided belief that Morrison and the Liberals were conservative.

    Bernardi seemed to say ‘it’s MY party and if I want it closed down it will be closed down’. I doubt his sincerity.

  32. miltonf says:

    still buggered

  33. miltonf says:

    Speaking of the Vicco libs, one senator that I could not stand was Fifield. What happened to him? Turns out he was parachuted in an UN sinecure. I could never vote lieboral again. To think I used to donate money to them.

  34. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Trying to form a new, effective party in a two party system with compulsory preferential voting will ultimately fail.

    Our political system (it doesn’t deserve to be dignified with the term democracy) is no longer fit for purpose and has effectively disenfranchised over 50% of the electorate. Two obvious frauds on voters include compulsory preferential voting and the absurdity of a taxmanian senate vote being worth over eight times that of one cast in NSW.

    Nominally, we have a “conservative” federal government and in NSW, the same. People cast their votes for the coalition in NSW and federally in 2019 on the assumption they were voting for parties that would not enact progressive policies.

    The exact opposite has occurred, with the NSW government being a particularly egregious pace setter in that respect. The gliberal party has subsequently neared peak stupid with the appointment to the WA leadership of a vacuous narcissistic noodle armed soy boy hipster knobhead who tried (and spectacularly failed) to outflank labore and the greenfilth from the left. As a result, the gliberals are now facing the prospect of the national agrarian socialists being the opposition party in WA (with a mighty four seats) while the former are reduced to minor party irrelevance (i.e. two seats if they’re lucky).

    Unless our current political system is dynamited and rebuilt from scratch we can look forward to the ongoing joy of our four major political parties being made up of three extreme collectivist parties, rounded out by a fourth that espouses national agrarian socialism.

    This is an utterly dire state of affairs and not one that will rectified by voting for the likes of the LDP, PHON or Riccardo’s new party.

    As for solutions, apart from the long overdue implementation of HOP Time, I’m all out of them.

  35. miltonf says:

    CL, I am a great admirer of Santamaria. He really got it in so many ways. What a guy.

  36. Milton Keynes says:

    People who really believe in liberal democracy don’t write complaints to the International Criminal Court.

  37. stevem says:

    Trying to form a new, effective party in a two party system with compulsory preferential voting will ultimately fail.

    I’m not so sure about that. There was a time that Labour and Liberal fought for the swinging voter with the odd policy of the other side hoping to swing enough votes to win. Then The Greens showed up way over there to the left. They’ve sucked the whole tone of politics wildly their way, giving us the mess we’re in today. There’s no reason another party couldn’t do the same and swing things back.
    When even Pilger and Woolfe recognise that things have gone too far there is hope that a sensible force on the right could swing things back with the 8-10% of the vote the Greens get.

  38. Entropy says:

    The main thing is to ensure Craig Kelly isn’t overwhelmed by the GetUp crowd.

  39. Entropy says:

    When even Pilger and Woolfe recognise that things have gone too far there is hope that a sensible force on the right could swing things back with the 8-10% of the vote the Greens get.

    Take over the Nats then?

  40. Mother Lode says:

    It was probably inevitable that even a party that was dedicated to liberal ideas at the outset begin to take on the nature of government – as they seek to infuse their ideas into government, government begins to infuse into them.

    Government becomes the way they think rather than ideas.

    The party attracts people who hanker for politics. The solidarity that served them well at the start turns into tribalism as their gaze turns inward because this is the way of politics. With the party as the greater part of their identity then factions, patronage and favours become the primary task.

    We have seen that people who are not fully devoted to politics but still follow ideals are are churned in the belly of the party before its internal processes excrete the idealist out the far end.

    Once a party becomes established it is unable to repudiate its own history. Now that the Libs have embraced lockdowns and other overreactions to the ‘pandemic’ they are bound to them. To say no next time when their opponents say yes will leave them exposed trying to argue the unarguable that this time it is the wrong idea.

    They will repeat their errors for no reason better than they are theirs.

    Government is the natural element for the Greens because they really wish to control everything. In their fondest moments they likely imagine an Australia like a child’s crayon drawing where everything is bright coloured, there are houses and puppy dogs and and people standing on brilliant green grass under vivid blue sky, which excludes all the factories, the workers, the roads, the mines, and the risk that makes it all possible. They can be done away with in life just like in the picture.

    Labor is not much better, moving from old school socialist which at least was justified by a supposed economic wellbeing of its clients to the the Greens’ more austere version that has jettisoned the working classes and just wants power for its own sake.

    Parties dedicated to liberal values must probably be disposed of with extreme prejudice and replaced with one not chained to the establishment at regular intervals.

  41. Dot says:

    Spurgeon supports sortition.

  42. miltonf says:

    Cultural marxism is much much more dangerous than agrarian socialism.

  43. miltonf says:

    Still a bit of sense from the Nats now and then.

  44. Tintarella di Luna says:

    As for Bernardi, I actually think that he threw it in far too soon. He should have persisted…..parties can take years to achieve any success. I suspect he expected success too quickly…although to be fair, many prospective AC voters returned to the Liberals in May 2019….in the misguided belief that Morrison and the Liberals were conservative.

    Bernardi is craven and treacherous what he did to the tens of thousands of people who supported him in so many ways, particularly financially is one for the ages. Never again Cowardly Cory, oxygen thief.

  45. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Then The Greens showed up way over there to the left. They’ve sucked the whole tone of politics wildly their way, giving us the mess we’re in today.

    With thanks to Graeme Richardson

  46. miltonf says:

    Agree 100% Tintarella. Was Bernardi even for real? Maybe a a sort of astroturf job.

  47. Tintarella di Luna says:

    I will never, ever, ever say anything positive about him after he wound the party up instead of let other people manage it.

    right there with you Dot, a narcissistic creep.

  48. Woolfe says:

    Yea, take over the Nats.

    Deputy PM Arky

  49. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Spurgeon supports sortition.

    Reluctantly. All allegedly democratic political systems in western countries have been bankrupted by collectivist idiocy and the vile totalitarian imbeciles attracted to exercising power via them.

    The ongoing schlockdowns are the definitive example of the complete and utter failure of democratic political systems across the west.

    Governments don’t impose the totalitarian practices of the CCP in western nations and retain any legitimacy.

  50. max says:

    we give Citizenship and Voting rights to communist, socialist atheist and than we get surprised when they end up in high position in government.

  51. max says:

    “you reap what you sow” both literally and figuratively.

  52. John Brumble says:

    What’s the difference? One pretends to defend social institutes who actively adopting (or already having) leftist economic policies; the other pretends to defend economic institutions while actively adopting (or already having) leftist social policies.

  53. Forester says:

    What Spurgeon Monkfish III said at 9:27 am

    I think this is putting the cart before the horse.

    Unless an order of magnitude more people become active, financial members of political parties there will be no change. There are 80k members on the books of the trade union party and 100k in the Labor-Lite, if it was 800k and 1,000k they would be distinctly different parties. The current party organisations are deliberately designed to stop this from happening.

    The LDP is what it is, it should be a ‘moderate classical liberal’ party and I think the new management are moving it in that direction. I started voting for it because I reckoned they were a better bet than Rudd to stop Howard’s ‘reckless spending’.

    Meanwhile, our yoof are determined to have their go at getting socialism to work. They are convinced ‘it will be different this time’, like every other time. They will get what they deserve good and hard.

    This will continue up until the CCP hammer Taiwan and POTUS Harris does something about it, or not.

    Disclaimer:
    I’m a long term member of the LDP

  54. Lysander says:

    The electorate are too stupid and you get the government you deserve.

  55. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    forester – I consider the existence of political parties to be profoundly objectionable. They are the cause of all the ills afflicting this country in particular and are simply not worth engaging with.

    Someone made the observation here recently that the both fundamental role of government and the power of political parties in government to roll back our fundamental rights and liberties had be to massively reigned in.

    Governments in this country have been unrelentingly enacting “policies” that are antithetical to the interests of this country and its citizenry for almost five decades.

    This madness must be stopped.

    The only way to do this (after enacting HOP Time) is to dismantle our existing political system and start again.

  56. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    to be …

    (or not to be)

  57. miltonf says:

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  58. Howard Hill says:

    We don’t need a new left wing, nanny state party, which is what it will ultimately become in time under the current political system.

    We need a new political system that puts power back in the hands of the people and prevents it ever being taken away again.

    Australia will be fucked for ever under the current system.

  59. Howard Hill says:

    This blog is now screwed. What happened?

  60. miltonf says:

    The electorate are too stupid and you get the government you deserve.

    Rubbish

  61. Lysander says:

    Milton, case in point:

    -Last Federal Election saw over 700,000 informal votes in the HoR alone (idiots);
    -Labor* and Greens got over 6,000,000 first preferences alone (not including 2nd prefs);
    -LDP got 66,000.

    Yeah, the electorate is so “smart” that 5,000,000 people gave a first preference to a party with Bill Shorten as leader.

    Turn it up.

  62. miltonf says:

    Last Federal Election saw over 700,000 informal votes in the HoR alone (idiots)

    I voted informal in the last NSW election in the LA for the good reason that there was no one worth voting for. You are an elitist idiot and part of the problem.

  63. Lysander says:

    Thanks Milton
    I am an elitist and proud of it.

    5 million first pref votes for Tits says it all buddy. Who the fuck would vote for Liebor’s worst, corrupt, [email protected], opposition leader, probably ever? I’m thinking…. idiots?

    And while Cats such as myself like to moan about the state of the SFLs and that they should be more conservative and combative, dry and less wet – it’s self-evident that the electors, who elect these idiots, are idiots.

    My very well researched and studied vote for, say, the Christian Democrats will just end up with the SFLs because of idiots.

  64. miltonf says:

    Don’t buddy me. Tits is an elitist too. Most people didn’t vote for the little grub=> most people saw thru him.

  65. miltonf says:

    I am an elitist and proud of it.

    I said elitist idiot.

  66. Lysander says:

    Sorry buddy.

    Do you need reminding, out of a voter pool of ~14M, 5M voted for Tits!? 1.5M on top of that voted Green.

    I guess you also think Daniel Andrews somehow miraculously became Premier by smashing the SFLs in Victoria? Nothing to do with voters? Or Palachook winning a second term despite very clear evidence of a totally corrupt Cabinet? West Aussies look to give McClownin 50 seats out of 59… Or the fact that Turnbull, Rudd, Gillard, Rudd have been PMs when none of them, in my elite opinion, ever deserved to be there? I could go on…

    But I guess none of this had anything to do with voters, who they elected or who the elected elected…

  67. Professor Fred Len says:

    The Australian National Populist Party needs a Theoretician to suggest policy , abolishing politicsasa csreer , reducing size of governments , revising migration policies , defunding socialist organisations , stopping rape of national resources for foreign profit , destroying political correctess by defunding . Redorming political donnation (bribes ),
    And thats just for starters,spend the firsy six months repealing the leftist laws of the unigovernments .

  68. miltonf says:

    Don’t blame the electorate for your unhappiness and you’re not my buddy. As in all western countries, the emergence of an elitist, incompetent political class is the problem plus the marxist take over of arts, meja and ejucashun.

  69. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    lysander – do you think that compulsory preferential voting produces sound electoral results?

    I certainly don’t.

  70. miltonf says:

    SM- that’s why it’s often better to vote informal.

  71. Struth says:

    We are going down because typically, there are many Aussies who like to whinge about how dumb their fellow countrymen are, and in so doing, excuse their own apathy.

    I believe apathy is our number one problem, which actually is very deep, and then shows itself in knocking anyone having a go, finding fault with them again, to justify the apathy on the part of the critic..

    We just need independents to step up with a set agenda.
    Outlaw lockdowns and border closures, and get out there and meet the voters.
    Might do it myself, yet.
    Cardimona set a great precedent, but his state election was held while the public were still hysterical with fear from the propaganda.
    These days anyone standing up with an “outlaw lockdowns” type message just might be of some concern to the swamp, this time.

  72. Rabbi Putin says:

    I think I was abit too soft in my post higher up this thread.

    Sanjeev, you’ve been in this country not quite two decades and you’ve been out of the Andrews regime for less than one year. A lot of us have been suffering way longer than that. You move further right.

  73. Tom Atkinson says:

    Thanks, Sanjeev. You are a courageous man. Have given you my email address.

  74. Tel says:

    No.

    Most people are not interested in liberty, especially in Australia.

  75. Dot says:

    Ostracism would have ended the lockdowns quick smart.

    Sutton, Chant, Beryl, Scotty, Dan, ALL booted out for 10 years.

  76. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Milt – thanks to compulsory preferential voting, I usually vote informal at federal elections.

    Being compelled to vote for a political candidate you do not want to vote for is the antithesis of democracy.

  77. The Sheriff says:

    Rohan says:
    February 26, 2021 at 7:17 am
    How can the poor O’Brien possibly fight Andrews? Morrison is effectively a Labor PM.

    Have you seen O’Brien’s social media posts? Have you seen how pathetic they are? Despite the fact that he has been handed a certifiable munitions plant worth of ammunition, he hasn’t once come close to hitting the mark, let alone get on target.

    Sure, he was a good treasurer, but he and his lolly wrists couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag. He might be a nice, decent guy, but he has no mongrel. And right now we need a vicious pit bull leading the opposition. Belting the living crap out of LockDan and his ChiCom loving minions.

    But he won’t, so he’s got zero chance in 2022.

    O’Brien is a wuss and his colleagues Peter Walsh and Steph Ryan from the useless Vic Nats like posing for photos at the Mardi Gras and school climate change protests. Utter filth the lot of them.

  78. Lysander says:

    Yes I agree Spurgeon. Forced preferencing certainly creates a perverse outcome! OPV is best I think but no good when idiots put 1st against Liebor or SFLs!!

    Don’t blame the electorate for your unhappiness and you’re not my buddy.

    Listen mate, yes I am generally unhappy about the state of the State (otherwise I’m a fairly happy guy). So, you’re saying, I shouldn’t blame the electorate for…?

    -Nanny state, police state;
    -Ejucashun that takes up 1/3 of State budgets and produces fuck all;
    -The State (which produces nothing) as the country’s largest employer;
    -Inhibitive tax regime;
    -Rawlsian punitive economic policies;
    -Fat welfare State;
    -Lockdowns;
    -Erosion of free speech;
    -Hand outs and tax dollars to cultural marxists and organisations;
    -100,000 abortions annually, Forced euthanasia, infanticide, marriage “equality,” genderism;
    -Climatemongering;
    -Useless wars;
    -Chinese concessions for large pastoral and mining lands;
    -UN-unrepresentation;
    -Rainbow nation;
    -TheirABC..

    But it just only the elected who did this, right?

    ……And who elected them?

    IDIOTS!!!

    (and, they will elect them….. again)

  79. Struth says:

    No.

    Most people are not interested in liberty, especially in Australia.

    They are a lot more interested than they used to be…..

  80. Lysander says:

    I think you’re right Struth. In the (hopeful) aftermath of lockdowns, a lot of people have become “a lot more interested than they used to be.” True, I think? Perhaps they’d shift to LDP?

    But I don’t think we can put a number on what constitutes “a lot” and that “a lot” certainly still isn’t enough to unseat Dan (why!!???), will grow McClownin’s numbers by at least five more seats and has those people in chains around the world thanking their gaoler for more chains..

    It’s sick, and I don’t think it is going to end soon (and I am, by far, no Anne or tin foil hatter).

  81. Dot says:

    Quite frankly I am shocked how many people still listen to the MSM.

    That’s our problem.

  82. Lysander says:

    Quite frankly I am shocked how many people still listen to the MSM.

    100%.

  83. Struth says:

    I think parties are the problem.

    This election, like no other election before, people standing up as independents with an anti lock down message will have more of a chance than independents have ever had. Some may just be able to pull off the impossible.
    Think of Cardimona up in Cairns this time, compared to last time.
    A loud and proud no more lockdowns, open borders stance and he’d be in with a real chance. Especially up there, where they are really hurting, and the election will be when most will have had the jab and be getting frustrated because it didn’t free them.

    These independents can be loosely aligned with, affiliated with, organisations with recognisable values, and state they are a member of a movement, which may have a web page etc, but there is no need for parties right now. I believe there never has been a better opportunity for those that come out loudly against ANY MORE lock downs……..now the virtue signallers have even had enough, I think they’d be in with a big chance and it would throw the swamp. They’d be shitting themselves at that, and those independents would be harrassed and threatened for sure, and would need to be tough, but both parties are on the nose and the back benchers have all gone into hiding. If ever there was a time to do it, this next federal election is the time, and a party starting up is not viable and the LDP are a bunch of old left wing hippies who read abook on freedom once, but are confused with how freedom is achieved,… they think it is the natural state of man. Sanjeev makes a blue thinking they are in anyway a viable option.

  84. Lysander says:

    Well I certainly hope so Struth…

    It’s had the complete opposite impact in WA (as things usually do)… Stockholm Syndrome!

  85. jupes says:

    Just what policy of the LDP is irrelevant?

    Open borders for a start.

    Who would elect a party with a worse immigration policy than the current traitors?

  86. miltonf says:

    Being compelled to vote for a political candidate you do not want to vote for is the antithesis of democracy.

    spot on

  87. miltonf says:

    Quite frankly I am shocked how many people still listen to the MSM.

    That’s our problem.

    Agree. It’s so 20th century.

  88. Rabbi Putin says:

    Who would elect a party with a worse immigration policy than the current traitors?

    Judes have you ever even gone on to the website and read their immigration policy?
    Essentially any migrant must pay their own way entirely and wait about 10 years before they can access citizenship/welfare gravy train.

    Like to see how many migrants will pass that test…

  89. Struth says:

    Like to see how many migrants will pass that test…

    Millions of them.

    And their war lord who paid for them will own every day of their lives while they are here. and the bureaucrats of ours who get paid off here to wave them through, Like the Premier of NSW boyfriend.

    Look at the money flowing from Gates, the Kochs, Soros, and our own taxes to attack the west.

  90. jupes says:

    Like to see how many migrants will pass that test…

    A couple of million Chicoms for a start.

    The problem is they will accept anyone from anywhere and any culture. What could possibly go wrong?

  91. Rabbi Putin says:

    I should have added that the party has distinguished migrants from compatible countries as being more desirable, although in the era of out-of-control multiculti, I will agree that it’s definitely in need of an update especially in the wake of the China-flu, but parties aren’t static entities. As far as Australian parties go, it’s a relatively sound ship. And from what I gather, a lot of the personnel inside are definitely no friends of the Chinese.

    Definitely beats grumbling on the sidelines with petulant donkey votes

  92. Struth says:

    Their reputation with the electorate is on the nose, because DL is a fruit loop.
    If the Country was talking about major issues, he’d make statements about vaping.

  93. Dot says:

    Lots of people still smoke. It isn’t a fringe issue.

  94. Tel says:

    Their reputation with the electorate is on the nose, because DL is a fruit loop.

    He lost his temper during an episode of Sea Patrol … could happen to anyone.

    The man is bordering on sainthood to have controlled himself as well as he did under the circumstance. I know I couldn’t have sat through the same. Then again, I don’t pretend to be a politician, but for that matter David never did either.

  95. Rabbi Putin says:

    For goodness sakes people, present a viable alternative then please. I haven’t had a worthwhile choice in the lower house in any election for years, my independent candidates are always pseudo-greenie rubbish and I have no choice but to go lib. And the upper house isn’t much better but the LDP and 2-3 other microparties at least present some pedigree on the issues I care about.

    I swear to god if you guys are so clever why don’t you start a party and stand for election. Or if you prefer, try and organise a military coup. Useless keyboard warriors.

    Vaping is important. It should be legal. If you don’t fight for the small stuff you’ll never get the big freedoms back.

  96. Robber Baron says:

    Craig Kelly is stupid and will disappear from politics at the next election.

    He should have challenged Morrison for the leadership and there might have been other contenders. Leadership needs to be tested…and often.

    Australia is already cooked and heading to Argentinian levels of debt, fascism and poverty.

    There are only two choices. You either hurry up and get rich or you will end up a peasant. There is no middle ground.

  97. Forester says:

    Spurgeon Monkfish III at 12:03 pm

    I’m very afraid you may be right.

    All I will be physically capable of doing is telling people “I told you so.”

    I’m staggered how many people’s world view mirrors that of their ABC.

  98. Louis Litt says:

    Tel – most people in Australia are not interested in liberty.
    I agree with you. Try to explain to a woman the 140 k consecutive votes in Michigan is mathematically impossible.
    Try to explain to male engineer that magw in mathematical impossible,
    Try to explain cardinal Pell was a fix – people think I am a nutcase.

  99. BorisG says:

    This virus is A LOT worse than a bad flu. In the US, excess deaths are over 20 times the death toll of an average flu epidemic. And counting. In Russia upside of Moscow most morgues are full and the situation is dire. I don’t know any Russian family that was not affected by the virus.

    Having said that, I agree with the main premise that rights should not be taken away so easily. I support lockdowns as a precautionary measure to arrest exponential growth (preventing disasters like Sweden or Russia). I do not support lockdowns to prevent inconvenience…

    I will vote LDP.

  100. BorisG says:

    And O’Brians of every state don’t need PM’s approval to pursue a just course.

  101. BorisG says:

    On Purim I tend to talk to family and friends around the globe. Everyone thinks australia is an envy of the world. Especially Perth where we follow near normal lives.

    I think these premiers do it because it is popular. Whether you like it or not.

    But yes courts fail us.

  102. BorisG

    I’m shocked to see that an LDP member is promoting lockdowns.

    And unable to do basic arithmetic.

    I have written 100s of things about the magnitude of this pandemic but you might want to start with this: https://twitter.com/sabhlok/status/1365130845376319489?s=19

  103. Dot says:

    There really isn’t a viable alternative to the LDP for most people who read this blog.

    If you want a “perfect’ party, it will have one member.

  104. Dot says:

    Sure Boris it is popular but it is dumb.

    We didn’t lock down for swine flu, bird flu, SARS or MERS.

    A five day lock down, like the last one Andrews implemented is incredibly dumb. It has zero medical value at all.

  105. 2dogs says:

    Can the LDP move out of its corner of irrelevance and shift towards the centre?

    They need to be careful about how they move Left.

    For industrial relations, I would suggest:
    – support the establishment of workers’ cooperatives as an available form of incorporation;
    – have such workers’ cooperatives governed by a separate industrial relations system.

    This won’t scare the punters like the LDP’s existing IR policies. However, it does mean that the union controlled FWA structures get some competition.

  106. Entropy says:

    Essentially any migrant must pay their own way entirely and wait about 10 years before they can access citizenship/welfare gravy train.

    Like to see how many migrants will pass that test…

    This is how that policy would [not] work in real life:
    People smugglers’ business model would change to one that loans the funds to gain entry. The arrangements of course being quite unsavoury in a variety of ways for the individual/ family arriving in Australia, and the family left behind.
    On arrival, and for the next ten years, there will be endless sad stories promoted on the ABC, Ray Martin will be trotted out to talk to a tear streaked cute little urchin, and well organised multicultural associations (taxpayer funded of course) will tirelessly campaign to not only have the ten year rule overturned, but also a system of grants and subsidised loans to pay off the immigration debt. I would give them five years and they would succeed.

    It’s the Australian Way.

  107. BorisG says:

    Dot I agree.

  108. Struth says:

    Useless keyboard warriors.

    You know what happens when you assume?

    LDP haven’t a hope and above I already made a statement that independents, not parties are the go. A registered political party will never succeed in this nation where a handful of independents with the right political principles, have a chance, which we’ve never had, because the Liberal party in the past were somewhat to the right, and took their vote.
    You know they have a chance or they wouldn’t be putting so much effort into trying to bring down Kelly.
    Trying to put right wing people into a party is like herding cats at the best of times, and always fails.
    An independent who is part of a “movement” with well stated right wing, democratic, sovereign nation objectives, and then left to fight for local issues is a far better approach.
    Especially since that independent can take left wing votes. Let’s face it, the left wing voter has always hated the top end of town due to envy. The right hate the top end of town when they get that way through corrupt means.
    That’s a lot of votes against the top end of town, who are now the ordinary people’s enemy, whether left or right.
    That’s a powerful truth.
    I can’t really believe that after all the experience we’ve had about how the big two parties destroy small upstart parties, and how the swamp impedes them as well, besides the bloody power grabs and bullshit associated with them, you could be thick enough to not realise the need to step around this well trodden, and always failed , path.

  109. Dot says:

    If people smugglers would stop people smuggling, will make loans for legitimate purposes and people will come through legitimate channels…?

    Then the would have policy have worked.

  110. Nato says:

    LDP is 95% good and 5% absolute deal breakers. What the actual do you think LDP MPs could do to stop Anything you sook about like a teenager grounded by her nanny?

    Start listing regulations to repeal. List them publicly.

    Forget legislation. As a minor party, you’re not going to change schooling to a voucher system. Their bill is your bargaining to0l.

    “We would vote yes, but… [insert bs regulation here]”

    Publish the list of regulations that you have gotten off the books. Publish the bill you voted for to get rid of it.

    Get the stars out of your eyes about all the GOOD THINGS your excellent core agenda and a strong grounding in good economics can do with the power to crush your rivals after just a Little move to the left.

  111. Mark Armstrong says:

    I think. That you should go with Ricardo Bosie of Australia One. He has great policies, for nation building and freedom. We need to mobilize behind him and build the party. You can look at his early meetings as the party was forming. He is on your of regional nsw this month I think. Worth a look or otherwise include this Party on a coalition of smaller parties. We really only have these comming election to make a difference. With the undercurrent of people awake and waking up I would recon the Idear is to encourage. These in a concerted effort to become Politicial and join parties and help out in what ever needs doing.

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