Double standards

In the latest story of sexual misconduct related to Parliament, Labor’s Penny Wong says that she met a woman (now deceased) who claims that a Coalition minister raped her in 1988 before he was elected to Parliament. Wong said

The complainant made an allegation that she had been raped many years earlier by a person who is now a senior member of the federal government. I said that making a report to the appropriate authorities was the right thing to do. I facilitated her referral to rape support services and confirmed she was being supported in reporting the matter to NSW Police.

The death of the woman who made this allegation is a tragedy, and devastating for everyone who knew and loved her.

The woman, and her family and friends, have been in my thoughts throughout.

I issue this statement in the interests of transparency, and in the hope that appropriate action is taken to examine her allegation, the circumstances of her death and what can and should be done to help keep people safe and save lives in the future.

While Wong may be genuinely concerned about the welfare of the deceased, one cannot help but see this as a political stunt since Wong never revealed that she met the woman who accused Bill Shorten of rape, also in the 1980s. In 2014 the Victorian Police stated

Victoria Police can confirm that a report of an alleged historical sexual assault has been investigated by police. Investigating police sought advice from the Office of Public Prosecutions, which advised there was no reasonable prospect of conviction. All parties have been notified that Victoria Police will not be proceeding with criminal charges.

But this is what that woman, who is still alive and has not retracted the claim, said:

In 1985 I joined the ALP. In 86 at the age of 16 I … became a delegate for state and national conferences. In 86 I went to a Young Labor camp down near Geelong … I was alone … at about 4am there was a knock at my door. It was him at the door. He [Bill Shorten] pushed me into a bathroom, up against a towel rail, pulled down my pants and raped me.

So, Penny Wong, don’t you think you should meet with this woman and discuss her allegations against Bill Shorten? After all, while there is no possibility of a successful prosecution of Bill Shorten due to the alleged rape being committed long ago and the lack of physical evidence, the same applies to the Coalition Minister.

Or is Wong one of those females who will go after Coalition men who commit such crimes, but will turn a blind eye to any Labor men doing the same?

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110 Responses to Double standards

  1. Turtle says:

    Ask your mate Malcolm, Lucy.

  2. Rockdoctor says:

    Got no time or respect for Wong, she’s as bad as Faulkner was. Hyperpartisan shriller. There’s absolutely no way she will go anywhere near Kathy.

  3. LBLoveday says:

    “Or is Wong one of those MANY females who will go after Coalition men who commit such crimes, but will turn a blind eye to any Labor men doing the same?”

  4. C.L. says:

    Let’s not forget that the ABC named and ran several featured ‘reports’ on George Pell being a rapist – and encouraged Louise Milligan to write a book on the subject. But when Shorten was being investigated the network placed a ban on naming him – even though he was the alternative prime minister.

    As I wrote here earlier today, these people don’t care about rape. They’re sociopaths.

    They see Morrison as a Trumpian party-pooper who must be removed from office by any means necessary.

  5. C.L. says:

    Let’s not forget that the ABC named and ran several featured ‘reports’ on George Pell being a r=pist – and encouraged Louise Milligan to write a book on the subject. But when Shorten was being investigated the network placed a ban on naming him – even though he was the alternative prime minister.

    As I wrote here earlier today, these people don’t care about rape. They’re sociopaths.

    They see Morrison as a Trumpian party-pooper who must be removed from office by any means necessary.

  6. Wallace says:

    Read Michael Smith News for more info.
    Good down to earth investigative reporting.

  7. Scott Osmond says:

    It’s different when they do it. On another note I now understand why women of the left are always talking about sexual assault. Because it’s hidden and they have to conceal what happens for the good of the side they assume that the same applys for every other woman in every other party and industry. The predatory types know this and gravitate to where they will be protected. As a aside, one of the most dangerous persons for a female would have to be the male feminist.

  8. egg_ says:

    The Wongbot following in the high heels of Milligan?

    Colour me pink!

  9. C.L. says:

    We’ll say nothing about the arrogance and abusiveness of preventing newborns from having a father. Wong pongs of sanctimony like nobody else in the Parliament.

  10. Muddy says:

    We need a special word for those who wear a particular skin to lure their prey into close proximity before stunning and then devouring it. (Repeating the process with a different skin and different prey once they have fully digested the previous victim and their needs require satiating again).

    This pattern of behaviour is predatorial.

  11. Karabar says:

    If it weren’t for double standards, what would the ALP use for standards?

  12. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    In 1985 I joined the ALP. In 86 at the age of 16 I … became a delegate for state and national conferences. In 86 I went to a Young Labor camp down near Geelong … I was alone … at about 4am there was a knock at my door. It was him at the door. He [Bill Shorten] pushed me into a bathroom, up against a towel rail, pulled down my pants and rapedfucked me.

    now this story makes some sort of sense

  13. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Labor’s Penny Wong says that she met a woman (now deceased) who claims that a Coalition minister raped her in 1988 before he was elected to Parliament”

    Not surprised….the stench was clear last night when I first heard this news…it’s pure Alinsky. So Wong….one of the filthiest and most despicable creatures in parliament is up to her neck in this lurid allegation. If the Liberals don’t fight back then they don’t deserve to be in power. I think it is high time that the Liberals threw back some muck…and let’s start with the allegation against Shorten….either Labor and Wong believe all women or they don’t….and of course we already know they don’t because it only about the politics.

  14. Rockdoctor says:

    Cassie I agree and target Wong personally with that line of questioning. Gloves are well and truly off in an early election year and this is the tack that is obviously going to be used…

  15. Scott Osmond says:

    We are watching a fight between 2 factions.
    One is using knuckledusters, knives and any other means necessary to win.
    The other is using feather pillows and polite words and is worried about how the first side views them.
    The second side is wondering why they keep losing.

  16. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Turtle says:
    February 27, 2021 at 8:44 pm
    Ask your mate Malcolm, Lucy.”

    Oh yes…..Malturd is up to his neck in this as well.

  17. Muddy says:

    1. Seize the initiative. By always reacting to the first-move tactics of your opponent, you confine your options to the rules that have already been set by them, in their favour.
    2. Refer to 1.
    3. Refer to 1.

  18. rich says:

    It’s different when they do it.

    It’s not that. Shame or hypocrisy over being inconsistent doesn’t work on communists because the only principle they care about is power. They are willing to lie and cheat in service of that.
    Shame works on 5th column cuckservatives though who are happy to betray their fellow travelers to uphold a principle (losing honorably rather than winning at any cost). Hence the comment about feather pillows and nice words.

  19. Crossie says:

    Or is Wong one of those females who will go after Coalition men who commit such crimes, but will turn a blind eye to any Labor men doing the same?

    Wong a female? That would be news to a lot of people.

  20. Crossie says:

    If the Liberals don’t fight back then they don’t deserve to be in power. I think it is high time that the Liberals threw back some muck…and let’s start with the allegation against Shorten….either Labor and Wong believe all women or they don’t….

    I think ScoMo and his gutless wonders will choose to forfeit.

  21. Bad Samaritan says:

    OK. so the left always plays dirty, with the MSM supporting them to the hilt, and every Cat knows that the Cuckservatives haven’t got a clue how to fight back…

    Meanwhile the Cuckservatives have won every federal election bar one since 1993, and these super-observant Cats do not know why?

    The Oz electorate must be too stupid to see the fakery of the left; the fake sanctimony and concern, but yet still manage to vote for the LNP, eh what?

    Any stuck-up haters of the common people (most Cats?) care to posit a suggestion as to how this “cuckservatives are losers” gels with the the almost 30 years of winning by these same “dills”?

  22. Mitch M. says:

    Bad Samaritan says:
    February 28, 2021 at 5:29 am
    OK. so the left always plays dirty, with the MSM supporting them to the hilt, and every Cat knows that the Cuckservatives haven’t got a clue how to fight back…

    Meanwhile the Cuckservatives have won every federal election bar one since 1993, and these super-observant Cats do not know why?

    The Oz electorate must be too stupid to see the fakery of the left; the fake sanctimony and concern, but yet still manage to vote for the LNP, eh what?

    Any stuck-up haters of the common people (most Cats?) care to posit a suggestion as to how this “cuckservatives are losers” gels with the the almost 30 years of winning by these same “dills”?

    Excellent point.

  23. notafan says:

    I’m a common person.

  24. Ed Case says:

    Wong is aiding the coverup of the crimes against Brittany Higgins, so, if anything, she’s helping the Government.
    Watch The Project interview with Brittany, while she was semi conscious and partially undressed on the floor of Reynolds office, Parliamentary Police were conducting an Internal Review on how they should manage the matter.
    Spine chillingly creepy, yet Wong wants to use the megaphone to drone on about something that has no bearing on Government even if it’s true.
    The Shorten allegation is in the same category: So what, even if it is true, how does that affect what sort of P.M. he might have been?

  25. Ed Case says:

    ***The second side is wondering why they keep losing.***
    Starting in 1996, that second side has won 7 elections, drawn one and lost one.
    Part of that was not getting down in the gutter with the idiots who have only won one election in 25 years.

  26. Mother Lode says:

    Wong made the statement for the sake of transparency?

    If it was investigated and found to lack merit then she is clearing nothing.

    If it is currently being investigated then shouting it out does not advance the investigation and likely muddles things.

    If she considers the investigation is not being pursued adequately there are avenues by which she can take this up with relevant people and authorities.

    She loosed the claim to the public. What does this do? Well there is nothing useful the people can do. Oh, they can be outraged or restrained, but they have incomplete knowledge (only what that Wong chap said). But Wong doesn’t really care what the people think – she is a Labor senator.

    Ah, but the MSM. They can mobilise their presses and cameras to wage a campaign against the government – doing Labor’s dirty work. And the timing with Brittany Higgins case can hardly be incidental, but instead to lend a weight to the claim that has no merit – the one claim does not reinforce the other.

    The transparency of Wong’s statement is only to be found in its underhanded purpose.

  27. Mark M says:

    “Or is Wong one of those females who will go after …”

    So, she is Ms. Wong today, Mr Wong tomorrow.

    Got it.

  28. calli says:

    Anyone else seeing this whole imbroglio as achieving two ends? Sure, it embarrasses the Libs and the fallout will damage their chances at the next election.

    It also brings the Sherriff accusation front and centre, thus eliminating Shorten from any possibility of having a re-run. Who exactly will take the box seat in challenging the useless Albanese will make everything crystal clear.

  29. Dot says:

    I wouldn’t put it past Plibersek and Turnbull to be working on this crap together.

    I mean, dead accusers who won’t press charges off their statements & another accuser who scripts the whole thing and refuses herself to press charges a second time?

    I don’t think Albo has the brain to do this either. Plus his enemies in the ALP can knife him as well. Half a dim sum and all that.

  30. Perfidious Albino says:

    What role did Wong play in the deceased taking her own life?

    When exactly and how many times did they speak, is the Senator a trained counsellor? Does the Senator feel any guilt? Turnaround is fair play.

  31. Perfidious Albino says:

    I think you’re spot on Calli. Consistent with Plibbers random “I don’t respect ScoMo” comment recently as well. Even the Holgate stuff.

  32. Ed Case says:

    ***Anyone else seeing this whole imbroglio as achieving two ends? Sure, it embarrasses the Libs and the fallout will damage their chances at the next election.***
    It memoryholes the Brittany Higgins issue that still could bring the Government down, and Wong getting down in the gutter just makes Albo look weak and slimy.
    Albo had clear air for a couple days with the Higgins allegations, Brittany’s interview with Lisa Wilkinson was riveting, but he was either too weak or not allowed to pursue it.
    The dead woman allegation is a NothingBurger, it might get Labor voters hot and sweaty, but who else gives a fuck?

  33. Bad Samaritan says:

    Calli (7.43am). Your point only works if the electorate is as stupid as you and Labor think they are….

    My observation is that the average voter sees this BS as nonsense; Wong a freak; KK a skank, and the various aggrieved accusers neurotic losers.

    Sure the rusted on leftists will feign some outrage but who cares about them?

  34. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Dot says:
    February 28, 2021 at 7:51 am
    I wouldn’t put it past Plibersek and Turnbull to be working on this crap together.”

    Turdbull is definitely involved…….the diseased woman sent a letter to him in 2019.

  35. Albatross says:

    While Wong may be genuinely concerned about the welfare of the deceased

    Lol! Good one.

  36. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “My observation is that the average voter sees this BS as nonsense; Wong a freak; KK a skank, and the various aggrieved accusers neurotic losers.

    Sure the rusted on leftists will feign some outrage but who cares about them?”

    That’s what I think too however I think we’ve reached a rubicon where it’s time that the Liberals started to throw some muck back.

  37. Ed Case says:

    Why?
    They’ve won 7 of the last 9 Elections by not getting down in the gutter with Labor, why would they want to start now?

  38. Ed Case says:

    To put it more succinctly: Never go Full Retard.

  39. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Albatross says:
    February 28, 2021 at 8:25 am
    While Wong may be genuinely concerned about the welfare of the deceased

    Lol! Good one”

    Exactly…..Wong and co couldn’t give a shit about the woman…she was (and is, despite being dead) a useful political football for grubs like Wong.

  40. Dot says:

    You’d have to be pretty retarded to believe what Wong says.

    Or an indefatigable femme bot like Cathy King.

    Wong reckoned 2 metres of sea level rise due to AGW.

    Anyone following a forecast 200 years into the future is scary smart like Michael Burry or a gullible tard.

  41. Ed Case says:

    ***Or is Wong one of those females who will go after Coalition men who commit such crimes, but will turn a blind eye to any Labor men doing the same?***
    Highly likely, but that’s not the point.
    Labor would like nothing better than the Liberal Party joining them in their natural habitat of the Sewage Ponds.
    The closest they’ve ever been is when Tony Abbott blackwashed his colleagues in Parliament by stating that the Government would not be seeking to take political advantage of certain [Kathy Sheriff] allegations.
    At the time the Kathy Sheriff story was only being covered by Larry Pickering, a Labor ratbag, and Michael Smith, a guy with strong Labor ties.

  42. egg_ says:

    If the Liberals don’t fight back then they don’t deserve to be in power. I think it is high time that the Liberals threw back some muck…and let’s start with the allegation against Shorten….either Labor and Wong believe all women or they don’t….

    I think ScoMo and his gutless wonders will choose to forfeit.

    +1

    After Scumoron’s handling of ‘Rona and the Humchback, Labya know he’s p1ss weak.

  43. Dot says:

    Ed Case might have had his stopped watch moment today up above.

  44. egg_ says:

    Who exactly will take the box seat in challenging the useless Albanese will make everything crystal clear.

    Plibbers of the Labya pardee skewering p1ssweak Scumoron.

    Mx Wong-Gender leading the attack.

  45. Entropy says:

    Probably more about making sure the leadership ambitions of the SLF are dead.

  46. mina says:

    Michael Smith with strong Labor ties is a very misleading statement . I bet there would be some men who have partners , work mates , friends who do not follow the same political party as they do . I have followed Michael smith news from the time he exposed Craig Thompson , lost his job through Gillard, and of course Kathy Sheriff who he has supported and helped expose her rape.
    There is a saying about men , brains , and another bit of anatomy that is true for many men . I can name many in positions of power, influence who have blotted their copybook ,unfortunately when women start ask for the equality with men the same rules do not apply to them eg current poor behaviour of some women who put themselves in vulnerable positions.

  47. Shy Ted says:

    Ed Case says: February 28, 2021 at 8:36 am
    Why? They’ve won 7 of the last 9 Elections by not getting down in the gutter with Labor, why would they want to start now?

    And move inexorably left. LNP may have won but we’ve lost.

  48. Roger says:

    The Shorten allegation is in the same category: So what, even if it is true, how does that affect what sort of P.M. he might have been?

    A matter like this goes to character.

    It would also open up the accused to the possibility of blackmail, either for financial or political gains, or indeed both.

    You’ll note I’m speaking generally, as Shorten has denied the allegation.

  49. Forester says:

    Bad Samaritan at 5:29 am
    Conservatives (sic) won every election since 93″
    & Mitch M. at 5:35 am

    Conservatives in name only.

    It depends if you think Malcolm Turnbull’s opinion that the Liberals are doomed if they do not occupy what the voting public consider the ‘centre’. If the Liberal party can win more votes from disaffected Labor voters than lose from a dwindling conservative base. It’s a close run thing, who would have thought Barnaby Joyce saved us from a Shorten kleptocracy by only a couple of seats in 2016.

    I actually think it’s all over, the Democrat’s version of the US is complicit with the EU’s ‘Davos Reset’, they’ve already sold us out to the CCP.

  50. PB says:

    “Ed Case might have had his stopped watch moment today up above.”

    I think Ed deserves a bit more love than he gets, myself.

  51. Ed Case says:

    ***A matter like this goes to character.***
    Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that Bill Shorten is a bad character.
    So what?
    Who ever expected politicians to be saintly?
    It doesn’t go with the territory.
    What would you prefer, a rogue who did a reasonable job, let’s say Mal Turnbull or an ex Seminarian who was an absolute disaster.

  52. H B Bear says:

    I think Ed deserves a bit more love than he gets, myself.

    Will you see yourself out?

  53. mem says:

    Look at the big picture. This is all about making sexism a big issue for the Labour Party and leftist interest groups. They need to run with divisive issues and also to portray themselves on the side of the “moral” fight against white male supremacy. And possibly pave the way for another female leader. Unfortunately Billy Shorten has some baggage but they think the media has buried it sufficiently. The more this latest stuff runs in the media the happy they will be because it fits with the lefty talking point. There will be a whole strategy behind this to role out in advance of next election.

  54. Ed Case says:

    ***It would also open up the accused to the possibility of blackmail, either for financial or political gains, or indeed both.***
    That’s politics.
    Even if some bloke did break the law as a 20 year old and got away with it, that doesn’t mean he’ll be stupid enough to break it as a Cabinet Minister.

  55. Ed Case says:

    *** This is all about making sexism a big issue for the Labour Party and leftist interest groups. ***
    The voters will either buy it or reject it.
    The Brittany Higgins coverup wasn’t a great way to keep the Karen demographic in the Liberal tent though.

  56. Ed Case says:

    *** Unfortunately Billy Shorten has some baggage but they think the media has buried it sufficiently. ***
    Labor voters don’t care about Bill’s baggage, take it from me, they’re in complete denial,
    and swinging voters only care about the Economy as it relates to them.
    So, explain to me:
    What’s in it for the Liberal Party to bring to attention any baggage Bill might be carrying that dates from before his time in Politics?

  57. Mick Gold Coast QLD says:

    PB says at 10:22 am:

    ” “Ed Case might have had his stopped watch moment today up above.”

    I think Ed deserves a bit more love than he gets, myself.”

    As H B Bear offers at 10:50 am – you can Pearce off Jack, along with your lying, grubby, useless slug of a drongo mate Grigory, who makes it clear that he hates Catholics.

  58. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    The questionis is agay man fromOklahoma an Oklahomo ?

  59. PB says:

    H.B, which exit is the one you use when you don’t feel the love (which seems to happen a bit)?

  60. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    We’ll say nothing about the arrogance and abusiveness of preventing newborns from having a father.

    That one also gets to me, CL. All children have a right to a mother and a father wherever that is possible, and deliberately organising a social system to deny that right is something that pains me. However, that is a battle to have later as these children grow up and seek their biological origins.

    The issue now is Kathy Sheriff. I have always felt that she was only sixteen, have been in a similar situation myself at that age, which I fought off tooth and nail, and that something very predatory went on with regard to the person she accused. She seems to have been denied a hearing altogether. As Cassie says, in the current climate, and only if old claims are to be fought over, and given the passage of time I am not at all sure that they should, then Shorten’s accuser certainly should be in the picture and the Libs should raise that issue.

  61. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    lol, just remembered, a more correct description would be ‘fought off tooth and knee’.

  62. Muddy says:

    Bad Samaritan says:
    February 28, 2021 at 5:29 am

    … the the almost 30 years of winning by these same “dills”?

    Winning is feeling the bones of your enemies crunch beneath your feet.
    Enjoy the apathygasm (see the Catictionary).

  63. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    It also brings the Sherriff accusation front and centre, thus eliminating Shorten from any possibility of having a re-run. Who exactly will take the box seat in challenging the useless Albanese will make everything crystal clear.

    Very feasible, Calli. Chess pieces on the move then for Plibersek.

    I really do distrust that woman. Her maternal come-over-all-nice schtick hides a very determined and aggressive streak of leftist Marxism. That smile could slit throats.

  64. JC says:

    Oh great, as Lucius says, this is a good time for Penny Wrong & Pound Foolish to interview the sheila who has made accusations against Tit’s Shorten. While she’s focused on the Tits accusation, she should also interview those people who can offer corroboration to the story from the time. That is those she told and who maintain she made those claims at the time.

  65. Ed Case says:

    ***I am not at all sure that they should, then Shorten’s accuser certainly should be in the picture and the Libs should raise that issue.***

    Why should the Libs raise that issue?
    It’s muck, and they get justly accused of muckraking, plus what interest is it of the Libs which lying idiot gets to lead the Labor Party?

  66. shatterzzz says:

    Why should the Libs raise that issue?
    It’s muck, and they get justly accused of muckraking, plus what interest is it of the Libs which lying idiot gets to lead the Labor Party?

    Shirley, the Cathy Sheriff issue comes under the, currently vogue, ALL WOMEN MUST BE BELIEVED banner so if you pursue the Wong Chap/Tansy claim on from the Miss Higgins + allegations then ALL should be investigated .. equally ..!

  67. buckshot says:

    I wonder when the coroner’s report is due to be finalised that is investigating the death of the woman who alleged rape by a current minister. Both Turnbull and Wong have provided evidence to the coroner. There may be others, and it may provide an independent assessment of the mental health of the woman and factors that may have contributed to her taking her life.

    If I was Morrison I would wait for this report before taking any action. He could claim that independent investigations are already taking place, and to set up any additional inquiry could conflict with this.

  68. Rafiki says:

    I can see that the Libs should stay away from the Shorten matter. But they can’t let the allegation against the Cabinet guy fester on while the police in both NSW and SA investigate, a process that could take months.

    One option is for the target to make a strong denial and assert that he will not resign until he sees what both police inquires come up with. Of course Labor will ( as Albanese did this morning) attack Morrison, and this is perhaps where Shorten’s staying on might be invoked.

  69. JC says:

    I can see that the Libs should stay away from the Shorten matter.

    Oh really, like why? And please don’t repeat your frequent defamation shtick.

  70. Bruce says:

    Bring out yer Dead!

    I suppose if the dead can “vote”, they can “testify”.

    We indeed live in “interesting times”.

  71. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “I can see that the Libs should stay away from the Shorten matter.”

    Why? Sorry disagree…and if they don’t want to get down and dirty because most Liberals are spineless…all Morrison and the Liberals should do is stand in front of the cameras and remind everyone that Shorten didn’t step aside whilst a police investigation occurred in 2014 into his waaape allegation…he remained Labor leader for the whole time and the MSM should do what the Liberals and the MSM did in 2014…they didn’t use it as a political football.

  72. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Just ducking in before lunch to post this info I found re the Pied Currawong, because I was wondering how our twelve or more who visit are going to fare in the winter. Seems they will probably be OK. They live for up to 20 years. That was a surprise.

    In 1941, one writer to the Melbourne Advocate penned of the pied currawong:

    …Spring comes to light the gullies,
    And currawongs to feed –
    Stream-lined, querulous,
    Anxious-voiced with greed.

    Bird of shallow merit
    With catchpenny cry,
    your darkling flock inherits
    the Summer’s panoply…

    Not everyone, however, had such a jaded view of the currawong. A different perspective was offered in the Corowa Free Press in May 1944:

    It may not be generally known that the currawongs – those big black birds
    which visit at this time of year – are edible, and make a very tasty dish.
    Currawong soup, or roast currawong, or currawong pie are all favoured.
    At the present time roast currawong and mushrooms would be a highly
    appealing meal. There are no coupons required for currawongs either.

    OK, I really tried my hardest to find a love poem about currawongs, but not a single one was to be found. The currawong pie came the closest.

    It appears we really do have a complex relationship with these impressive birds. And it’s a complexity that is only increasing as ecosystem changes favour the currawong’s fortune over that of some other birds.

    In a severe lockdown Currawong pie might make a comeback. 🙂

  73. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    oops, wrong thread.

  74. Albatross says:

    These posts are pointless.

  75. C.L. says:

    True, sadly.

  76. Old Lefty says:

    Jeremy Hans, who is always worth reading even if you don’t agree with him and is prepared to stand up to groupthink, has offered a defence of Linda Reynolds. In not taking the matter to the police or up the line in cabinet, Reynolds was only doing what Higgins asked. (Higgins has subsequently turned on Reynolds and knifed her in the back, but that’s another story.)

    Gans argues that there is a point of principle at stake here and that the AFP commissioner is overreaching. Mandatory reporting applies only to a small range of named offences such as child abuse. What Kershaw is proposing (and Morrison seems to be endorsing) is a requirement to go to the police in all other cases (e.g. fraud, theft) whether the alleged victim wants you to or not. That, Gans suggests, could be gross infringement of the rights and privacy of the alleged victim. Do we want to give victims no agency or choice at all?

  77. Old Lefty says:

    Meanwhile, Governor Cuomo has been MeTooed again

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/ny-governor-andrew-cuomo-accused-2nd-aide-of-sexual-harassment/13200998

    I’m sure this wasn’t in the Left’s script!

  78. m0nty says:

    These posts are pointless.

    The point is to distract from the current spate of LNP scandals with pissweak fallacies in the hope that the media moves on. It’s a time-honoured practice, and it often works. If it doesn’t this time… good.

  79. Viva says:

    An orchestrated and very clever smear

    People will wonder who?

    Sympathy with the woman who suicided?

    Trauma proven by her action?

    How to defend in these circumstances?

    Is the public’s bullshit detector still in working order?

    Some mud will stick

  80. Mother Lode says:

    It is very obliging of Wong though.

    When the Brittany had her claims published and people said we should also look then at Tits’ case, the retort was that Brittany’s was current while Shorten’s was back in the 80’s.

    And then that Wong chap sticks his head up and said we should look into accusations of rope from the 80’s.

    Thanks, Pen!

    Some incidental thing else revealed in the Tits’ rope claim is that the ALP was signing members up at 15, three years before they could even vote, then giving them delegate roles when they are all of 16. People that young and green?

    Or maybe she had been singled out for ‘mentorship’ and attention from men who had taken a shine to her even if she was too naive to fully realise what was going on.

  81. Albatross says:

    m0nty says:
    February 28, 2021 at 2:32 pm
    These posts are pointless.

    The point is to distract from the current spate of LNP scandals

    And this shows why. The left are shameless hypocrites. It’s like water off a duck’s back.

  82. Paul says:

    That Wong fellows a most disagreeable chap . Wouldn’t leave the wife alone with him , that’s for sure … !

  83. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Bad Samaritan says:
    February 28, 2021 at 8:14 am
    Calli (7.43am). Your point only works if the electorate is as stupid as you and Labor think they are….

    My observation is that the average voter sees this BS as nonsense; Wong a freak; KK a skank, and the various aggrieved accusers neurotic losers.

    Sure the rusted on leftists will feign some outrage but who cares about them?

    It all depends on who the alleged is, and I don’t know who the person is.

    But while you’re right that the electorate are not as interested in the Canberra bubble stuff, the parliamentary SFLs party is just as bad as the Liars if the subject is from the right wing of the party. When wanting to pull down and destroy conservatives, there are many there who would put their hands up.

    The behaviour of people like Pyne, Julie Bishop, Fletcher, Birmingham and the Photios group have shown how far they’ll go to get rid of their enemies inside the party. Gee, Pyne was accused of working behind the scenes with GetUp! to target certain conservatives in S.A.

    I just turned the TV on to the ABC and, low and behold, there was Turnbull seemingly discussing the subject, though where I am at the moment, the signal kept breaking up so I couldn’t get very much of it.

    So while the electors may think they’re voting for the SFLs, which are a better choice than the Liars, we’ve been moving for quite some time toward a uni-party whose members are more interested in personal value-adding. Are the SFLs, Liberal with a capital “L” anymore, and to the extent that the electorate presume they are? It seems to be that there are too many from both sides working together to bring down their enemies so they may enrich themselves in power and influence.

  84. Rafiki says:

    JC
    I tried to distinguish two kinds of response. One: the Libs should not suggest that the rape claim against Shorten be re-investigated. To do so would look like they were arguing “you too” to avoid the problem. Moreover, they should hope to get a favourable from the at least the NSW cops. Two: they might point to Shorten’s staying on to make the point that allegations need not lead to standing aside.

  85. Ed Case says:

    ***Of course Labor will ( as Albanese did this morning) attack Morrison, and this is perhaps where Shorten’s staying on might be invoked.***
    Comparing one of their own to Bill Shorten?
    What would be the point?

  86. Ed Case says:

    ***Jeremy Hans, … has offered a defence of Linda Reynolds. In not taking the matter to the police or up the line in cabinet, Reynolds was only doing what Higgins asked.***
    Reynolds was quite upset since the Rapper was her favorite, according to Brittany Reynolds couldn’t stand being in the same room with her afterwards.
    It was made clear to Brittany by fixers in Morrison’s and Reynolds offices that her future employment depended on her going along to get along.
    The issue is the coverup.
    It’s astounding to me that Labor are bringing up NothingBurgers from a million years ago when the Government is on the ropes over this coverup, Reynolds is Incommunicado and Dutton claims to be in the dark until February 5 this year, though the AFP in Parliament House were obliged to inform the Home Affairs Minister the day it happened, March 22/23 2019.

  87. mina says:

    Jeremy Gans is Professor of Law , University of Melbourne and his statement about mandatory reporting is correct as professionally that law was relevant for me. Many on this thread are commenting on what has been reported and the little that has been stated by the victim . I doubt anyone has read an affidavit in relation to the allegations . This also pertains to the case of the person who suicided. Therefore all are interpretations of events .
    Kathy Sherriff is some what different as documentation is available on Michael Smith who by the way was a member of the Victorian police . .
    Re BH she told Reynolds her story but what was her reason for not wanting to report it to police , she was legless by her own admission and also was with a colleague she did not know well . This was the reason she gave for organising the party so she said . Her behaviour, excluding the alleged rape, was enough to put a cloud over her future prospects as it showed immaturity , poor choices, lack of trustworthiness.

  88. Ed Case says:

    Brittany Higgins did a 20 minute interview with Lisa Wilkinson on the Project, I posted it earlier. There’s been a Government coverup.
    Mandatory Reporting is a red herring, the coverup is the story.
    The cops declined to lay charges over Kathy Sheriff, the Liberals won’t touch the issue, and the Public aren’t interested either.

  89. min says:

    In your opinion Ed , however not sure how many rape victims you have had dealings with but unless they wanted to report it not allowed.

  90. Rafiki says:

    Morrison needs to say that he will not stand a Minister aside merely because an allegation of misconduct had been made. Otherwise the processes of government become unworkable. The question of standing aside might arise in the course of an investigation. If challenged by opponents, he might point to the Shorten example.

  91. Ed Case says:

    Morrison doesn’t need to say anything.
    It’s Wong’s issue, let her argue it out in public.

  92. Ed Case says:

    ***Saw this on Reddit.some ministers were too young and many were too old (to hang out with a 16 year old.) I think they’re trying to smear Porter ***
    I thought a NSW Liberal Cabinet Minister was accused.
    NSW Liberal Cabinet Ministers are:
    1.Scotty [b. 1968]
    2.Marise Payne
    34 Sussan Ley
    4.Angus Taylor [b. 1966]
    5 Paul Fletcher [b.1966]

  93. Old Lefty says:

    Latest from the ABC:

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/more-federal-mps-aware-rape-allegation-before-revealed-to-public/13201522

    Note how the allegations about an unnamed Labor MP are buried deep in the article and missing from the headline. Note also how, having campaigned against Celia Hammond in her preselection and at the election, they have now crafted the opening of the story so as to slime her in the eyes of a careless reader.

  94. Squirrel says:

    Some very interesting insights into the ABC’s role in this on Sharri Markson’s show tonight – doubtless there will be a detailed and completely impartial investigation by Media Watch………

  95. TBH says:

    The Libs need to let the ALP know that they will air allegations of their own if Labor don’t cut it out — because you know that the ALP have their own skeletons in the closet. Everything they accuse their opponents of they are doing themselves.

    Refer any complaints to the AFP and let that be the end of the discussion until charges are laid. This business of smearing people without due process is completely wrong.

  96. C.L. says:

    The ABC assaults family and complainant because hate comes first:

    ABC ignored plea from family of alleged rape victim
    ————
    SHARRI MARKSON
    INVESTIGATIONS EDITOR
    57 MINUTES AGO FEBRUARY 28, 2021
    ————
    The family of the woman who alleged she was raped by a current cabinet minister three decades ago had requested the ABC not to broadcast the claims and were distressed at potential politicisation if the matter were made public, friends of the complainant say.

    Former Liberal staffer Dhanya Mani, who became close friends with the woman after publicly disclosing her own experience with alleged sexual assault in politics, said the public broadcaster had breached the trust of family and friends after reporting details about the allegations on Friday.

    “In all of the last conversations we had … she spoke about how much she loved her family, how much she cared about them, how much she wanted to build closer relationships with every member of her family,” Ms Mani told Sky News Australia on Sunday.

    “She would not want for her family to be re-traumatised, which is what’s happening right now by waking up and seeing this splashed all over the news.

    “Not even referred to as a person with a personality, traits, passions, beliefs (but) as a body. Why did they need to mention one specific detail of what happened to her with that crime

    “It felt like obvious attempts at sensationalism, to try and make something seem perverse, to try to appeal to public outrage at her direct expense and at her family’s direct expense.”

    Her friend, Ms Mani said, was a historian and academic who was “brilliantly funny, kind, no matter what she was going through” with a presence that was “magnetic”. She wanted to run for parliament.

    The woman, who died last June, alleged a current cabinet minister had raped her in 1988 during an event in Sydney.

    NSW police established a taskforce, Strike Force Wyndarra, to look into the matter and were preparing to interview her when she took her own life last year. Hours earlier, the woman had told police she no longer wanted to proceed with the investigation.

    However, she collected extensive material in recent years to support her allegation including diaries, journals and scrapbooks.

    The ABC report was based on an anonymous complaint sent to Labor foreign affairs spokeswoman Penny Wong and Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young — and forwarded to the Australian Federal Police — which also noted the family’s discomfort in having the allegations made public.

    ‘She wanted her story told, on her own terms’: ABC’s Four Corners faces criticism
    A woman who recently took her own life after having made historical rape allegations against a current Morrison Cabinet minister would have been “furious” with how the ABC’s Four Corners had approached the coverage of the issue, says a close friend.
    The letter outlined fears held by the woman’s parents about the adverse publicity from a public disclosure and said they had asked the ABC not to broadcast the allegations ahead of a Four Corners episode into sexual misconduct in politics that aired in November. However, it also noted that the woman and her parents had been estranged for periods of time and may have disagreed on whether the allegations should have been made public. Ms Mani said when the woman’s parents had been notified that Four Corners was pursuing the story, they “immediately registered their objections”.

    The ABC contacted Ms Mani late at night “on the very day I found out that my friend had passed away”, she said.

    “I was told this is the only way to honour my friend. But it doesn’t feel that way to me, it doesn’t feel that way at all … it felt like I was being told that I somehow needed to debase my friend as the only way to care about her and I couldn’t stand that at all.”

    Scott Morrison’s office on Sunday said all complaints and allegations “of this nature made to anybody — whether they’re parliamentarians or journalists — should be referred to the AFP”.

    While the AFP has begun making inquiries, those close to the matter said they expected it would not fall under their jurisdiction and would likely become a coronial inquiry in South Australia, where the woman lived.

    Labor leader Anthony Albanese, however, said the Prime Minister should consider removing the minister at the centre of the allegations from cabinet until the matter was resolved. “This now will be very much a dark cloud over the parliament and over the cabinet,” he said.

    An ABC spokeswoman said the story published on Friday was “separate” to the Four Corners investigation that aired in November. “The issues that are being reported on are difficult, but significant, and in the public’s interest to be informed about,” she said. “The ABC’s coverage has been accurate and carefully and appropriately handled.

    “The ABC does not reveal details of how we investigate stories, or communications we may have had with sources in the course of those investigations, and it would be unethical to do so.”

    But Ms Mani said the woman would be “furious, disheartened, feel disrespected and debased to see how they’ve approached the coverage because she was a brave courageous advocate”.

    Ms Mani said her friend did not feel she was being supported and encouraged, even by the politicians she confided in. “After one attempt to speak to her, that was it. And this is a part of why she became so helpless,” she said.

    Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull told an Adelaide Writers’ Week event on Sunday that he and his wife, Lucy Turnbull, had been approached by the woman for advice in 2019.

    “We wrote back to her, obviously expressed our sympathy and, really our concern for her and what she’d experienced, but said ‘You’ve got a lawyer, you’re seeing the police, that’s the right thing to do’, and that was,” Mr Turnbull said. He had contacted South Australian Police Commissioner Grant Stevens after the woman had died.

    SA Police are preparing a report for the coroner.

    Senator Wong has said she met the woman in November 2019 after she “ran into” her in Adelaide: “I facilitated her referral to rape support services.”

  97. Ed Case says:

    Incredibly gutless response from Albanese, why doesn’t he name the Minister if it’s such a big deal?
    He was the overwhelming Labor rank and file choice for Leader, an indication of how stupid these people are.

  98. Ed Case says:

    The whole thing seems bipartisan.
    We’ve got a Rapper allegation at Parly House less than 2 years ago, 2 others have came forward with similar experiences with the same Senior Adviser, there’s likely to be others, a Cabinet Minister tells the Senate she doesn’t know how to answer a question regarding her responses to that event, then admits herself to hospital, and the best Labor can do is to segue to something unproveable from the 1980s.
    Sarah Henderson copies that, the public switches off and the News Cycle moves on.

  99. buckshot says:

    C.L. says:
    March 1, 2021 at 12:50 am
    [From Sharri Markson’s article]
    Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull told an Adelaide Writers’ Week event on Sunday that he and his wife, Lucy Turnbull, had been approached by the woman for advice in 2019.

    “We wrote back to her, obviously expressed our sympathy and, really our concern for her and what she’d experienced, but said ‘You’ve got a lawyer, you’re seeing the police, that’s the right thing to do’, and that was,” Mr Turnbull said. He had contacted South Australian Police Commissioner Grant Stevens after the woman had died.

    So Turnbull, Wong and the Labor MP from South Australia all had contact with the woman as early as 2019, and I’ve yet to see any evidence that any of these people contacted Morrison about the issue, let alone suggest he stand the accused minister down.

    Albo suggesting Morrison stand the minister down is just crazy talk. It would preempt the police inquiries and set a really dangerous precedent where anyone could make an untested allegation to get a minister stood down.

  100. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Albo suggesting Morrison stand the minister down is just crazy talk. It would preempt the police inquiries and set a really dangerous precedent where anyone could make an untested allegation to get a minister stood down.”

    Albosleaze’s insistence that Morrison stand down the minister was on Insiders yesterday morning. In the same interview, when asked by Speers about what he would do, he insisted that was a hypothetical. Albosleaze spoke too soon, given last night’s letter to the AFP from Senator Henderson. If Morrison stands down the minister then Albo also needs to stand down you know who.

  101. Rafiki says:

    What has been noted and deserves emphasis is that the AFP has no investigative role to play where the alleged offence is said to take place in a State. Also noted is that the AFP policy overrides existing policies on mandatory reporting of sexual offence episodes.

    There is panic all round here.

  102. Boambee John says:

    This episode is starting to look like the Section 44 kerfuffle not so long ago. An attempt to gain political advantage is starting to blow back on its originators. Section 44 eventually was banned from “polite” discourse, this will probably meet the same fate.

  103. Crossie:

    I think ScoMo and his gutless wonders will choose to forfeit.

    They will vote for the enemy because the good guys are not quite good enough.
    Virtue signalling traitors like Pence. “I voted for the scumbags because I’m not quite saintly enough and more people should be aware of it.”

  104. Dot says:

    So Turnbull, Wong and the Labor MP from South Australia all had contact with the woman as early as 2019, and I’ve yet to see any evidence that any of these people contacted Morrison about the issue, let alone suggest he stand the accused minister down.

    Hmm. It seems made up.

    If you were assaulted in NSW in 1988 and were living in SA, why in 2019 would you contact Mick Trumble? It is truly bizarre.

    He had contacted South Australian Police Commissioner Grant Stevens after the woman had died.

    There is literally no reason for this to have happened at all.

    WTF is this other than a very poorly planned and high strangeness gotcha that has fallen flat?

  105. Dot says:

    I have the feeling this woman was writing letters to people in high places for a long time. Probably something about free energy and reptoids.

  106. buckshot says:

    So I wonder who was the smart person who wrote the anonymous letter to Morrison, Wong and Hanson-Young? Maybe the Shy-knees? Very effective; the Adelaide compound must be completed and fully operational then.

  107. Entropy says:

    Former Liberal staffer Dhanya Mani, who became close friends with the woman after publicly disclosing her own experience with alleged sexual assault in politics, said the public broadcaster had breached the trust of family and friends after reporting details about the allegations on Friday.

    Dogs return to their own vomit, the scorpion will always sting the Fox.

    “It’s in their nature”.

  108. Jack1957 says:

    Why are the ABC, Guardian and SBS seemingly leading the charge on this. Massive double standard. The media at Christian Porters statement yesterday was the worst kind of a vulture feeding frenzy I have seen. Surely we are better than this!!!!

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