Crankster Squad

WITH News Corp providing cover this weekend for Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton’s crazy obsession with extracting from Facebook the encryption keys that prevent him from reading your mail – spoiler alert: if you oppose governments wiretapping citizens, you’re a friend of Jews child molesters – it’s little wonder the Morrison government is emboldened enough to create a new gestapo on a PR whim:

It’s feared anti-vaxxers could target COVID-19 vaccine storage hubs, with online activity from protesters spiking in recent days.

A special team of AFP detectives has been appointed by the Federal Government to watch the online interactions of the anti-vaccination “movement”.

Previously, those interactions had measured about 200 a day, but recently that had skyrocketed to 6000 a day.

 
As I noted in The New Duopoly of Violence, ISIS fanatic Raghe Mohamed Abdi was known to the same AFP for two years prior to his murder of Maurice and Zoe Antill in December last year. The Federal Police failed to protect the lives of two elderly Australians randomly mutilated in their own home. But they have a “team” eavesdropping on vaccine critics. I would be very interested to know if these “detectives” are, in fact, committing a criminal offence. Australians have an implied constitutional right to free speech.

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72 Responses to Crankster Squad

  1. miltonf says:

    A government at war with its own people like most western governments. They are despicable.

  2. Gerard says:

    If they can’t understand Net Costs it is little wonder they cannot understand the economic impact of Net Zero carbon.

  3. Muddy says:

    Note they are referred to as protestors, rather than the more complimentary activists. The implication being that a protest has the potential for violence, whereas activism involves a credible ‘movement’ acceptable or beneficial to the elite.

  4. calli says:

    Activism = an idea

    Protest = insurrection

  5. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Because SpaceChook refuses to give us the encryption keys we should ban it from Australia.

    The collective IQ of the country would increase 10 points in that scenario.

    Of course if the Chook gave us the keys, and we banned them anyway, IQ would still rise 10 pts.

  6. miltonf says:

    The Federal Police failed to protect the lives of two elderly Australians randomly mutilated in their own home.

    The fact that such a person was imported into the country and that no action was taken even though officials were fully aware that he was dangerous, shows that the social contract has been torn up.

  7. Fred says:

    I saw this tipis on the news tonight and immediately thought bullshit. Not dissimilar to all these garage nazis we keeping hearing about.

    What I did notice was the treatment of anti-vaccination protesters by the police, spraying them with teargas and making plenty of arrests. Bit different to how they treated the Black Lives Matter protestors.

  8. Whalehunt Fun says:

    It is inevitable that antivaxxers will destroy some large number of vaccine shots. They will of course not be actual antivaxxers but AFP who will pretend to be antivaxxers so the socialist Liberal filth can justify new intrusions into our privacy.

  9. Snoopy says:

    I’m so old I can remember when ‘chatter’ was the harmless preserve of lefty blogs.

  10. Robber Baron says:

    Tool up.

  11. stackja says:

    Anyone should face consequences. IS not viewed as wrong.

  12. Muddy says:

    Previously, those interactions had measured about 200 a day, but recently that had skyrocketed to 6000 a day.

    The use of the vague ‘previously’ rather than a specific time period, leaves me suspicious. Are we talking about 18 months ago, or in the heyday of MySpace?

  13. jupes says:

    I wonder if this post has raised the ‘interactions’ above 6000.

    Might need a few more ‘detectives’.

  14. Chris M says:

    Monitoring subversive vaccine replies on the Cat is keeping a couple of pimply dorks with ffick glasses at AFP Beijing office employed, wonderful!

  15. Gorilla Dance Party says:

    I’ll save the AFP some trouble: just let them not get the vaccine. We’ve mostly been letting people not get vaccinated since vaccines were invented so I don’t see the issue today.

    Labor’s new slogan to conservatives should be ” Vot Labor! Can we really be worse?”

  16. H B Bear says:

    We are all Pete Evans now. Activated nut?

  17. Jo says:

    We might need some more detectives? Couldn’t find their own arse’s if they reached round.

  18. Entropy says:

    Hi coppers: I ain’t an anti vaxxer, but I think what you are doing is immoral.

  19. Tel says:

    I would be very interested to know if these “detectives” are, in fact, committing a criminal offence.

    Would it make any difference? Laws that are never enforced are laws that don’t exist … they tested Australia and they got their answer.

  20. incoherent rambler says:

    Hi coppers: I ain’t an anti vaxxer, but I think what you are doing is immoral.

    and criminal.

    You know how to find me. Here at Australia’s premier antivax site.

  21. incoherent rambler says:

    So can we get these coppers their pfizer jab as soon as possible.
    That will make some of the problem go away.

  22. Entropy says:

    Dutton wanting faeces
    Book keys really takes the cake. No doubt he is also after Android and Apple too. Apple has so far refused any other country’s demands.

  23. Dot says:

    It’s feared anti-vaxxers could target COVID-19 vaccine storage hubs, with online activity from protesters spiking in recent days.

    A special team of AFP detectives has been appointed by the Federal Government to watch the online interactions of the anti-vaccination “movement”.

    Previously, those interactions had measured about 200 a day, but recently that had skyrocketed to 6000 a day.

    What does that even mean?

    People talking to each other?

    Don’t talk, Peter Dutton has something to put in you.

    A bit like Chinese airport security.

  24. Entropy says:

    You know how to find me. Here at Australia’s premier antivax site.

    Sure IR, I reckon it would take the snoops as long to work out who I am as it takes to skip a donut.

  25. Fat Tony says:

    The more eager the government is for me to take this “vaccine”, the less likely I will have it.

    Now that we’re almost a year into this “pandemic”, anyone here actually had it, know someone who’s had it or died from it?

    I still don’t know of anyone.

  26. MPH says:

    Australians have an implied constitutional right to free speech

    There is something far more than implied about freedom of movement between the states and look how that worked out.

  27. Entropy says:

    Plenty of friends in the UK, Fat Tony. And I was at a meeting back in June I think where Senator MacDonald entertained us all about the joys of being locked up with Covid.

  28. Dot says:

    Just remember.

    The CCP is insisting that the anal swabs are the most accurate testing method for detecting COVID infection.

    Australia’s “elite” typically fall over themselves to follow the lead of any country with more clout.

    Things could get very…shitty.

    This is the…arse end of the world after all.

  29. Scott Osmond says:

    Don’t blame me. I haven’t voted for him or any of the teachers the Labor party have put up in this seat. Each cycle I look at the form in despair and vote for independents and the minor parties first. Excluding the Greenfilth. They’ve had pride of place at the bottom of the form for as long as I can remember voting.

  30. Scott Osmond says:

    Although the SFL’s are doing their best to earn that most coveted last place. Come on Greenfilth you don’t want the SFL’s to steal your slot do you?

  31. maree says:

    Can’t say I worry too much about Dutton at present, how about the legacy rape allegation against a former Labor Opposition leader/aspiring PM, from the same era, and a girl of the same age, ie 16.

    Victorian police found too hard to pursue.

    If this Left witch-hunt by an anonymous deceased person proceeds against an un-named person, let’s go the whole hog about documented allegations by a living woman against this senior Labor man.

  32. maree says:

    I don’t care one way or the other about this latest vaccination. Our family, spouse, children, brothers, sisters, our kids etc have had all vaccinations because our parents had seen the worst with polio, measles, mumps, TB etc after WW2, and then came HPV.

    We had all of the vaccinations as children, still here in 2021 without the polio that eventually put my father in a wheelchair and will do for Neil Young and others who contracted it in childhood.

    I am sceptical about the rush, that’s all, and what’s behind it. Big Pharma raises the antennae.

  33. Mother Lode says:

    So politicians are conflating people a little sceptical of a vaccine with Figures-level anti-vaxxers.

    The testing regime for new medicines and vaxxines is notoriously lengthy and arduous. Extensive trials to be sure they are safe. Now they have a medicine that has done in less than 12 months what normally takes years upon years, on a disease that no one even new about 24 months ago?

    See how gullible and stupid they need people to be so they can present themselves as competent.

    I understand their urgency. Once they have flooded our veins with the vaccine they can pretend the lockdowns were part of a well managed plan that we can now leave behind us and best if we don’t talk about it anymore.

    Frankly I would not be surprised if they twigged to the fact Covid is not particularly dangerous once their panic wore off – they have had to resort to some rather shifty practices to get the numbers up – so the vaccine need not do much but they have still managed to kill people with the cure.

    When government inserts itself into a situation and then back out, it is not a nett zero effect. It is a disaster when the enter and another disaster when they back out.

  34. PB says:

    “We are all Pete Evans now.”

    They don’t like telegenic, articulate opposition. Much harder to marginalise.

  35. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “As I noted in The New Duopoly of Violence, ISIS fanatic Raghe Mohamed Abdi was known to the same AFP for two years prior to his murder of Maurice and Zoe Antill in December last year. The Federal Police failed to protect the lives of two elderly Australians randomly mutilated in their own home. “

    Note how quickly the murders of the Maurice and Zoe Antill disappeared down the memory hole?

    Every time I hear about the so called rise of “far-right” terrorism I laugh out loud. Nazis, Nazis, Nazis everywhere! Oh well….that’ll suit the donut muncher here, he’ll have lots of “Nazis” to punch.

  36. Albatross says:

    Australians have an implied constitutional right to free speech.

    Not really.

  37. Figures says:

    So politicians are conflating people a little sceptical of a vaccine with Figures-level anti-vaxxers.

    They’ve been doing that long before COVID. You just didn’t notice because your blind love of the medical industry stopped you from seeing sense.

    I know with 100% certainty that no vaccine has ever worked in history (they are based on the notion that *all* infections are acute – but there is no evidence that any infection has ever been acute (and we know of many instances when they’re not)). However, the vast majority of people derided as “anti-vaxxers” before COVID were parents who genuinely believed in the medical system until they saw: a) a vaccine injury; and b) the astonishing gaslighting that the medical system would put them through to pretend that they never saw what they obviously saw.

    The testing regime for new medicines and vaxxines is notoriously lengthy and arduous.

    No it isn’t. Every vaccine in history has been tested in just as (if not more) a fraudulent a manner as this one (albeit not quite as rapid). Mostly, they give the control recipients a non-inert placebo – so there are plenty of injuries in both the vaccine and the control group to artificially make the vaccine appear safe. They also use the presence of antibodies rather than actual health outcomes to determine if the vaccine works.

    Alternatively, they do what they did for this vaccine where they actually do give the control group an actual placebo. You would think this would make the process valid. It does not. Anybody with a non-trivial reaction immediately (and probably correctly) guesses they received the vaccine (rather than placebo) and henceforth will manipulate the results (because the volunteers are all prejudiced towards wanting the vaccine to be approved).

    You can’t use controlled trials for vaccines. We never use controlled trials for safety of consumer products (except vaccines) as they are too easily rigged – either by the researchers or the volunteers. Only stress testing is valid.

  38. Mother Lode says:

    That Figures.

  39. Figures says:

    Our family, spouse, children, brothers, sisters, our kids etc have had all vaccinations because our parents had seen the worst with polio, measles, mumps, TB etc after WW2, and then came HPV.

    This is classic pro-vaxer stuff. It feels like such a rational argument you see – all of your beliefs are based on *observations* as opposed to just blindly trusting what someone else told them. After all, we all know that observations are good evidence whereas blindly trusting others’ opinions is invalid. So pro-vaxers always start out by making their claims as a direct observation.

    You *saw* it all happen with your very eyes!

    There’s one problem though.

    It’s all bullshit.

    You and your parents saw precisely *nothing*. Not one thing.

    Nobody saw measles or polio or TB or mumps. You might have seen rashes or people with paralysis or heard a cough or saw someone with parotitis but you only *heard* the diagnosis of these people as having measles or polio or TB or mumps.

    The symptoms they might have seen (although probably didn’t) but they only heard the diagnosis as someone else’s *opinion*.

    Now, over and over I point out this problem to people – for example by pointing out that the things people can *see* (eg someone with paralysis or a congenital defect) are actually *more* common today than before the (polio or rubella) vaccine. In short, we have less diagnoses (ie opinions) of polio and measles and mumps and TB and rubella today but no less actual symptoms (ie observations) of them.

    At that point, their entire worldview falls apart. They’re so brainwashed that it never once occurred to them that they never *saw* anything but of course, being brainwashed, they have no interest in changing their minds. So they just retreat to authority. The very thing they imagined they would never have to do.

    Cervical cancer was falling in Australia before the vaccine. Since the vaccine, it has started to increase. Not one vaccine advocate on the planet predicted such a thing before Gardasil came out (of course they all predicted cancer would plummet) but when you show them this data (from their own precious government sources) they come out with one excuse after the other about how Gardasil could never be expected to reduce cervical cancer!

    Same with hepatitis B vaccine and liver cancer. Three decades of widespread use of the vaccine and liver cancer rates in the US, Australia, UK and most other places have skyrocketed.

    So then what to do eh?

    Well Dot will tell you what to do.

    You lie.

    A lot.

    What you do when confronted with this disastrous challenge to your worldview is that you pretend your opponent (me) made a whole bunch of claims I never made (eg that I claimed the rubella vaccine *caused* the increase in congenital defects or that Hep B vax caused liver cancer to skyrocket rather than what I actually claimed which is that there is zero valid evidence these vaccines worked) and attack those.

  40. Dot says:

    No it isn’t. Every vaccine in history has been tested in just as (if not more) a fraudulent a manner as this one (albeit not quite as rapid). Mostly, they give the control recipients a non-inert placebo – so there are plenty of injuries in both the vaccine and the control group to artificially make the vaccine appear safe. They also use the presence of antibodies rather than actual health outcomes to determine if the vaccine works.

    What a load of shit.

    Fuck off you lying imbecile.

  41. Dot says:

    liver cancer rates in the US, Australia, UK and most other places have skyrocketed.

    You just made this up. Stop pulling arguments and factoids out of your fundament.

  42. Ozman says:

    The rape headlines are a distraction from the real issues that needs to be addressed: government intrusion, violation of human rights, denial of free speech, etc.

    Switzerland withholds approval for AstraZeneca Covid vaccine citing lack of evidence. But south of the equator, “Scotty from marketing” fakes taking the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine with a rag covering his smug mug featuring the Australian flag. The message being marketed: “Shut up your face and do not question being a guinea pig!” This is an insult to every Australian citizen.

    Fair dinkum, “Scotty from marketing”, you are an outright dolt.

    The vaccine is unproven. And inhaling exhaled CO2 is not what Finkel means when he says to follow the science and reduce CO2 emissions–unless he is actually advocating committing suicide in plain sight of us all, expecting “eyes wide shut”. In which case, Morrison you are unworthy to call yourself Prime Minister or a Christian, if you are actively trying to encourage the inhalation of CO2 rather than oxygen.

    There are over thirty controlled scientific studies into the effectiveness of masks. These studies inform us wearing a mask proves to be absolutely ineffective for preventing the inhalation of virus particles; especially, when they are 300 times smaller than the P95 mask pores required for breathing. Not only this, wearing a mask contributes to ill health due to trapped CO2, growing bacteria, fungi, and other microorganisms being inhaled with each breath–definitely unhygienic and dangerous for the wearer.

    Encouraging and insisting on injections of trial vaccinations that have not been proven safe is criminal and a violation of human rights.

  43. Dinky says:

    I still don’t know of anyone

    I do. She’s a 25 year old nurse who caught it last April. She was fit & healthy but since getting it she has suffered severe pain in the lungs, which she’s still taking pain medication for & reduced breathing capacity.

  44. Chris M says:

    Three decades of widespread use of the vaccine and liver cancer rates in the US, Australia, UK and most other places have skyrocketed.

    Because obesity – fatty liver disease and liver cirrhosis etc have become very common. Add in optional regular alcohol = liver cancer.

  45. Mother Lode says:

    I used to be sceptical of vaccines, suspicious they were being used to re-write my DNA and turn me into robot.

    Then I was given a ‘flu’ shot.

    Ever since then my fears have disappeared. Now I am happy to do what I am told. I also spend 15 minutes every morning looking at the timer display on my microwave and suddenly know what I have to do that day.

    Oh, and now I am black.

  46. Dot says:

    Dinky

    I am not doubting you, but complications can happen from any respiratory infection and that is rare…just like COVID symptoms let alone hospitalisation or death.

  47. Snoopy says:

    I do. She’s a 25 year old nurse who caught it last April. She was fit & healthy but since getting it she has suffered severe pain in the lungs, which she’s still taking pain medication for & reduced breathing capacity.

    She should pursue a massive workers compensation claim.

  48. Dot says:

    That’s right Chris M.

    Liver cancer rates have tripled over the past…40 years. Hardly “skyrocketing”: particularly due to alcoholism & obesity, also the fact that other diseases like heart disease and diabetes are more manageable.

    The leading cause of liver cancer is actually untreated hepatitis (yes I googled it).

    If Figures’ brain dead argument made any sense, the liver cancer sufferers would mostly be hospital workers who have to take hepatitis vaccines as part of their pre employment conditions.

    They’re not. It’s mostly fat, old poor alcoholics and needle drug users.

  49. Diogenes says:

    I do. She’s a 25 year old nurse who caught it last April. She was fit & healthy but since getting it she has suffered severe pain in the lungs, which she’s still taking pain medication for & reduced breathing capacity.

    My wife’s aunt 72yo caught it in the US , felt like absolute crap for 2 weeks and recovered with no issues. The uncle (65yo) didn’t even get a headache, and ALL his tests came back negative. He assumes it because he got a shot for everything when he was in the Navy and was exposed to gazillions of viruses during his service.

    While it is sad, and I don’t wish illness on anybody, and before we wassail about some young peoples reaction to the COVID, like the nurse above, we have to acknowledge that the danger of a reaction to a virus exists for all viruses. I had pains in the lungs & reduced lung function for 2 years due to stress-induced sarcoidosis, the neighbour across the road similar, but her 2 year-long hacking cough and reduced lung function was caused by a case of bronchitis 3 years ago. Colleague, 2 years later has not recovered his full fitness from a case of glandular fever.

  50. Lizzi55 says:

    The mRNA vax is 95% effective – what does that mean? This article goes into the details, well worth a read:

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/22/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-a-risk-benefit-analysis/

    For those who can’t be bothered reading the whole thing, here is a short summary:

    The trials involved 18000 vaccinated volunteers, and 18000 “placebo” volunteers (these had another vaccine).

    Of the 18000 covid-vaxed, 8 people had (2 or more) nonsevere covid (flu-like) symptoms.

    Of the 18000 placebo, 162 people had (2 or more) nonsevere covid (flu-like) symptoms.

    8/162 is 5% hence they say the vax is 95% “effective”.

    In other words the world’s rollout of the vax is based on a mere 162 “cases” being used as a control. This is not enough data to quantify efficiency

    If we believe the trial data, it actually says this: if you take the new vax, your risk of getting (2 or more) nonsevere covid (flu-like) symptoms, is only reduced by 1%. It means only 1 out of 100 vaxxed people will get any benefit

    Fyi the 1% comes from: (162-8)/18000 x 100 = less than 1 %.

    And in terms of avoiding severe covid (flu-like) symptoms, your risk of avoiding these is only reduced by a miniscule 0.22% !!! It means only 1 on 500 vaxxers will avoid severe covid (flu-like) symptoms! Hows that for (un)safe and (in)effective.

    Side effects: 80% of people get some sort of side effect, and 1 in 40 get severe side effects. High price to pay, for a 0.22% reduction in risk! At the very least, these basic stats should be communicated as informed consent information.

    Apart from that, the article describes flaws in the design of the covid trials, also highlights other risks from this experimental gene therapy, really worth a read:

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/22/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-a-risk-benefit-analysis/

  51. LBLoveday says:

    know someone who’s had it or died from it?

    .
    I know (knew?) someone who died with COVID – old, fat, unfit. He wasn’t looking like having a long life in front of him – garden-variety seasonal flu may have killed him.

  52. Figures says:

    You just made this up. Stop pulling arguments and factoids out of your fundament.

    Liver cancer rates have tripled over the past…40 years

    So I didn’t make it up and, once again, you accepted the initial argument was valid (ie that *if* liver cancer rates rose then that would imply a massive problem with the vaccine) but when you realised that liver cancer rates did indeed rise, you changed your mind and decided the argument wasn’t valid after all.

    Just like you did the last time.

    The leading cause of liver cancer is actually untreated hepatitis

    Ummmm, they changed the name of Hepatitis B to Hepatitis C (and D, E etc). It’s actually really obvious what they did. You just have to allow yourself not to be brainwashed for a few minutes.

    the liver cancer sufferers would mostly be hospital workers who have to take hepatitis vaccines as part of their pre employment conditions.

    And right there you lied. Exactly as I said you would lie.

    Let me repeat. I never once suggested that the Hep B vaccine was the *cause* of liver cancer. What I said was that it was utterly useless at preventing it.

  53. Dot says:

    Oh that’s right. They just changed the name.

    The worst thing is you know you are wrong and you are just peddling shit.

    Where are the masses of sick hospital workers?

    There was never a huge amount of them.

    Your lies are easily disproven.

    the liver cancer sufferers would mostly be hospital workers who have to take hepatitis vaccines as part of their pre employment conditions.

    And right there you lied. Exactly as I said you would lie.

    No no no fuckhead.

    That proves that you are wrong.

    I never once suggested that the Hep B vaccine was the *cause* of liver cancer.

    Bitch please.

    Same with hepatitis B vaccine and liver cancer. Three decades of widespread use of the vaccine and liver cancer rates in the US, Australia, UK and most other places have skyrocketed.

    The health workers don’t get liver cancer at the same rate as everyone else. That shows there is a very high probability that it works.

    We all know what you are doing. Your grubby smearing of the vaccine “oh but I never said it did anything” is as shallow as a puddle of piss.

    You want to spread disinformation (on top of your other nonsense that it doesn’t work, you colossal fuckhead) and not be held accountable.

  54. Figures says:

    Oh that’s right. They just changed the name.

    Yep. Very obvious. How exactly do you think doctors differentiated between Hepatitis B and Hepatitis C in, say, 1950? I’ll give you a hint. They didn’t. Ever. Why don’t you have a look when Hep C was first “discovered”? Compare it to when the Hep B vaccine started.

    Oops.

    Where are the masses of sick hospital workers?

    Which there would be if diseases were contagious. Thanks for reaffirming one of my other devastating critiques of the idiotic belief in vaccines.

    Bitch please.

    Thanks. But I never did. You need to make this up because I’ve demolished your arguments.

    The health workers don’t get liver cancer at the same rate as everyone else. That shows there is a very high probability that it works.

    No it shows that the disease isn’t contagious. The fact that you’re forced into such a tenuous piece of “evidence” shows how ridiculous your belief is.

    Your grubby smearing of the vaccine “oh but I never said it did anything” is as shallow as a puddle of piss.

    But I didn’t say it did I? That’s the key. What’s hilarious is that you are so desperate to go this way. I mean, as if it isn’t bad enough that the vaccines (all of them) don’t work, you’re actually trying to fight off the possibility that they actually *cause* the very things they are supposed to prevent. Why would you want to do that? Have you already quit trying to demonstrate that they work?

  55. Dot says:

    Yep. Very obvious. How exactly do you think doctors differentiated between Hepatitis B and Hepatitis C in, say, 1950? I’ll give you a hint. They didn’t. Ever. Why don’t you have a look when Hep C was first “discovered”? Compare it to when the Hep B vaccine started.

    No.

    You’re just in denial of reality. Hepatitis C is a real thing.

    Which there would be if diseases were contagious. Thanks for reaffirming one of my other devastating critiques of the idiotic belief in vaccines.

    So how do people catch AIDS/HIV?

    I mean, as if it isn’t bad enough that the vaccines (all of them) don’t work, you’re actually trying to fight off the possibility that they actually *cause* the very things they are supposed to prevent…

    Compare the liver cancer rates of hospital workers to those who would have otherwise died from diabetes and also those who would not.

    You’re not interested in this at all you crackpot, you think viruses don’t exist. Or they’re not contagious. Or hepatitis C and D don’t exist because you have an IQ of 200 and with no proof at all, shown that hepatitis C is really hep B being incurable to some extent.

    Shut up and go away.

    Either you’re incredibly dumb, or you’re here to smear this site.

  56. Figures says:

    Hepatitis C is a real thing.

    How could you (or any mere mortal) possibly have known that it didn’t exist anywhere on the planet prior to the 1980s?

    Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is? And yet, that is what we are expected to believe. That almost the exact same moment the Hep B virus disappeared due to the vaccine a brand new virus, popped up out of nowhere causing the exact same symptoms as Hep B did.

    Takes world class gullibility to swallow such nonsense.

    I will give you an alternative reality (ie actual reality). The vaccine was worthless and liver cancer/disease continued (rose actually) following the vaccine but doctors weren’t about to admit their treatments were worthless so they came up with a ridiculous story that only complete morons would believe.

    Lucky for them there are a lot of complete morons.

    So how do people catch AIDS/HIV?

    They don’t.

    You’re not interested in this at all you crackpot, you think viruses don’t exist.

    Strange comment. Of course holding this view makes me interested in the subject. You just blindly swallow the obvious lies of the medical industry and would do whatever they told you to. Your only interest is the fact that those of us who have actually thought about it make you feel stupid and gullible. So you attack us.

    Or they’re not contagious.

    Of course not. If diseases were contagious then you (and I) would never ever in a million years visit a doctor office, hospital, pharmacy etc. And certainly, nobody would dare become a doctor.

    It’s called revealed preference. Trust people’s actions not their words. If people were truly afraid of contagious diseases they would never visit a doctor. Of course, nobody would take the action to get a vaccine unless they were truly scared of contagious diseases.

    So we can conclude that 99 per cent of the world’s population aren’t so much hypocrites as they are completely insane.

    Compare the liver cancer rates of hospital workers to those who would have otherwise died from diabetes and also those who would not.

    ???

  57. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    When was the last death attributed to the chinesewuhan virusinVictoria ?
    How manypeople died of the common flu in 2020?
    I have heard of one person with the common flu this year and he recovered after a couple of weeks .

  58. Dot says:

    So how do people catch AIDS/HIV?

    They don’t.

    Jesus christ man.

    We have dayglo niggas around here. “How to make a still going right wing blog go away – let’s pretend we are righties and anti vaxxers…”

    I forget myself. I’m probably arguing with insane idiot and fecal eating champion, Graeme Bird.

  59. Dot says:

    “AIDS isn’t real”
    “Bronchitis isn’t real”
    “Syphilis isn’t real”

    I have to wonder if this obvious baiting isn’t by sore loser Memory Fault who hated this blog not being beholden to his words.

  60. Figures says:

    Well it isn’t Dot. And like I said, symptoms are all too real and can be witnessed. Doctors gaslight us as to the *cause* of the symptoms to frighten us into accepting their treatment. They further gaslight us into believing their treatments work – even though by the *initial* metrics they’re always a failure.

    Not one doctor on the planet would have thought, in 1980, “this hep b vax will actually be followed by an increase in liver cancer but I think we should go ahead and give it to everybody anyway”.

    Vaccines never have successes they have excuses.

  61. Ozman says:

    Dot says:
    March 1, 2021 at 3:35 pm.-March 1, 2021 at 6:12 pm

    I have been reading your arguments against what Figures is saying. As do others on this blog, you appear to misunderstand what he is talking about.

    Back in the 80s, because Africa was being ravaged with AIDS (and we are told still is today), I expected the continent to have a population of 25 million by now, instead of 1 billion.

    Anyhow, as an introduction to what really occurred regarding AIDS, you might be interested in watching this documentary https://youtu.be/Vq8gT0xUcKY and from there, if you like, begin to dig deeper. If you do, you will be stunned at what you will learn, if you really want to know what is going on in the world of vaccines–especially, how money is transferred from fund-raisers and the public purse through NGOs to the wealthy elite for purposes of human trafficking, bribery, rigging elections, controlling governments and funding lifestyles.

  62. Dot says:

    Doctors gaslight us as to the *cause* of the symptoms to frighten us into accepting their treatment.

    Paranoid delusion.

    They further gaslight us into believing their treatments work – even though by the *initial* metrics they’re always a failure.

    You’re actually gaslighting everyone who disagrees with you.

    Not one doctor on the planet would have thought, in 1980, “this hep b vax will actually be followed by an increase in liver cancer but I think we should go ahead and give it to everybody anyway”.

    There you go again trying to say the vaccine causes cancer with accepting responsibility.

    Your response to looking at hospital staff who are actually vaccinated is simply to be puzzled, you incredibly stupid arsewipe.

  63. Dot says:

    Ozman says:
    March 1, 2021 at 8:03 pm
    Dot says:
    March 1, 2021 at 3:35 pm.-March 1, 2021 at 6:12 pm

    I have been reading your arguments against what Figures is saying. As do others on this blog, you appear to misunderstand what he is talking about.

    The link you gave me was horrendous bullshit, which linked to more horrendous bullshit.

    Get your head out of your arse you toxic imbecile. You may as well start arguing that cells, atoms and electricity do not exist.

  64. notafan says:

    Don’t like doctors, don’t consult them.

  65. Figures says:

    There you go again trying to say the vaccine causes cancer with accepting responsibility.

    You can’t argue without lying. What do you think that says about your position?

    It doesn’t matter to my position if liver cancer has increased or merely stayed the same – what matters is that rates of cancer did not fall.

    You know this. You’re not stupid.

    Just dishonest. And brainwashed.

  66. Tel says:

    Now that we’re almost a year into this “pandemic”, anyone here actually had it, know someone who’s had it or died from it?

    I know a guy who told me that a family member (living in the USA) had died of it.

    He’s generally an honest guy so I believe him, but I don’t know anything about the family and have no confirmation other than just a casual conversation … what can you say under the circumstances?

  67. Tel says:

    Because obesity – fatty liver disease and liver cirrhosis etc have become very common. Add in optional regular alcohol = liver cancer.

    If you are getting crank yanked over alcohol in Australia, the per capita consumption is trending down … based on survey data which might not exactly be honest.

    https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/health-conditions-and-risks/apparent-consumption-alcohol-australia/latest-release

    I presume they correlate those surveys against excise collected although some of that might not be fully honest either. Seriously though I doubt that there is any significant increase in alcohol related lever disease in Australia.

  68. Dot says:

    It doesn’t matter to my position if liver cancer has increased or merely stayed the same – what matters is that rates of cancer did not fall.

    You refuse to talk about the rates of liver cancer of those who are mass vaccinated for hepatitis – hospital workers.

    You know this. You’re not stupid.

    Just dishonest. And brainwashed.

    Epic levels of projection and trolling.

  69. Figures says:

    You refuse to talk about the rates of liver cancer of those who are mass vaccinated for hepatitis – hospital workers.

    Refuse? No I’m happy. It shows how utterly clueless you are.

    Hep B vaccine is part of the infant vax schedule and is typically given to babies on the first day of their lives – many of these babies are not health care workers.

    Most adults who trust their doctors would also have received the hep b vax.

    You’re comparing a mass vaccinated group (health care workers) with a mass vaccinated group (everyone else). I have no idea how you think that would prove anything.

    As I say, I suspect you didn’t know that Hep B vax was given to babies.

  70. Dot says:

    Most adults who trust their doctors would also have received the hep b vax.

    No, you’re making this up.

    As I say, I suspect you didn’t know that Hep B vax was given to babies.

    …it’s not relevant until 50+ years from now.

    You’re comparing a mass vaccinated group (health care workers) with a mass vaccinated group (everyone else). I have no idea how you think that would prove anything.

    Because you are a dumb shit and a liar.

    You just made up “most adults have had the Hep B vaccine”. False.

    Making that comparison would let even an idiot like you see what difference the vaccine makes.

  71. Figures says:

    it’s not relevant until 50+ years from now.

    So you admit that giving babies the Hep B vax is pure lunacy. Good to know.

  72. Figures says:

    At any rate, even if the adult vaccine rate was just, say, 30 per cent, you still wouldn’t know who is getting liver cancer (the vaxed or the unvaxed). The government doesn’t keep that data (or if it does, it doesn’t tell anybody).

    In short, your “healthcare workers will save me” argument is dead in the water.

    You need to compare them to a similar (but unvaxed) demographic.

    It’s amazing you’ve wasted so much time on something so tenuous. Do you have anything remotely approaching actual evidence?

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