Jim Allan doing some hoisting

Jim Allan has some thoughts on the Christian Porter situation over at The Spectator. Very similar to my own.

Of course there is a different angle to this story, one related to this Coalition government more generally. Let me call this the Shakespearean or the schadenfreude angle. Remember your Hamlet? Remember Hamlet deciding to let the plotter be ‘hoist with his own petard’ (or blown up by his own bomb)? I ask because there is a clear element of this Coalition government being hoist with its own petard about not having insisted on proper procedural justice for others in the past and now reaping what they sowed.

Or take the whole Cardinal Pell episode. It was obvious to this atheist descendant of Calvinist Scots-Presbyterians (so no one could say my defence of Pell flowed from ‘it’s only because he’s a devout Catholic’ sentiments) that the whole Pell prosecution was a disgrace. I said so from the start. There wasn’t close to enough evidence ever to think it would suffice to meet a ‘proof beyond reasonable doubt’ threshold, whatever two Victorian Court of Appeal justices might think. In fact, and as our High Court of Australia unanimously implied, there wasn’t even enough evidence to come close to the civil standard of proof on the balance of probabilities. (Namely, was it more likely than not? Well, it was basically virtually impossible and incredibly unlikely.)

Barely a single Coalition MP said a word on Pell’s behalf. And don’t give me the sub judice excuse. The problem in Pell was the lack of a fair investigation and trial, not people commenting on that. And once the jury trial was over no one thinks court of appeal justices would be influenced by anything said. So why not then? And yet I don’t recall the Prime Minister or Mr Porter saying a single thing about how shonky and deficient the Pell prosecution was. Cardinal Pell is no doubt too nice to be feeling any schadenfreude were he to be reading about this over in Rome right now. But I bet a good few others who’d gone through what he did would be less forgiving.

Well said. Read the whole thing.

Remember the now PC position – the standard you walk past is the standard you accept. It gets worse; the standard you walk past is the standard you’ll be judged by.

Christian Porter, and the Coalition government more generally these past 7 years, has walked past many, many standards.  How is that working for you?

 

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122 Responses to Jim Allan doing some hoisting

  1. Gavin R Putland says:

    Amen. Porter is the Minister for Trashing the Rule of Law and Reversing the Onus of Proof. Hello, Christian, this is Karma, and I’m a bitch.

  2. DM OF WA says:

    I am basking in the warm glow of Schadenfreude.

  3. Nick says:

    How many of the Libs condemned the Kavanaugh witch hunt ? Sad, that’s now what SHY wants. Too bad lads.

  4. IRFM says:

    Being of similar background to thyself I find myself often sharing your views. On Pell you are correct except for one thing. The LNP governments through the last few cycles have ensured that a competent High court is in place. Results speak for themselves. Running commentary on other jurisdictions is counterproductive. Just ensure your mob is in good shape and left the Devil take the hindmost.

  5. Angus Black says:

    I have never seen anything quite as disgusting as the exhibition the “journalists” made of themselves at the press conference.

    I hope their parents are proud of the way they’ve brought them up t9 behave.

  6. brian boru says:

    From “A Man For All Seasons”;
    Sir Thomas More: You threaten like a dockside bully.
    Thomas Cromwell: How should I threaten?
    More: Like a minister of state, with justice.
    Cromwell: Oh, justice is what you’re threatened with.
    More: Then I am not threatened.

    Our piss poor Liberal Members wouldn’t even understand that.

  7. jupes says:

    Christian Porter, and the Coalition government more generally these past 7 years, has walked past many, many standards.

    This disgraceful government has recently appointed about 80 lawyers and other parasites, to spend every working day for the next few years trying to send 19 SAS soldiers to jail for crimes they did not commit.

    Now after he experiences a bit of what they continue to cop, the poor petal has to take some “mental health” leave. Just pathetic.

  8. DM OF WA says:

    IRFM says:
    March 3, 2021 at 5:47 pm

    … The LNP governments through the last few cycles have ensured that a competent High court is in place. …

    Are you serious?

    A citizen gets pilloried in the press, disgraced, blacklisted, humiliated for a decade; is tried and convicted in a kangaroo court; spends over 400 days in a maximum security jail; then is let out on the uncertain whim of the High Court?

    How many non-celebrity citizens would have survived the trauma and the ruinous EXPENSE of pusuing justice?

    Pell should never have been subjected to trial in the first place.

    We should not be dependent on the High Court for justice.

  9. Barry says:

    Well said !

  10. jupes says:

    … The LNP governments through the last few cycles have ensured that a competent High court is in place. …

    That would be the same High Court that found that the constitution can be trumped by the alleged pandemic when it comes to state borders? That High Court?

  11. Buccaneer says:

    The contrast between the Shorten memory hole and Porter witch hunt is pretty stark and the insistence that the conclusion of a police investigation is not the end of the matter should ring some pretty big alarm bells for Scomotion. Watching another Orstrlian of the year disgrace themselves and demonstrate that it’s a worthless exercise in giving a culture warrior a bat to bash the non left side of politics is particularly unsatisfactory. It seems that being aoty guarantees a lack of conscience among a great deal of other things. If Slomo can’t find a pathway to stop trial by media, his side is dead, every effective right leaning politician will be knobbled by any accusation.

  12. Davo the spy says:

    Spot on, there hasn’t been a fight of vale’s that this government and prime minister have not walked past (to paraphrase an ex Qld premier).

    Reinforced by Allan Jones last night as well was the clear double standards. How does voting for these people with no central values (other than I want to be the boss) achieve anything…my god, what are the realistic alternatives?

    Sad, just sad…only redeeming feature is we are not as bad/corrupt as the US, yet

  13. Robbo says:

    The Pell witch hunt was a disgusting disgrace and egged on by his corrupt senior Church enemies in the Vatican. They lit the fire and it was stoked by a bunch of clowns in the ABC, (hello Louise Milligan), Victoria Police and the DPP. Very few Politicians stood up and defended Pell despite the fact that no credible evidence existed that he had committed the offences that led to him being jailed. Turning a blind eye to facts reveals the frightening incompetence and lack of spine by our leaders in this miscarriage of justice. As you sew so shall you reap but regrettably in the case of those who pursued Pell so vigorously justice has not been done. Milligan continues to sail on without any contrition or admission that her disgusting allegations were an invention. The same applies to the Victoria Police involved in this gross miscarriage of justice and that also applies to those in the Victorian judiciary who gleefully participated. As for the raft of silent MPs they are beyond contempt. If an MP is wrongfully accused of a serious crime then they should look back and ask themselves whether their failure to defend Pell, or question the dodgy evidence against him, should be the standard by which they are judged.

  14. Davo the spy says:

    Spot on, there hasn’t been a fight of values that this government and prime minister have not walked past (to paraphrase an ex Qld premier).

    Reinforced by Allan Jones last night as well was the clear double standards. How does voting for these people with no central values (other than I want to be the boss) achieve anything…my god, what are the realistic alternatives?

    Sad, just sad…only redeeming feature is we are not as bad/corrupt as the US, yet

  15. stackja says:

    This whole present episode is a joke. If the “elites”/MSM did not have double standards? Would they have any? Albo and Plib will act shocked?

  16. I’m sure the SFLs think if they just double the ABCs budget everything will be ok.

    Every major attempt at a hatchet job on a conservative figure is started and/ or magnified 10 fold by their ABC.

    Rabz the lot of them.

  17. kaysee says:

    Christian Porter, and the Coalition government more generally these past 7 years, has walked past many, many standards. How is that working for you?

    The fence is a very safe perch. Sitting there silently is even safer.

    There is no need to defend Conservatives and Conservative values. After all, where will Conservative/Centre-right voters go? Just take care not to offend the left, lest you get cancelled and lose the votes of those who will not vote for you.

  18. Anonandon says:

    As I recall the great man, Dan Andrews, was not at all shy about expressing an opinion after the High Court decision. Liberals are pointless. They have no strength in their convictions. Just trying to stay out of trouble. All. The. Time.

  19. Squirrel says:

    Yes, there is much to be said here about petards and scahdenfreude and all that sort of stuff, but the problem is that the Liberals only get to govern if they can win and keep the votes of middle and upper middle class types who are (often undeservedly) so nicely and comfortably looked after in a material sense that they can afford to vote on values issues – as defined by a posturing leftist media which panders to their moral vanity and gently nagging consciences.

    The bloody, bold and resolute (to maintain the Shakespearean theme) approach would, of course, be to respond to this episode by putting the ABC to the sword and – as Mark Latham and Peta Credlin have just pithily pointed out – facing up to the fact that the Canberra experiment has failed, and radically cutting back on the role of the federal government and thus on the size of the Canberra Bubble and its toxic media pack.

    But that won’t happen, so it’s probably going to be a spectacularly irresponsible Budget this year, with lots and lots of welfare, in particular, for middle class women.

  20. C.L. says:

    Brilliantly said, Jim and Sinclair.
    My sentiments exactly.

    These cretins might not have thrown Pell to the wolves but they didn’t shoo the ravenous hounds away despite the Federal foghorn at their disposal.

    Enjoy, dickheads.

  21. H B Bear says:

    Anybody thinking this will change things is going to be disappointed. What is the collective noun for a bunch of marshmallows?

  22. DM OF WA says:

    Words of support from Mr Porter’s fearless leader?

    “I’m interested in getting Australians back to work. I’m not interested in the debate on what people want to tear down.”

  23. Buccaneer says:

    What is the collective noun for a bunch of marshmallows?

    Not sure but the collective noun for SJW journalists must be an assassination..

  24. Des Deskperson says:

    Porter must have known from the start about the frivolous and vexatious harassment of Abbot and Cooper under the Foreign Influence Transparency Scheme.

    He could have quashed it with one phone call to Dreyfus. He did nothing and then pretended to be surprised at the subsequent outcry.

    Whether he saw it as a way of humiliating Abbott over some or factional issue or difference was my first thought and it remains for me an open question.

  25. Figures says:

    People find the idea that the system is rotten just too hard to deal with.

    They had to rationalize the persecution of Pell as being justified in some (bizarre) way because to do otherwise would mean the realization that they themselves could be next.

    The scary part is that Porter helps run the system.

    And still it came for him.

    We couldn’t be any more f*cked.

    Civilization has five years – ten at most.

  26. calli says:

    collective noun for SJW journalists

    A smear

    Marshmallows?

    A puff

  27. 132andBush says:

    This disgraceful government has recently appointed about 80 lawyers and other parasites, to spend every working day for the next few years trying to send 19 SAS soldiers to jail for crimes

    Yes.
    Good that they’re not walking past every standard.

  28. Perfidious Albino says:

    Good article by Jim Allen, he’s wrong about Christine Holgate being a ‘superstar’ though.

  29. Old Lefty says:

    Whatever the shortcomings of the present federal government ( and they are many), at least we don’t have a product of the Victorian ALP sleaze machine prostituting and debauching the High Court as Hills and his successors have done in Victoria.

    By the way, here’s the latest ABC promo for Marque Lawyers:

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-03/lawyer-responds-christian-porter-allegation-minister/13212790

  30. candy says:

    Porter and Shorten in Question time with questions over their heads about the same serious offence. Weird stuff. Neither proved, nor disproved.

    I think they are both fortunate to keep their positions in today’s world. People lose their careers for a single tweet.

    Decades ago young girls could be sexually abused and hide it, from shame, fear and just trying to forget. It was simply not disclosed. Things are much better today in that regard.

  31. Adelagado says:

    Trump proved that, regardless of his faults, a man will be supported and defended by Conservatives if he has clearly articulated his values and goals. If Porter has articulated anything worth listening to I’m afraid I missed it.

  32. Scott Osmond says:

    After Pell I have no sympathy for the SFL’s. Yes it’s a stitch up, yes even if it happened it’s too late to prove or disprove the claims but when you don’t stand up for civilizational standards you can’t bitch when those standards aren’t there when you need them. Fuck him and his gutless party.

  33. custard says:

    Has Porter maybe copped some karma here in his rejection of supporting Palmer in the border closure HC trial?

    Of course that’s drawing a long bow but just saying.

    Have the media just destroyed themselves or will they get a free pass? Hope Porter sues their ass off.

  34. Tel says:

    Legally I’m sure that Christian Porter is quite safe, the NSW police will not push charges against the Attorney General unless they can be guaranteed a really dang solid case … this evidence is flimsy on the face of it, there’s no hope of conviction.

    Politically, I agree with you all, couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy … smear politics are standard now, and there were plenty of chances to stand for something, but they chose to abandon their principles over and over. The things this country once stood for are weakening and might be gone before long: free speech, truth, justice, fair and equal treatment under law. The revelation of 2020 is that most Australians don’t actually like those things all that much … they don’t like freedom, they want to be told what to do, how to live, and they love the way the crooked media industry tells them what to believe. Although police are still cautious about taking on powerful people, the regular small business owner or ordinary guy with an opinion gets no such protection. You look at those students who got the shakedown treatment from the “Human Rights” Commission, or you look at the way VicPol were treating grandma sitting on a part bench, or breaking into homes because someone said the wrong thing on Facebook … at any time ScoMo, or any of his ministers could have at least spoken up, because they have influence … could have done but simply didn’t care enough.

    Politically, even a bad ALP would be better than this lot. Seriously, even a bunch of looting union thugs would at least have a tiny, tiny whisper in the back of their brains that it’s their country too and should the Red Terror ever get going there’s no chance of keeping it under control.

  35. Turtle says:

    What is the collective noun for a bunch of marshmallows?

    Same as for a bunch of sticks. Starts with F.

  36. Turtle says:

    It’s not about Porter or his marshmallow mates. I agree with the above. It’s about accusations being enough to take anyone down.

  37. DM OF WA says:

    Tel says:
    March 3, 2021 at 8:09 pm

    Legally I’m sure that Christian Porter is quite safe, the NSW police will not push charges against the Attorney General unless they can be guaranteed a really dang solid case … this evidence is flimsy on the face of it, there’s no hope of conviction.

    Until the next accuser speaks up, and the next, and so on and on.

  38. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    How about a Poufe of Marshmallows ?

  39. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    The new covid Davos reset the accused is guilty untill they prove their innocence ,the Soviets are gone but not forgotten

  40. Roger says:

    I agree, Morrison & Porter never opened their mouths to defend Pell (that I recall).

    Now that things are more…existential for them, perhaps it will give them pause to reconsider their position.

    I say perhaps advisedly, knowing that they are politicians.

  41. Ed Case says:

    The line of questioning at the presser indicates they’ve got more to come, but Porter sounded like a beaten man today.

  42. Ed Case says:

    ***I agree, Morrison & Porter never opened their mouths to defend Pell (that I recall).***
    Separation of Powers?
    Judges in Victoria take that v. seriously, if I remember from a few years back, and the cops down there are uber keen to do their bidding, even if it means arresting Federal MPs.

  43. Cassie of Sydney says:

    The sun has set, the coffin opens and Dick Ed emerges.

  44. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Remember the now PC position – the standard you walk past is the standard you accept. It gets worse; the standard you walk past is the standard you’ll be judged by.

    Christian Porter, and the Coalition government more generally these past 7 years, has walked past many, many standards. How is that working for you?”

    Well said.

  45. Tim Neilson says:

    Kim says:
    March 3, 2021 at 8:22 pm
    So. We have very public discussion of young women raped by powerful men.

    If you’ve got evidence to back your claim that either was raped, why haven’t you gone to the police?
    Otherwise stop pontificating on things about which you’re totally ignorant.

  46. Roger says:

    Separation of Powers? Judges in Victoria take that v. seriously…

    I think the acronym is….ROTFLMAO.

    You’re having a lend, Ed…surely?

  47. Ed Case says:

    When was the last time a Federal A/G commented adversely on a Criminal Trial or a Verdict, Roger?
    Can you give us any examples, because i’d say it never happened, inside Parliament or outside.

  48. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Ed – I think some state judges in Victoria tried it on.

  49. Ed Case says:

    Yes, Sinc, but my memory is that the 3 Victorian MPs folded.
    Sukkar and Tudge were 2 of the 3, iirc?

  50. Boambee John says:

    H B Bear says:
    March 3, 2021 at 7:11 pm
    Anybody thinking this will change things is going to be disappointed. What is the collective noun for a bunch of marshmallows?

    A mush of marshmallows?

  51. Roger says:

    When was the last time a Federal A/G commented adversely on a Criminal Trial or a Verdict, Roger?

    Justified -to an extent – when the matter is sub judice, but after the verdict…crickets as I recall.

  52. Roger says:

    What is the collective noun for a bunch of marshmallows?

    A nice, soft, fluffy cloud of marshmallows.

  53. Boambee John says:

    Kim says:
    March 3, 2021 at 8:22 pm
    So. We have very public discussion of young women raped by powerful men.

    A 17 yar old in a high school debating team is a “powerful man”? Get real Kiiiimmmmmeeee, or you will only ever be effluent.

  54. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Kim – I think you’re trying to distract from the issue here.

    Nobody intelligent has ever accused me of being soft on crime. I would have no problem with rapists being castrated in the city square by the victim and/or her relatives. I would bring back the death penalty, public floggings, and the stocks. While I’m a believer is far fewer laws, I have no problem with rigorous enforcement of those laws.

    But … I do have some old-fashioned ideas – like a fair and open trial. Jury of peers. Presumption of ‘innocence’ (or at least the accuser/state having the burden of proof). The right to cross examine witnesses. I know … silly things that show me as having old fashioned ideas that have no place in the 21 century.

    So this whole POMO notion of powerful men and weak women and crap like that is just a waste of everyone’s time. There are law-abiding people and criminals. We live in a society where the state exists to protect law-abiding citizens from from those criminals.

  55. John says:

    These “liberals” everybody is mocking were voted into power by the people. They indeed, reflect the “values” of the community that voted them in.

  56. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Ed – yes they were. Probably because it was less hassle to pretend to be contrite than it was to fight the issue.

    Another thing that really annoys me – plea bargaining should be considered equivalent to contempt of court.

  57. Tintarella di Luna says:

    If I were the feds I would have sent the SAS down to Victoria and made those judges write out the federal constitution 100 times. The bit about national security being a federal matter.

    and quarantine – the spineless supine PM is responsible for the disaster that is Victoria and for the dissolution of the Federation – just like that by fiat of a fathead Australia no longer exists a useless National Cabinet has seen to that.

  58. Roger says:

    the spineless supine PM is responsible for the disaster that is Victoria

    No, Dan owns that one.

  59. Dr Faustus says:

    I ask because there is a clear element of this Coalition government being hoist with its own petard about not having insisted on proper procedural justice for others in the past and now reaping what they sowed.

    Reluctant to disagree with the perfessers because I agree about the Morrison/Porter pusillanimity re Pell, but at this stage in the game Porter is not a victim of any failure of the justice system.

    He has an accuser that has bypassed/withdrawn from the police investigation – way before the start of procedural justice – and the ‘process’ has been privately and deliberately shunted into the cesspit of press and politicians and public opinion.

    Different petard.

  60. Nighthawk the Elder says:

    Speaking of double standards, Each Way Albo on the news tonight called for the PM to stand down Porter, even if only based on hearsay and no evidence.

    If that is Each Way’s standard, when does he kick out Shorten? After all, isn’t it claimed that his little problem is only hearsay and lacks of evidence?

  61. Tintarella di Luna says:

    No, Dan owns that one.

    . Yes you’re right Roger the PM gave it to him on a silver platter

  62. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    If Slomo can’t find a pathway to stop trial by media, his side is dead, every effective right leaning politician will be knobbled by any accusation.

    The baying mob of severely educated (i.e. indoctrinated) sex harpies masquerading as journalists have sent off Linda Reynolds (Defense Minister), Nicole Flint (MP) and now it looks as though Porter is heading into the mental health sunset too.

    ScoMo should do everything he can to invite them all back to the fold and keep them there (including the ‘departing’ MP). If he doesn’t stand up to the mob by denying them their trophy heads then he is cactus himself in the eyes of voters. The Porter situation is Kavanagh on steroids, the only difference being that Donald Trump had Kavanagh’s back and stood by him. All power to Trump for that.

    ScoMo has a jelly spine.

    He should ask for the names and original document from the people who put forward the ‘dossier’ on this so-called crime of Porter’s and condemn the ABC for peddling baseless allegations. Ms. Milligan seems like a likely author. Can that please be tested? Porter should also sue Malcolm Turnbull for a character slur made against Porter on National TV. Turnbull can afford to lose a few millions.

    I am sick of it all. Tonight, while I generally applaud Alan Jones, and do so re his dislike of Campbell concerning the treatment of SAS without due process, I can’t jump onto Jones’ anti-Campbell view that his advice to young recruits was antidiluvian. It wasn’t. It was sensible and distinctly anti-woke. Jones uses it to call for Campbell’s retirement. I disagree. You don’t have to tar the man in every aspect just to prove a point in one.

  63. Roger says:

    . Yes you’re right Roger the PM gave it to him on a silver platter

    S 51 empowers the Commonwealth to make laws pertaining to quarantine, it doesn’t make them necessarily exclusively responsible for it. Given our federal system, it was entirely reasonable for the C’wealth to enlist the states as partners in a quarantine regime for overseas returnees. Morrison’s failure is assuming that Victoria could undertake that mission competently.

  64. Jannie says:

    Accusations of Rape now have the same effect on male individuals as accusations of sorcery had on female individuals at the time of the Salem Witch trials. Its a kind of feminist revenge, no smoke without fire. An accusation is treated as evidence or even proof. All Christians are guilty by association.

    But men are strong, and Revenge will be mine, sayeth the Man. Just wait.

  65. Roger says:

    I can’t jump onto Jones’ anti-Campbell view that his advice to young recruits was antidiluvian. It wasn’t. It was sensible and distinctly anti-woke.

    Indeed, and in the current climate it’s likely the bravest thing Campbell has done in his military career.

    He’s placed lives ahead of feminist doctrine.

  66. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Roger says:
    March 3, 2021 at 9:31 pm

    Thanks Roger a forlorn expectation of competence vis a vis Disaster Dan

  67. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    ScoMo’s also lost Craig Kelly due to his lack of support for a dissident and likely correct viewpoint.

    Report card not looking good, Scott Morrison. Time to grow a pair.
    Offer Nicole Flint full police protection if she agrees to stand again.
    Offer Craig Kelly a position in the Ministry. It helps to have dissidents there.
    Offer Porter complete financial support in any legal actions he may wish to take.
    Offer Reynolds complete support regarding her actions in the curious Higgins case.

    Do not let these female bullies in the ABC and the gutter press win.
    Take on the ABC, call in Ita for a chat, and get serious about firing some of them.
    This is an undeclared war and ScoMo is very late to the front.

  68. Roger says:

    Thanks Roger

    You’re welcome!

  69. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “But men are strong, and Revenge will be mine, sayeth the Man. Just wait.”

    Oh yes…and women will only have themselves to blame.

  70. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    All Christians are guilty by association.

    Being called ‘Christian’ by name must have been red rag to a bull for some of these ABC females. Let’s go get him, the cry went out, regardless of the feelings of the hurt and distressed family of this mentally ill woman who suicided.

    As stated, she seems at sixteen to have held some very unrealistic ideas about marriage, for a start, when the boy she was seeing was only seventeen. Mental instability write large there, for a start.

  71. Roger says:

    Morrison’s failure is assuming that Victoria could undertake that mission competently.

    Setting aside the security guards fiasco, has the msm picked up on how VIC ALP’s decimation of the health budget over years left the state ill equipped to deal with a pandemic?

    Not being a regular follower I can’t say.

    I suppose all we can say is thank God it wasn’t an actual pandemic.

  72. Turtle says:

    Definitely a faggot of marshmallows.

  73. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    There are law-abiding people and criminals. We live in a society where the state exists to protect law-abiding citizens from those criminals.

    My view entirely. There are laws and a rule of law.
    And then there is the media. There is no rule of media. The media, like anyone else, has recourse to the law if they need it.

    These are distinct and separate aspects of a free society.

  74. feelthebern says:

    This disgraceful government has recently appointed about 80 lawyers and other parasites, to spend every working day for the next few years trying to send 19 SAS soldiers to jail for crimes they did not commit.

    Well said Jupes.
    Before anyone cries any tears for young Christian, think about the SAS chaps getting sold down the river.

  75. mh says:

    Each Way Albo on the news tonight …

    When Albo steps out of True Thai he thinks to himself ‘Each Way Albo, they got that right’.

  76. candy says:

    Christian Porter has a cold, hard looking face though. A couple of marriages finished, Malcolm Turnbull asked him to stop canoodling and drinking with “staffer” in bars a couple of years ago. Way too old for that kind of caper. And apparently now a girlfriend who is an ABC journalist?

    I would not say he is likeable. A philanderer, ambitious. Cold person. Warmth does not emanate.

  77. feelthebern says:

    And apparently now a girlfriend who is an ABC journalist?

    No way!
    Or should I say: Awwww Sheeeeeit.

  78. Ed Case says:

    ***Donald Trump had Kavanagh’s back and stood by him. All power to Trump for that.***
    Privately, perhaps?
    Publicly, Trump was equivocal on Kavanaugh, he didn’t disavow him, but he didn’t endorse him either.
    Of the 3 Trump picks, Kavanaugh’s was the only one where he took the attitude of letting the cards fall where they may.

  79. feelthebern says:

    GWB had to make the calls to get Kav across the line.
    That tells you all you need to know about Kav.

  80. Ed Case says:

    ***I would not say he is likeable. A philanderer, ambitious. Cold person. Warmth does not emanate.***
    Who cares?
    There was supposed to have been a Sexual Revolution happened in the West about 50 years ago, yet public discussion has become so infantilised that Cabinet Ministers must now be paragons of virtue?

  81. Leigh Lowe says:

    I would not say he is likeable. A philanderer, ambitious. Cold person. Warmth does not emanate.

    Yes.
    Wasn’t that the prosecution summing up in R vs Pell?

  82. mh says:

    And apparently now a girlfriend who is an ABC journalist?

    Dillo, said it best

    Armadillo
    #3719241, posted on January 10, 2021 at 9:53 pm
    Politics and the media are interwoven. They suck off each other to survive.

  83. notafan says:

    Lol at Cardinal Pell, the wearer of ‘gardening clothes’ being one of the most privileged people on the planet, i’d have said he was one of most responsible for others on the planet.

  84. Crossie says:

    We should not be dependent on the High Court for justice.

    You are absolutely right, by the time you get there every other part of the justice system has failed you. The police referral to DPP, the DPP recommending a trial, then the trial and even the court of appeal would have done the wrong thing. It’s pretty damning that this whole legal conveyor belt had no off ramp even for a case like Pell that was obviously without merit until the very last stop.

  85. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “I would not say he is likeable. A philanderer, ambitious. Cold person. Warmth does not emanate.”

    Reminds me of what various commentators and experts said about Pell…ambitious, cold, haughty, lacking in emotion….all designed to dehumanise and convict him.

  86. Crossie says:

    candy says:
    March 3, 2021 at 9:54 pm
    Christian Porter has a cold, hard looking face though. A couple of marriages finished, Malcolm Turnbull asked him to stop canoodling and drinking with “staffer” in bars a couple of years ago. Way too old for that kind of caper. And apparently now a girlfriend who is an ABC journalist?

    What? Having an ABC journalist as girlfriend didn’t get him any extra points? Schadenfreudelicious.

  87. Leigh Lowe says:

    Pell…ambitious, cold, haughty, lacking in emotion…

    None of which are crimes last time I looked.
    But two years of ABC character assassination…

  88. mh says:

    young women raped by powerful men.

    Sounds like a Blackadder series 1 intro.

  89. Jannie says:

    We should not be dependent on the High Court for justice.

    Yes it’s probably just a matter of time until the High Court (and SCOTUS) are infected with the same corruption. But then the only alternative is extra legal, and inevitably involves violence.

  90. Crossie says:

    Yes it’s probably just a matter of time until the High Court (and SCOTUS) are infected with the same corruption. But then the only alternative is extra legal, and inevitably involves violence.

    I’m afraid SCOTUS is gone. The Texas election case refusal sunk them in Republican voters’ eyes.

  91. egg_ says:

    Now… the poor petal has to take some “mental healthleave. Just pathetic.

    Karmic, in light of the Couf we-had-to-have.

    Reap what you sow, Scummonauts.

    Is the Scummoshuttle nosediving, yet?

  92. egg_ says:

    And apparently now a girlfriend who is an ABC journalist?

    Obviously a Gliberal, then.

  93. egg_ says:

    young women raped by powerful men.

    Making you wet?

  94. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Sinclair Davidson says:
    March 3, 2021 at 9:11 pm

    Fully agree, Sinc. 👏👏👏👏👏

  95. Gavin R Putland says:

    Another thing that really annoys me – plea bargaining should be considered equivalent to contempt of court.

    Sinc is in good form lately.

  96. Rex Mango says:

    Always read or watch Jimbo Allan, he makes lots of sense. Good article at Quadrant by him about going to UK during Covid.

  97. a reader says:

    Some thoughts:
    *Collective noun for marshmallows is a packet. To bastardise the words of the great Jim Richards: “you’re a packet of marshmallows”

    *These allegations whilst clearly false are seriously damaging and there should be a proper method of ensuring those who spread the malicious stories are punished. Defamation laws are mighty complex and by the time they kick into action it’s too late.

    *I’ve no love for Porter but this shit must stop. He’s done enough in his own career to hurt his electoral chances and he should be judged on those decisions he has made as a politician. This pathetic gotyaism is below the belt and should be unacceptable in a supposedly sophisticated Western nation.

    *A 17 year old schoolboy (even if the allegations were true) is not a powerful man, white or otherwise.

    Now in general:
    *The sexual revolution isn’t exactly going well in the West lately. A more biblical attitude to using the willy wouldn’t hurt society that’s for sure.
    *Does this government actually have a single conviction? Will they have a crack at SHY, Wong and everyone else who hasn’t applied the Shorten doctrine? If not, why not? Real world people don’t believe the shit that comes out of the media’s mouth. If they did, they would have voted en-masse for Shorten at the last election and Gladys would be finished in NSW. Hey Scotty…where the bloody hell are ya?

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  99. kraka says:

    Talking to a couple of fellow tennis players last night who bought up Christian Porter and how much trouble he was in. When i said he will be able to use the Shorten defence there were blank looks all round. It is amazing how many people dont know about the Shorten allegations-and people who you think would know.

  100. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “a reader says:
    March 4, 2021 at 12:25 am”

    I think your thoughts are spot on.

  101. H B Bear says:

    SloMo notable only for his absence, as usual. Is he on holiday in Hawaii? He might as well be.

  102. Albatross says:

    Kim says:
    March 3, 2021 at 8:22 pm
    So. We have very public discussion of young women raped by powerful men.

    Get your thumb off it.

  103. feelthebern says:

    In breaking news, Porter says more support will be offered the SAS members under investigation.

    @sarc

  104. Rafiki says:

    Sinclair
    A prosecution agreement with the accused to charge a lesser offence in return for a guilty plea to those offences cannot be a contempt of the relevant court hearing.

    More concerning is where the bargain involves a plea of guilty in exchange for a light sentence for the relevant offence. The Court is not bound by this deal and may, and probably should, fix a sentence appropriate to the circumstances of the crime. Courts that go along with the deal are in a practical sense acting in contempt of their legal obligation.

  105. Sinclair Davidson says:

    A prosecution agreement with the accused to charge a lesser offence in return for a guilty plea to those offences cannot be a contempt of the relevant court hearing.

    Hmmmmmm – I hear what you say. But pleading guilty to a charge that you haven’t committed is lying to the court and defrauds the citizens who are paying for justice.

  106. Syd Gal says:

    Trying to make sense of what just happened over the last week.. Milligan breaks the story late Fri, people start tweeting names on Fri night (including lawyers who commentated on sexual harassment matters last year!), the mob on social media speculate over the next 4 days, some legal commentators say there is no chance for a trial, while others quoting the Crim Law Act suggest one could be possible based on diary entries and other materials and information from witnesses about what they saw at the time.

    Extracts of the woman’s letter are published in news.com state she came to Syd to see her lawyer (Michael Bradley -also involved with LetHerSpeak N Funnell’s GoFundMe campaign) but was triggered and sectioned in hospital (psychiatrist questioning her medication etc, long term psychiatrist baffled by this). She seemed concerned about the defence seeing her journals etc.

    NSW Police close the case on Tues and Porter makes his statement yesterday. Says the allegations were never put to him. But how could they be, if there was the possibility of a criminal trial? Or did Milligan and others believe there would never be a trial and just want to smear for as long a possible. If there was the possibility of a trial, haven’t they perverted the course of justice?

    This all sounds like what happened to Cardinal Pell, the RC’s focus on “what he knew” (transcript of Ridsdale/Ballarat hearing late May 2015) and then the main accuser coming forward with allegations (June 2015). Milligan got her book out there to poison the public. If the mob want you out, beware. God help us all.

    I’d like to know about the contact journalists/activists had with this woman over recent years, and who facilitated the Sydney trip. Also, I think the Inside the Canberra Bubble story last Nov included women who had worked with Porter and been at Law school with him. Was Milligan also looking for someone who had been at school with him?

    I wrote to the PM in May 2020 to express grave concern re Cdl Pell’s investigation/prosecution. The letter was referred to the Fed AG. Disappointingly, staff then referred me to Vic authorities Jill Hennessy (who had retweeted “we see you, we hear you” etc the day of the HCA decision) and the Minister for Crime Prevention!!

    Let’s hope there are some changes to the current state of the criminal justice system.

  107. Albatross says:

    Or did Milligan and others believe there would never be a trial and just want to smear for as long a possible

    Yes.

  108. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    SloMo notable only for his absence, as usual. Is he on holiday in Hawaii?

    Bear – he was last seen setting off (on foot) for the South Pole, stating that he may be away some time.

  109. Perfidious Albino says:

    Lizzie, I’d say ScoMo isn’t just late to the front, he’s practically AWOL. Frydenberg seems to be doing all the heavy lifting on these issues.

  110. Struth says:

    It’s nice to see the hypocrisy and idiocy of these arsehole liberal party dead shits like Porter being recognised by others.
    When I saw him on my big screen with his bottom lip quivering and sooking like a baby my first reaction was ……what on earth do these fuckwits expect?,…. while they won’t even pull the funding for the ABC! If there was a raaaape committed, Porter would have been on the receiving end.
    These people are elitist. I truly think they actually believe that in being a member of the elite, they can get the left wing MSM on side, and are surprised and shocked when it doesn’t happen. His tears were from reality punching the fuckwit fair in the gob.
    And this unconstitutional criminal, who stood by and let Pell be dragged down without utterance, who is part of the team getting stuck into our diggers, who has willingly and purposefully kicked the constitution (when many letters have been sent to him detailing where he has done so), to the curb and set about raaaaping the nation, He can rot in hell. The level of pathetic last night, of total and utter criminal uselessness on the screen was surreal.
    A true, POS.

  111. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Porter makes his statement yesterday. Says the allegations were never put to him. But how could they be, if there was the possibility of a criminal trial?

    If there was to be a trial, surely Porter would have at least been notified by police and charged? He was complaining about this yesterday. But as we now clearly know (and which various j’ismist idiots are incapable of comprehending) the NSW police made the decision not to proceed with a criminal investigation, due to a total lack of relevant evidence. Consequently, they never contacted Porter.

    Hence the incessant screeching by j’ismists yesterday for an “independent enquiry”, conducted no doubt by impartial individuals such as Hyphen-Dung, Wendy Pong and KKK.

  112. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Syd Gal says:
    March 4, 2021 at 8:55 am”

    Always like your comments Syd Gal. Thank you.

  113. Leigh Lowe says:

    NSW Police close the case on Tues and Porter makes his statement yesterday. Says the allegations were never put to him. But how could they be, if there was the possibility of a criminal trial?

    He meant by the media (ABC and Milligan) not Plod.
    Which has got the ABC all twitchy because it is a breach of their (cough) “ethics” to not offer a right of reply.

  114. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    kraka says:
    March 4, 2021 at 5:54 am
    Talking to a couple of fellow tennis players last night who bought up Christian Porter and how much trouble he was in. When i said he will be able to use the Shorten defence there were blank looks all round. It is amazing how many people dont know about the Shorten allegations-and people who you think would know

    Only amazing because they get there news from the ABC & Nein/Fairfax. No media [edit: no ABC] interest in a story: no story.

  115. mindfree says:

    Another two words however, this applies in NSW under Gladys and Speakman

    Bernard Gaynor

  116. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    a reader says:
    March 4, 2021 at 12:25 am

    +1

  117. Old School Conservative says:

    When I saw him on my big screen with his bottom lip quivering and sooking like a baby my first reaction was ……what on earth do these fuckwits expect?

    My reaction too Struth, followed by “What would Trump have done?”

    Imagining his total evisceration of the hyenas of the press has been the only positive coming out of this mess.

  118. mindfree says:

    Not equating Bernard Gaynor with Porter by any stretch. That last post was a tad confusing

    I’m equating the federal liberal govt disgusting treatment of the SAS soldiers and under Porter’s watch with the equally disgusting treatment meted out by the state liberal govt courts to Gaynor who was also in the military (Funny that)

    However, having said that those j’s (hyena stenograhers) just show what scum the MSM have devolved into. Betcha if that was say Dan from Danistan instead of Porter the media pile-on wouldn’t even take place but in the event it did, softball questions would be all about how he was being victimised

  119. Publius says:

    its amazing how much of this disappears in an instant, like water vapour into the blue sky…IF…we just sold the damn ABC or shut it down entirely.

    fwiw…scomo and everyone in his damn administration deserve this and much worse. i’d like to see a few of them jailed or bankrupted by some of these allegations. just like so many ordinary powerless folk (bernard gaynor, those qld students etc etc.)

    time for the hunger games to turn into the french revolution….

  120. Ginger Groupie says:

    I’m relatively young but have been able to understand for some time now that politics isn’t a binary , ideological game.
    To counterintuitively shred Porter because he hasn’t played as hard as you’d like is a one dimensional take. He might have indeed lacked principle at a crucial moment (shame on him) but in a relative sense he’s nothing like the sludge that is the alp/greens.
    In a ideal world we’d never have to compromise.
    An ideal world is a nice dream isn’t it?
    I find everything about the modern Liberals agenda is a “give up” to a relentless march towards socialism, mediocrity.
    I hate it , but I also can see that the LNP are the least shitty of our choices .

  121. Ginger Groupie says:

    In a fairer world we could be left to mind our own business , amd allowed defend our own hard fought wealth by whatever means possible .

  122. Ed Case says:

    ***It is amazing how many people dont know about the Shorten allegations-and people who you think would know***
    If they’re long time Labor people they’ve likely known about it since Shorten came to prominence, but they’ll never let on.

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