Savouring the moment

Cartoon: Johannes Leak

From Niki Savva in The Oz: Christian Porter: Scandal may yet rebound against Morrison:

Labor will not back off, nor will friends of Porter’s accuser, which means neither will journalists. It means it will remain a serious problem for the government when parliament resumes, and it means Porter’s political career is destined to end. That is the reality Porter now faces and that Morrison has to deal with.

Barely a day has passed since Brittany Higgins’s rape allegations against a Liberal staff member were made public three weeks ago without her story, or other allegations of abuse, dominating the news cycles.

A government that prides itself on its control has been thrown off course. At some point the damage will be reflected in the polls. If Coalition MPs are not troubled by the principles involved, and many of them are, that will make more of them even more apprehensive.

One of the ongoing problems for Morrison with these scandals that have engulfed his government, that have the potential to bring them all down — scandals have been known to do that — is that his explanations for his ignorance about them stretch credulity, not just with the media but among those familiar with the way government works, including the people who sit behind him.

Trial by media. Gutter journalism at its worst.

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138 Responses to Savouring the moment

  1. H B Bear says:

    The Bittered Sav is no stranger to the gutter.

  2. Perfidious Albino says:

    Best just to assume anything coming from Savva has been drafted or vetted by the Turnbull family.

  3. a happy little debunker says:

    I pity the family of the woman who topped herself – they wanted no part of this circus and deserve better from those assuming to ‘seek justice’.

  4. Mother Lode says:

    I will never forgive the media for making me wish someone in the Coalition well.

  5. Bazinga says:

    Aided and abetted by weak politicians.

  6. Buccaneer says:

    Amazing how allegations that either have not been tested or have been dismissed by police as not having enough evidence to proceed with charges are somehow worthy of more media attention than the corruption and bungling that directly led to the death of 800 victorians.

  7. Stanley says:

    From the pen of the partner of Turnbull’s advancer. Ignore.

  8. dover_beach says:

    I will never forgive the media for making me wish someone in the Coalition well.

    It’s true. So true. Believe me.

  9. Roger says:

    At some point the damage will be reflected in the polls.

    The same polls that predicted a Labor win in 2019?

  10. Mother Lode says:

    Amazing how allegations that either have not been tested or have been dismissed by police as not having enough evidence to proceed with charges are somehow worthy of more media attention

    They want to create a new judicial system to run in parallel with the usual one but with a standard of proof much lower – I mean, they are talking about people being punished where police and courts say proof is lacking.

    The media, of course, will design and operate this extra system. No one else. There is also no appeal, no right to face your accusers, no right to a defence etc.

    This is how low j’ism has sunk. They are so inept at reporting factually they need a special dispensation to dispense with fact.

  11. candy says:

    Barry O’Farrell must be wondering why he stepped down over a forgotten bottle of wine.

    The rules of these things are hard to keep up with, but I think with Shorten on one side and Porter on the other, they can equalise themselves in a sense about the rules of stepping down. If one goes, the other looks very dicey too, etc.

  12. Mother Lode says:

    I like how Leak shows Trumble there, slinking along with a megaphone.

    A compact of R-soles.

  13. Tom says:

    As a lefty inside the LNP tent, Savva represents the Photios platoon trying to turn the Libs into the Greens. So the only place left where she has a megaphone is the green-left Paywallian.

    Steve, I’m astonished you accord Savva any credibility at all. Her weekly column is a laughing stock. Like Trumble, she is yesterday’s man.

  14. Mak Siccar says:

    Why anyone reads any article written by the blatantly partisan sewer rat is beyond me.

  15. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Labor will not back off,

    Hypocrites.

  16. Chris M says:

    They covered for Shorten but this is not how the other side plays.

  17. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    There will never be universal peace and bidenesque truth in the world untill every anti globalist in the world is destroyed and equality is imposed on the people for their own g0ood . Removal of all conservative extree right wingers is paramount .

    The right wingers are the threat , not the peace loving decent Chinese the Uigher thing is a cultural norm like Auschwitz and the Kolyma gulags . We must havean international conference to decide theFinal Solution to the Conserative Question . May I suggest a venue ,Wanasee ,Berlin They had a famous conference there years ago regarding another treat to the world .

  18. Speedbox says:

    Mother Lode says:
    March 4, 2021 at 11:16 am

    Yes, and the pitchforks and flaming torches are a throwback to the days of mobs marching off towards the ‘witch’s lair’.

    Very clever cartoon.

  19. dopey says:

    The lady leading the pack looks familiar.

  20. sabena says:

    Note how the Australian is not permitting comments on her opinion piece.If they were,she would be torn to bits by commenters.
    “Labor will not back off, nor will friends of Porter’s accuser, which means neither will journalists.”
    Bit of unintentional honesty there-all the journalists are shills for Labor.

  21. Snoopy says:

    The Porter allegations have a lot in common with the allegations against Pell. Allegations with tons of detail included to bolster the truthiness.

    Details which when examined critically are found to be impossible.

    Water of a duck’s back to the witch hunters.

  22. Snoopy says:

    Is there anything Savva wouldn’t do for Turnbull?

  23. No evidence, no witness, zero chance of an outcome and the family apparently don’t want it followed up.

    So in the bittered savs world that need the full watergate treatment.

    I hope Porter is forced from office due to having to devote too much time to running his media empire after they are handed over to him as part of the defamation payouts.

  24. stackja says:

    I had never heard of this reporter until the Cat mentioned her sometime ago.
    I didn’t read the story above I assume not helping Scomo.

  25. BrettW says:

    Ben Fordham said this morning that Chris Smith was saying part of the allegation was Porter and deceased were in Hard Rock cafe prior to the alleged incident. However Smith has footage of Richard Wilkins opening location 15 months later.
    Calls to Hadley majority supporting Porter and damning the Press.
    Most unfortunate The Oz not allowing comments as the Government and Labor can’t see which way the public is thinking.

  26. Mother Lode says:

    Note how the Australian is not permitting comments on her opinion piece.

    Do you think the regular readers realise that the decision to not allow comments is an admission that they know that Savva’s argument is not what the readership thinks?

    If not, I suspect a lot of them at least get a bit angry that they cannot respond.

    Way to win subscriptions, kids!

  27. min says:

    Seems the left are wanting an Inquiry hope they can find a lawyer who can conduct a seance.

  28. duncanm says:

    Yup – Hard Rock Cafe in Sydney opened 1990.

    Allegations are 1988.

  29. wal1957 says:

    Trial by media. Gutter journalism at its worst.

    Journalists could once have proclaimed that they were “keeping the bastards honest”! That is not the case now and hasn’t been for at least a decade.
    They are partisan activists, nothing more, nothing less.

    Why does a significant number of the population distrust our media?
    All anyone has to do is read any newspaper or watch any news telecast to understand why.
    Opinion wrapped up and sold as news.

  30. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Trial by media. Gutter journalism at its worst.

    Nice to see Inspector Waffles Clouseau and Seven Nilligan near the front of the mob.

    The Australian is not permitting comments on Souvlaki Savva’s hit piece

    Gee, what a surprise (not).

  31. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    could once have proclaimed that they were “keeping the bastards honest”!

    Nowadays j’ismists are “keeping the bastards dishonest”.

  32. mh says:

    Snoopy says:
    March 4, 2021 at 11:31 am
    Is there anything Savva wouldn’t do for Turnbull?

    It doesn’t look like it.
    Savva wants to be ravished by Turnbull.

  33. Pedro the Loafer says:

    Has there ever been a more vindictive and vicious mongrel* in Australian politics than Malcolm Turnbull?

    He got kicked up the date by the Libs and ever since has been barking, growling and biting at the hand that once fed him.

    * (I don’t count KRudd, he is just an annoying little yapping poodle)

  34. Pedro the Loafer says:

    Another thing.

    Johannes Leak is a very worthy successor to his Dad.

    That cartoon is a gem.

  35. DaveR says:

    Savva is the most transparent of the Turnbulls/Photios shills inside the liberal tent.

  36. brian boru says:

    They are dancing on the grave of a disturbed woman after she apparently regretted her actions and withdrew her complaint.

  37. Ceres says:

    Fantastic cartoon by Johannes. The media vultures are not journalists, they are leftie advocates.
    The ABC should adopt that term when advertising positions.
    ABC:
    Leftie Advocate required for over paid position
    Job description: Go after conservative politicians and muck rake.
    Benefits: Applause from fellow advocates, job security in a sheltered workshop.

  38. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    At some point the damage will be reflected in the polls.

    Yes, the polls will show the Coalition’s support growing. People are sick and tired of this gutter journalism

  39. calli says:

    Like Trumble, she is yesterday’s man.

    Ah, but your observation is sooooo…today!

    🤣

  40. Rob says:

    What is Savva’s problem?
    She is 100% unworthy of The Australian – even The Australian of old.

  41. Texas Jack says:

    At least we can rest a little easier knowing that Blasey-Ford will be right up there with Quisling as a proper-noun converted to a noun, as in “people are tiring of these repeated Blasey-Ford’s”…..

  42. Lysander says:

    What is Savva’s problem?

    cobwebs.

  43. Perfidious Albino says:

    It does shit me that these cowards have only rediscovered ‘the rule of law’ when it’s one of their own the gun.

    That said, I hope Porter is supported to follow through and make example of some of the media, social ‘influencers’ and any politicos stupid enough to comment outside of their protected castle with a defamation case.

  44. Old School Conservative says:

    They want to create a new judicial system to run in parallel with the usual one but with a standard of proof much lower – I mean, they are talking about people being punished where police and courts say proof is lacking.

    Yes, as demonstrated so well by the female journalist at Porter’s press conference who kept banging on about “the court of public opinion”.
    A tougher bastard would have torn her apart.

  45. Des Deskperson says:

    ‘The ABC should adopt that term when advertising [journalist] positions.’

    So far as I know, ABC journalist positions, unless they are entry level or junior positions are not advertised. They are filled through opaque processes presumably involving networks, mates, ‘approaches’ and offers of money.

    I can, for example, find no evidence that Laura Tingle’s recent elevation to the ABC’s chief political correspondent was the result of open advertising and comparative selection.

    Tingle was banging on last night about how the Porter case was far more problematic than the Shorten case because Shorten’s accuser had been given a full opportunity to make her case, while Porter’s accuser couldn’t now, because she was dead.

    I thought that Porter’s accuser had had 33 years to make her case.

    In late 2020, Tingle tweeted that the Prime Minister was “smug” and complained about “government ideological bastardly.” Her professional political neutrality can therefore no longer be trusted.

  46. Dave in Marybrook says:

    Dunno about those nouns, Texas Jack. The stable of damsels pushed forward by the gaslight media, from the waifs that have an unfocused grievance like Prof. Blasey-Ford, to the naifs that think they can win undying fame like Stormy Daniels, to the third wave feminists with blackout regrets and boyfriends with benefits like Brittany… they all have subtle differences. The Catactionary-worthy noun should be foremost a summing-up of their evil handlers in the chattering class.
    Nilligan? Savva? Pelosi? Arcuri?

  47. Gerard says:

    What about Bill Shorten?

  48. Terry Pedersen says:

    Time for a Royal Commission into the matter.

  49. stackja says:

    MSM in Australia like NYC MSM suddenly discovered Cuomo has questions to answer. Porter should have just ignored all the “noise”.

  50. Morsie says:

    Very few articles in the OZ allowing comments.Its quite ridiculous.Morrison still thinks teh crocs will eat him last if he just keeps slamming his side.

  51. stackja says:

    RC into Bill Shorten?

  52. billie says:

    didn’t the original Hard Rock Cafe open in Sydney in 1989, in Crown Street Darlinghurst then closed and reopened at Darling Harbour?

    be wary of google searching the current HRC, it’s not the original

    oh and on the media, filth as always and aI don’t know why the government gives them any oxygen at all

  53. iamok says:

    That’s all Savva has. Gutter dweller that she is.

  54. Graham says:

    In late 2020, Tingle tweeted that the Prime Minister was “smug” and complained about “government ideological bastardly.” Her professional political neutrality can therefore no longer be trusted.

    It was indeed interesting to observe last Friday evening at the official party after the opening night opera of the Adelaide Festival the assorted group of persons to be seen mingling. I saw Turnbull, Tingle, David Marr, Christopher Pyne and various other prominent media figures. I presume Ms Milligan was amongst the pack as she was a Writer’s Week invitee, but I did not notice her. In her stoush with Media Watch Ms Milligan was complaining about being too busy that weekend to respond to their enquiry.

    I invite others to speculate whether or not Mr Porter was a subject of conversation that night. There was certainly motive and opportunity available that night.

  55. max says:

    Morrison still thinks teh crocs will eat him last if he just keeps slamming his side.

    Yes, just now had a crack at Linda Reynolds. Whose side is he on ?

  56. Rafiki says:

    It is very possible that the legal forum in which this attack on Porter will be continued is the SA Coroner’s court. It can summons witnesses, is not bound by the rules of evidence, and need not apply the beyond reasonable doubt standard. It also can travel well beyond a decision about what Porter did ( if that is what it chooses as a question) to make recommendations across a wide field.

    The coroner has a wide discretion as to proceed. It would be if interest to know about his past, in particular who appointed him and of any past political affiliations. And does he have daughters.

  57. areff says:

    There was a Hard Rock Cafe in Melbourne, circa 1974 — basically the former Bertie’s with a name change. Before that it was the Army-Navy Club, but that’s another story. The current HRC in Melbourne is an entirely different joint that just happens to have the same name.

    Could there not have been something similar in Sydney?

    Sydney Cats of a vintage that remembers French’s as Cold Chisel’s home base and The Oxford as Radio Birdman and the Psycho Surgeons’ haunt before it went all gay might be in a position to advise.

  58. Graham says:

    It would be if interest to know about his past, in particular who appointed him and of any past political affiliations. And does he have daughters.

    The Coroner was appointed by the current Liberal Government in SA from the magistracy. He had been a magistrate for quite some years.

  59. Lee says:

    The first time I ever saw Savva, she was on The Bolt Report on Channel 10, soon after Tony Abbott was elected.
    She was very critical of Abbott, even though he had only been PM five minutes.
    I didn’t know till a while later that her hubby worked for Turnbull, and that she was well and truly a sycophant for him, who was helping to undermine Abbott.
    I lost any respect for her I may have had then.

  60. cuckoo says:

    the bittered sav

    ISWYDT

  61. Rabbi Putin says:

    I really don’t care about this story. Statute of limitations mean anything anymore? If they’re on the left, the story is buried, if they’re on the right, it’s exhumed from the grave.

  62. Joanna Smythe says:

    As usual the Australian are publishing all their articles with the usual anti Liberal innuendo and at the same time, comments from the public aren’t allowed. Could that be because they know the comments they will get will not fit with their agenda.

  63. Terry Pedersen says:

    The diary entries and photos referred to in this article would surely be of interest to the SA Coroner and a Royal Commissioner.

    “She kept records of everything, photographs of everything that would prove where she was that night, that the perpetrator was also there. There were diary entries from the time.”

  64. Rafiki says:

    Thanks Graham. I’ll take it he is politically neutral.

  65. Lysander says:

    Thanks Graham…. very interesting! I note the Adelaide Festival had this speaker for 1 hour on Monday… (you couldn’t make this bullshit up):

    Born of Louise Milligan’s own brutal experience as a witness in the Cardinal Pell case, Witness is at once a gripping, powerful, meticulously researched critique of our criminal justice system, and an eloquent and empathetic argument for change. Including the accounts of victims retraumatised by their courtroom experience alongside expert opinions and analysis from legal practitioners – including defence counsel, prosecutors, judges and academics – Witness lays bare the flaws of our adversarial system, and the devastating impact they can have on the delivery of justice.

  66. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “The coroner has a wide discretion as to proceed. It would be if interest to know about his past, in particular who appointed him and of any past political affiliations. And does he have daughters.”

    And what is that supposed to mean?

  67. Lysander says:

    Witness lays bare the flaws of our adversarial system, and the devastating impact they can have on the delivery of justice.

    I think that’s Nilligan-speak for “you should be able to accuse anyone of [email protected] whom you don’t like and it should stick!”

  68. Blair says:

    “If Coalition MPs are not troubled by the principles involved,… ‘
    What principles?

  69. Lee says:

    Born of Louise Milligan’s own brutal experience as a witness in the Cardinal Pell case, Witness is at once a gripping, powerful, meticulously researched critique of our criminal justice system, and an eloquent and empathetic argument for change.
    Makes out like she is the victim, not the man who spent 400 days in jail.

  70. The Ghost of Debates Past says:

    Areff asks in respect of the Hard Rock:
    Could there not have been something similar in Sydney?

    I think there is a more interesting line of enquiry to be pursued. Some media reports I have read suggest that the allegation is that the deceased said that she was raped in a bath. As I understand it the suggestion is that the allegations only relate to the time of the World Intervarsity Debating Championships in January 1988.

    They seem to have been held at St Paul’s College at the University of Sydney: a residential student college. A report on Trove confirms this. My memory of university colleges of that era are that few of the student rooms had ensuites. I suspect that St Paul’s being an old long time established college would have fallen into the category that the student rooms would not have had their own bathroom facilities.

    Someone who was at St Paul’s at that time should know.

    I have mentioned previously that I knew the deceased at the time. She was bright, intelligent and well adjusted when I knew her. I don’t know what went wrong later. I didn’t notice any change in her after January 1988 for what’s that’s worth.

  71. Lysander says:

    Someone should tip Hendo on this…

    Milligan on Pell: GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY – the High Court/Justices don’t count!

    Milligan on Porter: The greens have asked for an investigation, some have said this would erode presumption of innocence and be political, but you MUST LISTEN TO HIGH COURT JUSTICE RE: HEYDON (doing their own investigation)!

    (It’s not the principle, it’s the side that counts)

  72. Snoopy says:

    It’s happening! A bag lady in the making.

    Louise Milligan
    @Milliganreports
    ·
    1h
    A quick word to everyone sending messages, wondering where I am. I am working. Very hard. Sorry if I haven’t been back to you. Cheers.

  73. Mother Lode says:

    Witness lays bare the flaws of our adversarial system

    They believe that people accused of crimes, regardless of merit, should instead be cooperative in their own destruction.

    Seriously, what is considered admissible in a trial is based on probative credibility.

    Hearsay such as the departed woman’s friends claiming Porter is a rotter, a bounder, and a cad is not rejected because of hoary old legal prejudice. It is because there are so many ways it can be wrong.

    The awful j’ismists think this ancient hearsay should be treated as indisputable. It would make their job of ‘getting’ people they don’t like easier.

    I am going out on a limb here, but I can’t help thinking j’ismists spend a lot of their time hanging around each other or a carefully vetted clique who think just like them.

    They seem to have absolutely no grasp of what people are saying in community at large, and the ‘pub test’ is happens over espresso martinis and glasses of Andean wine.

  74. Snoopy says:

    Ghost:

    They seem to have been held at St Paul’s College at the University of Sydney: a residential student college. A report on Trove confirms this. My memory of university colleges of that era are that few of the student rooms had ensuites. I suspect that St Paul’s being an old long time established college would have fallen into the category that the student rooms would not have had their own bathroom facilities.

    I thought I heard Porter say yesterday that they stayed at the Sydney Uni Women’s College.

  75. Lysander says:

    Louise Milligan
    @Milliganreports
    ·
    1h
    A quick word to everyone sending messages, wondering where I am. I am working. Very hard. Sorry if I haven’t been back to you. Cheers.

    Obviously a message to her bosses (and Paul Barry) explaining why she hasn’t been in the office today and why she’s not answering her phone… she’s dreaming up another [email protected] This time, I’m going for another conservative…

  76. Snoopy says:

    But yeah, can you imagine a Women’s College with baths? Evening ablutions would take all night.

  77. Iain Russell says:

    Buccaneer @ 1106am!!

  78. The Ghost of Debates Past says:

    I thought I heard Porter say yesterday that they stayed at the Sydney Uni Women’s College.

    That could well be right. The participants may have been spread over more than one of the residential colleges at Sydney Uni. Some were at St Paul’s. There were some hundreds of students participating.
    The same question still arises. Did the relevant college or colleges have baths or not in 1988? We are not talking about a hotel.

  79. Publius says:

    What is Savva’s problem?

    like most ugly feminists she’s never had a man who was remotely interesting to ‘know’ her. in the biblical manner. that really screws with the female psyche.

  80. calli says:

    The older colleges would have had a few baths.

    The point is, bath or not, did the attack take place and who was the attacker?

    Impossible to prove. But plenty of scope for political muck racking and innuendo. If politicians went around bumping off accusers like that idiot Turnbull insinuated, then Ms Sherriff would have had a shortened shelf life.

    Fortunately we don’t seem to have sunk as low as The Agile One’s fevered imagination.

  81. calli says:

    raking

    But don’t pass up a good racking as well.

  82. That would be 7-Nilligan who couldn’t even read her own notes in court.
    Something cops have to do every time they get called up.

    Making journalism a uni course taught by leftard longs has ruined whatever sense of “ just the facts” they used to have.

    It was forgives me in ye oldde days for mistakes as they were fairly impartial. If all you see are mistakes favouring the left then they ain’t mistakes anymore.

  83. Mongs is a word spellwrecker!!!

  84. Bruce says:

    “Gutter journalism at its worst.”

    Nah!

    In the immortal words of Bachman Turner Overdrive (and others): “You ain’t seen NOTHIN’ yet!”.

  85. Terry Pedersen says:

    I pity the family of the woman who topped herself – they wanted no part of this circus and deserve better from those assuming to ‘seek justice’.

    Following yesterday’s presser the lady’s family have joined the calls for an enquiry.

  86. Lysander says:

    leftard longs

    Thanks for the clarification FM. I was beginning to think lefties had gone off the kale soy latte onto a milk free diet.

  87. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Could there not have been something similar in Sydney?

    Areff – No. I grew up in Sydney and have lived here most of my life. I do not remember a Hard Rock Cafe in Sydney in 1988 (or anytime before that), but I do remember the one that opened in Darlo (April Fool’s Day 1989 according to wikipedia) around 1989-90 as I went there shortly after the opening. Not to be confused with the equally tacky Planet Hollyweird, which opened later in George St.

    The Silly Moaning Hemorrhoid also states the Darlo HRC opened in 1989.

  88. Buccaneer says:

    Yes, there should be an investigation into how the media can publish defamatory claims as fact before and after a police investigation determined there was no case to proceed.

  89. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    About the only finding of any interest from the SA coroner’s report into the demise of the dead woman will be the one rebutting Inspector Waffles Clouseau’s preposterous claim that Porter had her bumped off.

    Porter’s accuser had had 33 years to make her case

    Time flies when you’re in cloud cuckoo land.

  90. Stanley says:

    Given that the schools debating competition involved interstate travel for 16 and 17 year old high school students, who were the chaperones? Are we to believe that interstate youths under the drinking age for a school sanctioned event would be able to go on a drinking lark, contrary to rules. At the time we were subject to incessant Grim Reaper ads as well. Back doors frowned upon?

  91. calli says:

    It’s very easy for pupils to fool chaperones. Short of locking them in their rooms, a lot is based in trust.

  92. Viva says:

    Following yesterday’s presser the lady’s family have joined the calls for an enquiry.

    No doubt they have been got at by the deceased woman’s “friends” who are clearly hellbent on a mission of revenge

  93. miltonf says:

    I will never forgive the media for making me wish someone in the Coalition well.

    same here.

  94. calli says:

    They are noble. They want justice.

    Any man will do. And if it’s a political adversary*, even better.

    * like others, I find it difficult to even remotely champion Porter, but the principle remains.

  95. Tintarella di Luna says:

    I just love who much diversity Johannes Leak has cartooned into those cartoon cops.

  96. The Ghost of Debates Past says:

    Stanley says:
    Given that the schools debating competition involved interstate travel for 16 and 17 year old high school students, who were the chaperones?

    Two different things are being confused here. The deceased was in the SA schools debating team in 1986 and 1987 whilst she was a secondary school student. Yes, for those interstate trips to the national championships the team was accompanied by an adult coach and an adult adjudicator (and sometimes assorted hangers on or spectators).

    The allegations appear to relate to a different time in January 1988 after she had finished secondary school. The relevant event was the 1988 World Intervarsity Debating Championships which were for university students. I don’t now recall why persons who had just finished school, and who had not yet started university, went to that competition. However it was not a type of chaperoned event.

  97. duncanm says:

    .. and as with any decent University shindig, it was well lubricated with alcohol.

    Who’d ave thunk it. Young people drinking to excess?

  98. Publius says:

    duncanm….
    from the sounds of it, general campbells advice was really needed on that debate tour. not so much for soldiers who might need to go out and kill…
    “He advised cadets to not fall victim to the “Four As: alcohol, out after midnight, alone and attractive”.

  99. duncanm says:

    General Campbell shouldn’t need to be giving that sort of advice.

    That advice is for young teens.

    He’s not their parents, and they are adults.

  100. Syd Gal says:

    In the mid-80s, Sancta Sophia College at Syd Uni had shower blocks on each floor, can’t remember baths. Sancta had a lady who sat at the door to sign visitors in – they had to be out by midnight.

    And yes, where were the teacher chaperones for these young students from interstate?

    There are several reports that the Hard Rock Cafe did not open til 1989.

    Regarding some of the journalists/retired journalists commenting on legal aspects of the Pell trials/ appeals and this latest allegation – did the curriculum include legal studies? Many journalists on twitter seem to be ignorant of the Rule of Law.

  101. Nighthawk the Elder says:

    As I asked in a comment last night, when does Shorten go? If this is the standard that liebor, the green filth and the media want to apply to Porter, then the same applies to shortarse.

  102. Stanley says:

    Thanks Ghost, here is some context…thanks to Trove.

    A.N.U THIRD AT WORLD INTERVARSIT Y DEBATING CHAMPIONSHIPS
    On 10th January 1988 a few exhausted ANU debaters did some calculations of the activities of the previous week. There had been, they discovered, 420 debates on 14 subjects. As if this were not enough they then uncovered the horrific fact that people had been on their feet engaging in rhetoric, American-baiting and personal abuse for 23,520 minutes. There can be only one cause of this kind of mass behavioural quirk, and those of you who have read the title of this article already know the reason was that over 90 teams from Austalia, New Zealand, Singapore, Thailand, Hong Kong, Greece, England, Scotland, Ireland, USA and Canada were in Sydney, to contest the World Intervarsity Debating Championships.
    But enough introduction. In September last year the ANU Debating Society began preparing for the Championships. After considerable training in Canberra and Sydney to get used to the new competition rules, the ANU teams were selected. Marcus Pesman and Richard Douglas, and Damien O’Donovan and Natasha Cica, were the pairings selected for the two teams. Hernan Pintos-Lopez, Clayton Long and Simon Banks were chosen to adjudicate.
    The ANU contingent moved into St Paul’s College at Sydney University on 4th January, only to discover the number of bodies outnumbered the number of available beds, so after various threats, bribes and allusions as to the level of promiscuity of certain individuals Simon and Hernan ended up on the floor (as opposed to under the table where many of the other participants found themselves).
    On the first day Hernan was abducted by an Englishman of dubious origins to form a composite team where he debated very successfully, and Simon decided to act as team manager and hand-holder. After these developments the ANU teams donned their matching red team ties that were wide enough to serve equally well as shirts (thanks, Richard) and the competition began.
    In the next five days all the teams debated nine times to determine the 16 teams that would go through to the elimination rounds that led to the final. As no adjudications were given to the teams until after the competition it was impossible to be certain how well a team was progressing, so when everyone assembled for the Championship Dinner there was agonising suspense as the list of octa-finalists was read. So the reader can share in this agony, it is time for a brief detour to look at the social life of the competition.
    There were organised activities every night, from the grandiose Official Opening to a beach & prawn party to an Aussie BBQ to a harbour cruise, ensuring that the participants were kept sufficiently inebriated to fully appreciate the dawn debates. Of special note was the demonstration by the kilt-clad Scottish teams of the joys of being sponsored by a brewery, especially one that is prepared to throw a party for the participants and this earns the makers of Guinness a free plug in WORONI (Australian breweries please note: for a small deal with the ANU Debating Society your name too could be here).
    Back to the Championship Dinner. The dinner was in full swing when the final sixteen teams were announced, the debaters were just full. We sat and listened as friends’ names were read out and then heard . . . .’ANU 2′. There is no describing the events which immediately followed as, for this writer, they were rather a blur. At any rate Richard and I (Marcus) were promptly hustled off to bed by Clayton as we had to debate the following morning in the octa-finals. Damien and Natasha had won five of their nine debates and finished 39th, a very creditable result, but their placing did not adequately reflect their performance so they were a little disappointed. I can only say that without them there in training and during the week the other team would never have made it so far.
    The next day ANU 2 drew the good-old-boys from Maryland University (USA) on the topic ‘That we should burn our bridges’. ANU affirming decided this meant that Australia should get the hell out of the Commonwealth and ANZUS. We ran a mildly anti-American line which predictably led to an outraged American team and to a not-so-predictable split decision to the ANU.
    This led to a quarter-final against Smith (also American) who on the topic ‘That the fire still burns’ ran a case that even now I still can’t understand. By deftly saying they were being silly over and over again ANU convinced both the large audience and enough adjudicators to win.
    Finding ourselves in the top four teams in the world at our first attempt may partly explain what happened next. We had had good draws throughout the competition and when we drew Victoria University (Wellington NZ) in our semi-final we thought our luck was continuing. But a bad preparation led to a bad case and we were duly defeated on the topic ‘That the bride should wear black’.
    Opera in the Park cheered us up but it was hard to watch the final the next day
    without thinking it could have been different In the final, Victoria went down to the excellent Oxford Union team, after which the packing and inevitable goodbyes began. We discovered ANU had finished third on countback ahead of Strathclyde University (Scotland), a very pleasing result – and one we hope we can improve on at Princeton next year.
    All this would not have been possible were it not for a number of people. First we would like to thank Chris, Desmond, Russel and Sue for selecting and coaching. Thanks also go to the Australian Schools Debating Team for some much-needed practice, members of ANUDS who attended the selection debates, Lorna and the SA for putting up with our demands for time and phone-calls, Allan (ANUDS president) for organizing us, and the Australian Financial Review for sponsoring the competition. On a more personal note the debaters would like to thank Simon, Clayton and Hernan for debating with us, coaching and generally keeping us sane (well, more or less).
    ‘Nothing is so unbelievable that it cannot be made acceptable by oratory.’
    After 23,520 minutes we decided Cicero was right.
    Marcus Pesman
    ANUDS

    A typical varsity drunken event – memories erased by time and booze.

    Of course the media shills would never have taken part in such an event in their time at Uni!

  103. Old School Conservative says:

    when does Shorten go?

    That’s old news now.
    The investigation “cleared” Bill, the police said so.
    Case closed, move on, nothing to see here.

    There – MSM narrative summarised for you.

  104. Terry Pedersen says:

    The relevant event was the 1988 World Intervarsity Debating Championships which were for university students. I don’t now recall why persons who had just finished school, and who had not yet started university, went to that competition.

    I’m surprised you don’t know that, in conjunction with the World University Debating Championship, the World Schools Debating Championship was also held in Sydney in January 1988. Both were Australian Bicentennial Year Events.

    I might add that it’s likely that what has been referred to as the Hard Rock Café was actually the Oz Rock Café in Kings Cross.

  105. Buccaneer says:

    How long before they round up Albo for visiting houses of ill repute and perpetuating modern slavery

  106. Boambee John says:

    duncanm says:
    March 4, 2021 at 5:02 pm
    General Campbell shouldn’t need to be giving that sort of advice.

    That advice is for young teens.

    He’s not their parents, and they are adults.

    They might be adults in a biological sense, but they choose to “identify” as irresponsible toddlers.

  107. Nighthawk the Elder says:

    duncanm says:
    March 4, 2021 at 5:02 pm
    General Campbell shouldn’t need to be giving that sort of advice.

    That advice is for young teens.

    He’s not their parents, and they are adults.

    Employers are now expected to be surrogate parents and primary carers, even if the employee is well and truly an adult. More and more employees are demanding to be mollycoddled by their employers.

  108. Snoopy says:

    I’m surprised you don’t know that, in conjunction with the World University Debating Championship, the World Schools Debating Championship was also held in Sydney in January 1988. Both were Australian Bicentennial Year Events.

    The British invaders of 1788 have a lot to answer for.

  109. Nighthawk the Elder says:

    Old School Conservative says:
    March 4, 2021 at 5:15 pm

    Thanks OSC. And therein lies the irony. The investigation dismissed the allegations against the short one due to insufficient evidence and probably hearsay. And yet the allegations against Porter appear to also lack evidence and quite likely hearsay.

    The duplicity of the MSM is breathtaking.

  110. Old School Conservative says:

    the World Schools Debating Championship was also held in Sydney in January 1988.

    With him being 17 and her being 16 I would assume they were school kids.

  111. Boambee John says:

    Perry Masonsen

    I might add that it’s likely that what has been referred to as the Hard Rock Café was actually the Oz Rock Café in Kings Cross.

    Are you suggesting that the LSM might have made erroneous accusations public, based on getting the name of an associated facility incorrect? And have not moved promptly and publicly to acknowledge and correct their error? I am shocked, shocked, I say.

  112. Publius says:

    duncanm…
    that was tongue firmly in cheek.
    general ‘make men wear red stilettos’ campbell is a disgrace to the uniform. like them all now. depressing.

  113. Publius says:

    nighthawk
    we’ve gone from kids arriving at uni trained in latin and greek to kids requiring remedial english lessons at uni.
    hardly surprising then that workplaces are now so saddled with morons too.

    my parents generation was trully vile in what they did to their kids.

  114. Syd Gal says:

    Statement from NSW Police with further information
    https://twitter.com/TomMcIlroy/status/1367289553271189505/photo/1

  115. BrettW says:

    Despite multiple articles by various The Australian columnists on the Porter matter none have allowed comments.

    So here is my suggestion. If you are a subscriber pick a random article allowing comments and make a comment that would like a thread on this topic where comments are allowed. Naturally they don’t have to approve any which are inappropriate.

    Why are they not allowing comments when their own columnists have pretty much covered all angles of the story.

    Time for the Oz to allow comments on this matter. Labor and the Greens get to make their comments via the articles but the public can’t.

    Make a comment now and let’s exercise some people / subscriber power. Or should I say soon to be ex subscriber.

  116. duncanm says:

    Publius – touche.

  117. Dave in Marybrook says:

    There’s a word for the Morris-Marr-Milligan enablers, and hawkers of carefully curated poison pen pieces, drip fed to the media and the perpetual motion machines of the ABC breaking opinion interview and writers’ festivals.
    I’ve read it from someone, Clive James I think, using it to describe the relationship between Oscar Wilde and the young Bosie- they were not necessarily se#ually involved with each other past the initial meeting, but were probably using each other as recruiters of their respective next conquests- Wilde desiring the high rollers, Queensbury the hoi polloi. Or maybe the other way around.
    And the word is…………..
    Dammit, I can’t remember. But it is descriptive of a bit of a high-class tradition, dealing with a lowlife urge, and I remember being struck by it as a unique descriptor, which could be adapted herein to describe the Walkley set’s reliance on finding and exploiting the delusional J’s, devilish Lanes and manipulable Bittany’s of the landscape.
    If anyone could wrack their brains?

  118. Crossie says:

    Perfidious Albino says:
    March 4, 2021 at 11:00 am
    Best just to assume anything coming from Savva has been drafted or vetted by the Turnbull family.

    That is a given.

  119. Crossie says:

    Buccaneer says:
    March 4, 2021 at 11:06 am
    Amazing how allegations that either have not been tested or have been dismissed by police as not having enough evidence to proceed with charges are somehow worthy of more media attention than the corruption and bungling that directly led to the death of 800 victorians.

    Those 800+ weren’t anybody the media jackals knew or were related to, so not relevant.

  120. Vicki says:

    I have gone through the various stages of disbelief at the disregard of due process, anger in response to the obvious desire of some to punish not only the alleged offender, but the entire government and anyone who gets in the way, and despair at the assault on our entire legal process.

    Now I simply believe that this assault on a system that is not without flaws, but is unmatched in the world in attaining justice, must be unflinchingly opposed.

    Gloves off, people.

    Without a stable legal system built on precedent and honed from years of legal precedent, what do you have? I’ll tell you what you have – you have the dark nights of whispers, plots, and poisonous attacks on opponents – innocent or otherwise.

    You have a bloody return to the dark ages – that’s what you have. They can grace it with whatever name – “Me Too”, Women power, or whatever. But, at the end of the day, it is an abandonment of the edifice of civilisation – the judicial process.

    This must not be allowed to happen.

  121. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Vicki says:
    March 4, 2021 at 8:19 pm”

    Well said Vicki…I couldn’t have said it better.

  122. Squirrel says:

    Journos need to be “above reproach”, too – because just like the Tina Turner song, we hang on every word they say – so the appointment of a A Witch-Finder General and Censor of Media Morals is crucial to restore faith in the media.

    Perhaps that could be made a condition of collecting and passing on the moolah from the social media giants.

  123. covid ate my homework says:

    Vicki says:
    March 4, 2021 at 8:19 pm

    Perfekt!

  124. sabena says:

    Stanley,
    Thank you for your trouble in finding the article from Trove.Whilst university students were present,Christian Porter was not a university student-he was still at school being 17yrs and 6 months old.The complainant was apparently younger-reports say 16.It is hardly likely that their presence at such an event would be unsupervised,particularly as they were both away from home and their parents were not present.The opportunites for the alleged crime to be committed must have been quite limited.

  125. Iain Russell says:

    Our Nik, the non-Savant.

  126. Bruce says:

    If the deceased were in a SCHOOL debating team in 1987, how was she also in a University team in January 88?

    Most universities don’t even have “Orientation Week” until well into February. This is the time when the “clubs and societies” on campus do their recruiting.

    Was this January competition some sort of “Summer-School” thing, or an “outside” event conducted on university grounds during the summer holidays?

    Just asking.

  127. The Barking Toad says:

    Yes, as demonstrated so well by the female journalist at Porter’s press conference who kept banging on about “the court of public opinion”.
    A tougher bastard would have torn her apart.

    Exactly Old School Conservative. Porter didn’t help his cause by being a bit of a wimp and letting the hyenas with their arts degrees dominate proceedings – he didn’t push back and let the thing go on for too long.

    Imagine someone like Latham dealing with the scum.

  128. Terry Pedersen says:

    Was this January competition some sort of “Summer-School” thing, or an “outside” event conducted on university grounds during the summer holidays?

    Just asking.

    As I pointed out yesterday:

    In conjunction with the World University Debating Championship, the World Schools Debating Championship was also held in Sydney in January 1988. Both were Australian Bicentennial Year Events.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Nation’s largest law firm, MinterEllison, erupts over its representation of Christian Porter

    exclusive
    Nicola Berkovic
    LEGAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT
    @NicBerko
    2 hours ago March 5, 2021

    The head of the nation’s largest law firm is facing a board investigation over an email she sent to staff in which she said the firm’s representation of Attorney-General Christian Porter had “triggered hurt” for her.

    MinterEllison chief executive Annette Kimmitt emailed the firm’s 2500 staff on Wednesday morning apologising for any “pain” they might be experiencing as a result of its representation of Mr Porter.

    Mr Porter has been accused of raping a 16-year-old 33 years ago but has denied the allegations. He sought advice from MinterEllison partner Peter Bartlett, who is one of Australia’s top defamation law experts and one of the firm’s longest-serving partners and former chairman.

    Ms Kimmitt said in the email that the acceptance of the brief did not go through the firm’s approval processes, and had it done so the matter would have been considered through the lens of the firm’s “Purposes and Values”. She said she had only become aware of Mr Bartlett’s decision to act for Mr Porter through media reports.

    “The nature of this matter is clearly causing hurt to some of you, and it has certainly triggered hurt for me,” she wrote.

    From the Oz. Words fail me…

  130. The head of the nation’s largest law firm is facing a board investigation over an email she sent to staff in which she said the firm’s representation of Attorney-General Christian Porter had “triggered hurt” for her.

    What’s the pool availability on how soon Minter Ellison will have a new Chief Executive?

  131. Ms Kimmitt sent the email after MinterEllison faced criticism on Twitter for acting for Mr Porter. Anonymous Twitter users this week accused the firm of…[blah blah blah]

    The Chief Executive of Minter Ellison sends an emotive email to all the staff… based on …. what randoms on Twitter “feel”

    (she’s not a lawyer incidentally, being poached in from the ersatz accountancy world of consulting)

  132. Snoopy says:

    When it comes to women it’s now perfectly obvious that the Saudis have been right all along.

  133. However, it is understood that some junior staff had been unhappy about the firm representing him.

    So what?

  134. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    At some point the damage will be reflected in the polls.

    Most people I know are horrified by the baseless allegations, just as many in America were disgusted to see Kavanagh subjected to similar unproven and unprovable allegations about his adolescent years. There, neither the accuser nor the claimed circumstances were shown to have any credibility, in as much as time could access the truth of any of it.

    The accusations being made in this baseless case, by a woman with a mental illness of dissociative disorder and whose parents were concerned about, that are sheer fabrications. Anal rope in a bath that likely never existed, twice (once would be a difficult enough endeavour underwater), while being in the water together during the accuser’s menstrual period, by a man she ‘still wanted to marry’, sounds like a very dissociated thought pattern to me.

  135. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “The nature of this matter is clearly causing hurt to some of you, and it has certainly triggered hurt for me,” she wrote.

    Woke beat up by young snowflakes. Think they are entitled to run the show.

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    the lens of the firm’s “Purposes and Values”.

    The purposes and values of a defamation case are to provide the protection of law to those who have been defamed and wish to legally prove their case. Acceptance of the case would depend on the legal realities of the matter and the chances of proving that in law the client had been defamed. That’s my non-lawyer reading of it.

    End of story.

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Time for the Oz to allow comments on this matter. Labor and the Greens get to make their comments via the articles but the public can’t.

    Make a comment now and let’s exercise some people / subscriber power. Or should I say soon to be ex subscriber.

    We dropped our subscription to The Australian last month because of their commenting policies. We were paying for appallingly biased commentary about the American elections and comments on that bias were disallowed. Now comments on all contentious issues that might deliver an alternative opinion to some received ‘woke’ wisdom are totally banned: no comments at all.

    Good luck with getting up a comment anywhere on the Oz that calls for a change in the moderation of comments. Dump your subscription. The only way to tell them of your displeasure and to encourage any change is by withdrawing your funding.

    Something the Liberals should try with the ABC and the leftist infiltration into all major cultural institutions. Defund the nonsense.

  138. RJH says:

    Lizzie – Congratulations on seeing the light with dumping your OZ subscription, I did the same 2 years ago for much the same reasons. The OZ started going Woke/Downhill after Chris Mitchell left the Editorship, with its negative Trump reporting that was in total lockstep with the biased/lying reporting coming from CNN & MSNBC. The OZ could have saved itself a fortune & achieved the same result by not having a US-based correspondent and just reported the same rubbish emanating from CNN & MSNBC? On the bright side, I found you Cats & have never looked back!

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