Why don’t they release the CCTV footage?

There is actually a video of the night in question when Brittany was escorted into Parliament House which she has herself asked to see. It’s mentioned here, Brittany Higgins: Security guards ‘unlocked office’ for alleged Parliament rapist along with other things that seem to have been dropped from the way these questions are discussed at the moment.

CCTV that is continuously monitored 24 hours a day in Parliament House showed the male staffer leaving with no sign of the woman.

“Two went in, but only one came out,’’ a former security officer told news.com.au.

This is the second reason security officers returned to Senator Reynolds’ office to determine what had happened to the woman who had been brought in “falling down drunk” and barely able to sign her own name.

They found Ms Higgins disorientated and half-naked in the Defence Minister’s office, where she had been left by the male staffer who had brought her there.

Despite this, it appears there was no immediate sense from the DPS that a sexual crime may have been committed.

Release the footage and then let us judge for ourselves.

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79 Responses to Why don’t they release the CCTV footage?

  1. candy says:

    It does not reflect well on security officers.
    Not that they are responsible for out of their minds drunk young women but they could have put her in a taxi and made sure she got home safely instead of ushering her into God knows what.

    It’s always possible she could have choked on her own vomit or something, or reaction to a drug or something terrible, and just died on the couch alone. In a sense, it could have been much much worse.

  2. duncanm says:

    Parliament house security (or lack thereof) is the real scandal, imho.

    If indeed she was raped, then they also failed grossly in their duty of care.

  3. Roger says:

    Parliament house security (or lack thereof) is the real scandal, imho.

    It would appear so.

    As for the CCTV footage, the girl is entitled to privacy. She has reportedly made a complaint to police who should now be in possession of it.

  4. Snoopy says:

    If indeed she was raped, then they also failed grossly in their duty of care.

    As General Angus Campbell could confirm.

  5. Andre Lewis says:

    While the security guards could have maybe helped her at the time (hard to believe they did not ask her is she needed any help so it must have been refused) they did report the pair being in the office to the the Minister’s CoS. It appears that the Minister wanted her to report the alleged offense to the police but she did not want to or have any publicity about the matter so she kept her job and was moved to another office. Two years later when her career has stalled the police are getting a statement and publicity is ramping up daily. The feminist brigade including Sarah Sea Patrol, P. Wong, KKK and now UN sinecure holder, Spot Destroyer are all piling in on this and the hapless Christian Porter leaving all males in parliament – plus a few female Liberals – under a cloud of innuendo.
    But its not all being made political is it?

  6. H B Bear says:

    As usual CCC will tell you which direction people made off – or not as the case may be.

  7. Des Deskperson says:

    ‘Parliament house security (or lack thereof) is the real scandal, imho.’

    Of course, but you need to bear in mind that the Parliamentary Security Service staff, like all APH employees, work closely with politicians, powerful, self-important people who do not take lightly to real or perceive offence.

    Over the years, they would have been required to admit politicians and their friends and hangers-on in all sorts of states of undress, intoxication and lack of documentation. Failure to do so could be career limiting.

    On the other hand, if APH employees schmooze the politicians, they – the employees – can become very powerful and destructive indeed, particularly when it comes to any internal attempts to improve efficiency and integrity

  8. H B Bear says:

    Over the years, they would have been required to admit politicians and their friends and hangers-on in all sorts of states of undress, intoxication and lack of documentation. Failure to do so could be career limiting.

    Yes. One could imagine the conversation between Brittany and Mbuto before he heads off to his Uber shift. I expect it would not be focussed on the minutiae of consent laws.

  9. H B Bear says:

    One needs to be sensitive to power imbalances in relationships.

  10. Perfidious Albino says:

    If there isn’t a clear rule empowering if not requiring APH security to refuse entry to inebriated employees, there should be.

    Question: Are there accomodation facilities within APH for people pulling ‘all nighters’?

  11. Ellie says:

    Out of control women? Candy – you out of control imbecile! Have a look at men. Take a long hard look. White men rape!

  12. H B Bear says:

    Whatever we have learned from the Brittany saga (and it isn’t much) APH isn’t your typical workplace. Your average BHP mine is better run.

  13. Angus Black says:

    Possibly the video doesn’t fit the approved narrative?

    Just a thought.

  14. a happy little debunker says:

    Lemme guess?
    It all appeared consensual up until the point where the cameras weren’t recording.

  15. min says:

    Having counselled rape victims I always sensed something not quite right but allowed for the information that was dripped out from a number of sources may have been inaccurate . The issues that concerned me were waiting for 2years , why now? , going to the media instead of reporting it to the police and exactly what did she do after being left alone in the office half dressed and what time did security find her ? Evidently not smart enough to get or keep forensic evidence and depending on time she left was she still inebriated or under the influence of something else. ? Another query is the weeks spent planning her attack with someone who is also slightly suspect in his motivation to get involved.
    The minister in making pejorative comments about her must have been very angry about misinformation spread about her and thought she was safe saying it in the environment in which she said it . She must be feeling attacked on all sides even if she has been not as competent in her portfolio as some desired and chosen not on merit but on boxes ticked . Especially when there is someone like Molan in Parliament. Anyway there seems to be lots of agendas at play .

  16. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Possibly the video doesn’t fit the approved narrative?

    My cynical mind did reach that conclusion, indeed.

  17. billie says:

    has the minster been Lewinsky’d?

    I’m waiting for a stained dress or such, to show up

    ha ha

  18. m0nty says:

    Release the footage and then let us judge for ourselves.

    a) there is a police investigation underway
    b) you are not part of that process, so you don’t deserve to see the footage.

    If you want to be titillated by pictures of half naked women, there’s this thing called the Internet.

  19. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “The issues that concerned me were waiting for 2years , why now?”

    Indeed…I’m concerned about a woman waiting for over three decades.

  20. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Anyway there seems to be lots of agendas at play .”

    Just like with the Porter allegations.

  21. Boambee John says:

    Munty

    If you want to be titillated by pictures of half naked women, there’s this thing called the Internet.

    We defer to your greater knowledge.

  22. Ellie says:

    Fuck you, Cassie. You are a woman with balls. You don’t know what it’s like to be a woman. [Defamatory comment edited. Sinc]

  23. jo says:

    “Two went in, but only one came out,’’

    ThunderDome.

  24. Roger says:

    ‘Parliament house security (or lack thereof) is the real scandal, imho.’

    Of course, but you need to bear in mind that the Parliamentary Security Service staff, like all APH employees, work closely with politicians…

    There’s the problem, right there.

    They need to have protocols that are enforced without fear or favour.

  25. jo says:

    White men rape!

    Ellie are you suggesting I do? Colour has nothing to do with it. It is only some men. Get help.

  26. Scott Osmond says:

    Ellie white men? Well if only we new that removing all the white men from aboriginal communities we could have solved the epidemic of sexual assault from the aboriginal community years ago. I’m sure several women from Sydney in the early 2000s would like a word with you behind the bike sheds as well. You are a bigot and not a very bright one at that. If you were to use such sweeping terms about black people or gays or any other group you would lose your job if employed by government or a woke corporation and might find yourself answering questions put by the human rights commission.

  27. DaveR says:

    Anything that P. Wrong or K. Kenneldoggy utter publicly these days seem to be the signals for the troll pile on.

  28. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Fuck you, Cassie. You are a woman with balls. You don’t know what it’s like to be a woman. [Defamatory comment edited. Sinc]”

    Last time I looked I didn’t have “balls”. I have a vagina, a real one, not a constructed one. Everyday I know what it’s like to be a woman…..an adult, human, female. I once menstruated and now I am going through menopause which everyday causes me physical distress.

  29. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Defamatory comment edited.

    Sinc – how about removing the comment in its entirety – and the commenter, while you’re at it.

    People incapable of posting anything other than unhinged abuse should not be tolerated.

  30. Scott Osmond says:

    Sorry Cassie, reality and biology won’t help with these people. If you don’t have the “right” opinions and agree with them than you aren’t a “real” woman. Just look at what they said about PM Thatcher. If we want to rescue our civilisation one of the first things to do will be to sideline or ignore these people.

  31. Ellie says:

    Don’t tell me to get help, Jo. Focus on what is happening

  32. Mike Ryan says:

    who had been brought in “falling down drunk” and barely able to sign her own name.

    Personal responsibility?

  33. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Personal responsibility?

    Well yes. But at the same time things happen and people should be able to rely on their co-workers not being grubs. (As a general principle – I’m making no allegations on the specific incident where I imagine the facts are disputed).

  34. Ellie says:

    Spurgeon – you and Cassie are one. Libertarians is selective.

  35. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Ellie – do you intend to make a contribution to the discussion or are you just going to abuse people who shown you kindness, and supported you, in the past?

  36. Cui Bono says:

    And the senior APH security official who resigned in protest at how the issue was initially investigated? There’s a story for any real journalists.

  37. Des Deskperson says:

    ‘Question: Are there accomodation facilities within APH for people pulling ‘all nighters’?’

    Not that I am aware of. Even the PM’s suite in Old Parliament House had no such facilities.

    I spent a bit of time in the AHS and was always depressed by its internal shoddiness – in terms both of design, decor and workmanship – compared to the old place.

  38. Des Deskperson says:

    ‘They need to have protocols that are enforced without fear or favour.’

    Indeed, but I can verify from experience that politicians are very loathe to accept or even contemplate any new structures that might impact upon their powers, rights, privileges and personal comfort or even tighten up the currently very broad and vague frameworks that current cover these areas,

  39. Baa Humbug says:

    Spurgeon Monkfish III says:
    March 5, 2021 at 1:51 pm

    Defamatory comment edited.

    Sinc – how about removing the comment in its entirety – and the commenter, while you’re at it.

    People incapable of posting anything other than unhinged abuse should not be tolerated.

    Sinc, I found the above comment highly offensive and demand, DEMAND I tell you, that you delete it and the commenter.

  40. Astatine Jones says:

    Hmm, I’m no lawyer, but pretty sure that sexual assault cases can’t be decided solely on the basis of CCTV footage of persons entering a premises or a room. And nor should they be.

  41. BrettW says:

    I noted from an Oz article that Penny Wong says she met the the deceased lady in late 2019 and encouraged her to make the police report.

    Another account by deceased’s friend mentioned she had wanted to run for Federal Parliament although not clarified as to whether that was a recent thought or something from many years ago.

    I have no idea what happened in either case but what is obvious is that the longer you leave the report the more difficult it is to verify. The whole “I believe you” becomes harder when report left until many years later.

    Based on the account by NSW Police about circumstances of the report it seems she would have great difficulty proceeding to court due to her mental and emotional state. Whether that state is down to anything Porter may have done or other matters it is hard to know.

    I note Paul Murray last night said the ABC in their reporting had left out the part where her own parents had some doubts about her claim involving Porter. This apparently was mentioned in the letter sent to multiple people.

  42. min says:

    Sinc Why should we be able to rely on coworkers not being grubs.? In my long experience lowlifes appear everywhere . I shared a rented office with a psychiatrist who took advantage of teenage girls with mental health issues . Got deregistered served out the time got registration again and then did it again . His colleagues called him Shagger …..
    Here is another a psychologist seeing a couple for marital problems had an affair with the husband . Did not get caught but boasted to me about it because the fellow was well known . Also did other unethical things and ended up getting awarded recognition .

  43. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Sinc Why should we be able to rely on coworkers not being grubs.?

    Because I’m being in a hopeful and optimistic frame of mind. Silly I know.

  44. Sinclair Davidson says:

    People incapable of posting anything other than unhinged abuse should not be tolerated.

    I am generally of this opinion too. But I am hoping that our old fun-loving bubbly friend will emerge from the dark place where she currently finds herself.

  45. BrettW says:

    Ellie,
    I understand there is a web page blog called MamaMia where I guess the majority are not white males. Why not give it a try.
    Seems little point coming here to insult those of us who would never dream of hurting a female or child.
    Don’t take this as me being nasty towards you as I have every sympathy for what you have gone through. Just don’t see the point of you coming here railing against males in general.

  46. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    If you want to be titillated by pictures of half naked women, there’s this thing called the Internet.

    monster, does your missus know you’re surfing the net for nakid wyminsis?

  47. Sinclair Davidson says:

    there is a police investigation underway

    I was under the impression the police had concluded their investigation. Or is there another investigation?

  48. egg_ says:

    Why don’t they release the CCTV footage?

    Oz politics has descended to a gutter level Reality TV show, thanks to the wymminses?

    Quelle surprise!

  49. Sinclair Davidson says:

    does your missus know you’re surfing the net for nakid wyminsis?

    Zippy – are you assuming what m0nty’s preferences are? Shame on you.

    🙂

  50. egg_ says:

    If you want to be titillated by pictures of half naked women, there’s this thing called the Internet.

    monster, does your missus know you’re surfing the net for nakid wyminsis?

    Fat little fugly thinks a semi-clad ordinary woman is hawt?

    Sad.

  51. duncanm says:

    Release the footage and then let us judge for ourselves.

    no. This is not an item for public voyuers.

    Release the footage to the appropriate auithorities.

    There should be an internal investigation within the Parliament House security apparatus regarding the whole incident, too.

  52. egg_ says:

    Defamatory comment edited.

    Thank Gawd the nonebot’s not about – is it?

  53. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    Zippy – are you assuming what m0nty’s preferences are? Shame on you.

    there goes my social credit 🙁

  54. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Ellie – do you intend to make a contribution to the discussion or are you just going to abuse people who shown you kindness, and supported you, in the past?

    Ellie, I think it would be best for your mental health right now if you took some time away from the Cat. Ask Sinclair to put a ban on your comments for a defined period of time until you have sorted out whatever is causing you to be aggressive or, even worse, obviously hurt here.

    I did that once for six months for my own personal reasons. It worked and I came back before time, no problems, Sinc just opens up entry again on request.

    If you know you can only read, not comment, you can still enjoy Catallaxy but not get drawn into to it in ways that do you no good. Please think about that. You have a responsibility to govern yourself and this is a way to do so. It takes the temptation away, for your own good, as I found for myself. No-one made me do that, it was something I decided to do for myself.

    We do care about you, but you are definitely not your best self right now and that is a shame for your best self is still there inside you. Take the time to get to know yourself just that little bit more. This can happen to us at any age, the need to deal with things and regain composure. There is no shame in it.

    See you in six months?

  55. Entropy says:

    I was not aware that Brittany had gone to the police yet? A lot of talk about how she as going to do so last Wednesday, did it actually happen?

  56. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    As for Scott Morrison, he should start acting like a leader and simply say that any matters for the police are in the hands of the police, and that where the police see no reason for charges then he has no reason to take matters any further and that he intends to get on with the business of governing with the help of his Cabinet team.

    He should finish by authorising a review of parliamentary security and leave it at that.

    The more you pander to the left the worse it gets. Ignore them and get on with it.

    If he wants to institute a Cabinet reshuffle at a later date then it is the opinion of many that the Cabinet could do with it; especially in the Environment, Energy and Defense portfolios and for substantive matters of policy and nothing to do with personal behaviours.

  57. DM OF WA says:

    … “falling down drunk” and barely able to sign her own name.

    How is it even possible that any person, in such a state, could be admitted into a high security government office, under any circumstances, no matter who they were? Where else in this country would such behaviour be tolerated?

  58. egg_ says:

    … “falling down drunk” and barely able to sign her own name.

    How is it even possible that any person, in such a state, could be admitted into a high security government office, under any circumstances, no matter who they were? Where else in this country would such behaviour be tolerated?

    “Power is above the law” – an old Chin ese proverb.

    That’s what this is all about – Labor trying to wrest power from Scumoron.

  59. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    … “falling down drunk” and barely able to sign her own name
    How is it even possible that any person, in such a state, could be admitted into a high security government office, under any circumstances, no matter who they were?

    After midnight on a Friday night (i.e. Saturday morning). Neither of them should have been allowed entry and given that they were, both should have been sacked the first thing the following Monday morning (and yes, I’m aware the guy was, it’s entirely unacceptable that poor li’l Brit’nee wasn’t as well).

    The security guards should also have been sacked.

  60. The Barking Toad says:

    The more you pander to the left the worse it gets. Ignore them and get on with it.

    Exactly Lizzie. This is where Porter failed miserably – he let them get away with it.

    Press conference that went for over half an hour should not have lasted 10 minutes.

  61. Des Deskperson says:

    ‘How is it even possible that any person, in such a state, could be admitted into a high security government office, under any circumstances, no matter who they were? ‘

    I’ve explained this before. It’s clearly part of the APH culture. You are a PS1 – base level — Parliamentary Security Service employee and a drunken MP and/or one of their pets wants to get into their office? You obstruct them at your peril.

  62. The Barking Toad says:

    Exactly DD.

    I hope the security guards recorded in the log details of the entry of the two and exit of the one.

  63. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    I hope the security guards recorded in the log details of the entry of the two and exit of the one.

    C.Y.A…

  64. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Tom Percy: The question Christian Porter faced that should not be asked when it comes to sexual assault cases
    Tom PercyThe West Australian
    Thu, 4 March 2021 9:00PM

    It was predictable that when Christian Porter faced the media to deny any wrongdoing in relation to the allegations against him, that the first barrage of questions were to the effect of: “why would anyone make this up?”

    Whilst that might be an interesting line of inquiry, it is as a matter of both law and logic, entirely inappropriate. Over two decades ago, in Palmer v The Queen, the High Court outlawed the use of that line of logic by prosecutors in sexual assault cases.

    Up until then, it had not been uncommon for prosecutors to run that line of argument before a jury in cases of uncorroborated sexual assaults.

    And it is prohibited for good reason. Assuming an accused person to be innocent (which has to be the starting point in any criminal matter), how would they ever know why a complaint had been brought against them?

    Secondly, the asking of that question effectively reverses the onus of proof. It requires an accused person to come up with an answer to satisfy the court that they are innocent.

    Journalists are not bound by the same strictures of law and logic that bind courts and prosecutors, but the unfairness of asking that question in the Porter case is obvious.

    The subject matter of the present allegations occurred more than a quarter of a century ago, when both parties were still children.

    There are no witnesses, there was no contemporaneous complaint, there is no forensic evidence. There can never be a court case, or any tribunal hearing, where her claims could be either substantiated or rejected.

    Given those facts, how could it ever be possible for someone in the Minister’s position to even venture an answer as to why the allegations have been made?

    As it turned out, he declined to answer the question, which rather than reflecting adversely on him, was a reflection on the ineptitude and bias inherent in the question.

    There may be many things that a person in his position might be able to answer, but why the complaint was ever made is certainly not one of them.

    Tom Percy is a Perth QC. @percyqc

  65. Lord Snooty says:

    What hard evidence is there that one or both were roughly falling-down drunk, as opposed to decently or happily soused? I know we’ve been told that by one of the participants, and maybe it has also been said, or suggested, or backgrounded by either one of the security staff on duty that night, or by someone who has spoken to them.

    But apart from that, what certainty is there that is the actual case? Being drunk or even very drunk leaving a function, or at least appearing to be so, is no surety that you still are somewhat later.

    Cleaning up the office the next morning does imply that someone chucked up, but again that doesn’t necessarily mean falling down drunk – a bad prawn or oyster, rich food on a stomach unused to it, or other causes may have done that.

    I imagine there is lots of internal footage from security cameras inside the building that will help resolve this.

  66. mareeS says:

    “How is it even possible that any person, in such a state, could be admitted….”

    In mining particularly, one cannot enter a site without a compulsory drug and alcohol test, let alone being visibly affected. No exceptions. This also applies to many, if not most, other private industrial sites, so why not APH and public service offices?

    IMO, people who work in that culture are complicit in its failures, including individuals and complainants at the centre of present issues.

  67. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “The more you pander to the left the worse it gets. Ignore them and get on with it.”

    Comment of the day.

  68. egg_ says:

    I imagine there is lots of internal footage from security cameras inside the building that will help resolve this.

    A character smear?

  69. roman says:

    Release the footage and then let us judge for ourselves.

    Yes, because Brittany sure thinks this is a public event. Note that she wasn’t dragged into it by the media, she offered it to the media – BEFORE going to the police. That shows per priorities. Glam first, and maybe some policing for decoration. Claims of privacy are null and void at this point.

    Second, the reason for not providing the footage is that the general public just actually might judge it, and Brittany, for themselves. Seeing her falling over herself, and maybe her new boyfriend, might not gel with the narrative.

    As for the security officers, it is NOT their job to follow people into rooms, watching them to make sure no-one is getting raped. What a stupid idea.

  70. egg_ says:

    Lord Snooty says:

    You can picture the saliva dripping off the four paragraphs of justification.

  71. Dot says:

    Kim says:
    March 5, 2021 at 5:16 pm
    I can’t see any reason that this footage should be public unless there’s a court case.

    You really are a turd, Kim.

  72. egg_ says:

    Their handbag hit squad has obviously declared open lame duck season on the Scumoron Govt.

    The smell of blood in the water.

  73. Scott Osmond says:

    If the SFL’s are returned at the next election the handbag squad will be shocked. I’m now calling bullshit on Brit’nee, going to the media before police shows that it’s about the politics instead of what if anything actually happened back in 2019.

  74. Ellie says:

    You are the reason the blog is full of HATE, Sinclair.

  75. Rockdoctor says:

    On the other hand, if APH employees schmooze the politicians, they – the employees – can become very powerful and destructive indeed, particularly when it comes to any internal attempts to improve efficiency and integrity

    Ex Army mate states as much. Says there are some very protected but mean & nasty defence civilian contractors on bases. He hated it says at least when Defence ran it they could be pulled into line in uniform.

    HB, yeah BHP mines are better run and I am on record as saying they (BHP) are overly bureaucratic and amazingly wasteful for a private organisation. No way this behaviour would wash even for the SSE.

  76. Ed Case says:

    ***Cleaning up the office the next morning does imply that someone chucked up, but again that doesn’t necessarily mean falling down drunk – a bad prawn or oyster, rich food on a stomach unused to it, or other causes may have done that.***
    The incident happened on the night of Friday 22/03/2019.
    The steam Cleaners came in around 11 am on Tuesday 26/03/2019, 3 days later, subsequent to Brittany Higgins disclosing to Linda Reynolds that she had been Rapped.
    Either everyone in Linda’s office hasn’t the sense of smell, because things get pretty stinky after 3 days, or Plan B was hastily put into operation after Reynolds and Fiona Brown jerried that Brittany wasn’t going to cop it in the shorts and go quietly.

  77. Ed Case says:

    ***Possibly the video doesn’t fit the approved narrative?***
    We know that Brittany Higgins was “falling down drunk and could barely sign her name”.
    In that condition she couldn’t consent to sexual intercourse, and any intercourse that happened would most likely have been abrasive and caused injury.
    Prior to being interviewed by Reynolds, but after the Senior Adviser had left her meeting room and packed his desk, Brittany very likely assumed that he’d been sacked for what he’d done the previous Friday night.
    Reynolds must have plenty of brains, she coulda allowed Brittany to assume that justice had been done and that it was their little secret.
    Case closed before it ever opened.
    So why didn’t she do that?
    Here’s one possibility:
    She tried to bluff Brittany into accepting the sack with the intention of bringing her Senior Adviser back into the fold.
    Had Brittany had accepted the sack, any future claims could be dismissed as sour grapes.
    So, talking about whether the allegation is true or not is a ship that has sailed.
    That can be decided by a jury, should the matter end up in Court.

  78. min says:

    Ed Case 9. 09 pm More likely when B saw that her co conspirator was moving out of the office she would have been sh#t scared that she was in for the same punishment , losing her fantastic job after a couple of weeks . Did she think fast on her feet to make herself look the victim ? Many different scenarios can be presented . Did she make any effort to get counselling , plenty of Psychs in Perth so what did she expect in way of support?
    Behaviour following an attack , now this is pertinent in both cases . I cannot imagine a 16 year old being able to function at all if she had suffered as she described . Think about it The older one how was she when she first walked into the office on Tuesday ? Did she wait Three days to tell anyone ? Three days curled up in her bed getting over it ? Trouble is there would not have been anyone who whilst Supportive and empathic would be be used to dealing with this situation and observe reactions and retelling of the incident.

  79. A Lurker says:

    Why do some adults get themselves in the position of being falling down drunk? I mean surely after a couple of drinks one should possess sufficient self-awareness to call it a day if you are not in a safe situation e.g. drinking in public away from home or not with family or trusted friends. If people are not going to practice self control and personal responsibility when out and about with co-workers, acquaintances, or complete strangers, then they need to bear some responsibility of whatever may happen to them afterwards – whether causing a car crash whilst inebriated or being sexually molested. This is not victim blaming – because these people are not victims; they are the end result of their own idiocy and immaturity.

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