Why the hysteria?

Breaking News from the Age:

CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC

No new local COVID-19 cases as calls grow for mass vaccination centres to be fast-tracked

Victoria has recorded no new local cases of coronavirus for the 38th day in a row as calls grow for the government to fast-track mass vaccination centres.

Seriously, what’s the rush? As in: Can We Trust America’s COVID-19 Vaccine Injury Statistics_ – Global ResearchGlobal Research

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158 Responses to Why the hysteria?

  1. BorisG says:

    Some people want to travel overseas

  2. BorisG says:

    And also avoid future lockdowns just in case. And also bring more Australians home.

  3. Rex Anger says:

    To get the Powers That Be to stop dicking the country round and honour their insistence on vaccinating everyone (regardless of efficacy, risk or even if actually medically necessary) as a prerequisite for opening up.

    And watch the public discontent with pollies and Elf Department bugmen turn to anger if they keep trying to dance, dissemble and evade…

  4. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Letting people from overseas in to Australia will inevitably bring the Chinese virus into the quaratine system , which is not infallable ,witness the 800 odd deaths in Victoria in the early stages where a union bribe Scam went wrong , the union didnt suffer of course but the families of the deseased did . The main concern could be the colder weather coming ,as we can see overseas the Chinesevirus thrives in the cold . The mass vaccination plan would reduce the effect. If everyone is vaccinated the destructiveness of the Chinese virus is reduced to much less than panic levels and it will be much harder for the control freaks to exercise the total power they enjoy so much ,so get vaccinated and tell the globalists to get knotted .

  5. mh says:

    I want the old Fred Lenin back.

  6. John Brumble says:

    Shorter Boris:
    “Just the tip”

  7. Rex Anger says:

    Shorter Boris:
    “Just the tip”

    *Shudders*

  8. Tim Neilson says:

    If everyone is vaccinated the destructiveness of the Chinese virus is reduced to much less than panic levels

    Prof., there’s no such thing as “less than panic levels” when the Age, the ABC and Maximum Leader and his clown troupe are on the job.

  9. incoherent rambler says:

    Seriously, what’s the rush?

    Chicken Little was unavailable for comment.

  10. Ed Case says:

    What’s your position on Covid Vaccination, rexie?
    I ask, because you come across as the type of totalitarian Troll who favours coercion, yet on this thread you’re trolling your soulmate BorisG.
    What’s the full story?

  11. H B Bear says:

    The latest ‘Rona beat-up is just another get SloMo. Brittany with a syringe if you will.

  12. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Tim ,havent heard anything about the Maximum Leader of Victoria lately since his accident , not like him to do a Sniffy biden in the Fuhrerbunker, perhaps the lad is much more injured than Pravda on the Yarra and Australian Bullshitting Communists said , he was , he was going to be back in no time . The Victorian Politburo isnt letting them say anything about him . The silee is a relief after thde 4,000 press briefings he gave daily ,well it seemed like 4,000 it may not have been that many . Hes probably druged up like Sniffy biden ,but with different drugs .

  13. H B Bear says:

    Gargs, back in your box.

  14. H B Bear says:

    Prof, Chairman Dan must be OK. None of his Cabinet eunuchs have made a move to seize control.

  15. Rex Anger says:

    What’s your position on Covid Vaccination, rexie?
    I ask, because you come across as the type of totalitarian Troll who favours coercion, yet on this thread you’re trolling your soulmate BorisG.
    What’s the full story?

    Feeling a bit butthurt cos I laughed at you and your co sliracy about Uncle Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s plot to defraud Queensland of the guaranteed income of Death Taxes on the estates of dead junkies, Grigory?

    That one’s an own-goal of spectacular effort and impact. And no amount of deflection-by-projection will cover that.

    Best you go snort a pinch of powdered gypsum and harden youself up, baby…

  16. Rex Anger says:

    Prof, Chairman Dan must be OK. None of his Cabinet eunuchs have made a move to seize control.

    The last report suggests he is good for 18 minutes a day.

    That’s enough time to trigger a few shock collars on any Cabinet members looking at him funny…

  17. rickw says:

    Looking for local restaurants to take Mum and Dad out for dinner in country vic.

    An ominous number now have “permanently closed” on their websites.

    Good one Government morons.

    The least you could have done was make an Australian bubble, but no, couldn’t even manage that because you’re complete fuckwits searching for a Churchill moment in a mild flu.

  18. Fat Tony says:

    God help us if a real pandemic hits – cos our fucking useless governments won’t.

  19. mundi says:

    My guess is they want to vaccinate the population, then just open the boarders and let anyone in.

  20. Squirrel says:

    The Age would be running the story because it’s partly about the fact that many other countries have done better than us on the vaccination “roll out” so it’s anti-Morrison, but it’s also about opening the borders for travel (which is obviously top priority for a lot of media types) and to rev up the overseas student trade for our bleating universities and to resume the Big Australia Ponzi scheme for the benefit of industries (esp. real estate and retail) which want an ever-growing supply of captive domestic consumers.

    The latter factors would be why other media outlets, including Sky, have joined in what is very obviously a co-ordinated push.

    An important sleeper issue tucked away in this is that it is yet another illustration of the patchy, at best, performance of the Commonwealth government in direct service delivery and serves as a reminder that the Commonwealth should stop wasting public money maintaining bloated Canberra-centric bureaucracies in areas which properly rest with the state governments.

  21. Publius says:

    whats the issue with opening up the borders mundi?
    let those who fear – wear masks, take as many jabs are prescribed and contact-trace themselves night and day.
    i’m not ok with living like a prisoner with my freedom of movement and free association wrestled from me by brownshirts for a pedestrian illness with a 99.97% survival rate for the average person.
    literally the freedom to associate with my own family is no longer something i have a right to do.
    never thought i would see this day in oz.
    under a lnp pm no less.

  22. BorisG says:

    For the record, I am strongly opposed to compulsory vaccinations but I would understand if a child care centre requires proof of vaccinations for lethal infections. Likewise I would understand if some countries require proof of a Covid vaccination as a conditions of entry.

    In Israel after 5 million vaccinated (the vast majority of adult population, especially if you exclude ultra orthodox and Arabs where vac rates are lower but still ok), they have opened up concerts etc for vaccinated only.

    Of course Steve is right that there should be far less urgency in Australia, and it is, but for reasons outlined in my first two lines, it would be nice to hurry up. Especially to allow Australians stranded overseas to exercise their right to return to their counttry.

  23. exsteelworker says:

    “Whats the rush” vaccine now, 6 to 8 months international travel maybe, will need another dose. Arm growing out of head lol. Relax, we have all the time in the world.

  24. BorisG says:

    let those who fear – wear masks, take as many jabs are prescribed and contact-trace themselves night and day.

    Not sure if you noticed but our state leaders decided on irradiation strategy, which won’t allow entry of many people unless Australians are protected by vaccine. You don’t have to vaccinate but it is not unreasonable to give an opportunity to vaccinate to those who want it. Currently very few have such an opportunity.

  25. Publius says:

    boris- love how everyone talks abt the jab as the only way to develop antibodies and immunity.
    infection immunity is well proven and doesnt have the side effects of not knowing wtf actually happens to you in 10yrs after a crispr edited mRNA altering device starts roaming around your innards.
    and for 99.97% of us…the infection is no worse than a bad cold or the flu.

  26. covid ate my homework says:

    Publius

    +100

  27. Chris M says:

    I would understand if a child care centre requires proof of vaccinations for lethal infections.

    Define lethal infections? If you are talking about children of childcare age you would not be including covid.

  28. Chris M says:

    Also if it’s government run there is an obligation not to discriminate, private have more latitude to set their own rules.

    And how far could this be taken, is it compulsory to accept every single vaccine on the global market that could prevent a lethal infection? What about excluding children from categories or groups that statistically have more communicable diseases?

  29. Roger says:

    Seriously, what’s the rush?

    I imagine many want to get back to some semblance of normality.

  30. Albatross says:

    Their window is closing and they know it.

  31. Herodotus says:

    Just fuck off Boris.
    You aren’t here to be helpful.
    Pretty much like several others who the doomlord has a blind spot for.

  32. Albatross says:

    irradiation strategy

    I think you were irradiated in utero.

  33. Tailgunner says:

    Seriously, what’s the rush?
    Exactly, Steve.
    And readers.
    C&C Music Factory said it best I think.

  34. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    What’s the rush? Normality, as said above. And some common sense applied about Covid once the over 50’s and other vulnerables have all been vaccinated.

    This country is currently locked away from the rest of the world and if we don’t vaccinate fast then it is likely Covid will break lose, contact tracing will be insufficient, and we will get a real epidemic, not the fake one we’ve had so far. It didn’t take much to rip away in Victoria and the same could easily happen again, with borders slamming shut once more. We cannot live like this. Vaccinate all at risk groups asap, pronto and within the next month, with big halls full of people with jabs. Then open the borders and call life back to normal.

  35. BorisG says:

    Define lethal infections? If you are talking about children of childcare age you would not be including covid.

    It’s an analogy.

  36. Albatross says:

    Herodotus says:
    April 5, 2021 at 6:28 pm
    Just fuck off Boris.

    Indeed. Boris is a liar. Here he is moments ago vaunting over his fake COVID ‘excess death’ figures:

    BorisG says:
    April 5, 2021 at 4:02 pm
    Ozman, have you seen the latest excess death figures from WSJ? They substantially exceed the CDC number. But never mind! underestimate the insanity on the cat. The good thing is that this is a tiny minority of Australians, and they don’t affect public opinion in the slightest. Go on with your refined idiocy.

    He’s just here to spew propaganda and mock free men. He’s a slave.

  37. John Bayley says:

    Considering that all past attempts at coronavirus vaccines failed when the test animals were re-exposed to the wild virus, developed ADE and died, I think anyone under 70, not obese and in decent health, who ‘volunteers’ for this experimental concoction, needs his/her head read.

    You see, the influenza bug, unlike the coronavirus family, does not have this unpleasant tendency. So while the vaccine against it is not particularly effective – same as the new ‘vaccines’ – at least it won’t kill you.

    There is absolutely no way anyone can be certain whether any such horrible side effects may occur, and we will not know for at least another 6-12 months.

    Even so, it is already abundantly clear that the corona vaccines are multiple times more dangerous than the flu ones. Just check out VAERS or its EU equivalent.

    So do go ahead and be nice, obedient guinea pigs.

    And for those of you who believe that once ‘everyone’s had the jab’ the world will go back to normal, complete with unrestricted travel, no masks, no ‘social distancing’ and no ‘contact tracing’, I hear there is a very nice bridge in Sydney for sale, and cheap, too.

  38. Albatross says:

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
    April 5, 2021 at 6:30 pm

    I like your posts generally Lizzie, but all of your COVID-related posts get a hard “Ok Boomer” from me.

  39. BorisG says:

    Above all, how allowing people to be vaccinated voluntarily infringed anyone’s feedoms? Currently people don’t have such freedoms.

  40. BorisG says:

    is it compulsory to accept every single vaccine on the global market that could prevent a lethal infection?

    Who suggested compulsory vaccinations? Rollout means giving vaccine to anyone who WANTS ot.

  41. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “He’s just here to spew propaganda and mock free men. He’s a slave.”

    Indeed…..BolshevikG was indoctrinated by communists in Soviet Russia. It’s impossible to undo.

  42. Albatross says:

    BorisG says:
    April 5, 2021 at 6:33 pm
    Above all, how allowing people to be vaccinated voluntarily infringed anyone’s feedoms? Currently people don’t have such freedoms.

    This is like the Statist’s “muh roads” argument, mutatis mutandis. Let’s all pretend this is about individual liberty, ok? FKNLOL.

  43. Ozman says:

    Victoria has recorded no new local cases of coronavirus for the 38th day in a row as calls grow for the government to fast-track mass vaccination centres.

    Unbelievable!

    Just some of the side effects that have been reported from the vaccinations:
    swollen ankles, swollen knees, swollen wrists, swollen elbows, swollen hands, eyes swelling shut, lips swelling, tongue swelling, body rashes, pins and needles,numbness, paralysis, passing out, hives, aching joints,  burning sensation different parts of body, arms and hands peeling in sheets, Stevens Johnson Syndrome (skin all over appearing like a burned victim, peeling off and leading to blindness), seizures, blacking out, vomiting, extreme tachycardia (heart rate around 200), shortness of breath, stridor (high pitch sound when breathing), blood clots and, of course, more deaths than are being reported.

    From the documentary, Once Were The Living, comment from a woman by the name of Debra is screenshot at cv19vaccinereactions. She writes:

    I had a serious allergic reaction to the Moderna vaccine. Unfortunately, it’s been recommended that I don’t take the second dose.

    You would think that she would be pleased not to get the second shot, but she thinks this is unfortunate. WTH!!

    And calls to fast-track the vaccine are amplified in Victoria.

    Insanity!

  44. Dr Faustus says:

    This country is currently locked away from the rest of the world and if we don’t vaccinate fast then it is likely Covid will break lose, contact tracing will be insufficient, and we will get a real epidemic, not the fake one we’ve had so far.

    Two full tote costs: the cost of isolation, followed by the cost of infection.

    For me, the major risk for Australia just at the moment. We cannot live like this.

  45. calli says:

    I’m waiting until the human trials are finished. I don’t care if I have to cancel Japan…again. It will keep.

  46. Albatross says:

    We have not faced a more serious threat to individual liberty in my lifetime. I pity anyone who sincerely posts here and doesn’t understand this.

  47. covid ate my homework says:

    We have not faced a more serious threat to individual liberty in my lifetime. I pity anyone who sincerely posts here and doesn’t understand this.

    Indeed, this is it, whatever you surrender now will never be returned. Say NO! NOW!

  48. Roger says:

    We have not faced a more serious threat to individual liberty in my lifetime.

    OK…so you didn’t live through WWII.

    Historical perspective never goes astray…just sayin’.

  49. Ed Case says:

    People aren’t volunteering.
    That’s why the rollout is “slow”.

  50. twostix says:

    Globhomo corp I work for is already talking about requiring proof of vaccination to return to office full time, you will also have to wear masks in the office and continue ‘social distancing’ they say.

    But we’re already all back in the office on rotations. Always have been.

    They’re not even pretending this is ever going to stop.

    Like Boris above who gushes about his homeland of Israel with its totalitarian nightmare of vaccine passports tyranny, but then pretends he doesn’t want the same here (until it’s imminent – then he’ll be here casually explaining why of course you should be exiled from the society you and your fathers built).

    They want mandatory vaccines, passports, mask mandates every flu season, contact tracing, lockdowns and ‘social distancing forever. They want you to accept their new idea of a new world, and they demand you physically show you do.

  51. Dan4eva says:

    A grand cockup from the start why would you expect any sense at this late stage? Obviously the age is running interference for the useless state government and surprised the state is blaming the feds and vice versus, who’d thought. It’s a cluster all round!

  52. Fat Tony says:

    Roger says:
    April 5, 2021 at 7:07 pm
    We have not faced a more serious threat to individual liberty in my lifetime.

    OK…so you didn’t live through WWII.

    Historical perspective never goes astray…just sayin’.

    Back then, Roger, the government and the media were not on the side of the Nazis, just sayin”.

  53. twostix says:

    This vaccine passport movement smells similar to the movement then ended in an act of parliament passed when old King Henry the 8th declared himself Supreme Ruler of the universe (oh look, another elite driven revolutionary movement which overthrew the settled social order).

    This is done for the same reason.

    Do you accept the new age and order of technocratic Science!(tm) in which you place every aspect of your life, up to when you’re allowed to leave your house, what you put in your body, when, wholly in the hands of an vast mysterious international unelected midwit public health and Scientific(tm) ‘elite’?

    Download the iPhone app to prove you’ve sworn your oath.

  54. Albatross says:

    twostix says:
    April 5, 2021 at 7:16 pm

    They want all to bend knee, plain and simple. The rest of it is just today’s excuse why it must be so.

    Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.
    (Theodore Dalrymple)

  55. 132andBush says:

    I’m waiting until the human trials are finished. I don’t care if I have to cancel Japan…again. It will keep.

    +1

  56. Albatross says:

    Fat Tony says:
    April 5, 2021 at 7:29 pm
    […]
    OK…so you didn’t live through WWII.

    Surrounded by Troons, homosexual propaganda taught to your grandchildren, a colossal welfare state, and uncontrolled immigration. You guys still insisting you won that one?

  57. twostix says:

    We have not faced a more serious threat to individual liberty in my lifetime.

    OK…so you didn’t live through WWII.

    Historical perspective never goes astray…just sayin’.

    Don’t be idiotic.

    This is an elite revolution not seen since in the anglosphere since the 16th and 17th centuries.

    Forget about dumbo things like ‘rights’, the core of this revolution is that natural born humans, in our natural form have no place in the brave new (hyper-atheistic) monstrous society that is being born right now.

    Only people who have been biologically improved need apply for approval to exist.

    The bolshevik revolution is going to look like a cake walk compared to the next 50 years.

  58. 132andBush says:

    Go to YouTube and look up Nick Hudson (PANDA).

    Best analysis of the facts I’ve found to date.

  59. Albatross says:

    twostix says:
    April 5, 2021 at 7:50 pm

    Exactly. We’re in a whole heap of trouble.

  60. Neil says:

    I’m waiting until the human trials are finished. I don’t care if I have to cancel Japan…again. It will keep.

    I guess you mean since the Politicians have got the vaccine first they are going to be the guinea pigs. Good idea actually.

  61. Fat Tony says:

    Albatross says:
    April 5, 2021 at 7:36 pm
    Fat Tony says:
    April 5, 2021 at 7:29 pm
    […]
    OK…so you didn’t live through WWII.

    Surrounded by Troons, homosexual propaganda taught to your grandchildren, a colossal welfare state, and uncontrolled immigration. You guys still insisting you won that one?

    Albatross – I didn’t make that remark about WWII – it was Roger what done it.

  62. Albatross says:

    Sorry Big Guy.

  63. Albatross says:

    Roger, am glad you guys won Dubya Dubya Too and Germany was never again able to dominate Europe.

  64. Kneel says:

    “and for 99.97% of us…the infection is no worse than a bad cold or the flu.”

    While the link in the main article says the EU is experiencing 4.6/1,000 adverse reactions, which is 0.46%. The gender difference being unexplained is more than a little scary.
    No long term data can currently be available, so we would have to wait and see for that.

    Given the now quite mature treatment regimes, with fatality rate having plummeted, I’m not really seeing a medical advantage to getting “the jab”.

    I guess there are more than a few with the same view – and that is the reason for the talk about a “vaccine passport”.

    I certainly oppose this “passport” idea in its entirety, however if it does go ahead, it should be an “immunity passport”. If you have had a confirmed case and recovered, then you would be as immune – and probably more so – than anyone vaccinated. Why should you need to get a vaccine when you’re already immune?

  65. mh says:

    The Cats who don’t understand the threat are the ones who question why someone would post a video from Russell Brand or Naomi Wolf. Or they howl at a link to Clive Hamilton detailing the influence of the CCP in Western seats of power.

  66. mh:

    The Cats who don’t understand the threat are the ones who question why someone would post a video from Russell Brand or Naomi Wolf. Or they howl at a link to Clive Hamilton detailing the influence of the CCP in Western seats of power.

    + lots.

  67. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “mh says:
    April 5, 2021 at 8:21 pm
    The Cats who don’t understand the threat are the ones who question why someone would post a video from Russell Brand or Naomi Wolf. Or they howl at a link to Clive Hamilton detailing the influence of the CCP in Western seats of power.”

    Very true.

  68. Rex Anger says:

    Given the now quite mature treatment regimes, with fatality rate having plummeted, I’m not really seeing a medical advantage to getting “the jab”.

    I guess there are more than a few with the same view – and that is the reason for the talk about a “vaccine passport”.

    Pretty much.

    I want to see the bugmen at least properly attempt to carry through on their insistent caveat to letting us all out again.

    It is near-universal that the policies have been poorly thought through, and the perpetrators are trying to rely on spin, programmed popular fear and general ignorance to at least minimise any accountability they will face foe what they’ve done.

    Understanding that the Age is playing at ‘Get Scomo,’ I think there is merit to Cats also declaring “C’mon, then!” to our ‘leaders’ and ‘betters’ who continuously dangled the carrot of vaccination-linked release to prevent their lynching during the lockdowns.

    At worst, people will get jabbed, the whole C00f hysteria will collapse under the weight of its own lies and contradictions, and the crony corporates will ultimately decide that the extra bureaucracy is economically ubsustainable.

    At best, the collapse will occur rapidly, and the bugmen and crony corporatists will be exposed, in flagrante delicto.

  69. Rex Anger says:

    At best, the collapse will occur rapidly, and the bugmen and crony corporatists will be exposed, in flagrante delicto.

    I like to consider myself something of an optimist…😈

  70. Boambee John says:

    Roger says:
    April 5, 2021 at 6:22 pm
    Seriously, what’s the rush?

    I imagine many want to get back to some semblance of normality.

    Not if it involves a return of the immigration Ponzi and the “student” permanent residence rort.

  71. Ozman says:

    132andBush says:
    April 5, 2021 at 7:50 pm
    Go to YouTube and look up Nick Hudson (PANDA).

    Looked him up (https://www.biznews.com/undictated/2021/03/30/covid-19-lockdown-panda) and found this regarding the life threatening pandemic:

    When I say it’s a false narrative, I’m telling you that every single element of this narrative is false. The narrative says that there’s a deadly virus spreading across the planet – that nobody’s immune to it. And there’s no cure. Even asymptomatic people can spread it and are major drivers of the epidemic of disease.

    And, unless we lockdown and wear our masks – until vaccines arrive and everybody gets vaccinated – we’re all going to die. Anybody who challenges this narrative is a lunatic, a menace, a danger to society, hence the suppression that Alec [Hogg] was talking about. But it is – and always has been – absolutely clear to us that no element of this narrative is justified in the face of reality.

  72. Albatross says:

    I certainly oppose this “passport” idea in its entirety, however if it does go ahead, it should be an “immunity passport”.

    That’s the winning spirit!

  73. Fat Tony says:

    Albatross says:
    April 5, 2021 at 9:02 pm
    I certainly oppose this “passport” idea in its entirety, however if it does go ahead, it should be an “immunity passport”.

    That’s the winning spirit!

    Yep !! That’ll show ém we’re not to be trifled with…..

  74. Gerry says:

    Why aren’t we talking about deaths rather than cases ……no deaths since 28th December and before that, 30th November ……….there will always be cases …

  75. Lutz says:

    The bit I don’t understand is when you have a concert and everyone needs to have proof of vaccination, what difference does it make if a few people show up who haven’t been vaccinated. Maybe they can infect one another.

  76. Dave of Reedy Creek Qld says:

    Just a little aside from Queensland. About 80% of the population is walking around in masks made in China. Makes one wonder who has shares in what and who is paying who with a state wide mask imposition.

  77. Leon L says:

    The vaccines have been given emergency use authorisation by the TGA.

    If there was an effective treatment for covid-19, emergency use authorisation would be denied.
    The vaccines are experimental medicines.

    The Nuremberg Code applies.

    No one can ethically be forced to have an experimental treatment.

    Decisions must be made logically and on evidence not emotionally and on feelings.
    COVID derangement syndrome is dwarfing Trump derangement syndrome.

  78. Rex Anger says:

    No one can ethically be forced to have an experimental treatment.

    Has anyone told Alan Joyce or the ‘C00f Passport or No Life’ crowd this?

  79. BorisG says:

    Not if it involves a return of the immigration Ponzi and the “student” permanent residence rort.

    quite reasonable concerns but it is a weird way to address them through lack of vaccine.

  80. Mike (MJB Wolf) says:

    One might ask “Why the rush to force experimental therapies on healthy people?” This was never a goal of public health agencies before.

  81. Mike (MJB Wolf) says:

    If the “vaccine” does not provide lasting immunity what good is it?

  82. BorisG says:

    Like Boris above who gushes about his homeland of Israel with its totalitarian nightmare of vaccine passports tyranny, but then pretends he doesn’t want the same here.

    I said I am opposed to compulsory vaccinations, i am ok with immunity/vac passports. We have these for measles, why not have them for Covid.

    Israel vaccination pace is the envy of the world, except for a tiny proportion of fact-denying idiots overrepresented here on cat.

    Mass vaccination is a path to freedom, not enslavement.

  83. Entropy says:

    I reckon the slow roll out is because most normal people ( eg not journalists) don’t think there is any need to rush.

    PNG needs it more than us anyway.

  84. Fat Tony says:

    BorisG says:
    April 5, 2021 at 10:09 pm
    ….except for a tiny proportion of fact-denying idiots overrepresented here on cat.

    I suppose that’s everyone who disagrees with your Bolshie bullshit.”

    “Mass vaccination is a path to freedom, not enslavement”
    Actually an experimental treatment, not vaccine – it could quite likely be a path to an early death.

    So tell me, fuckwit, why anyone should risk any vaccine/experimental treatment when the chances of dying from this ‘flu are so small?? (Especially young people).

    Instead of more of your crap, please answer my question above.

  85. BorisG says:

    I reckon the slow roll out is because most normal people ( eg not journalists) don’t think there is any need to rush.

    Almost everyone I asked wants a shot ASAP, though not desperately. They just can’t get it due to government mess.

  86. MatrixTransform says:

    why not have them for Covid.

    because you psychopath, you are still implicitly advocating for segregation

    mark of the beast.

    so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast

  87. BorisG says:

    So tell me, fuckwit, why anyone should risk any vaccine/experimental treatment when the chances of dying from this ‘flu are so small?? (Especially young people).

    let’s wait for a fuckwit to come here and answer.

  88. Chris M says:

    Mass vaccination is a path to freedom, not enslavement.

    This sounds like it could be a slogan to put over a city entry gate for example.

  89. MatrixTransform says:

    point of a gun Boris .

    try it

  90. BorisG says:

    you are still implicitly advocating for segregation

    but we do have segregation for measles.

  91. MatrixTransform says:

    idiot

  92. Gorgiasl says:

    I know Wikipedia can’t be trusted but this is what it says about Michel Chossudovsky who is head of the Center for Research on Globalisation – the publisher of this report.

    Is this another conspiracy theory?

  93. mh says:

    Mass vaccination is a path to freedom, not enslavement.

    Yes Boris, and The Great Reset is a conspiracy, just like Justin said, even though it was the theme of Davos.

    And don’t forget

    Arbeit Macht Frei

  94. Entropy says:

    Mrs Entropy got one on Thursday. Only because work was demanding everyone get it being a health worker.

    Friday night she had a headache. Or at least she claimed she did. No other side effects other than tiredness.

  95. MatrixTransform says:

    what we don’t do is shut down economies for measles.

    and this is how much of a fucking idiot you are Boz.

  96. MatrixTransform says:

    go on … do a wiki on measles mortality and make a comparison to covid

    you absolute fucking retard

  97. Fat Tony says:

    BorisG

    Newsflash – the fuckwit to whom I was referring is you

    So, you not going to answer my question?

  98. MatrixTransform says:

    I’m a bit sick and tired of listening cvnts like Boz

    …just sayin’

  99. chrism says:

    VaxPass Macht Frei

  100. Rockdoctor says:

    Dave. Pretty simple, Young’s incompetence. She’s got nothing right. Neither has Miles, Palace”chook” or even the silent opposition…

    The lot of them are to blame…

  101. BorisG says:

    I’m a bit sick and tired of listening cvnts like Boz

    of course you’d rather listen to fact free rant of idiots here. Good night!

  102. MatrixTransform says:

    fuck of you bobble headed wanker

  103. MatrixTransform says:

    personally, I’d prefer you died in your sleep.

  104. Albatross says:

    Fuck off Boris. You won’t be missed you cockhead.

  105. caveman says:

    Mass vaccination is a path to freedom, not enslavement.

    Yeah, that’s a keeper. :p

  106. Albatross says:

    caveman says:
    April 6, 2021 at 12:06 am
    Mass vaccination is a path to freedom, not enslavement.

    Yeah, that’s a keeper. :p

    Arbeit macht frei.

  107. Albatross says:

    chrism says:
    April 5, 2021 at 11:25 pm
    VaxPass Macht Frei

    Sorry. Stole this. Yes.

  108. Rayvic says:

    Indeed, why the hysteria? It is irrational media beatup. There are virtually no locally acquired cases of the virus. In any case, if people get vaccinated now, they will have to line up again in 12 months. Besides many people know that the vaccine is still experimental.

  109. Figures says:

    Boris the communist: “I’m strongly against compulsory vaccinations”.

    Also Boris the communist: “I believe businesses have the right to seek out private health information from the government in order to punish and exclude anybody who hasn’t been vaccinated”.

    Typical communist. They see obvious coercion and claim that it’s “voluntary”. Like how the Stasi and KGB always needed confessions.

  110. Figures says:

    go on … do a wiki on measles mortality and make a comparison to covid

    You’ve fallen for the communist’s trap. You’ve accepted his logic and you’re merely arguing how broadly you want to apply it.

    Measles mortality uses completely made up numbers.

    The mortality rate for measles comes from countries in sub-Saharan Africa with no useful cause of death data.

    AKA completely made up.

    The WHO simply assumed millions of people died of measles in sub-Saharan Africa. They also assumed their vaccine programs worked – thereby saving millions of people.

    All of this was done on a spreadsheet. Not a single measles death was counted – not even a sample.

    In countries with actual cause of death data, measles mortality before the vaccine was trivial.

    The fact is that there is zero danger from any disease spreading to anyone. If there was, nobody in history would have visited – let alone become – a doctor.

  111. Shy Ted says:

    Because the plan isn’t going to plan.

  112. Ozman says:

    Facebook calls woman’s post about her severe reaction to the COVID injection FAKE, then the woman dies. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/facebook-fact-checks-womans-post-vaccines-adverse-reaction-one-week-killed/

    25-year-old pre-school teacher Desiree Penrod took the Covid vaccine in early March. She then posted on Facebook that “The vaccine is killing me” describing her adverse reaction to the coronavirus vaccine. Facebook flagged the post as fake news.

  113. Mak Siccar says:

    Scary stuff from today’s Oz. But it couldn’t happen here ……

    Where has freedom-loving UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson gone?
    JACQUELIN MAGNAY

    The goalposts keep moving and the British nation is restive.

    Citizens, having had their COVID-19 jabs, want to get back to a normal, mask-less life filled with joyful hugging, freedom and travelling — but the British government has other ideas.

    Boris Johnson’s latest address to the nation this morning has been received as a damp squib, and his prime ministerial message, rather than confirming a moral-boosting opening of freedoms has confirmed what many civil libertarians feared — even more control.

    The freedom-loving persona of Mr Johnson disappeared exactly 12 months ago when he was hospitalised with coronavirus and his tepid response ever since has been a disappointment. His nickname now is Captain Cautious.

    The huge success of the vaccination program in the UK, which has seen daily death rates attributed to the coronavirus plummet from 1800 a day in January to just 10 on Sunday has not been reflected in the lifting of lockdown measures. Why is Britain not capitalising on its medical triumph and boosting the shattered economy as quick as can be?

    (REUTERS1:26
    Covid tests twice a week to get UK out of lockdown
    People in England will be offered a free rapid COVID-19 test twice a week, as part of plans to further ease Britain’s lockdown and open shops, pubs, and restaurants. Flora Bradley-Watson reports.)

    While 32 million vaccine doses have been given to the over-50s, medical workers and the most vulnerable, there is a paralysis among the decision-makers.

    For only the past week has the public been able to sit on a park bench without being arrested and they still can’t stay overnight at any place except home.

    Mr Johnson wants the British public to be satisfied that shops and hairdressers will reopen next Monday — the first time in nearly five months.

    Holidays are off the agenda, with any announcement about a traffic light system of countries further delayed amid dire warnings that the May 17 vacation reopening may be postponed.

    “Don’t book your holidays,” Mr Johnson said as he warned gloomily of the wicked coronavirus variants that might posed more risk to the public. But not to worry, he assured everyone, he will be in an outdoor pub garden to have a pint next Monday, when such luxuries are finally allowed.

    UK looks with hope towards June 21 when ‘restrictions will be no more’.
    Independent journalist Will Godley says the United Kingdom is looking hopefully towards June 21 when the majority of its COVID restrictions are set to ease following the latest relaxation of lockdown rules.

    These latest doom-laden government communications have the public facing possible annual vaccinations, carrying around a vaccination passport to enter stadiums and pubs, being tested regularly even when well. And if you want to leave the country for an essential reason, then you’ll need to pay up: a costly test before departure and then at least £210 for two tests upon arrival.

    Even Mr Johnson’s much vaunted “freedom day”, June 21, when restrictions were to be fully abandoned, is being rowed back.

    A government review has hinted that working from home and social distancing may continue, pending the success of vaccine passports.

    All the while, the government’s scientific advisory committee, SAGE, has warned that vaccines are not good enough to see all restrictions lifted and that measures like masks and social distancing should continue for much of the year. Alarmingly, SAGE has modelled a huge up-tick in cases, similar to last January, emerging in the late northern hemisphere summer.

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson is poised to announce the UK’s latest steps out of lockdown tomorrow as his government prepares to unveil a COVID-19 certification scheme as part of his road map to freedom.
    UK chief medical officer Chris Whitty earlier said the coronavirus was harmless to the vast majority of people, insisting people would learn to live with the virus in a similar way to the flu.

    But SAGE now says its modelling — which, to be fair, hasn’t been close to being anywhere near accurate all the way through the pandemic — claims that people being hospitalised could return to the levels seen at the start of this year, with more than 30,000 COVID-19 cases using pessimistic vaccine efficacy assumptions.

    After being strung along for months and being promised rules would be relaxed, albeit in in a ponderously slow manner, the British public is now no longer fearful and is interpreting hospitalisation and death statistics. Something is happening across the nation as the days get longer and it is what Mr Johnson and his cohorts might fear: people have stopped listening, and instead, are simply carrying on.

  114. Mike Ryan says:

    Panic Alert:
    The latest media fear mongering is now reporting on the “Double Mutant” Covid strain.

  115. Entropy says:

    Is a double mutant like a double secret probation?

  116. calli says:

    Not scary enough.

    I want the double mutant radioactive version please.

  117. Tel says:

    go on … do a wiki on measles mortality and make a comparison to covid

    I looked it up and if you ignore all the estimate data and modelling data, and only look at actual data 1958 was the worst modern year in the USA for measles but it’s slightly complicated because it was also a bad flu year. Official death toll from measles that year was 552 which doesn’t seem anything to freak out about.

    Generally, a healthy person with a good diet will never die from measles … it greatly depletes vitamin A in the human body, meaning that if you have a poor diet low in vitamin A and then you catch measles you could be in a lot of trouble. The measles virus temporarily upsets the gut lining preventing absorption, requiring the patient to have good vitamin A levels in their body BEFORE getting sick in order to ride it out … most people do.

    Conclusion: measles is at least an order of magnitude less dangerous than CCP-19.

  118. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    I like your posts generally Lizzie, but all of your COVID-related posts get a hard “Ok Boomer” from me.

    lol. I am a ‘war baby’ not a baby boomer, Albatross. 🙂

    At 79 years old in July this year I am definitely in the better vax than not group. Re-read my post though and you will see that I am very happy to open up once vaccination covers most in the over 50 ages and those with underlying medical problems that also make them vulnerable to this viral plague. After that, natural infection, from a disease that gains a natural prevalence level, is what will necessarily happen, as with all other diseases. The lucky thing about Covid compared to some other diseases, especially in their initial stages when populations have not built up immunity, is that it sustains itself on weaker immune systems, as found in the over 50’s. The 1918-20 pandemic of influenza sustained itself on anyone it settled on of any age until herd immunity kicked in. Hence it also killed the fit and young in droves. If we open up once the over 50’s are jabbed then a natural herd immunity would be the result. I am very much in favour of this and those who don’t want the jab shouldn’t be compelled to have it. They can take their chances of not getting a bad dose, and the chances of that for the under 50’s are very good.

    Covid 19 is not a ‘flu, it is a vascular clotting disorder, clotting the alveoli in the lungs, and also affecting the ACE2 cells that line the blood vessels thus causing occasional clotting in the heart and brain and elsewhere. In some it may have longer term effects. It loves older people with wonky immunity and blood disorders (the ACE2 angiotensin regulatory system not working properly) already or those with a predisposition to these things. Some may take the view that it is worth trying to get rid of this virus and go for full herd vaccination. That is not a particularly likely thing to happen, so I am in favour of opening up after vax for the over 50’s. Some unvaxed under 50’s will inevitably die though if this is done. So what are the ethics there? Do we just do it on numbers. There won’t be too many under 50’s keeling over, not like the over 50’s where the ethics were pretty clear as so many were keeling.

  119. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    We could even draw the line on vax at the over 65’s, for this is the group most at risk, with progressive risk enhancement through to the over 80’s. Politicians though are not going to take this risk. They are also hooked in moated countries on the idea of viral eradication. A chimera.

    Let everyone under 65 who doesn’t want the vax take their chances as we open up and become like India or Brazil, with high incidence ripping through a mostly unexposed population? The population will fight it off, develop immunity, and survive, with a level of casualties during the process, and the disease will sink back into a low-level of prevalence, as has been the case with every human epidemic (prior to the development of vaccinations, which can lower endemic prevalence considerably). We have been in point counterpoint with immune defenses, as Jared Diamond helpfully points out, since we began living in close contact with domesticated animals. Incidence, prevalence, areas under the epidemic curve, odds ratio and relative risk, reproduction number, natural immunity, modes of control: basic epidemiology.

  120. Eyrie says:

    Covid 19 is not a ‘flu, it is a vascular clotting disorder, clotting the alveoli in the lungs, and also affecting the ACE2 cells that line the blood vessels thus causing occasional clotting in the heart and brain and elsewhere.

    So are the “vaccines”.

  121. Eyrie says:

    Why would anyone believe anything the governments and/or MSM say?

  122. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    a healthy person with a good diet will never die from measles …

    There is no doubt that a well-nourished population is better placed to fight of viral attacks. The picture with infants is less clear though. Measles decimates well-nourished babies and children as well as under-nourished ones. Interestingly, adult measles can be particularly nasty. Hairy had it once, due to an incomplete and very early type of childhood vaccination. He caught it during a business trip to Melbourne when a mini-epidemic was happening (due to lack of infant vax due to panic re autism). He was very ill, and at one stage looked like needing hospitalisation for possible effects on brain meninges. Thankfully, he temped high, slept, and recovered.

  123. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Measles is horrendously infective with an off-the-planet R number.

  124. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    So are the “vaccines”.

    Yes. But not as bad as copping the real thing. And a relatively rare reaction.

    Vaccines of any sort are an imperfect defense. But better than dying, imho.
    Life itself is a risk. Past ages knew this much more than we do, we who ignore it.

  125. BorisG says:

    Is Figures Bird?

  126. Kneel says:

    “they still can’t stay overnight at any place except home.”

    Yes, the UK “no casual sex” law.
    That’ll go down well (no pun intended).

  127. Figures says:

    Measles is horrendously infective with an off-the-planet R number.

    No it isn’t. You have zero evidence that anybody in history has ever spread measles to anybody.

    People share disease the way they can share experiences. But they can’t spread disease.

    That is why siblings will often come down with a similar rash or stomach illness at the same time but you can walk into every hospital in the country with zero ramifications.

    In fact, it is a walk in the park to prove that measles has nothing to do with a virus.

    All you have to do is actually *look* at the measles rash in a few patients. This is too hard for most people of course because for most people “science” is “whatever the government says is true even if it’s nonsense” whereas science requires you to actually observe things.

    If you observe measles rashes you will observe that they are typically *focused*. Just as an example, a measles “sufferer” might have a rash on their stomach and nowhere else. Or maybe just both their legs. Or just their back. Or just their back and legs and face, etc.

    Now, if a rash was caused by a virus (ie something that spreads through the bloodstream) then obviously it would be non-focused (ie spread more or less evenly around the body). But most rashes are focused. So the idea they are caused by something that spreads through the bloodstream is absurd.

    Obviously, a rash that is focused can only be caused by the mind. This is completely obvious and a testament to how stupid people are that they never realised this before.

  128. Entropy says:

    If he isn’t Bird he might as well be.

  129. Up The Workers! says:

    Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Roll Up!, Roll Up!

    Get your ‘Deadly Dan the Chi-Com Man’s’ vaccination jab which might possibly kill you, in order to ‘protect’ you against a disease with a 99.7% survival rate (unless you are over 80 years old).

    It’s called “Wuhan Roulette!”

    What odds is Betfair quoting?

    It wasn’t the Labor Leprosy/Socialist Syphilis/Peking Pox/Wuhan Flu/Bolshevik Bronchitis/Leftard Laryngitis/Deadly Dan’s Distemper which got Victoria its death Toll of 820 – some 10 times more than all the rest of Australia combined – last year, it was Mogadishu-By-The-Yarra’s awesome Labor Party Incompetence which achieved that record.

    Unfortunately, the only vaccination against that, is contained in the Ballot-Box.

  130. Annie says:

    ‘What’s the rush?’. Well, my mother is a frail 98 and a 1/2 year old. I had plans to visit her in England about a year ago. We didn’t go ahead but never dreamt that a whole year later we would still be imprisoned in Aus. How ethical is it to keep families apart? There won’t be much point in travelling to her funeral.

  131. Judge Dredd says:

    Quick! Get your experimental gene-therapy injection because there are zero cases of a virus that 0.03% deadly and only impacts fat or old people!
    What!? You mean to tell me you’re not getting the not-vaccine? How dare you! You must be one of those anti-vax loons. Next you’ll be saying masks don’t work and the lockdowns weren’t needed!

  132. Eyrie says:

    So are the “vaccines”.

    Yes. But not as bad as copping the real thing. And a relatively rare reaction.

    Bad luck if you are one of the not so few with a bad reaction and certainly worse than the disease if you are under 60. Why these criminals are vaccinating children is beyond me.
    Would you buy and take a “vaccine” from your local Mafia?

  133. Eyrie says:

    God only knows what the one year, 5 years etc effects will be. Simply could not be tested.
    The world has gone nuts.

  134. Matt says:

    ‘experimental gene therapy’
    Some of you really need to get a grip on reality.

  135. rickw says:

    This country is currently locked away from the rest of the world and if we don’t vaccinate fast then it is likely Covid will break lose, contact tracing will be insufficient, and we will get a real epidemic, not the fake one we’ve had so far.

    Death toll from this? About the average for flu season….

  136. caveman says:

    If the vaccine kills you , then you not going to get covid.
    I think we about done now, release the vaccine…now!

  137. mh says:

    Just have a glass of Caveman

  138. Judge Dredd says:

    Some of you really need to get a grip on reality.

    It is factually an experimental gene therapy.
    Experimental – The not-vaccines are still under trial (therefore everyone who takes it is participating in the experiment) and are technically in the experimental phase of development.
    Gene-therapy – The mRNA “vaccines” are a gene therapy. As a side note: interesting that online dictionaries only updated their definition of a vaccine to include genetic therapies in Jan 2021.
    You wouldn’t want to be a “science-denier” now would you?

  139. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    ‘experimental gene therapy’
    Some of you really need to get a grip on reality.

    Are you old and obese.

  140. Matt says:

    Define gene therapy JD.

  141. Judge Dredd says:

    Define gene therapy JD.

    Don’t be retarded. Everyone can see through your efforts to obfuscate and “win” through scoring minor points on definitions.

  142. Old School Conservative says:

    The key statement in Mak’s snippet from The Oz:
    the British public is now no longer fearful and is interpreting hospitalisation and death statistics
    Boris will be astounded to hear his subjects can finally start thinking for themselves.

  143. Matt says:

    And here’s me thinking that agreeing on definitions is a useful starting point.
    Gene therapy involves altering DNA – adding, knocking or or deleting for example.
    mRNA vaccines don’t alter the recipient DNA.

  144. Albatross says:

    Matt says:
    April 6, 2021 at 5:11 pm
    Peepee poopoo. I dropped a load in my pants.

    Jesus Matt! Try some kind of scatological forum with this content. This is a liberal blog, but in the classical tradition.

  145. Matt says:

    This is a liberal blog, but in the classical tradition.

    You wouldn’t know it reading some of the crank comments here. Happy to believe that the Pfizer vaccine is altering your DNA, can’t accept that COVID has increased deaths over the past 12 months. The only thing you a liberal with is the truth.

  146. Albatross says:

    Matt says:
    April 6, 2021 at 7:27 pm
    Peepee poopoo

    Huh?

  147. MatrixTransform says:

    and suddenly, nobody in Australia died all once

    why do I get the feeling that if Matt’s head was caved in with a brick and somehow there was no massive immediate urgent need for a vaccine, that pretty much nothing would change.

    at all

    I’m up for the experiment though

  148. MatrixTransform says:

    measles is at least an order of magnitude less dangerous

    a decimal point

  149. BorisG says:

    Some of you really need to get a grip on reality.

    That’ not gonna happen but who cares (outside the madhouse of cat that is).

  150. Albatross says:

    BorisG says:
    April 6, 2021 at 11:18 pm
    Some of you really need to get a grip on reality.

    That’ not gonna happen but who cares (outside the madhouse of cat that is).

    Why do you deliberately come somewhere you dislike so much?

  151. Crossie says:

    Entropy says:
    April 5, 2021 at 10:49 pm
    Mrs Entropy got one on Thursday. Only because work was demanding everyone get it being a health worker.

    Friday night she had a headache. Or at least she claimed she did. No other side effects other than tiredness.

    A friend’s son, a health worker, ended up in emergency with a fever of 39.5C after getting his jab.

  152. BorisG says:

    Why do you deliberately come somewhere you dislike so much?

    A valid question. A habit. There are a lot of very interesting posters here, but different threads attract different crowds. This used to be a libertarian blog, dominated by people like jason soon, Andrew Norton, Yobbo, Steve Edwards, Rafe, Sinc, JC, Dot (before he got into far-right conspiracy theories), Helen Dale and occasional conservative like CL. And yes, also Bird. Now it has been transformed into an anti-science anti-facts conspiracy theory site, but some of the old folks remain. I even go as far as meet with Sinc and JC when in Melbourne.

    I am a moderate libertarian myself, oppose nanny-state, middle class welfare and cancel culture. That’s a site for that, no?

  153. egg_ says:

    complete fuckwits searching for a Churchill moment in a mild flu.

    Scumoron overplayed his hand a year ago in lockstep with the Globalists.

    Now, the Left are chomping on his sorry @rse, Pac-Man style.

  154. egg_ says:

    anti-science anti-facts

    Troll does irony.

  155. egg_ says:

    the madhouse of cat

    IamBoris: 15 comments on a COVID thread – the scared little old man hiding under the bed.

  156. egg_ says:

    anti-science anti-facts

    Sweden COVID cases down, COVID death rate much the same.

    Died of COVID or died with COVID, retard?

  157. Albatross says:

    BorisG says:
    April 7, 2021 at 2:31 am

    Ok Boomer. Why don’t you go to Scepticlawyer or Bob’s blog if you miss the “good old days”?

    What’s also cute is how Dot is suddenly no longer a Libertarian, because his continued presence here repudiates your idiot thesis.

    And for my money, good riddance to Soon and Dale.

  158. Figures says:

    You wouldn’t know it reading some of the crank comments here. Happy to believe that the Pfizer vaccine is altering your DNA, can’t accept that COVID has increased deaths over the past 12 months. The only thing you a liberal with is the truth.

    Matt you’re absolutely pathetic. When I ask a question you start out by attempting a “coherent” answer but, once I’ve pointed out to you that that answer is absurd, you *always* retreat back to saying “well other people disagree with you, so you must be wrong”.

    You don’t care about truth, you care about what other people think.

    You hide behind statistics in order to rationalise your groupthink because medical statistics (as everybody who understand epidemiology knows) can be made to show absolutely anything.

    I could do a regression model that “proves” sex doesn’t cause pregnancy (eg I could regress pregnancy rates in nuns vs pregnancy rates in 50 year old hookers). And, if I cherry picked enough, I could use statistics to “prove” lockdowns save lives. But they don’t.

    Medicine needs to be understood the same way the Austrians understand economics. Statistics can be used to illustrate universal truths but are completely useless at determining them. Indeed, that is the point. Statistics can and do show anything – even contradictory claims – but medicine (like economics) holds universal truths and therefore only logic can enable us to construct a coherent medical (or economic) model.

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