Vaccine might be safe for 112 year-olds but stay tuned

I think the advice that we should say is that people who have had it over two weeks ago, they shouldn’t be worried at all. Others should be watching out for the specific symptoms – that’ll be part of our advice we’ll be giving to GPs.”

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– Described by the AFR as the “nation’s top doctor,” Paul Kelly makes it up as he goes along

 
“Extremely cautious,” “abundance of caution” and “rare blood clots” are just a few of the approved phrases pouring dutifully from the mouths of “medical experts” and reporters this evening.

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66 Responses to Vaccine might be safe for 112 year-olds but stay tuned

  1. Caveman says:

    🍿😎

  2. RobertS says:

    I’m a white, well-off, privileged male boomer conservative who feels that under the current circumstances, I should stand aside, insofar as vaccine priority is concerned, for people of colour, women, LGTBIXYZ, those identifying as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders, the obese and those people who I might have offended during my 74 years on this Earth including those before I was even born.
    It’s the right thing to do.

  3. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Good the experts have established astra zeneca is safe for over 30 no 50 no 60 year olds,right lot of research gone into this dont you think ?
    I have one question WHY 30,50,60 as Julius Sumner Miller used to ask “why is it so ? “

  4. Perplexed of Brisbane says:

    RobertS,

    I am happy for all the hysterics who are panicking about the coronavirus, to have the shots first. They are screaming for it, let them be the guinea pigs.

    If they die, we get peace and quiet. If they live, they might shut up and get on with life.

    But I doubt it.

  5. PB says:

    Pfizer is also causing blood clots, but there doesn’t seem to be any will to acknowledge this. Can’t imagine why.

  6. Rebel with cause says:

    I am happy for all the hysterics who are panicking about the coronavirus, to have the shots first. They are screaming for it, let them be the guinea pigs.

    I wouldn’t have thought it possible, but my anecdotal conversations suggest there now to be a large cohort of people that are both hyper concerned about the risk of COVID and also about the vaccines. Their preferred solution seems to be something along the lines of Australia remaining in isolation for at least another year or two.

  7. stackja says:

    My GP advice over anyone else.

  8. Infidel Tiger says:

    Boomers first!

    Everyone else stand aside.

  9. Infidel Tiger says:

    A lot of the AZ hysteria is to do with Brexit, but I wouldn’t take it.

  10. Rebel with cause says:

    Missus had the Pfizer jab. She was sick as a dog after the second jab. Could easy see how it might cause a few of the weaker nursing home residents to keel over.

  11. Infidel Tiger says:

    Missus had the Pfizer jab. She was sick as a dog after the second jab. Could easy see how it might cause a few of the weaker nursing home residents to keel over.

    This is why I would rather have Covid.

  12. harrys on the boat says:

    Can’t wait for m0nty to get his.

  13. Squirrel says:

    “Extremely cautious,” “abundance of caution” –

    very important noises to make in order to cover the backside while simultaneously planning to herd the “herd” towards vaccination through de facto, if not official, vaccine passport arrangements.

  14. Ozman says:

    Rebel with cause says:
    April 8, 2021 at 10:29 pm

    Missus had the Pfizer jab. She was sick as a dog after the second jab. Could easy see how it might cause a few of the weaker nursing home residents to keel over.

    Infidel Tiger says:
    April 8, 2021 at 10:38 pm

    This is why I would rather have Covid.

    Tiger, at least you will not have to worry about the patented synthetic crispr mRNA creating autoimmune disease, which brave biochemists are saying it is designed to do. The shot might not kill everybody, but the following autoimmune diseases will eventually take their toll and, after more fake testing, be cause for more injections to protect the rest of the population.

    SPARS 2025-2028 is going to be even more deadly.

  15. tombell says:

    all this for a fukn disease which is mild for most.

  16. Chris M says:

    Fortunately they banned Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine to protect us from the horrors of that poisonous covid killing brew. Imagine if people just got better in a week without any vaccine, chaos.

  17. Gerry says:

    So 1 in a million is okay if it is state sanctioned, but if it’s a virus causing 1 in a million then it’s lockdown time.

  18. Figures says:

    There’s absolutely nothing different about these useless and dangerous covid vaccines vs all the other useless and dangerous vaccines except for the intense scrutiny that surrounds covid shots.

    If every other vaccine had undergone the same level of scrutiny as COVID vaccines (and remember the vast majority of COVID vaccine reactions are hushed up) they too would be pulled from the shelves.

    I hope you all realise you’ve all been doing this to babies – who can’t speak up about their poisoning – for the past 40 years and stop and think about your complicity in history’s greatest crime.

  19. Rex Anger says:

    I hope you all realise you’ve all been doing this to babies – who can’t speak up about their poisoning – for the past 40 years and stop and think about your complicity in history’s greatest crime.

    Spack off, Graeme.

    You were more fun when you were convinced Beirut was a tactical nuke planted by those perfidious Mossads in your sock drawer.

    Your resolute insistence that all disease is purely between people’s ears, based on this single outbreak of public hysteria, malfeasance and elite mendacity, while trying to tack on every other health issue you can in a pissweak attempt to bolster your ambit, demonstrates that the problem is solely between yours.

    Go be a frothing loony elsewhere. Or refocus your mania back onto the obsessions we know and love (and ban) you for.

  20. Eyrie says:

    So 1 in a million is okay if it is state sanctioned, but if it’s a virus causing 1 in a million then it’s lockdown time.

    The State can do no wrong, citizen! It has your best interests at heart at all times!

  21. cuckoo says:

    Family member who has had professional dealings with Kelly described him as very unpleasant to deal with, to put it mildly. And a few months ago I was in the checkout queue at my local supermarket. The man behind me in line gave off a distinct aura of irritation and impatience as he waited, his arms full of the shopping he was obviously too impatient to get a basket for. As the belt moved on, I invited him to place his shopping on it and he did so without a ‘thanks’ or eye contact, still bristling. It was then I recognized Australia’s ‘top doctor’.

  22. notafan says:

    No one cares about the much higher number of women who get blood clots from taking the pill.

    People can make their own cost benefit analysis.

    Its available and people aren’t infants being immunised by Morrisontheirmummy.

  23. twostix says:

    Can we go back one month when “public health officials” were declaring the vaccine totally safe and there was zero concern about blood clot side effects that were reported from europe?

    These people are more politician than scientist.

    Always have been.

  24. twostix says:

    Pharma company newsletters rushing around this morning furiously “teaching” their “confused” readers about the intricacies of statistics, risk, and “cost benefit” (aka it’s ok to kill a few young people so 104 year old dot theoretically lives One More Month).

    After 12 months of house arrest and never seen before in history medical dictatorship 99% of people have still never seen the survival stats around covid.

    Weird right?

  25. Albatross says:

    notafan says:
    April 9, 2021 at 7:42 am
    No one cares about the much higher number of women who get blood clots from taking the pill.

    People can make their own cost benefit analysis.

    Except our elites are trying to tie our freedom of movement and association to some “vaccine passport”.

  26. lily says:

    I am happy for all the hysterics who are panicking about the coronavirus, to have the shots first. They are screaming for it, let them be the guinea pigs.

    Close enough to what our doctor said to us yesterday.

  27. H B Bear says:

    What does Dr Norman say?

  28. Notafan says:

    Are they?

    If they aren’t vaccinating under 50s (who are low risk anyhow) i say good luck with that.

  29. Notafan says:

    I will get one eventually, if I must, to travel overseas.

    Seems like that won’t be this year.

  30. egg_ says:

    the intricacies of statistics, risk, and “cost benefit”

    Conspicuously absent from Scummo’s Lockdown speech of a year ago.

    /Diamond Princess data

  31. egg_ says:

    Except our elites are trying to tie our freedom of movement and association to some “vaccine passport”.

    Singapore say they may mutually recognise ours in the interests of opening up travel – how Globalist.

  32. Judge Dredd says:

    Who would have thought rushing a vaccine to market in record time by orders of magnitude would have problems?
    And this is the vaccine built off tried and true methods, not the mRNA gene-therapy ones that have never been used in the human population before.
    I believe the VAERS database has over 50,000 adverse reactions already associated with the COVID not-vaccine, and that is just the short term effects.

  33. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    This insanity persists because these staggeringly stupid incompetent and destructive politico-bureaucrat clowns (along with their meeja yapdogs) will never admit they were wrong – which they are about everything. As I noted on the open thread last night, just listening to that cavalcade of imbeciles (the TV was in another room) incessantly bloviating and obfuscating was excruciating.

    There will be more schlockdowns in our future, starting in Disasterstan once that abortion of a government stuff up hotel quarantine (yet again) and spreading from there.

    As for the utterly unnecessary toxic chemical cocktail, I will not be taking it under any circumstances.

  34. Old School Conservative says:

    I was astounded by Morrison’s rank hypocricy in his press conference last night.
    First cab off the rank was “we are being transparent” in sharing all data with the population, Eg they got the advice at 7 pm and announced all clotting related problems to us at about 7.30.
    Well where was the immediate dump of full statistics prior to and during the lockdown? All we got was “cases” and “deaths” – no mention at all of low severity of many cases, and no focus on recovery rates. Just the fear-inducing statistics.
    Next hypocricy is the “see your GP and take their advice” when that was never promoted during the Wuhan Flu “emergency”. Everybody, irrespective of age, absence of comorbidities, location etc was shut down. But the freedom to chose is now OK?

    We can never forgive our elite overlords for their disgraceful showing during this medical emergency.
    In a war we give some leeway to the armed forces who get tactical decisions wrong because they are on our side against a foe who started the war.
    Today we are bent to the whim of would be totalitarians in our own country fighting a war they started.

  35. egg_ says:

    Next hypocricy is the “see your GP and take their advice” when that was never promoted during the Wuhan Flu “emergency”.

    Scumoron’s busy doing double backflip with pike – and admonishing the Press corps for daring to ask questions.

  36. Bad Samaritan says:

    OK, so, let’s say a couple of car companies rush new vehicles through within a year or so of starting the design process, despite the usual development time for new models being 3-4 years. Standard stress and safety testing is short-cut and these new fast-approval vehicles are certified safe to be sold and registered.

    Within a month or so a number of serious flaws become evident. Maybe a few explode after minor collisions. Maybe the brakes fail after 10,000 ks on a couple of cars. Maybe the suspension can’t handle half an hour on a bumpy road.

    Any normal person would be thinking “WTF is gonna happen after six months with these lemons?”. Recalls would be almost certain.

    This is not how the f’wits who’ve hopelessly mismanaged every part of the fake pandemic shyte are reacting, is it? Too many back-hand payments from Big Pharma maybe? Too many lying leftists in the mix, eh what?

    BTW: Those Takata car airbags being recalled and replaced have caused just 30 deaths in a decade, despite there being hundreds of millions of them produced. Huh?

  37. Vicki says:

    Fortunately they banned Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine to protect us from the horrors of that poisonous covid killing brew.

    Well, they couldn’t stop me from drenching my cows with Ivermectin which I figure will not only protect them from parasites, but very likely from Bovine Ephemeral Fever, which is a virus with not dissimilar effects.

    Didn’t use gloves this year………

  38. Epicurious says:

    RobertS says:
    April 8, 2021 at 9:32 pm
    I’m a white, well-off, privileged male boomer conservative who feels that under the current circumstances, I should stand aside, insofar as vaccine priority is concerned, for people of colour, women, LGTBIXYZ, those identifying as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders, the obese and those people who I might have offended during my 74 years on this Earth including those before I was even born.
    It’s the right thing to do.

    RS we share the exact same demographic. I too will stand aside for all those you have listed and of course Sea Patrol’s Sarah HY.

  39. Stan says:

    Suddenly they are all talking about costs vs benefits. Where was this analysis last year when the lockdowns destroyed so many lives?

  40. Vicki says:

    I believe the VAERS database has over 50,000 adverse reactions already associated with the COVID not-vaccine, and that is just the short term effects.

    Interesting. Already heard from a couple of friends who have had nasty reactions to AZ – one being hospitalised. The possibility of long term auto immune complications even more worrying.

    I guess the ordinary flu injections and lots of other medications also have side effects, but the hype surrounding the whole issue is causing enormous anxiety.

  41. Speedbox says:

    Stan says:
    April 9, 2021 at 9:22 am
    Suddenly they are all talking about costs vs benefits. Where was this analysis last year when the lockdowns destroyed so many lives?

    Spot on. 100%.

  42. rickw says:

    Not a problem if you’re not stupid enough to take their half baked vaccine for something no worse that flu!

    These people are clearly idiots, why would anyone follow their advice?

  43. rickw says:

    Suddenly they are all talking about costs vs benefits. Where was this analysis last year when the lockdowns destroyed so many lives?

    Not done then because these people are morons. Now being discussed because they’ve looked up and realised that over they last 12 months they’ve been digging a bloody enormous hole.

  44. Infidel Tiger says:

    This is fantastic news.

    Borders can’t reopen until at least 2025.

    5 years of no immigration. Nature is healing.

  45. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    notafan says:
    April 9, 2021 at 7:42 am
    No one cares about the much higher number of women who get blood clots from taking the pill

    Nota, afaik, a significant group of females who contract blood clots from taking the pill is because they have Factor V Leiden, but are unaware of it.

  46. STJOHNOFGRAFTON says:

    I usually stay away from the ‘news’ as prophylaxis for good mental health. But this morning was enticed against my better judgement to watch a couple of minutes of BBC news regarding Astra Zeneca jabs. The medical reporter says words similar to this: “sure there’s trouble with blood clots and some people have died but that’s rare . Driving your car is more likely to cause death. Also some people are put off by the side – effects. After the jab you might feel ropey for a few days, have a sore arm, feel nauseous and be feverish but that’s a good sign that the jab is doing its job. Don’t worry, these reactions are normal. Don’t hesitate, get the jab as soon as you can”.
    This normalising the abnormal style of reporting is typical of the brainwash employed to get suckers to stop worrying, take the jab and be happy.

  47. Cynic of A says:

    Others should be watching out for the specific symptoms
    Is that so we can fill in our death certificate at the time?
    A blood clot that kills you in seconds is one thing, but being half a vegetable for another few years is another.
    The latter scares me more than the former!
    An old mate of mine said if I was contemplating suicide at any time, be sure to do it before I forgot how to.

  48. Notafan says:

    Then why aren’t women who are prescribed the pill tested for Factor V Leiden?

    Because nobody cares.

  49. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    5 years of no immigration

    One of the talking heads on Sky the other day said there are around 10,000 non citizens who’ve entered this country via the land of Horse Face Donkey Chompers in the last six months (i.e. they’re not citizens of NZ either).

    Then there’s the massive pressure from the stinking university sector to open the floodgates to overseas “students” who’ll inevitably end up remaining here for good.

    Mark my words, these quisling political imbeciles will do anything they can to reopen the mass immigration floodgates right down to blatant lying if they have to. Due to this pressure there are alleged Australian citizens trying to get back in to this stupid, stupid country who are likely to remain in a queue behind chinese “students”.

    I’d be perfectly happy for the alleged Australians to be let back in, on the proviso that for every one that enters, two people here are able (or compelled) to leave.

  50. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Just heard Albo on the commo tv , Interewer was asking him qestions about the chinese virus as if Albo actually knew anything ? So we get Albo and Scomo being questionedas if tey were experts ? The media have latched on to the chinese virus as a neverending source of stories and speculative theories ,as Stackja said I will ask my GP . I mean you dont go to an entomologist or politician to clear your blocked toilet .

  51. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Notafan says:
    April 9, 2021 at 10:19 am
    Then why aren’t women who are prescribed the pill tested for Factor V Leiden?

    Because nobody cares

    Nota, somewhere between 3-5% of the Australian population have the condition.

    I personally know of eight people from five unrelated families who have it.

  52. egg_ says:

    BBC news regarding Astra Zeneca jabs. The medical reporter says words similar to this: “sure there’s trouble with blood clots and some people have died but that’s rare . Driving your car is more likely to cause death. Also some people are put off by the side – effects. After the jab you might feel ropey for a few days, have a sore arm, feel nauseous and be feverish but that’s a good sign that the jab is doing its job. Don’t worry, these reactions are normal. Don’t hesitate, get the jab as soon as you can”.

    France24 News had a Superannuated Oz? female journo interviewing a female Israeli Medic Bureaucrat about 80% of Israelis immunized already.

    Elephant stamp worthy, apparently.

    Coronavirus was running rampant in Israel. But a swift vaccination program is having dramatic results
    TheirABC

  53. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Old School Conservative says:
    April 9, 2021 at 8:54 am

    Very well said, OSC!

  54. egg_ says:

    Journo: Irris Makler

  55. Notafan says:

    I believe you BBS

    Yet I have never heard of women being routinely tested before pill prescription.

    I did know in my youth a young mother who nearly died of pill related clot though.

  56. Karabar says:

    My Personal Risk Assessment

    I heard the “chief Health Officer say “The benefit is greater than the risk”
    I would guess that they have never ever properly used a process called “Risk Assessment”. However, I applaud SCOMO for reiterating that one’s health is an affair between that individual and the physician. Different strokes for different folks.

    Risk is a function of probability, consequence and exposure.

    In my case, I determine the parameters to be:

    a) Probability of contracting Covid 19 is next to zero, due to habitation in rural Tasmania.

    b) Consequence, or probability of death due to Covid 19 as less than 2%

    Although I am 75, my immune system is in tip top shape, as I supplement diet with Vitamins A, B, C, and D, as well as Zinc and Selenium. 90% of those in ICU are deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin C is effective in combatting viruses. Vitamins A and B, as well as Zinc and Selenium turbo charge the immune system. I have ZIVERDO Covid kits on hand just to be sure to be sure.

    c) Exposure is, unless there is some weird occurrence, essentially zero, since there has not been a communicated case of Covid in Tasmania for a year.

    This makes the RISK of death from Covid to be the square root of sweet bugger all.

    Now, looking at the risk of death from an experimental gene therapy treatment we have

    Risk of vaccine adverse event reaction from VAERS is at least 1%.
    Consequence of death from blood clot in the event of a VAER about 0.2% There is an unknown risk of ADE (anti-body dependent enhancement) and subsequent death due to a cytokine storm. Having read Dolores Cahill, Geert Vanden Bossche, and Vernon Coleman, I judge this risk, although unknown, to be conversably more than zero.
    Exposure to the vaccine, if I were to accept it, is 100%.
    Thus, the risk of death by FAILED MEDICAL EXPERIMENT is one Hell of a lot greater than the risk of death from Covid in my case.

    There is a lot fishy about this entire COVID story. For instance only a year ago every pundit on the planet, (except Trump) insisted that it would take TEN YEARS to come up with a ‘vaccine”. But in less than a year there are AT LEAST SEVEN! Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, J&J, Novavax, Sinovac, and Sputnik.

    Somewhere I thought that the testing institutions were not allowed to approve a vaccine for an ailment for which there is cure (Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquin, massive doses of Vitmin C, etc) These have not only been shunned and pushed off the table, but made illegal. Why?

  57. egg_ says:

    Israel’s world-leading vaccine rollout attracts some scrutiny
    Israel has become the world-leader in vaccine rollout with more than 80 percent of the country’s eligible population having received the Pfizer jab. Yet there are disparities behind the results, with vaccinations lower in the ultra-Orthodox and Israeli-Arab communities.

  58. candy says:

    It all seems a bit rushed.

    Strangely, there does not seem much emphasis on cleanliness, using hand sanitisers when shopping, public transport events etc and keeping a proper distance now. These seem first line preventative measures against any virus.
    People want a quick fix but I’m not sure it exists with cold type viruses.

  59. Notafan says:

    Yes those groups are reluctant.

    No surprises there.

  60. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Nota, males inherit the condition too. For females, apart from the pill, it’s related to pregnancy – complications/miscarriage. Flying also identifies the condition.

  61. Robber Baron says:

    I have surveyed about 20 mates of mine. 18 will not get vaccinated (likely liberal or Hanson voters). 1 says nothing (Labor). 1 says he can’t wait to get on a plane but says he most likely won’t get it, when pressed, turns to water and says he might (Liberal).

  62. John of Mel says:

    and “cost benefit” (aka it’s ok to kill a few young people so 104 year old dot theoretically lives One More Month).

    Wow! I had no idea Dot was 104 years old.

  63. Bruce in WA says:

    I wouldn’t have thought it possible, but my anecdotal conversations suggest there now to be a large cohort of people that are both hyper concerned about the risk of COVID and also about the vaccines. Their preferred solution seems to be something along the lines of Australia remaining in isolation for at least another year or two.

    Yep, group of people we’re with ATM are adamant that Australia needs to totally shut its borders, no exceptions, until 2023 at the absolute earliest and f**k anyone trapped overseas.

  64. egg_ says:

    Risk is a function of probability, consequence and exposure.

    Oz Economy should have limited exposure to CHOs?

    They put forward a COVID vaccine as a control measure yet say it doesn’t guarantee immunity?

    Do vaccines prevent disease or infection?
    The type of efficacy that’s been reported for these trials is protective efficacy against disease — in other words, how well the vaccine protects people from getting sick.

    Whether or not these vaccines prevent people from getting infected in the first place is a separate question, and not one researchers can answer just yet.

  65. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    +1, egg

  66. Roger says:

    BBC news regarding Astra Zeneca jabs. The medical reporter says words similar to this: “sure there’s trouble with blood clots and some people have died but that’s rare .

    So is dying from covid for most people.

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