There ought to be a law

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62 Responses to There ought to be a law

  1. Infidel Tiger says:

    Agreed.

    Architects should all be jailed.

  2. Pyrmonter says:

    AWN Pugin would have disagreed.

  3. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Agreed.
    Architects should all be jailed.

    I have seen Federation Square and agree

  4. lotocoti says:

    Via Architectural Revival, the war on the past.

  5. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    There ought to be a law

    There was a law.

    Donald Trump signs executive order requiring federal buildings be constructed in ‘classical’ style (22 Dec)

    Sadly lefties don’t like classical architecture.

    Biden Revokes Trump’s Controversial Classical Architecture Order (25 Feb)

    Too much marble, not enough concrete. Buildings must look properly fascist.

  6. min says:

    There’s an interesting story how the architect of this dome got the job.

  7. jo says:

    Philistines, go and live in a cave.

  8. Ubique says:

    Perth’s top two ugliest buildings are the massively over-budget, blue smashed crab otherwise known as Perth Arena, and the giant cockroach that is the Perth Convention Centre. It’s no surprise they’re both government projects. The architects can’t have been selected on merit.

  9. Infidel Tiger says:

    Perth’s ugliest building is the new museum. It is absolutely hideous.

  10. Infidel Tiger says:

    Kevin McLeod did an absolutely wonderful doco on Europe. The episode on Florence is the best.

  11. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Good on you Jo the architects who designed their much loved Florence were criticised for lack of tradition in their day . Those ancient cities were crowded, dark insanitary slums lacking sewage and water systems ,disease spread like wildfire . As a comedian said of the much lauded Venice , a city where the streets are flooded that smells of sewage ,find the stopcock , turn off the water and get a plumber .
    I love a lot of the new buildings ,its my hobby to study them ,Federation Square is not perfect but it has a great open feeling city Squares usually lack .
    I spent my career restoring old buildings to pristine condition ,whilst internally making them fit for modern life , one classic station homestead had 14 bedrooms with one bathroom and outside toilets,would any of the modern purists like to live in that ? Trekking to the dunny on a cold night ? Thats why chamber pots were invented ,first job each morning was emptying the potties . No , I prefer todays system .
    Nostalgia is wonderfull if you dont have to live in tge past .

  12. duncanm says:

    The best thing would be that 80% would change profession in despair.

  13. Notafan says:

    It’s about beauty.

    If modern plumbing has been available at the time, they’d all have had it.

  14. Ubique says:

    IT is right about everything. The new WA museum is horrible.

  15. min says:

    Brunelleschi built the dome for Santa Maria del Fiore and was recognised as one of the outstanding achievements of Renaissance architecture , built of bricks without a support structure . Also he was concerned about Health and safety of workers so very few deaths for a construction that had never been done before .

  16. Dave in Marybrook says:

    I don’t mind states making state architecture with state architects. IT’s observations about Perth are bang on- you don’t have to like it, you just have to pay for it.
    What I do mind is states dictating to individual investors, designers, builders and owners what they can and cannot build.

  17. H B Bear says:

    Old Europe is a museum. Central Paris is more Disneyland than Disneyland. But yes, modern public architecture is sh!t.

  18. Judge Dredd says:

    However, modern day architecture, like art and almost everything else pushed in society as virtuous, is upside down. And deliberately so. The inversion is not because people have forgotten what real beauty is.
    There is a spiritual side to this as well.

  19. Rockdoctor says:

    IT is right about everything. The new WA museum is horrible.

    Looks like a kitchen utensil. Older buildings are well and truly defiled. Yuk!

  20. Damon says:

    Buildings should be scaled for humans. That is why the classical styles were so attractive. People feel comfortable in and around them, rather than being intimidated by their sheer size.

  21. JC says:

    There was a law.

    Donald Trump signs executive order requiring federal buildings be constructed in ‘classical’ style

    Oh yea Bruce. the orange oaf has always been thought of as one of the great building designers. A real renaissance architect who built structures to satisfy the demands of Russian gangsters, Oligarchs and mid-easten gun runners like Adnan Khashoggi.

  22. min says:

    Federico da Montefeltro built a very modern palazzo in late . 1400s with bathrooms , heating , frozen food storage plus beautiful rooms with marquetry and probably a few Raphaellos as he was born in the town .

  23. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    The new WA museum is horrible.

    Is this the one called “Many Stories” in the Noongar language?

  24. H B Bear says:

    The problem with most architects is their work is done for other architects (whatever they may tell their clients, possibly less so for residential stuff).

  25. Infidel Tiger says:

    Buildings should be scaled for humans. That is why the classical styles were so attractive. People feel comfortable in and around them, rather than being intimidated by their sheer size.

    Exactly.

  26. H B Bear says:

    Is this the one called “Many Stories” in the Noongar language?

    Who knows? Who cares?

  27. Leigh Lowe says:

    The story of the construction of Filippo Brunelleschi’s dome is epic.

  28. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    I still like Australia Square which is round.

  29. JC says:

    Oh God. He brings aboriginals into it. God help us.

  30. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    JC , aboriginal architecture was really minimumalist ,so minimum it wasnt there , ,certainlt not intrusive . Ask Pommy Pascoe if he will write a learned treatise about it . Get his imagination right into gear .

  31. duncanm says:

    My favourite architectural folly is the Jean-Marie Tjibaou cultural centre in Noumea, another Renzo Piano wank.

    Like a ghost town and requires about a thousand gallons of teak oil a month to maintain.

  32. Damon says:

    “The new WA museum is horrible.”
    I haven’t seen it IRL, but from the picture, it looks like a cheese grater.

  33. min says:

    Pompidou centre ain’t pretty either

  34. Epicurious says:

    Oh yea Bruce. the orange oaf has always been thought of as one of the great building designers. A real renaissance architect who built structures to satisfy the demands of Russian gangsters, Oligarchs and mid-easten gun runners like Adnan Khashoggi.

    A very ad hominem attack, generally classified as the lowest level of argument. Now please provide us with some evidence of such claims.

  35. calli says:

    I love the Guggenheim. Perfect structure to house modern art, plenty of well-lit wall space and feels really good to walk around.

    A huge contrast to places like the Uffizi with all its little salons. Which makes sense given its collection.

    But beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

  36. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Oh yea Bruce. the orange oaf has always been thought of as one of the great building designers.

    Haha. Marble is so neanderthal. As a chemist with engineering tendencies I admire prestressed concrete for its physicochemical excellence, but it really is a fascist building material. Biden is welcome to it.

  37. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    I love the Guggenheim.

    Now that building has style, plated with pure metallic titanium. Gorgeously glowing.

  38. calli says:

    I had to smile when I read the tweet. Clearly the tweeter meant the glories of Renaissance Florence, not the horrors of Santa Maria Novella railway station. 😀

  39. Squirrel says:

    Good suggestion for the Canberra Bubble – skulduggery and extravagance worthy of the Medici, but none of the style.

  40. Tel says:

    https://architectureau.com/articles/8-chifley-square/

    Say it three times: vertical village, vertical village, vertical village. That’s better, isn’t it?

  41. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Firenze! 🤪

  42. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    I love the Guggenheim

    Bluddee hell – I must admit to loving it also …

    When you go to Noo Yoik and it’s closed for renovations, you are disappointed … 😠

  43. Chris M says:

    And the engineers should study that pizza tower thing.

  44. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    The works of Oscar Niemeyer the Brazilian arcitect in the new capital Brasilia were studied and admired when I was a student . His Catedral do Brasil was the greatest advance in church arcitecture in generations ,simple impressive and not overdone like Gaudis still unfinished cathedral in Barcelona .
    An impressive building in Melbourne is the new Cancer Hospital next to Royal Melb Hospital ,it is a fine building where art meets medicine , even the service areas are impressive . Not all modern architecture is brutalist,just as not all renaisence architecture was classic ,
    its all down to the client and the budget .

  45. duncanm says:

    Prof Fred.

    the Brazilians did some absolutely amazing stuff with concrete…

    A bit brutal, however

  46. pete m says:

    JC is really a democrat in sheep’s clothing.

    Sad.

  47. BorisG says:

    Sadly lefties don’t like classical architecture.

    Sealed. I am not a leftie then.

  48. TBH says:

    I love Florence, it’s one of the most beautiful cities I’ve ever been to. I’m not against some modern architecture, however. As Calli said, Frank Lloyd Wright’s Guggenheim is gorgeous IMHO. I have a scale model of it in my living room. There are some pretty ghastly recent examples here in Perth and HBB is right: many architects design buildings for other architects.

  49. Damon says:

    Interiors are one thing. Exteriors are another. If you don’t like your house, you can remodel it-you can’t always rebuild it.

  50. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Duncan , many of Oscar Niemeyers buldings designed 50 to 60 years ago would not look out of place today . He was Brasilias Walter Burley Griffin ,the city was revolutionary for its time . The two parliamentary buildings are very symbolic the Assembly and the reverse Senate .

  51. Damon says:

    I should add that there are some quite spectacular modern buildings in Baku, some of which I quite admire, but I’m still not sure I would like to live in a city of them.

  52. Publius says:

    it is currently an offense just to try and leave australia to visit florence without govt issued exit papers; the said exit papers to be obtained by a decree signed by an overlord in public servants garb.
    so i’d say we have a ways to go before the OP gets their wish.

  53. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    When you go to Noo Yoik and it’s closed for renovations, you are disappointed

    It’s nice too! But I meant the Bilbao one.

  54. Crossie says:

    Barcelona is a delightful mix of old, modern, odd and obscene, the obscene being the phallic monstrosity whatever it’s name. Even Gaudi’s Sagrada Familia has a gothic look on one side, designed and built by him, and the modern look on the other side still under construction yet they blend in seamlessly.

  55. Crossie says:

    Professor Fred Lenin says:
    April 11, 2021 at 9:53 pm
    Duncan , many of Oscar Niemeyers buldings designed 50 to 60 years ago would not look out of place today . He was Brasilias Walter Burley Griffin ,the city was revolutionary for its time . The two parliamentary buildings are very symbolic the Assembly and the reverse Senate .

    The best government building is The Beehive in Wellington. It even has a queen bee now.

  56. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Crossie , Gaudi was out of rge same mold as Picasso and Dali and the other zSpanish modernists ,they loved embellishments ,must be the moorish influence . Must say I am not a fan of Familigla Sagrada but I dont condem it ,it follows the classic cathedral style ,where Niemeyers Catedral do Brasil breas new ground . The window behind the altar is Awesome .

  57. Kneel says:

    “The problem with most architects is their work is done for other architects…”

    Yes, they get awards for “bold” work as well as buildings that “make a statement” – most times I find that said “statement” needs to be explained before you can even try to see it.

    But in general, some of this stuff is good, most is actually worse than a concrete, steel and glass “big box” monstrosity.

  58. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Tintarella di Luna says:
    April 11, 2021 at 3:16 pm
    “Agreed.
    Architects should all be jailed.”

    “I have seen Federation Square and agree”.

    Federation Square looks like an architectural masterpiece compared with the newer RMIT buildings which have been lavishly praised by at least one leading architect.

    If you see a really hideous contemporary building you know there’s likely to have been an architect involved and it won’t simply be a project house or a builder designed house.

    But to be fair the best buildings are also architect designed … but usually well over 100 years ago.

  59. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    This all reeks of Archiphobia ,surely theres a law agin it?
    The old fogies never appreciate progress , when Mick Angelo did the Sistine cieling the old Cardinals were saying “wossa dissa crep ,whata happen to the pea green “.

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