David Bidstrup guest post. Vaccinate or Perish!

As Australia’s vaccination plan descends further into farce it seems, to me at least, that it is all a monstrous waste of money when the numbers are examined. I have posted a couple of things regarding the “virus” before and after bringing my data on “Covid deaths” and “Covid cases” up to date, (to 9 April 2021), I wonder what all the fuss is about. The country has survived for 160 days with only 2 “Virus deaths” and 1,757 “cases”. The last death was recorded on 28 December 2020, over 3 months ago. In the 68 days since the end of January 2021 the average “cases per day” is 8, somewhere around the number of suicides each day. When the age ranges for “Virus deaths” is analysed we get the following:

The age group of 70 and above account for 94% of the deaths and the age group 80 and above account for 76% so it looks like anyone under 60 and in reasonable shape is OK. Another interesting number is the rate of deaths in deaths per million people at a state level:

The standouts are Tasmania and Victoria and it would be interesting to know how those deaths were categorised. The CDC in the US have been caught out changing the criteria and inflating deaths by counting any death where the person “tested positive” as a “Covid death” regardless of any other factors. See picture below:

Maybe the same applies, particularly in Victoria. How can it be that NSW has a rate of 6.6 and a population around 1.25 times that of Victoria that has a rate of 122.5?

The vaccines that we are being urged to accept are still in the trial stage and there has not been sufficient time elapsed to see any nasties that might develop. Already one of them, the Australian choice, is being wound back because of side effects and it is only 1 month since they have been in wide use. We keep being urged to take a “small risk” to avoid a virus that seems to be fairly benign to younger healthy people. The median life expectancy in Australia is 81 for men and 87 for women so 76% of “Virus deaths” are in the age group that are getting ready to meet their maker anyway.

Jut for the record, I am not opposed to vaccines and had all the usual shots as a kid, as did my children. What I am opposed to is participating in some mass vaccine trial that we are told will return us to some sort of normal life when the reasons for f**cking up normality seem stupid when the numbers are analysed. Here in the state of renewable bliss we have “authorities” appearing on TV urging people to get vaccinated with a “safe and effective vaccine” when there is no basis in fact for that assertion. I wonder what they will say if something goes wrong?

Life expectancy data comes from: https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/deaths-in-australia/contents/life-expectancy

Covid case and death data comes from:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data/Australia_medical_cases

If you want to see details about vaccines and “consent forms” see: https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/covid-19-vaccination-consent-form-for-covid-19-vaccination

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81 Responses to David Bidstrup guest post. Vaccinate or Perish!

  1. Rafe Champion says:

    Sorry, there should have been a trigger warning that this post could be offensive to Tasmanians and Victorians.

  2. Richard says:

    Had the vaccine been rolled out without any threats, I probably would have been in line (albeit 6-12 months down the track). However, I refuse to be coerced and with the threat of social exclusion and the proposal of an Orwellian ‘vaccine passport’, I am now what many refer to as an anti-vaxer.

  3. Lloyd says:

    I’d rather take my chances with the bug than get the jab.

    IMHO, even if I tested positive for COVID-19 and then developed symptoms there are ample therapeutics which can manage me back to survival.

    With the vaccine, should one develop blood clots would it occur in a timely enough fashion that it might be medically managed? I think the probability is low.

    In any sane world the AZ vaccine would never be allowed to go to market.

    For comparison, I was once told that under the modern era’s stringent safety standards, salicylic acid (aspirin) would never have passed muster as a new drug. I think the AZ vaccine has a much higher order of morbidity and, potentially, mortality.

  4. A Lurker says:

    If people were dropping like flies on the street then I could understand the impetus to vaccinate; however, they aren’t so Government inducement and rush seems to me to be dodgy as.

  5. Lloyd says:

    Also it will be interesting to see what AHPRA will do when it comes time for health professionals to re-register. I strongly suspect that vaccination will be made mandatory as a condition of registration.

  6. Albatross says:

    Maybe the same applies, particularly in Victoria.

    The CHO or whatever his puffed-up title is, admitted as much in a press conference.

  7. stevem says:

    The pressure to vaccinate does not really exist – as long as Australia’s borders remain firmly shut. Vaccinations become necessary when considering a reopening. At it stands, borders have been shut and, even with the pressure on to vaccinate, will remain shut until at least 2022.
    Many industries will remain at risk and out ability to travel curtailed until a sufficiently high immunity rate is achieved.

  8. David Brewer says:

    The key point is relative risk. The chance of dying of Covid, if you get it, is one in twenty if you are over 70, and one in two thousand if you are under 70. The risk is much lower still for healthy people under 50, i.e. the majority of the Australian population.

    The risk from all the available vaccines is low, but it is never zero, and for healthy young people, it is higher than the risk from getting the disease. So compulsory vaccination of the whole population is madness. It will actually kill some people who would have survived Covid, or never caught it in the first place.

  9. Tel says:

    The CDC in the US have been caught out changing the criteria and inflating deaths by counting any death where the person “tested positive” as a “Covid death” regardless of any other factors.

    If you check the CDC data two different series are provided:
    * Underlying Cause of Death
    * Multiple Cause of Death

    You wouldn’t ever see this in the media, it’s only apparent to people who bother to look.

  10. Tel says:

    How can it be that NSW has a rate of 6.6 and a population around 1.25 times that of Victoria that has a rate of 122.5?

    Vitamin D … it’s comes down out of the sky … in other words the weather is better and NSW people get out more.

  11. Lurcio says:

    My ex wife (Jabba) has had two jabs and apparently is okay. My daughter had her second jab last week and tells me that other than a headache she is fine. Both had the AZshots and live in the UK.

  12. MatrixTransform says:

    this post could be offensive to Tasmanians and Victorians

    too late.
    I rang the HRC before checking the comments section

  13. Woolfe says:

    I know 3 people who have had the jab, 2 x Astra 1 x pfizer. Pfizer bit of a headache from 2nd jab

    One of the Astras has a nasty rash on his arm directly below the jab and the other has a really sore neck , the jab was really sore as he was injected very high on the arm and may have hit a nerve.

    No thanks, no point at the moment anyway.

  14. Pogria says:

    This is what is in store for us;

  15. Geoff Cruickshank says:

    You’re quite right about the ‘vaccine.
    Victoria has had about 3000 cases per million population, whereas NSW has had about 640 cases/million so you’d expect deaths per million to be higher too.
    There is still a big difference even when that is considered- probably depends on the number of nursing homes infected

  16. Squirrel says:

    The less than reassuring vaccine roll-out is yet another example of the Commonwealth government getting into trouble when it ventures into new areas – particularly when that involves direct service delivery to the public.

    We saw that with Labor and the pink batts and school halls etc. (which is why their current criticisms are more than usually hollow), but if there’s political failure here, it’s the failure of federal politicians of all shades to recognise and acknowledge that a heavily Canberra-centric bureaucracy is not very good at doing new things in the real world.

  17. Shane says:

    Instead of being distracted by some of this keystone cops incompetence & insanity, there are a lot of us who wonder where all this taxpayer largesse leads to & into whose pockets some of that money tributaries flows.

    ”https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/04/no_author/dr-ryan-cole-blows-the-whole-covid-19-propaganda-away/
    Understand that Dr Ryan Cole is a one man producer of meta stats. The take home is that invermectan resolves the problem successfully. 375,000 are dead today because this was not applied.

    Why is this not applied by executive order forthwith? In fact this is all a matter of life and death and we have instead obstruction through media debate and its like.

    Right now, we have the science to hand and failure to act is negligent manslaughter.

    The other big take home is that 8000 mg of vitimin D is good unless Dr Fauci is a crazy. quite bluntly, he knows something i do not know and i am lifting my 2000 up immediately for winter consumption..

    Dr. Ryan Cole Blows The Whole COVID-19 Propaganda Away

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/04/no_author/dr-ryan-cole-blows-the-whole-covid-19-propaganda-away/
    ” Dr. Ryan Cole is the CEO and Medical Director of Cole Diagnostics, one of the largest independent labs in the State of Idaho. Dr. Cole has conducted over 100,000 Covid-19 lab tests and treated over 350,000 patients over his medical career.
    Coronavirus infections are seasonal
    Average COVID-19 age of death 78.6 years. Average annual US age of death historically 78.6 years.

    Face mask wearing outdoors is absolute insanity. No study shows any super-spreader event outdoors. The best mask of all is your immune system.
    There is no such thing as cold and flu season. There is only low vitamin D season.
    Inflammatory (cytokine) storm cannot be controlled without adequate vitamin D levels.
    Massive numbers of Americans have low vitamin D levels.
    96% of ICU patients are vitamin D deficient
    You cannot synthesize vitamin D from sunlight during fall and winter at 35-degrees north.
    You living in northern climates you are immune suppressed if you do not supplement with vitamin D during fall and winter.
    Scandinavian countries (Finland, Norway, Sweden) test their citizens twice a year for vitamin D and fortify 35 foods with vitamin D.
    Our population is left vulnerable to any seasonal viral infection without a public health program to promote vitamin D adequacy.
    There is not social disparity of care but the fact darker skin pigmentation inhibits sunshine vitamin D synthesis in the skin.
    Fauci says he personally takes 8000-9000 units of vitamin D per day but why has this has not become a public health message?
    The top three public health messages should be: 1- vitamin D; 2- vitamin D; 3- vitamin D.
    By law, the federal government cannot approve a vaccine if there is a proven treatment. That would be Ivermectin.

    The government is in bed with a vaccine company; both the federal government and Moderna co-hold patents on their RNA vaccine. The “fox is guarding the henhouse.”
    The drug Remdesivir only works during the first 2-3 days of the infection. It does not increase survival. It is like “peeing on a forest fire.”
    Four billion doses of Ivermectin have safely taken Ivermectin. Death rate decreased 70-90% in hospitals treating COVID-19 patients.
    Of the half million COVID-19 deaths in North America, there would be 375,000 less deaths if Ivermectin were used! Public health officials have blood on their hands. 100% of Ivermectin-treated patients don’t get ill. Works for all genetic variants.
    The vaccines are an experiment on society.
    The vaccine is unproven and long-term safety data is not even being
    You can get Ivermectin from doctors online. Myfreedoctor.com. ”

    I feel confident anyone trying to import ivermectin into Oz would met with a similar DIRE response to trying to use HCQ .
    I wonder why?
    It looks like it would help if you want to use myfreedoctor.com if you have a US, Nambian or SAfrican mailing address/

  18. Matt says:

    Maybe the same applies, particularly in Victoria. How can it be that NSW has a rate of 6.6 and a population around 1.25 times that of Victoria that has a rate of 122.5?

    Hard to take any of this post seriously if the author is posing that as a question. Victoria had a significant outbreak following problems with hotel quarantine, and NSW didn’t. Victoria had around 19,000 cases of community transmission to around 2,200 in NSW. You surely don’t expect equal mortality rates with a different disease prevalence.

  19. John Bayley says:

    So far, over 5000 people have been reported to die from the ‘jab’ (how I detest that word!) in USA and EU.

    This is before ADE and cytokine reaction can be ruled out – that takes a few more months at least.

    Now imagine what would happen if, say, a car manufacturer had a vehicle with that kind of mortality figures.

    Are we ready to sh**t all the politicians yet?

    Anyone voluntarily taking these ‘vaccines’ makes morons look pretty intelligent.

  20. Albatross says:

    Matt says:
    April 12, 2021 at 7:12 pm

    Post DOI you LARPing fucker.

  21. Albatross says:

    Matt has already established he doesn’t understand basic statistics, so fellow Cats should ignore him when he talks about numbers. Or anything. He also lies about having a PhD, and has been caught out and exposed on this point.

  22. Judge Dredd says:

    These are the same people who blindly advocated and put in place mandatory masks everywhere, mass business closures, 5km radius quarantine zones and 8pm curfews.
    Why would anyone now listen to these retarded “experts” and authority figures on getting the not-vaccine.

    The main reasons why anyone under 70 would take these rushed drugs are;
    – they are so fearful they cannot think logically.
    – they cave into the social shame.

    PS There are many videos of poor people on bitchute (they are banned from YouTube) with awful side effects shortly after taking the vaccine. These poor people are shouting for others to listen to their harrowing stories, and are brave enough to put aside their and tell their stories.

    PPS As a side note both Prince Phillip and rapper DMX died on the same day. Both got vaccinated shortly before their death. Hmmmm….

  23. TBH says:

    Our stats (deaths especially) will remain low while we continue to shut our national borders. That’s really been our best defence against the virus. If we want to start accepting international visitors again or allow Australians to travel overseas, we appear to have three choices:

    – Wait until the whole thing blows over in most other countries
    – Impose mandatory vaccination requirements on incoming visitors
    – Vaccinate a large number of our own people

    The PM and the premiers are shit scared about any kind of significant outbreak here, given that we’ve told the world how much better we’ve done things (same applies in NZ). Morrison has an election to win next year, rather like Sneakers et al have in the last 6 months, so I imagine that he’s going to push the vaccination angle.

    I want to travel overseas so I’m happy to get the jab, but only if it means I can travel freely anywhere I want. If that’s not the case why would I be in any hurry?

  24. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    I can understand the halt to create immunity from litigation ,you would never find a doctor or private clinic to co operate in the vaccinations with the contant threat of litigation hanging over them .

  25. Albatross says:

    Anyone voluntarily taking these ‘vaccines’ makes morons look pretty intelligent.

    Describes each and every vaxfag here to a tee.

  26. GM says:

    Tasmania’s numbers were largely a result of one cluster of cases in Burnie arising from the Ruby Princess fiasco.

    Tassie’s small population blows out the per capita result. It was only 13 deaths in total.

  27. Damon says:

    There was probably a reason it took 5 years to approve a vaccine. I don’t doubt that these new ones work, but that does not mean they should automatically be given to the entire population.

  28. John Comnenus says:

    And at the end of the day, in Australia, we have had around 30,000 people test positive for COVID and had fewer than 1,000 deaths. That is a death rate of 1 in 30 or 0.03% mortality. But the reality is that more people will have had COVID than have tested positive, so the worst possible case is a mortality rate about one third as bad as the flu. Most likely it is one tenth as bad as the flu. That is the only statistic that counts that no one seems to want to say – it is not even a particularly deadly disease. It is most deadly to those with other serious conditions. We have been had. When do we get our freedoms back?

  29. Matt says:

    Might need to check your maths there John – 1,000 deaths in 30,000 people (1 in 30) is 3.3% mortality, not 0.03%. Infection fatality rate is around 0.7% (see here for example) but population and age dependent. It is most certainly not less deadly than the flu.

  30. BorisG says:

    Tens of millions of people have been vaccinated and where the vaccination rate is high, achieved herd immunity. In Israel daily cases are down by 97% from justin few weeks ago, despite Passover festivities.

    Sure here it is not that urgent but are we going to live being the iron curtain forever?

    And if we vaccinate we won’t just protect ourselves but also more vulnerable and older people.

  31. BorisG says:

    Ipad eats my words sorry.

  32. BorisG says:

    Already one of them, the Australian choice, is being wound back because of side effects

    But this is just plain stupid because the rate of complications is extremely low. Like less than 1 in 100,000.

    But sure Pfizer would be better as it is more effective and tested a lot more.

  33. BorisG says:

    Anyone voluntarily taking these ‘vaccines’ makes morons look pretty intelligent.

    Maybe some of the tens of millions who took it are a bit more intelligent than a few anti vaccers here.

  34. BorisG says:

    I want to travel overseas so I’m happy to get the jab, but only if it means I can travel freely anywhere I want. If that’s not the case why would I be in any hurry?

    Well I am in a greater hurry as I want to see my mother who is 90 and not getting any younger. There are many people in this situation, but since we are a relative minority, the government does not care about us.

    I thought freedom of movement is a right.

  35. rickw says:

    Also consider that these results are without being treated with either hydroxychloroqine or any other common drug that provide effective but politically unpopular…

  36. MatrixTransform says:

    In Israel daily cases are down by 97%

    those vaccinations in Israel are so effective that even Texas shows a decline

    fucking bobble-heads

  37. John Comnenus says:

    Oops my bad. But 2 deaths in 1700 odd positive tests or 0.1% as the very worst case.

  38. Matt says:

    Not sure how you go from 1,000/30,000 to 2/1,700 – are you just making up numbers John?

  39. Maniac says:

    A former coworker died from the Kung Flu a year or so ago. Of course, the local obituaries failed to mention that he suffered from advanced COPD from years of smoking. In fact, he was out of work for the last couple of years of his life on long-term disability because of it.

    Incidentally, Covid seems to have cured the “regular” flu.

  40. Albatross says:

    Matt says:
    April 12, 2021 at 10:59 pm

    Post DOI.

  41. Albatross says:

    BorisG says:
    April 12, 2021 at 9:37 pm
    Ipad eats my words sorry.

    Not enough of them, and we’re not sorry.

  42. Bad Samaritan says:

    I’ve had hundreds of needles inserted here there and all over with vaccinations, blood donations and screening, dental work, antibiotics and anti-tetanus etc etc, but thus far all have been rather gently and slowly inserted. not one has vaguely seemed violent. Meanwhile…..Jab...

    Verb: poke roughly or quickly, especially with something sharp or pointed.”she jabbed him in his ribs”
    Noun: a quick, sharp blow, especially with the fist.
    “a jab in the stomach”

    So why would the authorities be doing it this way this time? Or more to the point; is this to prepare the population for further pain as the vaccinations fail?

    BTW; Lurcio (5.30pm). Here’s a linky to over a hundred medications which were in widespread use, then later withdrawn due to extreme side-effects being discovered…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs.
    Fair enough that most people would climb into a leaky life-raft if their boat was sinking, but why the rush if it isn’t?

  43. PB says:

    Bad Samaritan says:
    April 13, 2021 at 3:08 am
    “Here’s a linky to over a hundred medications…”

    Now that was a walk down healthcare memory lane. Seems a bit rough withdrawing potentially useful drugs because of abuse and mismanagement of them. A bit of baby with bathwater there.

  44. AustraliaTC says:

    Yes, we should never get vaccinated and stay isolated forever. At least until a mutation, like the Brazilian one, shows up, with a much higher mortality rate, specially amongst the young, and then we get desperate to get the jab.
    We are so clever, unlike the Americans, Israeli, British…. What do they know, right?

  45. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    The focus on death rate is a little misleading. Data is coming out about the long term effects of Covid, colloquially known as “long covid”.

    Over 1 Million Brits Are Reportedly Suffering From “Long COVID” (11 Apr)

    As Statista’s Martin Armstrong explains, ‘Long COVID’ is defined as “symptoms persisting more than four weeks after the first suspected coronavirus episode that are not explained by something else”.

    As this chart shows, while 420 thousand say that this does not restrict them in their daily activities, 674 thousand are experiencing some degree of problems in this regard.

    Graph

    Well worth your time to look at this graph.

    You can see from the data that the groups 35-49 and 50-69 are the worst affected by debilitation. Above 70 of course this becomes the ultimate in long term debilitation of course – death – so the debilitation numbers drop off after 70.

    From the BBC article on the story:

    Long Covid presents as a range of different symptoms suffered by people weeks or months after being infected, some of whom weren’t particularly ill with the virus in the first place.

    Fatigue is the most common problem, but breathlessness, a cough that won’t go away, hearing and eyesight problems, headaches and loss of smell and taste have all been reported.

    Of those who remained in the ONS study, one in 10 still suffered from fatigue (11.5%), a cough (11.4%) or a headache (10.1%) after five weeks.

    One in 12 people had loss of taste (8.2%) or loss of smell (7.9%) and one in 20 people had shortness of breath (4.6%).

    The stories told by those suffering this condition often paint a picture of a quality of life destroyed, with some unable to work or eat without difficulty.

    A lot of those symptoms are pretty characteristic of other viral infections, although Covid seems to be unusual in the loss of taste and smell.

    This is an important area. The vaccines could be expected to reduce such issues by prepriming the immune system to attack the virus early, so the number of virus particles doesn’t build up to high levels in the body. More virus, more damage to tissues.

    So when you consider about taking the vaccine keep this in mind – there’s death and then there’s also long term misery that you could be avoiding.

  46. John Bayley says:

    Maybe some of the tens of millions who took it are a bit more intelligent than a few anti vaccers here.

    BorisG, you do yourself a disservice by using the ‘anti-vaxer’ slur against people who are simply capable of making their own informed assessment of risk & return.

    No different to the ‘climate denier’ term, in fact.

    The truth is that VAERS shows 2,342 deaths from the CCP virus vaccines up to April 2.

    It is generally accepted that VAERS, being self-reporting, captures only between 10-15% of all adverse events.

    The situation in Europe is comparable – hence my reference above to 5,000 deaths so far.

    Furthermore, for those who have somehow repeatedly missed this bit of information, there has never been a successful coronavirus vaccine developed in the past.

    The mRNA technology (Phizer/Moderna) has had a less than stellar history in animal trials, where after successful antibody production, all animals died when later exposed to the live virus.

    Please point me to a place where it is shown these current versions of mRNA vaccines are shown to not suffer from this defect. I bet you can’t, because no such proof exists – animal trials were simply skipped once ‘Emergency Approval’ was granted.

    I won’t go into the mortality figures of this virus because it’s been done to death and the likes of you simply ignore the inescapable conclusion that it’s nowhere near as bad as even several past ‘pandemics’.

    Suffice it to say though that if you believe ‘the jab’ will allow you to go back to normal, you may wish to reconsider. In the UK, the government has already started making noises about ‘booster shots being necessary’ in the autumn and Boris Johnson has advised Brits not to book any summer holidays abroad, and not to expect to stop having to ‘social distance’ or wear masks.

    The ‘new normal’ is here and, unfortunately, people like you only help it take hold.

  47. Matt says:

    It’s ironic that the people who claim that people only died with and not from COVID-19 quite happily assert that every death post vaccine is caused by the vaccine.

  48. Mater says:

    It’s ironic that the people who claim that people only died with and not from COVID-19 quite happily assert that every death post vaccine is caused by the vaccine.

    Just being consistent, Matt.

    Dr Brett Sutton – Victorian Chief Medical Officer – 28th August 2020.

    ‘Anyone who is a confirmed case who dies is classified amongst coronavirus deaths. So it doesn’t have to be definitely from coronavirus and in some instances in aged care there would have been some residents who were already receiving palliative care who became infected with coronavirus.’

    Surely all subsequent deaths of people who were vaccinated should be counted as vaccine related deaths? Surely it doesn’t have “to be definitely from” the vaccine? According to the Victorian Chief Medical Officer, this is acceptable medical and statistical practice.

  49. John Bayley says:

    Ask yourselves also, why is there such a push for these ‘vaccines’ when it is now entirely beyond any doubt that there are other, much safer treatments available?

    This recent study from Oxford Uni shows common asthma inhalers “reduced the relative risk of requiring urgent care or hospitalisation by 90% in the 28-day study period.”

    If you are still keen to play Russian roulette with a ‘jab’ that only very limited testing behind it, good luck to you. Just don’t sneer at those who politely refuse.

  50. Matt says:

    Are you being consistent Mater? Do you accept that there has been a significant increase in mortality caused by COVID-19? That COVID-19 is more deadly than the flu?

    Surely all subsequent deaths of people who were vaccinated should be counted as vaccine related deaths?

    There are a couple of key factors to consider with causation. Death post-vaccine certainly meets the time sequence criteria. But what is the proposed biological mechanism? How strong is the association (3000 deaths from 120+ million vaccines doesn’t point to a strong association)? I’m not saying that the various vaccines might not have a risk associated with it, but it’s far from conclusive to say there is significant risk.

  51. Mater says:

    Are you being consistent Mater? Do you accept that there has been a significant increase in mortality caused by COVID-19? That COVID-19 is more deadly than the flu?

    Don’t go doing a 1735099 on me, and start shifting my goalposts. I haven’t commented on mortality, etc.

    Stick with the fucking subject you raised.

    Sutton said that someone’s death “doesn’t have to be definitely from coronavirus”. Consequently, he’s skewed the mortality figures. Now if a death “doesn’t have to be definitely from” the cause that is officially given, how can you have any faith in the figures given for vaccine deaths?

    Stop pivoting! and admit what happened. That is, Covid has been used as a political tool. Most of all, stop being an unthinking shill.

  52. Matt says:

    Do you have the full quote from Sutton, or just the snippet? I note that you highlight ‘doesn’t have to be definitely from coronavirus’ but not ‘in some instances in aged care there would have been some residents who were already receiving palliative care who became infected with coronavirus.’
    What he is saying (as others have) is that there might be some misclassification around the edges, but it’s a stretch to go from there to saying that all or even the majority of COVID deaths are a misclassification.

  53. Albatross says:

    Mater says:
    April 13, 2021 at 8:20 am

    Mater, Matt has been caught out and exposed lying about having a PhD. He’s a lying liar who lies, and a self-important bore. He’s been told the madness ends when he posts the DOI for his thesis, or admits his lie. So far he’s done neither.

  54. Mater says:

    What he is saying (as others have) is that there might be some misclassification around the edges, but it’s a stretch to go from there to saying that all or even the majority of COVID deaths are a misclassification.

    I never said that either.
    As for the quote, he said it on live television. I saw it, and nearly fell off my chair.
    You’re quite capable of finding it yourself. I gave you the date.

    By a minute, or a mile, the mortality figures have been skewed, and neither of us are in a position to judge by how much.

  55. Matt says:

    I’ve found that part of the quote repeated in Hansard and a few other places, but not the full quote.
    All-cause mortality suggests that COVID mortality hasn’t been significantly distorted.
    As to vaccine mortality – I’m interested to see more information on proposed mechanisms across the different vaccines.

  56. Mater says:

    I’ve found that part of the quote repeated in Hansard and a few other places, but not the full quote.

    No doubt. Not convenient for the narrative.

    It was during the daily briefings, in response to a question IIRC.

  57. Albatross says:

    You can try talk your way past it all you like you lying fucker. The “deaths” are just deaths accompanying a positive PCR test, and I’ve *seen* the Victorian Chief Medical Imbecile admit this during a press conference with my *own fucking eyes*. Your words won’t conjure a new reality, any more than they can conjure you a PhD from Maebourne MDHS.

  58. Albatross says:

    Matt: fuck off until you return with a DOI and a clue.

  59. Lutz says:

    The situation showing where the mRNA may well affect our DNA is covered in an article:
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/could-mrna-vaccines-permanently-alter-dna-recent-science-suggests-they-might

  60. Matt says:

    So here is the 28 Oct press conference with Sutton, and the exchange with a journo from about 21:20:

    Journo: There was a bit of attention on the gentleman who was reported to have passed away in his 20s. To an observer, coronavirus wasn’t actually the cause of death

    Sutton: Well we need to see what a coroner would say about a cause of death where there is a coronial investigation that comes to a finding they’re not counted as coronavirus deaths. In aged care in particular there are a number of cases where someone has a very serious pre-existing condition and then gets coronavirus it’s much more difficult. They’re not all coronial cases. They won’t all have a manifestly apparent cause of death on a death certificate necessarily but what we do know is that a quarter to a third of all cases who got coronavirus in aged care have died. So coronavirus is a very significant illness in that population and it’s not unreasonably to classify those deaths as deaths from coronavirus when we understand that that wouldn’t happen in a normal week, in a normal fortnight in aged care.

  61. Muz says:

    WA gov can vaccinate me by force now (example given is being held down by “a police officer” and injected with a vaccine). Six months ago I thought, that will never happen. But why else have it on the books? I don’t know about other states. I like to live on the sidelines now, less tracking things down going on, prefer to put the spuds and garlic in these days.

  62. Albatross says:

    Matt says:
    April 13, 2021 at 9:05 am

    Fuck off Googler. You bring no new insight to the conversation whatever.

  63. Albatross says:

    You can’t even fucking Google correctly you lying fucker:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/died-from-or-died-with-covid-19-we-need-a-transparent-approach-to-counting-coronavirus-deaths-145438

    [T]he COVID-19 death toll publicised daily on Australian state and territory government websites and reported to the press does not differentiate between the two. It includes all people who’ve died with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) in their body.

    Fuck off forever and return with your DOI or not at all.

  64. Andre Lewis says:

    Although I have had the first vaccination (over 70) because I want to travel in future I have no great conviction it works as publicised. But what is one to do when governments and media around the globe hype this pandemic incredibly and will keep international borders closed for as long as they like. While it is not a mandatory vaccination regime it acts as one simply because we are trapped in a bubble without getting it.

  65. STJOHNOFGRAFTON says:

    Shane,
    “8000 mg of vitimin D” will be toxic and destroy your health faster than covid.

    Hopefully you mean 8000IU (International Units). Ten thousand IU is the maximum daily dose recommended.

    Hopefully no one is fool enough to consume 8000mg (8g) of vitamin D3 as a daily dose.

  66. Mater says:

    So here is the 28 Oct press conference with Sutton, and the exchange with a journo from about 21:20:

    Ok Matt, I’ve done the hard work for you.
    If you want to verify the original quote that I posted from Sutton, try the 19 Aug 20 Press Conference (at about 48:55).

    There has been a lot of memory holing going on, but you can get it here through the Channel 7 FB page.

    https://fb.watch/4QE4uvlmse/

    Or perhaps

    https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSMelbourne/videos/405283963782980/

    So that makes two examples of him admitting to what is happening (yours and mine).

  67. Albatross says:

    Matt, you’ve absolutely beclowned yourself. Time to leave this place and never return.

  68. tombell says:

    But what is one to do when governments and media around the globe hype this pandemic incredibly and will keep international borders closed for as long as they like.

    the moronic without notice lockdowns and border closures will stay as long as:-

    a. there is political advantage to be had in continuing the fear campaign (the WA result is almost unprecedented even allowing for the millennial jerk leading the Libs); and/or

    b. the global one world government elites see the wuflu as their best opportunity to implement lasting change.

    What I find even more depressing is the apparent willingness of many people to just go along with this crap.

  69. egg_ says:

    Jobkeeper ends and then…

    Federal Court to decide the fate of Qantas | 9 News Australia
    The Federal Court will decide whether Qantas acted illegally when it sacked hundreds of Sydney ground crew and gave their jobs to a cheaper contractor.

  70. Matt says:

    Thanks Mater – your original post said 28 Aug, so that was the one I linked to (even though I wrote 28 Oct). I’ll have a look at your 19 Aug one.

  71. Albatross says:

    Matt says:
    April 13, 2021 at 11:38 am

    Absolutely beclowned. Posts DOI.

  72. 1735099 says:

    Matt, you’ve absolutely beclowned yourself. Time to leave this place and never return.

    Translated:
    You’re a threat to the orthodoxy, or the pecking order, or both.

  73. Albatross says:

    It’s our other resident idiot. At least this one doesn’t lie about his level of education; only every other thing.

  74. Mater says:

    Someone rattled a can.

  75. NoFixedAddress says:

    STJOHNOFGRAFTON says:
    April 13, 2021 at 10:27 am
    Shane,
    “8000 mg of vitimin D” will be toxic and destroy your health faster than covid.

    Hopefully you mean 8000IU (International Units). Ten thousand IU is the maximum daily dose recommended.

    Hopefully no one is fool enough to consume 8000mg (8g) of vitamin D3 as a daily dose.

    There are plenty of clowns out there convinced that President Trump was advocating bleach injections or fish tank cleaning chemicals.

  76. Kneel says:

    “…President Trump…”

    Was certainly correct that the dems were “coming for your guns” and that the only chance of protecting “your 2nd amendment rights” was to vote 1 DJT.

    Still, more guns than people in the US now…

  77. John A says:

    NoFixedAddress says: April 13, 2021, at 12:35 pm

    STJOHNOFGRAFTON says: April 13, 2021, at 10:27 am
    Shane,
    “8000 mg of vitimin D” will be toxic and destroy your health faster than covid.

    Hopefully you mean 8000IU (International Units). Ten thousand IU is the maximum daily dose recommended.

    Hopefully no one is fool enough to consume 8000mg (8g) of vitamin D3 as a daily dose.

    There are plenty of clowns out there convinced that President Trump was advocating bleach injections or fish tank cleaning chemicals.

    And most of them were in the fake news media and TDS cohort.

  78. Fogged In says:

    Struggling to understand why there is resistance to a vaccine when every reputable authority makes a strong recommendation for people to grab whatever primary option is open to them. Vaccines have been tested by the usual regimes so if the author is – as he says – not opposed to vaccination then there really isn’t any excuse for rhetorical argument.
    As one who is severely affected by travel restrictions I’d hope that responsible people would encourage measures that advance out potential to get back to business.

  79. Albatross says:

    Fogged In says:
    April 14, 2021 at 8:22 am
    […]
    As one who is severely affected by travel restrictions I’d hope that responsible people would encourage measures that advance out potential to get back to business.

    Slave.

  80. Kneel says:

    ” Vaccines have been tested by the usual regimes…”

    Except the wait for long-term effects (if any) – do you honestly think skipping those is a good idea? In the event that a long-term effect is sterility after 2 years, or heightened death rate when exposed to one of the new “variants”, that would be a big deal, no? The former seems unlikely, but given previous attempts at corona virus vaccines the latter seems very likely.
    All those people getting headaches after the jab – likely blood clots in the brain, that being the place most likely to be “first off the rank” for the reported response of the body creating a (auto)immune response to platelet factor 4 (clotting with lower than normal platelet count). They were just lucky it wasn’t fatal.

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