Into People’s Arms

It’s important that we get the current generation of vaccines into people’s arms so that we are ready for potential booster shots as early as later this year to deal with the variants, or the mutations, that are spreading all around the world.”

Mark Butler, sounding like Keith Richards’ smack wrangler on the ’72 tour

This entry was posted in COVID-19, Politics. Bookmark the permalink.

65 Responses to Into People’s Arms

  1. H B Bear says:

    If only he was in Hawaii.

  2. mh says:

    Nick Cave – Into my arms

  3. duncanm says:

    awesome — boosters for new variants for evah!

  4. H B Bear says:

    Think pink batts but with hypodermic needles. Umm … I’ll wait till the next round I think.

    No word yet in our metropolitan Perth acquired brain injury facility that I presume is lumped in with aged care facilities in the 1A phase. Some generic government gumph appeared in the common area to read but that is about it. Suits me fine.

  5. calli says:

    for potential booster shots as early as later this year to deal with the variants, or the mutations, that are spreading all around the world.

    So which is it?

    Oh, that’s right. You’ll never let us go will you. There will always be a deadlier variant, in spite of attenuation.

    Because “science”. And movies.

  6. shatterzzz says:

    At 73 I’m in no hurry or intending to get the jab unless it becomes compulsory ( as in affecting my OAP) so take all the time you like, Scotty ……. LOL!

  7. bradd says:

    This massive stuffup over vaccines should disabuse us, once and for all, of the notion that it is the actions of our governments that ‘kept us safe’ from the virus. Millions of people out there still believe this, sad to say, and they have rewarded disastrous behaviour by State governments, costing hundreds of billions of dollars, with landslide election wins.

  8. Mark M says:

    Who is this “we” you speak of, Kemosabe?

  9. Mark M says:

    Kemosabe’s lesson on prejudice…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=56seLV0boUc

  10. Cui Bono says:

    So glad the political class, almost entirely in low-risk age groups, has protected itself.

  11. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Maybe Mr Butler could approach the great socialist nation of China for vaccines?
    I’m sure they would just love to help him out.

    China admits its vaccines aren’t very good (11 Apr)

    BEIJING — In a rare admission of the weakness of Chinese coronavirus vaccines, the country’s top disease control official says their effectiveness is low and the government is considering mixing them to get a boost.

    Chinese vaccines “don’t have very high protection rates,” said the director of the China Centers for Disease Control, Gao Fu, at a conference Saturday in the southwestern city of Chengdu.

    I think Mr Fu will be going on a long holiday in Xinjiang quite soon.

  12. Cui Bono says:

    Sorry got that wrong. Apparently young Josh F is waiting his turn. Good on him.

  13. RobK says:

    My understanding of biology suggests that vaccines will in-fact increase the pressure on the virus to “mutate”. I don’t think anyone should seriously think vaccines are the panacea. It’s a management tool.

  14. Rivesutra says:

    Oh, that’s right. You’ll never let us go will you

    No, there will always be a “variant” for the Covid varmint.
    The taste of power the pollies have had, it’s a better high than smack and even more addictive.

  15. a happy little debunker says:

    Lockdowns today, Lockdowns tomorrow, Lockdowns forever…
    Mutants today, Double Mutants tomorrow, Mutants forever…
    Politician’s abdicating leadership & policy today, tomorrow & forever…

    Some things are settled, science – not so much!

  16. mh says:

    RobK says:
    April 12, 2021 at 9:53 am
    My understanding of biology suggests that vaccines will in-fact increase the pressure on the virus to “mutate”. …

    That point is being argued by independent virologist Geert Vanden Bossch.

  17. MatrixTransform says:

    yesterday I was looking through the window of the local medical centre which is beside the pizza shop, near the bakery, next to the IGA.

    signs are up “vaccinations this way”

    inside there is a big cardboard cut-out all cartoonish saying “I’m a COVID super hero!!”
    there’s an arrow pointing to where you put your head for the selfie shot.

    It’s all a little bit Luna Park for my liking.

    and no, I am not making this shit up.

    this is how stupid they reckon we are

    milling around are punters all masked up and you can see them all wide-eyed like sheep going up a ramp into the truck

  18. Notafan says:

    Why, if the variants aren’t as virulent?

  19. Gorilla Dance Party says:

    this is how stupid they reckon we are

    A lot of people are stupid though. I understand there are plenty that can’t wait to get it and call their GPs about it.

    As I am just a white, heterosexual man, I will be deferring my shot in perpetuity to people who are more diverse. As we’re still taking plenty in, I expect I’ll never get my shot but I can’t imagine that will hurt my life expectancy any.

  20. Mother Lode says:

    Every time he looks at Newspoll Morro will be shaking his head with disbelief.

    He is taking his cue from the ABC and The Ague but for some reason Australians are not giving him the support he expected.

    What do they want?

  21. Chris M says:

    According to the meeja the USA is just getting worse each week despite having so many vaccinated. It’s Trumps fault somehow.

  22. BorisG says:

    In Israel vaccinations have already created herd immunity and new daily cases have now declined by 97 per cent. Vaccination not only protects you but also the community and including vulnerable people. Of course it is not urgent in Australia at all but some people want/need to travel overseas etc. Alarmism about vaccines (serious condition 1 per over 100,000) is just alarmism. I would get a jab at first opportunity.

  23. thefrollickingmole says:

    FIFY

    Alarmism about China Lung AIDs (serious condition 1 per over 100,000) is just alarmism.

  24. Perfidious Albino says:

    BorisG – vs Virus 1:100,000+

  25. Mark M says:

    Israel may have reached a ‘sort of herd immunity’ from COVID, expert says
    Eran Segal says virus cases down 97% since January as result of successful vaccination drive, additional restrictions can safely be lifted

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-may-have-reached-a-sort-of-herd-immunity-expert-says/

    “Some caps on gatherings and in schools remain in effect, however.

    Israel also currently limits the number of people who can enter and exit the country each day, fearing the spread of variants that could undermine the effective vaccination program.”

    The new normal? No thanks.

  26. MatrixTransform says:

    In Israel vaccinations have already

    Boris, as usual, manages to rewrite history and predict the future in a one fell swoop.

    good on ya Boz

  27. Roger says:

    Hate to concede it, but Butler has a point. The government was over reliant on Astra Zeneca. Haven’t seen much about it in the press, but the company’s chief is an Australian who has reportedly been working closely with federal health authorities in the vaccine rollout. A little too closely, perhaps?

  28. Tom says:

    Great post, CL — 10/10 for creativity and graphics alone!

  29. tombell says:

    politically this has always been a train wreck for SloMo. A “national cabinet” over which he had no authority. State governments playing the fear card relentlessly and reaping the political reward. The Feds picking up the tab (rooting the nation’s finances along the way) and now copping the flak over vaccine roll-out delays. (a vaccine for a typically mild virus .) Between now and next election Labor/ABC etc will be obsessed with this “failure of governance” and the “risk” it poses. Throw in the sex scandals, lack of diversity, climate change inaction etc etc with the attendant media hostitlity and even Albo looks a reasonable bet to win. Bob Brown won’t be saving Queensland for the coalition this time round and Bowen will keep his mouth shut. Dare say Albo will promise to ramp up the vaccine roll out per Butler above, extend job keeper “until the nation is back on its feet” along with some “innovation” – let’s build cars (mind you the Libs are converting a nuclear sub to diesel). But SloMo went along with the panic. He allowed the States to ride rough shod over him. He tried to own the panic by being king of the vaccine roll out and has failed. He owns his government’s impending doom.

  30. rickw says:

    awesome — boosters for new variants for evah!

    Big Pharma’s business plan for the next 20 years.

    Hydroxychloroqine was never going to be a solution to this problem. It’s cheap and made by the ton in India.

  31. Roger says:

    Bob Brown won’t be saving Queensland for the coalition this time round

    The perception that Bob Brown turned regional QLD to the Coalition is a southern perspective. Bill “Watch me talk out of both sides of my Mouth” Shorten owns that one completely. Albanese is still doing it, but with a little less condescension. Whether that is enough to mollify mining communities up here remains to be seen. But we digress…

  32. Delta says:

    It’s just as well Morrison abandoned his target because he won’t make it, if only because I and other people here won’t be vaccinated. Mind you, it’s a pretty good strategy for the CCP (likely?) to plan and promote a fake global pandemic (remember the videos of the people dropping like dead cicadas in Wuhan a year ago?) to panic (or coerce corrupt?) governments around the world to impose totalitarian lock-downs on their citizens and economies.

    Then quickly and seamlessly move from flatten the curve (remember that – the 15 days only?) now to eliminate the virus but keep the virus alive through false positive testing (keep the pcr rate up high enough to detect positives – then only lower the rate when “expedient” so to do). But keep the population alarmed as per Sanjeev’s posts.

    The finale to play out over time could well be the rna vaccine to introduce later hyper-immune responses on a scale. But don’t forget to vaccinate all your military and younger people! Now wouldn’t that be a brilliant long term strategy to take down an enemy without firing a shot?

    BTW, Sanjeev’s posts on Telegram are worth reading.

  33. Slim Cognito says:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/doctors-stop-offering-astrazeneca-jabs-over-legal-risk-20210410-p57i5f.html

    From the silly moaning herald no less. GP’s are afraid they will get sued down the line stating:

    “We’ve got essentially a tidal wave of patients coming to us asking advice when the science is not settled.”

    So the science is not settled?

  34. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Mutants of mutants of mants of mutants of the original virus ?
    Is that like borrowing money to pay the interest on the money you borrowed to pay the interest on the money you borrowed to pay the interest on the money you originally borrowed , ? Political perpetual motion .
    More lockdowns and we wont get change out of a$500billion note to buy Pravda onthe Yarra .

  35. mh says:

    Is Mark Butler getting paid by Big Pharma?

    Sounds like it.

  36. Slim Cognito says:

    GP’s should be worried. From what I can tell, the gov has given legal indemnities to the vaccine manufacturers which means they may have some protection. If affected people cannot sue the manufacturers, GP’s are next in line to be sued and there are no special protections for them as yet.

  37. Roger says:

    GP’s are next in line to be sued and there are no special protections for them as yet.

    GPs have been indemnified according to Greg Hunt.

  38. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    The point about GPs being sued for administering the drug, with government pressure to do so ,if an unexpected side effect occurs the ambulance chasers will be on their case ,and we all know what those legal vultures are like .
    I have spoken to two medical men who both expressed some doubt about the rapidity of the trials conducted on the vaccines . While the blood clotting incidents are extremely rare none the less they are indicative of what can happen ,and these incidents only occurred in the first few months of commencement of vaccination .
    As my old Italian mate said ,”Ima dunno wossa happen now “.

  39. Rockdoctor says:

    This is doing damage to all vaccines reputations will take years to repair. There has been so much information, selective part information and mis-information, the truth seems to have been lost somewhere in the fog of war. I am at a stage where I take anything released with a grain of salt. Statistics have been tortured to breaking point, the dismissal of possible alternative drugs, big pharma all trying to step on each other to get the monopoly on the holy grail and the shouty method to silence any questions, debates or concerns just adds to my unease.

  40. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    The government was over reliant on Astra Zeneca.

    They weren’t actually, having ordered 10 million Pfizer, 54 million AZ and 51 million Novovax. The Pfizer order is now 40 million after the company said they could deliver.

    I think the problem is they were keen to push AZ produced here by CSL. That is understandable especially now that the EU have gone full nazi and nicking the Australian ordered doses after stuffing up their own program.

    The MSM will of course be howling about anything which makes ScoMo look bad. I suspect it’s a mix of bullcrap and ScoMo listening to Newspoll when he should be ignoring it.

  41. Roger says:

    They weren’t actually, having ordered 10 million Pfizer, 54 million AZ and 51 million Novovax.

    But Novovax isn’t ready yet, so AZ was intended to be the “work horse” of the rollout, at least in the first phase.

  42. Slim Cognito says:

    GPs have been indemnified according to Greg Hunt.

    By their usual medical malpractice insurers, not by the government. Doesn’t stop them getting sued. As I said, no special protections for them yet.

    This from RACGP website:

    “Each of the major medical defence organisations has released information addressing professional indemnity coverage for members providing COVID-19 vaccinations.
    Avant
    MDA National
    MIGA
    MIPS
    If you are insured by another provider, contact that company directly regarding your coverage.
    In summary, if you hold a professional indemnity policy and your scope of practice includes prescribing or administering vaccines, you will be covered in a similar way to other vaccination programs in the event of an adverse reaction following vaccination.”

  43. RobK says:

    the dismissal of possible alternative drugs,

    Highlights

    Ivermectin is an inhibitor of the COVID-19 causative virus (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro.


    A single treatment able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in virus at 48 h in cell culture.


    Ivermectin is FDA-approved for parasitic infections, and therefore has a potential for repurposing.


    Ivermectin is widely available, due to its inclusion on the WHO model list of essential medicines.

    Abstract
    Although several clinical trials are now underway to test possible therapies, the worldwide response to the COVID-19 outbreak has been largely limited to monitoring/containment. We report here that Ivermectin, an FDA-approved anti-parasitic previously shown to have broad-spectrum anti-viral activity in vitro, is an inhibitor of the causative virus (SARS-CoV-2), with a single addition to Vero-hSLAM cells 2 h post infection with SARS-CoV-2 able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in viral RNA at 48 h. Ivermectin therefore warrants further investigation for possible benefits in humans.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
    Cheap as chips.

  44. RobK says:

    Gets rid of worms too.

  45. Roger says:

    By their usual medical malpractice insurers, not by the government.

    Hunt was quite specific: thre is a Commonwealth indemnity scheme that will cover any GP who administers AZ to a patient who subsequently develops blood clots.

  46. Frank says:

    GP’s should be worried.

    But should we be worried about GPs? It used to be common for the health department to offer cash incentives for a general practice to have vaccination rates for ethnic minorities up above a certain level. The extent to which they are suggesting a vaccination for reasons other than your best interests is open to debate. Whether that is a good thing or not is beyond me to answer however.

  47. Speedbox says:

    Rockdoctor says:
    April 12, 2021 at 11:52 am
    This is doing damage to all vaccines reputations will take years to repair.

    I made that very point to someone only a couple of days ago. Astra Zeneca is deeply wounded as a brand and few (under 50) will ‘take the risk’. It doesn’t help that Belgium has discontinued use to those under 55 whilst Spain and Italy have discontinued use to those under 60 !

    Australia is at the end of a long global queue with regard to the Pfizer vaccine and Novavax is still a few months away from being released in Australia.

    Meanwhile, whilst the current crop of vaccines appear to be effective against the mutations, the Brazilian covid appears to be an entirely new version resistant to those vaccines. So, the merry -go-round starts…..

    From every perspective, this is a very serious problem for Australia not least of which is our tourism sector. In 2019, some 9 million people arrived at our borders spending about $50Bn on assorted activities such as tourism, business, students, working holidays etc. Some 650,000 Australians are employed in the tourism sector in one form or another.

    For the past year, the inbound and outbound gates have been shut and now another year will pass and quite possibly, another 18 months.

    With regard to outbound travel, I have previously posted that I thought Australians would be able to leave this country from about the end of October 2021 based on the (AZ) vaccine rollout program. Now, I think the earliest date is March 31st 2022 but I am not fully confident. It would be political dynamite to allow those vaccinated to travel overseas whilst denying that same ‘privilege*’ to those who can’t get vaccinated even if they wanted to. Therefore, on an ‘all or none’ basis, mid 2022 seems more likely.

    By that time, the world will be vaccinated against the original covid and its mutations but it remains to be seen whether any new versions of have been controlled.

    * Australia is a nation of immigrants, many of whom have enduring and solid links to family overseas. Those Australians do not consider visiting/receiving their family as a ‘privilege’.

  48. dopey says:

    Keith Richards at the clinic. ‘I’m here to get the jab luv. Bought me own needle too,ya can’t be too careful.’.

  49. Rohan says:

    Rockdoctor says:
    April 12, 2021 at 11:52 am

    Yes, I no longer trust the government with anything. They’re all Green-Marxists trying to out flank each other by going further and further extreme left.

  50. Rohan says:

    Speedbox says:
    April 12, 2021 at 12:39 pm

    I made that very point to someone only a couple of days ago. Astra Zeneca is deeply wounded as a brand and few (under 50) will ‘take the risk’.

    I turned 50 last November. I now identify as a 45 year old. Thankfully I don’t look my age, so I think I’ll get away with it.

  51. Speedbox says:

    Rohan says:
    April 12, 2021 at 1:07 pm

    Mate, I’m in my 60s and am reaching for the anti-aging serums!

    🙂

  52. Dr Faustus says:

    Astra Zeneca is deeply wounded as a brand and few (under 50) will ‘take the risk’. It doesn’t help that Belgium has discontinued use to those under 55 whilst Spain and Italy have discontinued use to those under 60 !

    As I understand it, it’s not the risk of blood-clot-death that increases in the younger cohort, it’s the offsetting risk of severe/fatal consequences of Covid that diminish.

    That is, at 75 years old the calculus of a 0.0001% chance of dying of the Jab is offset by the 10% chance of dying of the Rona – whereas at under 50 the Rona mortality approaches zero.

  53. Eyrie says:

    milling around are punters all masked up and you can see them all wide-eyed like sheep going up a ramp into the truck

    Or the cattle going up the ramp into the truck in the Gary Larsen cartoon “Hey, no pushing in!”

  54. Speedbox says:

    Dr Faustus says:
    April 12, 2021 at 1:37 pm

    Thing is Dr F, with our low interest, minimal understanding population being fed by a hysterical fear inducing media, there is zero chance that any nuance will cut through.

    Scotty from marketing had a go but it was a fool’s errand. Maybe that was appropriate but the AZ name is ‘mud’ for most of the population.

    I agree that the risk is vanishingly small but facts don’t get much airplay these days. (innumerable examples available).

  55. Dr Faustus says:

    Thing is Dr F, with our low interest, minimal understanding population being fed by a hysterical fear inducing media, there is zero chance that any nuance will cut through.

    You can take that to the bank.

  56. Bruce says:

    I’m slightly perplexed:

    How are all these “mutant” strains of Wu-Flu spreading around the world so rapidly if virtually all commercial airline traffic is grounded? Slow boats / cruise ship?

    Diplomatic bags: Up to and including 40ft. containers?

    Teleportation?

    The narrative is getting weirder by the day..

    Any suggestions?

  57. Arky says:

    I told yiz: The vaccines aren’t going to do shit.

  58. Mother Lode says:

    How are all these “mutant” strains of Wu-Flu spreading around the world so rapidly if virtually all commercial airline traffic is grounded?

    Forget science. This is Da Science.

  59. Speedbox says:

    Bruce says:
    April 12, 2021 at 2:35 pm

    Teleportation?

    Laughed out loud at that.

    It is a curiosity that the “South African strain” or “UK strain” can find its way into other countries but borders overseas are not entirely closed. Even our borders are not 100% shut. The difference is quarantine.

    I suspect the infection by the variations is mostly driven by those who are asymptomatic (no apparent symptoms) and even though that person often has to go into quarantine, the duration varies. In England its 10 days; the EU countries have various rules – too many to list but in some cases no quarantine or as little as 48 hours. The point is there is no significant consistency and even if you have to go into quarantine, it can be in a self nominated location (which is routinely abused). Rarely will you be thrown into a quarantine hotel and have the door locked behind you for 14 days. Only we do that.

    So, a few returned travellers wander about and in some cases they carry a variant. We have seen how infections can ‘get out’ from our system so you can imagine how easily this would occur in substantially more populated city centres with fewer/inconsistent quarantine requirements.

  60. Speedbox says:

    Whilst that may sound chaotic and self-inflicted, remember that the actual number of EU covid infections is estimated to be at least 3x the number actually reported. (Many are asymptomatic, or very mild non hospitalisation and stay at home for a few days. No reporting.)

    Therefore, again notwithstanding their seemingly disorganised vaccine rollout, a large portion of the EU population have already been exposed and are likely ‘immune’ to the standard variants. Unlike here in Australia where we are covid virgins with much less population exposure. That is partly why the vaccine is more important to our government because we have been too efficient and actually went for elimination. “Flattening the curve” was the initial goal before somebody thought elimination was possible. Now, we will pay a high price as the rest of the world recovers and we cower in our corner waiting for Pfizer.

  61. twostix says:

    In Israel vaccinations have already created herd immunity and new daily cases have now declined by 97 per cent. Vaccination not only protects you but also the community and including vulnerable people.

    Covid19 “vaccines” don’t prevent you getting or transmitting it. There is no “herd immunity” to be had from any of these experimental preventative treatments.

    You’re a liar.

    What’s caused “herd immunity” is a critical mass of people in the tiny shithole of Israel all having had exposure to the virus.

    Hey you know what would protect vulnerable Australians people though? Not letting millions of people from shithole communist countries move to Australia and take up residence in PHD programs where they do things like hire Chinese nationals ahead of Australians and demand we accept medical tyranny and authoritarianism because that’s what they grew up with.

  62. twostix says:

    Coronaviruses mutate.

    Do people seriously think that nobody has been trying to cure the common cold for the last 50 years? That up until 2021 every pharma company decided all together that there just was no money to be made, no market for a vaccine which prevents the common cold, and so none of them were trying? Hey let’s spend a billion making a vaccine for Chickenpox, coronaviruses though,? Nah nobody wants that.

    Then 2021 arrives and it was all “oh, wait, after half a century of failure, that was really easy, here’s a thing we’ve made that doesn’t actually prevent you catching it, nor spreading it, nor getting sick from it…but it might stop you dying from it….for now until it mutates in six months then you’ll have to buy another 500 million doses”.

    Which are…the exact same problems they’ve previously run into when trying to push ‘vaccines’ for coronaviruses which made them complete non-starters.

    It’s mind blowing how dumb the discourse is around vaccines and the public health / pharma industry.

  63. twostix says:

    From the ABC back in the olden days last year when the public still clung to a thread of sanity:

    One of the problems with corona vaccines in the past has been that when the immune response does cross over to where the virus-infected cells are it actually increases the pathology rather than reducing it,” Professor Frazer said.

    “So that immunisation with SARS corona vaccine caused, in animals, inflammation in the lungs which wouldn’t otherwise have been there if the vaccine hadn’t been given.”

    I think it would be fair to say that the natural immunity that you get after infection from this coronavirus is probably going to turn out like the coronaviruses we’ve seen in the past.

    “There will be some natural protection over a period of months, maybe even years, but it won’t be lifelong.

    The good news is that if you get reinfected with the virus a second time some months down the track, there will probably be enough immunity there to stop you becoming seriously ill.”

  64. Arky says:

    Twostix cuts through to the core of it.
    As suspected.
    the vaccines aren’t going to do shit.

  65. Kneel says:

    “I told yiz: The vaccines aren’t going to do shit.”

    If it did nothing and had absolutely no side effects – ie, it was equivalent to a saline injection – I would take it to shut them up.
    However, there is risk of anaphylaxis, the risk that it will make any case of Covid-19 worse as all prior attempts at a corona virus vaccine have, the risk of blood clots, risk of sterility, risk to pregnant females etc etc.
    If taking does NOT mean I can travel, does NOT mean we “open up”, does NOT reduce the need for socialist distancing, does NOT reduce the need for mask wearing… I’m not seeing very much “up side” and quite a bit of “down side”. Add that the current known risk of taking the vaccine appears to be similar to the risk of the actual disease itself (combined actually getting it times result of getting it), plus that treatments are considerably better than before meaning much less risk of a fatal consequence, and I’ll give it a big miss – just not worth it, IMO.

    As for needing until 2022 before we can “safely” open up, by then it will have “burnt out” in any case, especially if, as and when more places “open up” after they reach “herd immunity”. So why even bother?

Comments are closed.