Australia Post and Christine Holgate

One of the justifications for large CEO salaries is that their positions are vulnerable – they can be fired by the Board for pretty much any reason, or no reason at all.

The ability of the Board to hire and fire the CEO is a critical component of corporate governance which otherwise would reduce the accountability of the CEO to the Board.

Christine Holgate, the former CEO of Australia Post – who had a salary of $2.6 million per annum – is claiming that she was illegally terminated by the Australia Post Board acting under pressure by the Australian Government over gifts of Cartier watches.

Holgate claims she was ‘bullied’ and in testimony to the Parliament today said

And I think if you read that note and I apologise in advance, that it is rambling and it is rambling because I was seriously ill, I was on temazepam.

I was suicidal. You know? That’s why it was rambling. Simon Birmingham and I used to co-chair the trade board together so I knew him independently of his role as Minister for Finance and that’s why I sought his help.

He had just been made the head of the Senate, and so I wrote to him and said ‘Surely, now that you’re Minister for Finance, Minister of trade and head of the Senate, you will help me get a resolution and stop what’s happening to me’. I just asked to be treated with respect.

Now I think there was a gross overreaction in relation to the Cartier watch bonuses. You may recall at the time that the Prime Minister was under pressure from Labor to do something about Holgate. He did, perhaps not his best day. A better approach to the Labor attack would have been to simply say that the CEO is accountable to the Board and that the Board and the CEO are accountable to the Parliament and that questions about the legitimacy of the gifts should be made during a hearing by Senate Estimates.

But it is troubling if CEOs start using the mental health card to avoid being pushed out by the Board. We are in the era of the celebrity victim and the CEO victim which is, frankly, absurd. Meghan Markle claims she was bullied by her staff. Holgate claims she was bullied by the Australia Post Chair – they are rich enough to manage it themselves and they are not victims by any measure.

 

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122 Responses to Australia Post and Christine Holgate

  1. Suburban Boy says:

    Poor Christine! Two million a year and the best psychiatric treatment she can afford is a generic sleeping pill.

  2. thefrollickingmole says:

    Saw a bit on the news.
    Getting Dorothy Dixers from Sarah sea patrol.

    The white witches in attendance were oozing waves of smug.

  3. candy says:

    She was a CEO doing a pretty good job and dedicated to the AP, and wanted to thank her top executives for their excellent (as she saw it) performances. Perhaps she spent too much money and should have just settled for a cheaper watch. But the idea is the same.
    Reward performance and build the company. Something an LNP prime minister should have had a gut feeling about. Why he belittled her so publicly is a mystery but it certainly would be a kick in the guts.

  4. jupes says:

    But it is troubling if CEOs start using the mental health card to avoid being pushed out by the Board. We are in the era of the celebrity victim and the CEO victim which is, frankly, absurd.

    For once I am in total agreement with Lucy.

  5. Damon says:

    Dumb people can be bullied. They are not usually selected to head government corporations.

  6. jupes says:

    Perhaps she spent too much money and should have just settled for a cheaper watch.

    If she had given them the money instead of the watch, nothing would have happened.

  7. Boxcar says:

    She should stand for parliament, has Minister for Defence written all over her.

  8. Proeng says:

    Seems like Holgate was another skirt that was promoted above her level of competence. With whinging like that she deserves to be chuck out. The PM should not have got involved except saying the Australia Post has not been serving the public as it should be. The PM should be getting with something more useful such as cleaning out the ABC by for example replacing the entire board and the CEO. Also someone needs to look at the poor performance of BOM.

  9. Rex Anger says:

    If she had given them the money instead of the watch, nothing would have happened.

    Indeed. Nowt wrong with providing a bonus…

  10. RobK says:

    She should stand for parliament
    Not many jobs going in that pay grade in the big house.

  11. Clam Chowdah says:

    Indeed. On the other hand it was enjoyable seeing her go hard at Morrison who clearly had engaged in a stupid political response without any strategic thinking. He was played like a violin in this instance, the dumb bastard. I hope the Libs learn something from this: don’t buy into knee jerk political shit.

  12. Buccaneer says:

    A good ceo takes into account the political environment, one that’s running a government owned entity but isn’t aware of the optics of extravagant gifts.. particularly after the previous ceo was sent packing with extravagant bonuses that proved politically unpalatable. Thick as two short planks….

  13. min says:

    According to some it was giving out a bonus to people just doing their job when the country was in the ,middle of a pandemic the average Barry Battler had either lost his job or was fearful of losing it, mortgage worries etc .
    In fact it was about as empathic as Marie Therese and the cake . Now we are supposed to be all sorry and empathic for her because she was on sleeping pills , not even an
    SSRI for depression .
    Who on earth was treating her for depression ?

  14. jupes says:

    I hope the Libs learn something from this:

    LOL. They have as much chance of learning as Zac Kirkup had winning the WA state election. Just look at how the dickheads, in particular SloMo, handled the ludicrous Christian Porter allegations. Pathetic.

  15. Infidel Tiger says:

    Is Federal Parliament just a 24/7 grievance session these days?

    What else do they do there?

  16. H B Bear says:

    Auspost board is (and has been for a long time) stuffed with Lieboral stooges. This is all just Kabuki theatre. Expect her to depart with a truckload of Auspost/taxpayer cash as it gets closer to court.

  17. Zyconoclast says:

    Apart from winning the Lib leadership and an election, has SloMo got anything right?

  18. Suburban Boy says:

    The PM should be getting with something more useful such as cleaning out the ABC by for example replacing the entire board and the CEO.

    Yeah, but it would need an Act of Parliament (can’t be done under existing legislation). You think the Senate would agree to it? Perhaps after they are humiliated by Porter’s lawyers.

  19. JohnJJJ says:

    As an aside, I met a bloke on a flight who would scour the world for those watches. He’d buy them from the recipient ( who didn’t really want them) for cash and then fly to Hong Kong to sell them. He spent most of his time in Qatar and similar. I was a bit skeptical so he rolled up his coat sleeve. A long line of Breitling, Rolex and TAG ran up his arm.
    What an ironic world as he got them from the very people who are always late: the Arabs.

  20. min says:

    JohnJJJ I met the same man in Naples 50 years ago only his watches were lined up on the inside of his suit jacket . Rolexes , diamond Seikos in those days.

  21. squawkbox says:

    The whole scandal was faker than fake. If the six-figure salary beneficiaries had been given a cash bonus rather than Cartier watches, no one would have noticed or cared. And Scotty from Marketing’s response amply justified his nickname. Still, it would be nice for a female CEO to stop hiding behind her skirts and her prescriptions.

  22. Rockdoctor says:

    She was a CEO doing a pretty good job and dedicated to the AP

    Wow, no she like Fahour was taking an easy road that even I could do without the qualifications by ramping prices and cutting services. Worse still while my mail was being delivered elswhere, late or hung up apparently connected players were getting favoured treatment. I don’t totally agree with the way she was dispatched but even Fahour had the sense to not start handing out trinkets and encouraging hand shandys to each other from staff for being awesome. They as a management team may be breaking even but certainly weren’t kicking goals. My advice to her is tell your story walking, I don’t care. Good riddance.

  23. Jim of Wollombi says:

    A bit harsh on Ms Holgate methinks. She did as she was required by her Board. She was very effective in turning around a loss making enterprise to a profitable business. If a bloke complained about his treatment it would be treated as normal. If a sheila complains about her treatment she is a whinger and is weak as p***.

    I am a bloke who never worked for AP and never turned around a failing business. I think her Chairman treated her like s*** and told lies to the g’ment. If ScoMo was a manager rather than a useless idiot he would sack the whole board of AP and put in some real management types rather than Liberal party hacks. Then he could tidy up the management of the ABC, BOM and CSIRO.

    Stop picking on Ms Holgate.

  24. Old School Conservative says:

    She was very effective in turning around a loss making enterprise to a profitable business

    So the previous CEO was paid a gazillion to run a loss making enterprise?
    Many would wish to fail so successfully.

  25. FlyingPigs says:

    So why don’t we build a National Broadband Network, give everyone a free computer/phone and shut down Australia Post?

    It’s either that or we put MT in charge of it.

  26. Davey Boy says:

    Kimberley Kitching is the real piece of work in the AP saga, the very definition IMO of a ruthless conniving sociopathic Labor female.

  27. Albatross says:

    Now I think there was a gross overreaction in relation to the Cartier watch bonuses.

    Not what you said at the time Lucy.

  28. Albatross says:

    Infidel Tiger says:
    April 13, 2021 at 10:16 pm
    Is Federal Parliament just a 24/7 grievance session these days?

    What else do they do there?

    Gay wanks on the bosses desk.

  29. Rossini says:

    The executives in receipt of these time pieces were doing the job they were paid to do!
    Why the sweetners?
    Surely their remuneration would have a built in bonus for performance.
    So again I ask why the extras..
    Meanwhile my mail is delivered 2 days this week and 3 the next

  30. Bad Samaritan says:

    Here’s what I wrote on the Mt Isa Roofers thread from yesterday….

    ‘Bad Samaritan says:
    April 13, 2021 at 4:15 pm
    What about an Open Thread so’s we can get stuck into the “I considered suicide” dopey sheila from Oz Post sacked for handing the million-dollar-watches to her cronies?”

    This request was just following having seen her pathetic BS cry-baby routine on the Channel 7 news…..Thanks for the dedicated one.

    ScoMo shoulda been thinking “this is a Wimmins: she will be out for high-profile revenge. I must handle this with maximum ‘plausible deniability, and also hide the kids’ bunnies.” But he didn’t. Holgate’s a real piece of work, but Scott shows yet again a lack of judgement.

  31. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    muh vagina!

    ‘I have done no wrong’: Christine Holgate says her gender was a factor in being forced out of Australia Post

    Australia post is shit, it is cheaper to send something from china than inside Australia. The service sucks, is overpriced and underperforming, their solution to its loss making was to nationalise a profitable competitor to paper over the loss.

    Dumb as dogshit.

  32. will says:

    Why is there a shortage of timber in a nation that has thousands of square miles of timber – and bloody good timber at that – from Cape York to (almost) the South bloody Pole?

    Another productive industry destroyed by the deranged green politicians. There is lots of hardwood out these, but the industry is not allowed to enter bushfire ravaged areas as they will disturb the seeds now germinating, so lots of dead and fire damaged timber is to be left to rot.
    The softwood mostly comes from Canada, NZ and USA and has seem a massive growth in demand from renovators in the USA. Disruption to international shipping does not help, as government restrictions on movement affect even things like moving ship crews around.
    Why this country does not have a massive hardwood and softwood industry is due to the stupidity of government and those who elect them.

  33. Dot says:

    I don’t care about anyone in this story.

    They are all millionaires who gave gotten rich off taxpayers.

    They know nothing about loss, thrift, fiscal discipline or how to run a country key alone a business.

  34. tgs says:

    The watches thing was an overreaction, yes she should have known better that when you’re running a state owned corporation there are some political nuances you need to be aware of but hardly a stackable offence.

    But this bullshit where anyone who finds themselves playing the victim trots out the tired suicidal card (see Ms Markle for example) is just pathetic and deserving of contempt. They do it for sympathy and because they know in these overly PC times that it can’t be criticised and in fact is an attempt to shut down all criticism, legitimate or otherwise.

  35. tgs says:

    Sackable*

  36. Entropy says:

    candy says:
    April 13, 2021 at 9:32 pm
    She was a CEO doing a pretty good job and dedicated to the AP, and wanted to thank her top executives for their excellent (as she saw it) performances. Perhaps she spent too much money and should have just settled for a cheaper watch. But the idea is the same.
    Reward performance and build the company. Something an LNP prime minister should have had a gut feeling about. Why he belittled her so publicly is a mystery but it certainly would be a kick in the guts.

    Well. As a government owned corporation, I don’t think their salaries are at all justified and the idea of bonuses is despicable. This is money going into their pockets and not offsetting the taxpayer.
    They are like public servants, which of course is why they front up to senate estimates. Pretend otherwise all she likes but it is a bit of a sheltered workshop, and she is beholden to the taxpayer and voter. Using a watch as a bonus for the executives (you can bet the bloke delivering mail on the occasions when they feel like it doesn’t get a bonus) is running the elitism in every bodies’ faces and she bloody well should be made an example of. It isn’t her money, it is the taxpayers’.
    Just like the ABC, they are plenty of alternatives these days and it should be sold off to pay down debt.

  37. Tintarella di Luna says:

    She was a CEO doing a pretty good job and dedicated to the AP

    Cutting the delivery of mail to three days out of seven, when there is legislation which runs on the certainty of mail delivery on a daily basis – vis a vis service of legal process and time running thereon.

    Of course cutting mail deliveries would mean cutting staff and making savings on the little guy. Absolute BS — since when is the CEO running Australia Post worth $5.6million (as he was going out the door Fahour ex-NAB nepotist) and bargain-basement Holgate on $2.6million, (Chinese bedfellows and Blackmores), I know Blackmores used to employ quite a few people with mild intellectual disability I wonder if they were out the door in the wash-up of that stuff-up in trying to make savings – ah crony capitalism ain’t it grand? don’t know if the JobKeeper/Seekers are that enamoured though

  38. calli says:

    If she was “bullied” she shouldn’t have been in the job. Having your feet held to the flame is par for the course for the top job. You know, “the buck stops here”.

    I understand sleeplessness and worry over work. It happens to just about every business owner. You learn to live with it and use it to lift and improve. In this case, she made an error of judgement over the type of bonus to give executives which was picked up by the Labor Party and raised to wedge Morrison. The bonuses were given almost a year before it was raised, so the Opposition sat on it and waited until the opportunity presented itself for political exploitation. Morrison weighed in like an idiot.

    The Holgate stuff is a sideshow in the parliamentary numbers game. Trumped up gender issues are being used quite blatantly to destabilise the government at a time of weakness due to the virus “crisis”. Never let a good one go to waste.

  39. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Jim of Wollombi says:
    April 13, 2021 at 11:11 pm”

    Agree Jim.

  40. Cassie of Sydney says:

    ” which was picked up by the Labor Party and raised to wedge Morrison.”

    Which Morrison fell for…hook, line and sinker.

  41. H B Bear says:

    Which Morrison fell for…hook, line and sinker.

    SloMo and his army of advisors have the political instincts of someone who watches too much Koch-head.

  42. Cui Bono says:

    ScoMo quickly throws another under the bus. Has he no other management technique?

  43. Angus Black says:

    It seems to me most troubling that she was fired as a consequence of an ALP political stunt, springing a trap into which Morrison kept like an electric gazelle.

    Holgate was an excellent CEO for Australia Post, made bucketfuls of money for the nation while preserving the livelihoods of all the independent operators which, today, comprise Australia Post.

    I have no time for the insanity defence – though the only people who need that are the divisive and nation wrecking ALP who are primarily responsible, and Morrison and his advisers who don’t seem to have a principle to share between them.

  44. stackja says:

    Kathy Sherriff forgotten?

  45. Dinky says:

    If a bloke complained about his treatment it would be treated as normal. If a sheila complains about her treatment she is a whinger and is weak as p***.

    Disagree, both sexes would be called a whinger and weak as p***.

    You’ve been white knighted by feminist crap.

  46. Mick Gold Coast QLD says:

    min says at 10:38 pm:

    “JohnJJJ I met the same man in Naples 50 years ago only his watches were lined up on the inside of his suit jacket . Rolexes , diamond Seikos in those days.”

    … he was also in Battery Park NY in winter 30 years ago revealing to me the display inside each side of his overcoat.

  47. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Angus Black says:
    April 14, 2021 at 7:49 am”

    Well said AB.

  48. VCT Et3e says:

    Yeah, even if it was stakeholder/ corporate abuse to mental assault, bullying, harassment, said CEO seems to gone off any sure footing/ wobbly …

    Let’s see a case for unfair dismissal, chances are it will be mediated, settled ..?

  49. duncanm says:

    Gets put under pressure and then I was seriously ill, I was on temazepam..
    The last person you want in charge.

    Having said that, I too think the watch thing was a witch-hunt. Exec’s get bonuses all the time, what does it matter if it’s a watch?

    The question is why was she hunted down? I strongly suspect it was the (absolutely correct) stand she took on the Pauline Hanson stubby holders.

  50. duncanm says:

    Oh and as for the bullying, boo hoo.. what happened to the strong and equal wimminses?

    Fuck me, for $2.6M, I’d volunteer for some bullying.

  51. Judge Dredd says:

    Another example of why women in leadership is a terrible idea. You put them in a position of ongoing conflict, and rarely do they pass the test, which impact everyone and the women involved.
    It is not a good society that promotes women-in-leadership as a virtue. Terrible for women and society alike.

  52. sabena says:

    “And I think if you read that note and I apologise in advance, that it is rambling and it is rambling because I was seriously ill, I was on temazepam.

    I was suicidal.”
    Sorry if you were suicidal,you would not be on temazeapam.It is a sleeping tablet,not an anti depression medication.

  53. calli says:

    Another example of why women in leadership is a terrible idea.

    I disagree. Depends on the role. Depends on the woman. There are plenty of women out there who run very successful businesses and departments of large enterprises.

    Holgate found herself in the middle of a political stoush, used as the football. The problem in her case was not just temperament, but cowardly, opportunistic politicians of all persuasions. I’m not impressed by the “bullying” stuff, or the suicidal admissions which are best kept private.

    Women simply need to stop playing the gender card. The perception that it’s working is a mirage to be exploited for political ends. They need to toughen up, smarten up and do their jobs. If they can’t do the job satisfactorily, then find one that’s more to their taste and ability.

    Same goes for men, of course. Except they tend not to bleat.

  54. cuckoo says:

    The funny thing is watching the media do their usual 180 on this. First Holgate was Cruella De Vil, wasting the hard-earned money of taxpayers on her fatcat colleagues. Now that she’s gone after Morrison, she’s Joan of Arc in a white pantsuit.

  55. Adelagado says:

    Nah. She treated disgracefully. Morrison should appologise.

  56. Bruce says:

    Somewhat OT, but here is a story about the Filth Column in full flight:

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/cnn-director-in-project-veritas-video-if-it-wasnt-for-cnn-i-dont-know-that-trump-would-have-got-voted-out/

    CHURNALISM, CNN style. (We fabricate the “news” and when we want your opinion, we’ll give it to you, good and hard.)

  57. H B Bear says:

    I disagree. Depends on the role. Depends on the woman. There are plenty of women out there who run very successful businesses and departments of large enterprises.

    When push comes to shove I’d rather deal with a bloke every time. This might be because I am a man myself. I ended up working for a female CFO and a male CEO for a small ASX listed company. The CFO did a great job under pretty trying conditions at times but when conflict was involved give me the CEO without hesitation.

  58. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    My advice to her is tell your story walking, I don’t care. Good riddance.

    My sentiments exactly. What a rogues gallery of irredeemable tone deaf tin eared a*seholes – Colgate, K’ching, Morristeen, etc.

    it was giving out a bonus to people just doing their job when the country was in the middle of a pandemic

    The hideously ugly watches were gifted to the AP imbeciles by Colgate in November 2018.

  59. H B Bear says:

    Gottliebsen has been consistent in the Holgate matter. Most j’ismists are complete hacks and would have written stories with no knowledge ofAuspost governance or performance and watching 2 minutes of SloMo being sucked in to a Liar wedge.

  60. H B Bear says:

    When it comes to watches a vintage AP would have been preferable.

  61. min says:

    Apologies to Holgate . as I had thought this had happened during Covid however it seems that Kimberley Kitchings was up to her I old tricks causing trouble , who started it with Albo not far behind . However I worked for a private company if results had been exceptionally good everyone got a bonus so it was spread through all the company
    Yes Sabrina already posted not an SSRI prescribed only sleeping pills , so she couldn’t have scored on BDI .

  62. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    My sentiments above have been informed by my personal experiences (over a lengthy period of time) of the appalling performance of AP – in case that wasn’t clear. There is no way on this earth that either Farhour or Colgate should have been “remunerated” the obscene amounts they were.

    Absolutely bloody inexcusable.

  63. PB says:

    “It seems to me most troubling that she was fired as a consequence of an ALP political stunt,”

    Watching the ALP putting on their finest cloak of sanctimony over this is the most amusing part so far.

  64. min says:

    Silly Scomo apologise and get your media advisors to cleverly involve Labor I made mistake listening to Labor instead of fact checking For instance.

  65. H B Bear says:

    Watching the ALP putting on their finest cloak of sanctimony over this is the most amusing part so far.

    You’re not wrong. Of course this will be entirely missed by the MSM.

  66. H B Bear says:

    Farhour made off like a bandit.

  67. candy says:

    It does not seem to me that Labor were playing a trick on Morrison. They saw the PM bullying a CEO who makes a CEO salary – “eat the rich” antics and thought like Morrison did that this is a poll winner. We’ll do what he’s doing.

    Except Morrison in public belitting a lady out of the blue who does not look tough but quite “feminine” looking is not good. He could have handled it by a meeting face to face. Enquiry. The ordinary way.
    There seems nothing to it now though but for Ms Holgate to move on a new job, and hanging out with the feminists will never help. She cannot get her job back, which is probably all she wants, but the damage has been done to her and AP and she must “move on”.

  68. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    They deserved the expensive watches for nearly making a profit ,the are volunteers arent they ,they deserve some reward ,victims they are real victims of wite privelage ,mizojennnee ,racism Islamophobia and poofterfobia ,its not right .
    What a load of selfish crap the “eelites ” spew out these days .

  69. Peter Greagg says:

    Well said!
    I don’t always agree, but I do in this case.

  70. calli says:

    Of course this will be entirely missed by the MSM.

    They were in on it.

    Then the narrative changed.

    Our media is very…ahem…flexible.

  71. rich says:

    There’s a campaign to have her re-instated because of her coup with Bankpost that, according to their literature, rendered a lot of unprofitable country-town post offices into a profit generator that would, for her 2.6M$ price tag, have made her a much more successful CEO than her well salaried predecessors. Apparently that made her political enemies that sought to oust her.

  72. Vicki says:

    What a relief to read a considered appraisal of what, in the Holgate matter, is another example of the appeal to emotion and resort by “a victim” to “buzz” defences of “bullying” and mental health issues.

    But although reason and understanding of the reality of commercial arrangements should be the only avenues of debate, they are of little use today in this era of media witch hunts.

    I have always suspected that Holgate’s relationship with the Board had broken down and that the Cartier watches affair (which actually originated in 2018) was leaked as an excuse to expedite her dismissal.

    Was she victimised because of her sex? Being a woman who was overturning some opinions in a male dominated Board may not have endeared her to her opponents. But it is a tough game, and to appeal to the “bullying” defence does not cut it for me.

  73. Suburban Boy says:

    Picking up on a comment above by tgs, we have a new name for the former CEO of AusPost:

    Christine Markle.

  74. duncanm says:

    Here’s the sequence:
    1. Hanson stubby holders
    2. ALP ‘get holgate’, dig up and foment scandal (watches)
    3. Scotty falls for trap (again) , Holgate booted
    4. #brittanydrunkenroot and #bulliedwomen kicks off, Holgate #meetoo
    5. Scotty waiting ready to step on another ladder

    As others have said, no one in the media or otherwise will call the ALP on the hypocrisy of #2 vs. #4

  75. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    In the Suez canal they used to sell very cheap”Rolex”watches for about five quid ,they were guarenteed from Port Said to Port Suez at the other end of the canal they usually died in the Red Sea ,perhap these watches were left over from the previous CEO he was Egyptian ,he might have sold them to AP . Egyptians will sell anything they get their hands on .

  76. calli says:

    As others have said, no one in the media or otherwise will call the ALP on the hypocrisy of #2 vs. #4

    Only if the White Suit Brigade want to dump Toxic Albo in the mess too. And then install a virginal White Suit in his place.

  77. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “3. Scotty falls for trap (again) , Holgate booted”

    None of this would have happened had not Scummo deliberately fallen for Labor’s trap…..and he did it again in February of this year with Craig Kelly….and Kelly did the only thing he could…he walked.

    Scummo prefers to snuggle up to Labor than to outwit them.

  78. NuThink says:

    One learns something new every day – I always thought that a CV was some Latin thingy one sent in when applying for a job, but now I know from the Cat that it means
    Celebrity Victim

  79. Up The Workers! says:

    It’s pertinent that Holgate opted to show up in person to present her jaundiced point of view on the matter.

    She evidently couldn’t trust Australia Post to deliver her views by mail in time.

    Maybe she left the poor old blue-collar postie off her expensive Cartier Watch gift-List?

    Cartier Watches?

    Not so long ago, back in Juliar Gillard’s day, it was second-hand Prime Ministerial contact lenses that got put in the Trophy Case or framed and hung on the office wall , as a coveted status-symbol after a thorough sanitising, clean-up and deodourising.

  80. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    The white suits ? Dont they know there is an all female funeral directors where the ladies all wear white suits ? But they have black hats as a matter of respect , this mob have no respect and dont deserve any.

  81. Publius Patricius says:

    Politicians can deal brutally with those who find themselves in the dock. Having one’s reputation trashed in parliament – or even privately – can trigger a raw personal response, such as feelings of shame and worthlessness. Sure, top executives are well paid and should be tough. But those in power should afford their subordinates due process through, for example, first making them clearly aware of their purported transgression, offering a proper opportunity to respond, and suspending judgement/action until then. In other words, due process.

  82. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Publius Patricius says:
    April 14, 2021 at 11:54 am”

    Well said PP.

  83. Cynic of A says:

    A bit of controversy reigns as far as paying the Execs with cash or time piece for doing their job. Some say they’re paid to do that, and others say they deserve a bonus.
    If they deserve a bonus for doing a good job, do they get a paycut for doing a bad job?
    I don’t recall a lot of the latter going around.
    As far as the CEO herself goes, present circumstance sorta prove she’s not up to any job. Maybe she’s borrowed a lot of money based on the idea she was going to be on Two Mill plus for a long time, which has created an awkward situation.
    It’s funny. I dunno about other Cats, but I’d be happy to be paid Two Mill for one year, then go back to 60, 70 or 80 Gs. I’m happy to live down the hog.

  84. max says:

    Australian Post should be privatise and anyone should have right to deliver mail to your mail box

  85. roman says:

    Damn that glass ceiling!

    /sarc

  86. melb says:

    Point 1. She was not able to stand up to pressure when it was applied. A big failing in one paid so much.

    Point 2. She is now going the spiteful revenge road.

    Not a good example for those campaigning for more females on boards.

  87. jupes says:

    Same goes for men, of course. Except they tend not to bleat.

    Malcolm Turnbull?

  88. Adelagado says:

    In the Australian today…

    Holgate threatened to call police unless the City of Melbourne delivered 114 Pauline Hanson’s One Nation-branded stubby holders – intercepted by council workers – to every apartment in locked-down public housing towers months earlier.

    It appears Holgate was on the right side. What a complete dope Morrison is. Labor loaded the gun and put it in his hand. And he dutifully pulled the trigger.

  89. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Politicians can deal brutally with those who find themselves in the dock. Having one’s reputation trashed in parliament –

    Penny Easton anyone? Bettina Arndt duplicitously censured by no less than the Senate which as a whole lied in their censure motion — none other than promoted by the Bus Captain with the Puppies and the confused Opposition Senate Leader and the Liberals sucked in as usual couldn’t wait to censure a private citizen – talk about putting the boot in

  90. duncanm says:

    Adelagado says:
    April 14, 2021 at 1:49 pm

    Exactly.

    Holgate took the correct and principled stand on that matter. She should have been lionised for it, not shot.

  91. Diogenes says:

    It wasn’t just the watches, it was the many 00s of k spent on a corporate credit card which she refused to give details of the selfsame senate committee she fronted yesterday, and also torpedoing a very expensive marketing campaign , of which I dont remember the details, but it was to do with chemists, and she uttered the immortal words, would you like fries with that at the launch press conference, the result of which was that whatever the service was ended up being stillborn

  92. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Exactly.

    Holgate took the correct and principled stand on that matter. She should have been lionised for it, not shot.”

    Correct.

  93. yarpos says:

    So many victims, so many Karens, its hard to know where to look.

  94. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    Holgate was an excellent CEO for Australia Post, made bucketfuls of money for the nation while preserving the livelihoods of all the independent operators which, today, comprise Australia Post.

    yeah, maybe we should have kept the telephone switch operators too….

  95. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    Australian Post should be privatise and anyone should have right to deliver mail to your mail box

    +1

  96. Adelagado says:

    The Cartier watches barely exceeded the equivalent of a weeks wages for these guys. It was no big deal. In private industry the recipient would probably have been pissed off that they just got a crappy watch for all their efforts.

    But of course, because nitwits like Morrison and most other MP’s have never had a significant job outside the public service, they jumped around like school kids on a windy day and could not view the issue with any perspective.

    Morrison has not landed a punch on a single member of the opposition as I recall. In fact I can’t remember him even throwing a punch in the right direction. Albanese should look like a dog’s toy by now but he seems more settled than ever.

  97. Wyndham Dix says:

    Holgate: “I just asked to be treated with respect.”

    There’s the rub. Respect is earned by one’s demeanour and performance, not requested as if it were an item on a shopping list. Wounded pride is no basis, I submit.

  98. Andrew Douglas says:

    The author of this article has confused cause and effect. Ms Holgate said she developed psychological problems as a result of the conduct towards her by both the Prime Minister and the Chairman of AusPost. She is not using that as a reason to retain her position as CEO of Aus Post. She is simply telling the world how her health has been effected as a result of what happened to her. And the assertion that CEO’s of large corporations can be terminated by their Board for any or no reason is incorrect. CEO’s have rights just like any other employee. The only way a CEO could be terminated for no reason would be if it was a term of their employment contract. It would be unusual for such a term to be in a CEO’s contract. The facts are that the Prime Minister behaved badly (and continues to behave badly by refusing to apologise) and the Chairman of AusPost has behaved incompetently. I suspect this will not end well for either of them.

  99. Mick Gold Coast QLD says:

    I’m staggered by the sympathy for the Celebrity Victim (© Lucius) and enjoying immensely the bollocking she is copping here.

    The white witches appearing as one for a bitch session with her besties in the Senate hearing surely reveals she is unremarkable, just another feeble wymminses player who got way ahead of herself, fell flat on her face and bunged on the sobbing when daddy failed to appear and make the horrid men go away.

    The Chairman of Australia Post has refuted her claims in a detailed statement last Wednesday

    Mrs Colgate may well have sought expert opinion on a chairman’s credibility moments later – her husband is chairman of Downer, one of the biggest engineering outfits in the Pacific region, 50,000 employees ‘n all, so she’s hardly impoverished – Michael Harding is chairman, deputy chairman and director of a dozen companies over decades. She’s well connected, classic, privileged, born to rule Labor royalty – a Dame Professor Triggs, Duchess Bryce (hic, hic, ooops, giggle), Lady Evatt, Dollars BLies, Very Most Honorable Ms Lawrence type.

    “Let’s see a case for unfair dismissal” someone cries here.

    She walked, with a letter of resignation publicly foreshadowed by her early morning and made public by her that afternoon. She doesn’t know what she wants.

    This has everything to do with setting up Scott Morrison, which has turned into the late summer-autumn fox hunt. The witches have targeted an easy mark who performs for them like a circus monkey, right on cue every time.

    There is nothing new in that and I am surprised there is such excitement about his dim wittedness. It has been well known ever since he emerged from nowhere to ride on Tony Abbott’s coat tails and quickly betray him. He’s a dope, immoral, shallow, wouldn’t / couldn’t trust him … but contributors have been repeating that pointlessly for eight years now (after they got over the first couple when so many were clamouring for him to become prime minister) as if he’s going to change.

  100. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Adelagado says:
    April 14, 2021 at 3:21 pm”

    Well said

  101. Publius Patricius says:

    “Adelagado says:
    April 14, 2021 at 3:21 pm”
    Adelagado is right. Furthermore, this issue could be a millstone around the PM’s neck unless and until he apologises, and possibly after that. Christine Holgate has served up to Australia’s political leaders a dose of reality. Abuse of parliamentary power and privilege to trash those outside parliament needs to stop. Somehow it seems Australia’s political class is yet to acknowledge, let alone learn, the lessons of the Star Chamber. It should not be allowed for a leader to summarily try, convict and sentence – even metaphorically – an accused person in Australia. The purported wrongdoer should be provided natural justice, even in the court of public opinion. To do otherwise puts at risk the political mandate to lead.

  102. BrettW says:

    As somebody pointed out elsewhere top ABC executives get bonuses. The only difference is they are in cash and most unlikely to be in relation to creating $200m of income for the organisation.

  103. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Mick, could you please provide me with evidence that Holgate is “well connected, classic, privileged, born to rule Labor royalty“?

    PP…..”Abuse of parliamentary power and privilege to trash those outside parliament needs to stop.” Quite so.

  104. Bruce says:

    So much for the “Ring of Confidence”.

    (I’ll let myself out.)

  105. Nighthawk the Elder says:

    I wrote a far softer version of this in the Turnbull-Rudd’s favourite news group, so forgive my more forthright version below because I’m pissed off. Holgate is hiding behind a poor, poor pitiful me, I’m a woman, cloak to avoid criticism and accountability. So here goes.

    When Holgate took over, Australia Post delivery service was grossly overpriced crap and their counter staff, self entitled arseholes. By the time she left, nothing had changed, shitty, over priced, piss poor service, hardly delivered by job for life bludgers. I don’t know what those watches to the executives were for, but it wasn’t for improved customer service. If you had an improved service in your area, then good on you. The rest of us desperately still look for alternatives.

    She’s gone and this week’s carry on proves it was the right decision.

  106. Squirrel says:

    A PM who presides over an Augean Stables of waste in Canberra (where not one cent of taxpayer funded largesse has been foregone during the pandemic) should not be pretending to be concerned about prudent spending of taxpayer funds by a government business enterprise.

    Even more to the point, a PM who supposedly understands and cares about small business and about rural and regional Australia should have seen the real priority here, and not reacted like a gutless twerp at the first whiff of grapeshot on the watches beat up.

  107. Rockdoctor says:

    Nighthawk the Elder says:
    April 14, 2021 at 6:31 pm

    I have said much same but in politer terms.

  108. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Cassie of Sydney says:
    April 14, 2021 at 6:09 pm

    Morrison’s naming of Christine Holgate in parliament was just gutter tactics and proof his judgment is an abomination (well he did back Turnbull didn’t he?). Notice how no-one laid a glove on Fahour and his totally over the top salary ($5.6million on the way out) and his donation of $2m to some enterprise of his brother’s in Melbourne. But Christine Holgate was fair game eh?

    Morrison used very brusque language – he is a ham-fisted nitwit — Now Mr Morrison is set to meet with the notorious Ms Higgins formerly employed in the Bordello on the Lake formerly known as Parliament House, I wonder if ScoMo has the intestinal fortitude to meet with Christine Holgate, to date she’s shown she’s a better man than he is.

  109. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    When Holgate took over, Australia Post delivery service was grossly overpriced crap and their counter staff, self entitled arseholes. By the time she left, nothing had changed, shitty, over priced, piss poor service, hardly delivered by job for life bludgers. I don’t know what those watches to the executives were for, but it wasn’t for improved customer service. If you had an improved service in your area, then good on you. The rest of us desperately still look for alternatives.

    The very idea we need a network of post offices in the age of the internet is absurd. She didn’t have the vision or courage to speak truth to government that either government accept a stupid archaic loss making enterprise as a cost or wind it right down to a courier service and let everyone cary letters. Instead going off on fishing expeditions to find more business for its retail branches which shouldn’t exist.

  110. hzhousewife says:

    The white suits were cringeworthy.

  111. Nighthawk the Elder says:

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:
    April 14, 2021 at 8:12 pm

    Don’t disagree Zippy. The vast majority of correspondence these days is electronic and instant. As for parcels, we already have alternatives for courier services. Why not, for those now rare occasions for letter delivery, can’t the courier also carry those? They’re just skinny parcels after all.

    And yeah, the other non core business in their retail premises, overpriced crap competing against newsagencies and even Big W/KMart types.

    In person banking/bill paying/passport application, can all be franchised out on a competitive basis to other retailers. Heck, I recall Colesworth were chaffing at the bit a few years back trying to get a slice of that action.

  112. win says:

    What gives me the gripes are this conga line of less than meritorious women are destroying executive jobs for women with ability.

  113. Tel says:

    Australian Post should be privatise and anyone should have right to deliver mail to your mail box

    Dunno where you live … but in my street every man and his dog does have the right to dump random crap into your mailbox.

    At least, I haven’t figured out any way to stop the buggers. I also have a PO Box and that too gets filled with pamphlets and stuff that was never addressed to me.

  114. Texas Jack says:

    Nothing unusual, but there are a few things I don’t get in all of this.

    1. Why did a guy whose government just spanked out north of $250 billion in borrowed pandemic billions get so wound up about a CEO dishing out watches? Even if Holgate needed some vast compliance apparatus to make the call on the bonuses it’s not like Canberra was about to be swallowed by Lake Burley Griffin.

    2. Why do those who seem like devoted classical liberals in one post seem like purple-headed members of the Postal Workers Union in the next? What the fuck is wrong with incentives?

  115. Neil says:

    Perhaps nobody in the Public Service should be getting bonuses.

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison told Parliament last year that news of the gifts had appalled him. “It’s disgraceful and it’s not on,” he said.

    Yet in the same year Ms Holgate gave her staff those rewards, at least 900 federal public servants received a personal performance bonus worth more than a Cartier watch.

    Some received bonuses so large they could buy dozens of the watches, with plenty of cash to spare…In 2018 — the year of the watches — federal ministers’ delegates approved $40.8 million worth of performance bonuses for 15,633 APS staff, mostly to middle managers

    Precise data is unavailable but, at minimum, 919 APS employees received a bonus worth more than one of Ms Holgate’s watches. An ABC analysis of APS remuneration reports, however, suggests the number of staff whose bonus passed the Cartier threshold was probably closer to 1,750.

    And these are just the public servants. Many other Federal Government employees also receive bonuses, though they are not reported centrally.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-05/analysis-cartier-watches-small-gifts-compared-with-aps-bonuses/13112804

  116. Diogenes says:

    , self entitled arseholes. By the time she left, nothing had changed, shitty, over priced, piss poor service, hardly delivered by job for life bludgers. I don’t know what those watches

    Nighthawk,
    You do know that 80% of local post offices are privately owned?

  117. max says:

    Tel says:
    April 15, 2021 at 8:18 am

    Under section 51(v) of the Constitution the Commonwealth Parliament has power to make laws with respect to postal, telegraphic, telephonic and other like services. Since 1901 the Commonwealth has used this power to reserve certain postal services to be conducted by government owned postal authorities. The Postmaster-General s Department was originally granted reserved services protection to carry all letters weighing up to one pound (500 grams).(6)

    Section 29 of the Act currently reserves to Australia Post the exclusive right to carry letters within Australia, whether the letters originate within or outside Australia. A letter is defined broadly in the Act to mean any form of written communication that is directed to a particular person or address. A lengthy list of exceptions from the scope of Australia Post s reserved services is contained in section 30 of the Act. Generally speaking the principal services reserved to Australia Post are: the collection and delivery of all letters weighing no more than 250 grams, letters carried for a fee of less than $1.80 and all inward bound international letters.

    Australia Post uses its monopoly over the reserved services to cross-subsidise its community service obligations (CSOs). CSOs arise when the government requires a business to provide services which a private company would not choose to provide without compensation.(7) Section 27 of the Act sets out the CSOs. The section requires Australia Post to supply a letter service for the principal purpose of carrying within Australia, letters that Australia Post has the exclusive right to carry; and to carry letters between Australia and places outside Australia. The letter service is to be available at a single uniform rate of postage for standard postal articles.

    The scope of Australia Post s reserved services monopoly was reduced by the previous Labor Government in 1994 with the passage of the Australian Postal Corporation Amendment Act 1994. This Act opened Australia Post to competition in six product areas…

    https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/bd/bd0304/04bd036

  118. Adelagado says:

    Diogenes says:
    April 15, 2021 at 9:08 am

    Nighthawk,
    You do know that 80% of local post offices are privately owned?

    Apparently not. And it seems that neither do quite a few others on this list. My own local post office (where I spend about $20,000 a year on postage) is owned by 2 women. They work long hours, 6 days a week, and rarely take holidays because its very hard to get experienced casuals for just a few weeks. They rated Christine Holgate pretty highly. The bank thing was a huge deal for them, so the Cartier watches stink was a a complete misreading of the situation.

    Christine Holgate did NOT work for the Australian taxpayer or the Australian Government. She worked for Australia Post and it was her job to focus entirely on that. I would suggest that franchise owners and others on the front line of that business liked what they were getting.

  119. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Adelagado says:
    April 15, 2021 at 12:45 pm”

    Well said.

  120. Nighthawk the Elder says:

    Nighthawk,
    You do know that 80% of local post offices are privately owned?

    No, but my local post office must be in the 20% red brick building government owned cohort. And the counter staff still behave like self entitled arseholes.

    I’ve got no problem if the services are outsourced to someone with good business sense and has an idea of customer service. But over and over again, neither government, nor their agencies have shown they are capable of this type of delivery.

    No matter how much everyone want to praise the franchisees, it still takes 5 days for a standard letter to travel down the duel carriageway Princes’ Freeway about 150 kms from one major mail centre to another and it costs a fortune to do so. The service is still poor, staff far from helpful and it needs to change. Holgate did not deliver.

  121. max says:

    Australia Post, formally the Australian Postal Corporation, is the government business enterprise that provides postal services in Australia. The head office of Australia Post is located in Bourke Street, Melbourne, which also serves as a post office.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Post

    Christine Holgate (born 1963/1964) is a British-Australian business executive, and was the chief executive (CEO) of Australia Post from 30 October 2017 to 2 November 2020. Prior to that appointment, she was CEO of the vitamin and nutritional supplement company Blackmores from 2008 to 2017. She is also a board member of Collingwood Football Club
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Holgate

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