Splat

Afghan Association of Australia chairman Abdul Khaliq Fazal said the decision would lead to civil war, meaning the sacrifice of Australian troops could be wasted… Why would they leave before there is peace?”

               “Yes why did you?”

Jupes

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49 Responses to Splat

  1. Gorilla Dance Party says:

    He has to go back.

  2. Bazinga says:

    Can’t have a war industry when there is no hope of resistance.

  3. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Now the ole corrupt paedo is copying Trump again that must mean there is total peace ,what welcome news to all the Afghan reffos world wide they can return to their beloved homeland . Things are quiet in Somalia and South Sudan too so we can empty our jails and reunite the inmates with their traditional life. No rising seas , the climate reffos can go home . The world has changed since Trump left .
    Who would have thought a corrupt lying demented pervert career polliliar and a half witted half Indian liar could do so much good in such a short time ?

  4. Roger says:

    Afghanistan has been embroiled in internecine conflict since at least 1978.

    It’s not our job to police it, especially after the Americans exit.

    Let the Chinese have a go. At least they share a border with it.

  5. Woolfe says:

    Maybe Abdul Khaliq Fazal and his mates can go back and fight for their country

  6. Eyrie says:

    Let the Chinese have a go. At least they share a border with it.

    I imagine the Chinese Rules of Engagement will be something like: No Prisoners! Kill them all!

  7. Scott Osmond says:

    They want the grift to continue. As long as someone elses kids are dieing and someone else is paying the bills. Maybe if Afghanis are so worried about their country they should go back and lend a hand?

  8. Shane says:

    There will now be aa awful lot of pity parties [after sundown as its Ramadan at the moment] in Dubai & adjoining areas
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32008567
    Nothing changes………..
    ”many super-rich Afghans have moved far more capital abroad, mainly to the tax-free luxury and relative security and stability of Dubai.

    Estimates vary, but they are thought to have invested more than $20bn there.

    Much of it has gone into the property market, especially the exclusive artificial island resort of Palm Jumeirah, where the largest signature villa – complete with drivers and maids’ quarters – sells for more than $11m.

    Since the political uncertainty of 2014 inside Afghanistan, the influx of Afghan money has continued.

    According to one real estate agent, “a lot of high-ranking generals and politicians, and wealthy oil sector individuals, are still buying very expensive homes”.

    One such businessman, who lives on the Palm, told us nearly a quarter of properties on this exclusive strip of Dubai beach are owned by Afghan warlords.”

  9. vicki says:

    Afghanistan has been embroiled in internecine conflict since at least 1978.

    For at least two thousand years. They are a deeply tribal society in a miserable part of the globe that only supports a reasonable existence in the valleys watered by spring flows from the mountains.

    Alexander was perhaps the only foreign invader who successfully conquered them. He consolidated his military triumphs by arranging marriages between the daughters of local warlords with his own commanders. Marriage ties are one of the few solid links in such a society. I understand that the Taliban (many from Pakistan) use such arrangements to the present day.

  10. Dr Faustus says:

    Let the Chinese have a go. At least they share a border with it.

    The Chinese have sorted the narrow border with Afghanistan to their complete satisfaction. On the Chinese side it’s a ‘nature reserve’ and a restricted area.
    Translation: killing ground.

  11. H B Bear says:

    Translation: killing ground.

    Might work. About the only thing they understand. The most futile democracy project of the many that have been tried.

  12. Dr Faustus says:

    …the sacrifice of Australian troops could be wasted.

    Australian troops have helped buy the Western world 20-years of Afghanistan not being an adventure playground and support base for international Izzlamic terrorism.
    A high price indeed; but not wholly wasted.

    What will be a disaster is if the West has no Plan B to isolate and contain the effects of the inevitable return of the Taliban.

  13. Albatross says:

    Nice one Jupes. Shredded.

  14. BorisG says:

    Now the ole corrupt paedo is copying Trump again

    He can’t please Fred. Copy Trump and he is unhappy. Do the exact opposite – and he is outraged.

  15. Roger says:

    For at least two thousand years.

    Of course, but for much of the 20th C. it was relatively stable and modernising. That was my bench mark.

  16. BorisG says:

    Imagine what kind of cacophony would be on Cat if Biden decision was to stay put or increase troop numbers.

  17. duncanm says:

    btw, Fazal is a former Public Works Minister on the Karzai govt.

    Rather than rebuild his own shithole, he’d rather piss off the locals by building big Mosques in Victoria.

  18. Roger says:

    Of course, but for much of the 20th C. it was relatively stable and modernising. That was my bench mark.

    Here you go:

    Afghanistan: Modernity lost

  19. Rex Anger says:

    Welp BolshevikG, we would not be surprised.

    You leftwits love hating on the successful, then declaring nobody should ever do anything when your attempts to clumsily (and with an appropriate degree of idological correctness) ape them fail…

    Spin that bowtie and go back to telling us how Gulagging us all and bankrupting society over a particularly nasty head cold is the most wonderful idea we’ve had since Representative Democracy was a thing…

  20. duncanm says:

    Afghanistan: Modernity lost

    add Iran to that list.

    There’s a common factor – can’t for the life of me put my finger on it.

  21. Rex Anger says:

    Chairman Mo?

  22. Roger says:

    There’s a common factor – can’t for the life of me put my finger on it.

    Yes, although in Afghanistan they first got done over by the Communists, which opened the door for the unmentionables.

  23. Iain Russell says:

    Roger, Afghanistan has been embroiled in conflict since the various Muslim tribes started invading and slaughtering the existing First Peoples – Hindus, Buddhists and Christians. The genocide has continued into modern times, with the destruction of the Bamiyan statues of Buddha in 2001. Kick off date? Say the 8thC.

  24. Roger says:

    You’ve missed my point Iain.

  25. Eyrie says:

    What will be a disaster is if the West has no Plan B to isolate and contain the effects of the inevitable return of the Taliban.
    B-52s, iron bombs.

  26. duncanm says:

    We may be a little harsh on Mr Fazal – he came here in 1972 and does appear to have tried quite hard to get his country or birth back on the rails.

  27. Mique says:

    “Kill ’em all and let God sort ’em out.”

  28. Rex Anger says:

    What will be a disaster is if the West has no Plan B to isolate and contain the effects of the inevitable return of the Taliban.
    B-52s, iron bombs.

    Like the RAF used to do this time a century ago.

    Just with much better equipment and aiming optics…

  29. LBLoveday says:

    “Maybe Abdul Khaliq Fazal and his mates can go back and fight for their country”.
    .
    The Australian, as per usual, rejected my on-line comment:
    ****
    Why doesn’t Abdul suggest to military-aged Afghans in Australia that they go home and take over from the departing Australian troops?

  30. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Its a worry ,all that US taxpayers money spent on antimizojenee and poofter education trying to bring the locals out of the mohamedan stone age ,preventing flying lessons for poofs from high buildings . Ceasing the lucrative contracts for the biden crime gang , cutting the profits of arms maker decromat donors ,depriving army officers of medals ,its the end of an age . Paedo sniffy biden wouldnt have pulled out if that wrecker Trump hadnt started the move. Wonder if the arms makers will still give squillions to keep the geriatric decromats in their careers till tgey drop dead ?
    Thank the lord Sniffy is demented ,the thought of huge donations drying up would upset him so much .

  31. Rex Anger says:

    @ Fred-

    Ironically, there was far more money to be had in repairing and maintaining and modernising the entire US Military.

    Something more or less deliberately abandoned by the Uniparty and its donors for some 15 years, while it was ground down to its bones fighting a war it was ideologically and procedurally prevented from winning.

    Some Generals and Admirals may have liked that. Some politicians and Company lobbyists too. But not the warfighters themselves. And certainly not the generations of taxpayers (which includes said warfighters) expected to foot the bill for all their gratuitous tax-eating.

    Then the Donald turned up. And we’ve now seen that after 5.5 years of temper tantrums and byzantine Machiavellianism, the Powers That Be and their sycophants have finally realised that the world has changed around them…

  32. PB says:

    “Imagine what kind of cacophony would be on Cat if Biden decision was to stay put or increase troop numbers.”

    They aren’t out yet. They are only ever one well-placed “surprise” away from re-escalating.

    Those poppy fields won’t protect themselves.

  33. JohnJJJ says:

    One such businessman, who lives on the Palm, told us nearly a quarter of properties on this exclusive strip of Dubai beach are owned by Afghan warlords.”

    AS an aside, Dubai has developed by being the safe place to bank and build while your country is being destroyed. Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait…put their money into the building boom in Dubai especially after the USA got access to information on Swiss bank accounts. In case you were wondering how a city with almost zero oil did it.

  34. Rex Anger says:

    . Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait…put their money into the building boom in Dubai especially after the USA got access to information on Swiss bank accounts

    Ditto once Western intelligence and policing agencies finally twigged how hawala brokerage works.

    (Just like mafia money laundering. But with more beards..)

  35. PeterW says:

    Talked to a multi-tour returned Digger not long ago. His view is that their efforts, injuries and the blood of their mates has already been wasted. Politicians simply weren’t prepared to pay the price that was obviously required. A price in blood, ours AND theirs.

    Don’t think you can go to war on the cheap. The Diggers are happy to go IF the job is worthwhile and they are permitted to finish it.

  36. thefrollickingmole says:

    I do have sympathy for the Hazaras as a group.
    Ethnically, religiously and visibly different to the majority they will go back to copping a flogging.

    I say we change refugee status to all female and hard 8s under the age of 25.
    We may as well get something decent for the mess.
    And yes, the ‘ Ghan does have some stunners.

  37. Duncanm:

    There’s a common factor – can’t for the life of me put my finger on it.

    Sand, Duncanm.
    Sand and rocks.
    It happens every time.

  38. Judge Dredd says:

    Bring them home, and stop fighting foreign wars. It only helps the elite, the military industry and destroys nations whilst forming generations of hatred towards Western countries.
    If I was cynical I would say that the effort to bring them home is so they can be deployed in a new useless war against.

  39. dover_beach says:

    Jupes’s retort is perfect and it is a point C.L. has repeatedly made in the past.

  40. BorisG says:

    Jupes’s retort is perfect and it is a point C.L. has repeatedly made in the past.

    yYes. But though supported by Trump and Biden as well as Jupes and CL, I think it is a mistake. Do not make figleaf agreements with terrorists whose main goal is to see you dead. The fate of this agreement will be the same as in Vietnam. It was orchestrated by Trump who wanted to invite them to camp david, but it was too much for Congress. But now this farce will be owned by Biden.

    If you want to leave, leave! But no agreements with these murderers.

  41. Rex Anger says:

    And it’s all still Orangutan Bard’s fault, isn’t it?

    Well done Bolshevik G.

  42. Andre Lewis says:

    Nearly all of the Middle East is populated by tribal religious fanatics who hate each other and will resort to slaughtering their neighbours at a minutes notice for any reason at all. Nothing the West can do to educate them or challenge their backward culture so we are best out of it. If the Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS or any of the other mad gangs try another 9/11 just keep our troops at home and nuke their cities.

  43. flyingduk says:

    They are a deeply tribal society in a miserable part of the globe that only supports a reasonable existence in the valleys watered by spring flows from the mountains.

    x 100!

    I spent 6 months duty in the ‘ghan and concur completely – its a godawful shithole and completely unfixable. We should never have been there in the first place, and should never have compounded our error by flinging open our borders at home at the same time.

    Thanks a million Sarah Sea Patrol @#$%^&*

  44. Dot says:

    Remember when libertarians said don’t go, just extract, or bomb, or a police action. No nation building.

    Remember when libertarians said the west couldn’t afford Iraq and it would weaken efforts in Afghanistan.

    It’s hard being correct all the time. Saying no and being an adult won’t vein popularity contests with short term thinkers.

  45. Shane says:

    No one has mentioned yet that afghan elephant in the room muchless that long standing rumour that at least one of those US alphabet agencies gets some of their black budget funding from being facilitators for trading in that elephant.
    So the next obvious question is , what is going to happen now with the Bagram airforce base in Afghanistan?

    PHILLIP WALTER WELLMAN/STARS AND STRIPES
    February 10, 2020
    KABUL, Afghanistan — Afghanistan could see one of the highest yields of opium in nearly a decade, even though land totalling 146,000 fewer acres — the equivalent of 111,000 football fields — was planted to poppies last year, White House estimates show.

    While land used to grow poppies in Afghanistan declined by nearly 30% between 2018 and 2019, the amount of opium extracted from the flowers’ seed pods likely increased by more than 20%, the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy said Friday, citing estimates of both cultivation and opium production.

    Despite the spending of billions of dollars by the U.S. since 2001 to combat Afghanistan’s lucrative drug trade, the country continues to be the world’s largest grower of the poppy from which opium and heroin are produced.

    Ninety percent of the world’s opium and 80% of the world’s heroin come from Afghanistan, the U.N. has said.

    “Although heroin originating from Afghanistan is not a driving force of the United States opioid epidemic, drug revenue generated by insurgents prolongs insecurity and fuels corruption,” the ONDCP said.

    Although the acreage planted to poppies in Afghanistan fell last year, the country could produce one of the largest yields of opium in recent years, U.S. government data show.
    The country’s drug trade has ballooned since U.S.-led forces invaded the country in 2001 and toppled the Taliban, who banned poppy cultivation.

    The opiate economy in Afghanistan was valued to be between $1.2 billion and $2.2 billion in 2018 and represented between 6% and 11% of Afghanistan’s GDP, said a report by the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime.

    The estimated 6,700 metric tons of pure opium produced in Afghanistan last year would mark the second-highest yield in nearly a decade, exceeded only by the 9,140 metric tons recorded by the ONDCP in 2017.

    “Favorable weather and harvesting conditions” led to the higher yields, the ONDCP said, warning that the sharp rise in opium production in Afghanistan will have an impact around the world.

  46. Paul says:

    Yes it will be a disaster.
    But no one is ever satisfied, win lose or draw.
    Many question just why are our young men fighting other peoples wars?
    We are not appreciated, not thanked, only accused of war crimes.
    The west got here by nations fighting their own wars, often in alliances against a common enemy
    We fought for our freedoms its time others did the same, fight their own wars for their freedoms.
    Our boys should not be fighting for those who won’t fight for themselves

  47. Kneel says:

    “Now the ole corrupt paedo is copying Trump again that must mean there is total peace”

    Since Trump signed the withdrawal agreement with the 1st May deadline, there have been no US casualties from Taliban attacks – not one.

    Now Biden “announces” a unilateral change to that agreement, which the Taliban rightly says was made while the UN was present. The Taliban also rightly says that if the troops remain after the agreed upon deadline, they will be attacked. This is exactly what the war mongers and the military-industrial complex want – continued war. They will use such attacks to justify keeping, and then increasing, US troops in Afghanistan.

    Biden has not ended war in Afghanistan – he has created a new one in the left’s increasingly insane desire to wipe any and all Trump successes from history and to keep lining their own pockets with the misery of others.
    We should leave by 1st May and not go back. We should publicly state that this unilateral change to an international agreement is unacceptable and the US is to blame for any and all consequences if they choose to break it.

  48. Vicki says:

    Of course, but for much of the 20th C. it was relatively stable and modernising. That was my bench mark.

    Here you go:

    Afghanistan: Modernity lost

    Yes Roger, I understand what you are saying. The same could be said for Iran & a number of other Middle Eastern countries.

    But that “modernity” that you see in the photos fundamentally applies to the upper classes, most of whom were, in the 60s and 70s especially, educated in western countries.

    If you were to photograph people in the villages and amongst the hill tribes, you would see a very different profile : traditionally garbed, and entrenched in the life their ancestors had lived for centuries.

    And while the tribal leaders may have settled shifting alliances to permit a period of relative stability, this was always a moving feast.

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