Toxic liars

The question asked in this post from Powerline is WHO WILL BE THE NEXT NEOCONSERVATIVES?, that is, who will be among those who moved from left to right when they finally found out how vile and repulsive the left really is. This last happened in the 1960s/1970s when I made the transition myself, and the very very odd thing is that amongst all the people I knew then, I am the only one who shifted. When I visit home, it is virtually impossible for me to raise any political issue with any of the people I grew up with. Leftism really is a disease which truly must rot the brain and for whom facts are optional extras dependent on what the agenda is and the needs of the narrative. The universities and the media are the worst carriers, but it is everywhere.

Anyway, the suggestion is made that Bill Maher, who I have never paid any attention to before, may be one of the neo-conservatives who is about to transition from left to right. We’ll see. Meanwhile, he gets this covid agenda pretty right. Still anti-Trump, of course, but it’s the only way to get a leftist audience to stay tuned.

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26 Responses to Toxic liars

  1. Boxcar says:

    Bill Maher is no Neo-conservative. More of a Chameleon.
    He occasionally wanders off the reservation and delivers magnificent rambles like this. My earliest experience of his wit and intellect was his interview with Jordan Peterson.
    Maybe as a media person he is not entitled to his own opinion, but sneaks one in every now and then to prove he is worth watching.

  2. cuckoo says:

    I’m not optimistic. On the contrary, I’ve seen a number of people in my immediate circle drift over the last few years from soft-left/centrist positions to hard left. One was a guy who was considered a conservative by his friends, but he turned into the most extreme and unhinged case of Trump derangement syndrome I’ve ever seen.

    Funnily enough, now that he doesn’t have Trump to obsess about, he has suddenly decided he believes in man-made climate change, a topic I’ve never heard him raise before.

  3. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Why do politicians and lawyers lie all the time?
    To keep in practice?

  4. Roger says:

    Leftism really is a disease…

    This keeps being repeated here.

    Those who do so are apparently unaware of how this taps into the therapeutic culture that has done so much to wreck the ethos of self-responsibility and moral accountability that was once characteristic of Western societies.

    Leftism is not a disease. It is a political and moral choice and its advocates must be held accountable.

  5. harrys on the boat says:

    The biggest wakeup from Maher has to be the kids are back at school in republican states, but still at home in shithole states. If the parents and kids haven’t woken up to this, they deserve to rot in the democrat cesspit they live in.

  6. harrys on the boat says:

    Leftism is not a disease.

    I tend to agree Rog, but the stats that half of all white lefty women have a form of mental illness is enough for reasonable doubt!

  7. johanna says:

    Like Steve K., I am the only one in the circle of people who were my friends when I was young who has moved to the right. And, like cuckoo, one or two of them have moved from soft to hard left as a result of Trump’s powerful challenge to their orthodoxy.

    We are going through a period of intense polarisation, as are the US and the UK. This is because there is a massive power struggle in the Western world between those who recognise and value Western civilisation and those who don’t.

    The infuriating thing is that those who are undermining our society are paradoxically most dependent on its bounty. They live in a sort of daze where they do not connect wealth and how it is produced, technology and how it is developed, and why they have the freedom to campaign for their worldview.

    Ya gotta laugh when you see ‘tree-changers’ on lifestyle programs simultaneously decrying as evil the benefits of Western civilisation, while moaning about their slow internet connection!

  8. johanna says:

    Oh, and I’m convinced that the reason so many lefties are unhappy/crazy is because of the cognitive dissonance mentioned above.

    At some level they know that their belief system simply doesn’t add up, and that’s very stressful.

  9. Strayan Drongo says:

    He isn’t a conservative, but he does seem to call out the left sometimes.

  10. C.L. says:

    This keeps being repeated here.

    Those who do so are apparently unaware of how this taps into the therapeutic culture that has done so much to wreck the ethos of self-responsibility and moral accountability that was once characteristic of Western societies.

    Leftism is not a disease. It is a political and moral choice and its advocates must be held accountable.

    Exactly, Roger.
    This is also why I no longer use the put-down about leftism being a “mental illness.” It’s also cruelly insulting to people so afflicted literally.

  11. Pyrmonter says:

    A candidate: Bari Wiess: left-of-centre journo, now running an anti-cancellation substack and doing the rounds of the more serious, sympathetic outlets: Commentary, Hoover etc. For example:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bz5gKxHlv0

  12. Roger says:

    I tend to agree Rog, but the stats that half of all white lefty women have a form of mental illness is enough for reasonable doubt!

    Serious question: is the diagnosis made before or after they commit to Leftism?

  13. Roger says:

    It’s also cruelly insulting to people so afflicted literally.

    +1

  14. Mother Lode says:

    Bill Maher does seem to have challenged a few of the left’s causes and excesses.

  15. Bad Samaritan says:

    Roger, C.L. and many others would possibly benefit by reading The Myth of Mental Illness by Thomas Szasz….

    From wiki: “Szasz argued throughout his career that mental illness is a metaphor for human problems in living, and that mental illnesses are not “illnesses” in the sense that physical illnesses are; and that except for a few identifiable brain diseases, there are “neither biological or chemical tests nor biopsy or necropsy findings for verifying DSM diagnoses”……His views on treatment followed from libertarian roots, based on the principles that each person has the right to bodily and mental self-ownership….Szasz first presented his attack on “mental illness” as a legal term in 1958 in the Columbia Law Review. In his article he argued that mental illness was no more a fact bearing on a suspect’s guilt than is possession by the devil….He argued that so-called mental illnesses had no underlying physiological basis, but were unwanted and unpleasant behaviors. Mental illness, he said was only a metaphor that described problems that people faced in their daily lives, labeled as if they were medical diseases.”

    OK, I won’t go on, but always bear in mind that most modern psychiatry is German/Austrian based., and that the German term for mentally ill is Geistes-Krank , which equals sick in the soul. Psychiatry etc in English is from the Greek…..”ψυχή (psychí)” which is likewise the soul. Hence the reference to being possessed by the devil!

  16. JC says:

    Roger, CL

    One can still be mentally ill and be responsible for their own actions.

    Explain how this is not a sign of mental illness.

    The highway system is racist! Racist!!

    The Biden administration claims that its proposed $2 trillion infrastructure program would accomplish everything from expanding mass transit to launching an era of green energy. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg has articulated another ambitious goal recently: reversing the “racist” history of America’s highway system.

  17. JC says:

    Bill Maher.

    Fuck him. Who cares if the douche-bag is alive or dead.

  18. Kneel says:

    “…who has moved to the right.”

    I don’t think my position has changed much, but where I am “placed” on the spectrum has moved as the the whole edifice lurched left. I probably would have been “centre-left” before, but am now called “right” or even “far right”. Maybe best described as (some would say contradictory) “left libertarian”.

  19. johanna says:

    Bad Samaritan, there is a grain of truth in there but it doesn’t help much in practical circumstances.

    If someone throws off all their clothes and dances around strewing flowers, that is one thing. But, if someone runs around committing assaults and murders, that is another.

    h/t The Divine Agatha.

  20. C.L. says:

    “Szasz argued throughout his career that mental illness is a metaphor for human problems in living, and that mental illnesses are not “illnesses” in the sense that physical illnesses are; and that except for a few identifiable brain diseases, there are “neither biological or chemical tests nor biopsy or necropsy findings for verifying DSM diagnoses”

    Bad Samaritan, I don’t have any problem with that as a thesis (nor with the identical analysis famously voiced by Scientologist Tom Cruise). I’m not an expert on the subject. But I would still say it’s possibly offensive to those who are having “problems in living” to compare them to leftists who are rationally choosing to do great harm to society for their own political ends.

    In The Sopranos, Tony’s mother – on hearing her mob boss son is seeing a shrink – disgustedly tells her informant that psychiatry is a “racket for the Joows” – which was pretty funny.

  21. Baa Humbug says:

    Bill Maher has always been a libertarian with hatred for the religious right.
    He also knows how to play to his audience and get a rise out of some of his guests.

  22. C.L. says:

    Explain how this is not a sign of mental illness.

    The highway system is racist! Racist!!

    LOL. I know. It’s pretty hard these days to differentiate malice and pathology.

  23. Roger says:

    Serious question: is the diagnosis made before or after they commit to Leftism?

    What I would posit is that Prog-Leftism is actually bad for your soul.

  24. Robber Baron says:

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg has articulated another ambitious goal recently: reversing the “racist” history of America’s highway system.

    They are just taking the piss now. Full on commos are in power and will never let go.

  25. Dot says:

    . In his article he argued that mental illness was no more a fact bearing on a suspect’s guilt than is possession by the devil…

    What an absurd crank.

    Obviously some people bung it on.

    Best Joowish psychiatrist in the twaaade, by the way:

    This scene was more brutal than any killing scenes in the series. Straight truth to the face of modern hypocrisy.

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