Open Forum: May 1, 2021

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  1. mh says:

    Beertruk says:
    May 3, 2021 at 11:31 pm

    I watched 4m:19s of that before calling time.
    Did I miss anything?
    btw, his take was pretty much the same as Cats and Mark Latham.

  2. the Qld govt is at war with private enterprise.

    mh; a couple of weeks ago an ominous email was sent out by the Office of Liquor & Gaming Regulation.

    It rattled on about how their ‘compliance inspectors’ will soon have time on their hands & coz the inspectors were busy the past year with being ‘on the front line in the war against covid’** that some businesses may have become complacent about compliance, blah blah blah.

    … ’twas easy to read the real message.

    (** these sub-optimal dickheads actually wrote that line themselves – that they’ve been “on the front line in the war against covid-19” .
    Liquor licenceing inspectors, ffs)

  3. mh says:

    Qld liquor licensing inspectors fighting a war against Covid-19?

    Covid-Na Na Na Na Nineteen

  4. Qld liquor licensing inspectors fighting a war against Covid-19?

    These jobsworths believe they’re not “turners” (dog joke) but are invaluable to society.

    Their “front line” service during covid-19 consisted of bringing a tape measure to my driveway & measuring the distance apart the red stripes were.
    (red stripes = red lines the law said I had to mark on the concrete, for people to stand in line in the driveway “socially distanced” while waiting for service)

    Seriously. They measured checkout queue social distancing marker lines…
    in a drive-through bottlo where all service is to the car window🤣🤣🤣

    “Front line service” 🤣🤣🤣

  5. They measured the distance apart of social distancing marker lines that were outdoors 🤣🤣🤣
    In a place where people do not queue on foot.

    Qld public service, the people who brought the phrase “Qld, the Smart State” to the world.

  6. mh says:

    Sal, Qld State govt debt is $130 Billion, and they waste money on fvcking nonsense like that.

  7. Mark A says:

    Lame pics.
    (A couple of shockers.)

  8. Steve trickler says:

    egg.

    I’ll suss it out when the stream finishes. Always up for something new. Those repetitious visuals though…gee whiz.

  9. Struth says:

    You show me where, exactly these mythological subsidies for rail operators lie, outside of the Kolkata Traffic Jam that comprises your thought processes, and I will fall silent.

    Rex I did a very quick search and this was the first thing that popped up.

    https://www.anao.gov.au/work/performance-audit/administration-grants-australian-rail-track-corporation

    As at September 2007, $975.3 million in Australian Government grant funding had been approved for the ARTC as part of the Australian Government’s $10.533 billion commitment under AusLink.

    That has a bit of the whiff of a subsidy to it.

    Hahahahahahahahha

    Oh dear!

    If I wasn’t such a stickler for good manners and class I’d say Rex’s just had his arse handed to him on a plate.
    Fuckwit.
    I just could not have been bothered searching because I take it as a given.

  10. miltonf says:

    As at September 2007, $975.3 million in Australian Government grant funding had been approved for the ARTC as part of the Australian Government’s $10.533 billion commitment under AusLink.

    So investing public money in railway lines is a bad thing? Rail shits all over road for long distance multimodal.

  11. 1735099 says:

    Seriously. They measured checkout queue social distancing marker lines…
    … in a drive-through bottlo where all service is to the car window

    There’s a pub in Queensland where you’re not allowed to park your car and walk into the drive-through bottlo.
    Seriously…

  12. Rossini says:

    Thanks Tom

  13. MiltonF:

    So investing public money in railway lines is a bad thing? Rail shits all over road for long distance multimodal.

    I’m surprised the railways aren’t considered part of the strategic defenses of the country.
    Try moving war supplies for just five brigades over the network we currently have.
    Rex Anger:
    You will know better than I, the gauge of railways in Australia is a bit of a dogs breakfast. The maps I’ve seen so far are just passenger – not freight. To move war stocks from, say, Townsville means they must go by road for much of the distance or go via S.A. and Alice Springs? Yes?

  14. Struth says:

    So investing public money in railway lines is a bad thing? Rail shits all over road for long distance multimodal.

    Methinks somebody is trying to change the goal posts here.
    Rex the choo choo head claimed rail wasn’t subsidised.
    While it’s government owned infrastructure subsidised by the taxpayer.

    And then Miltonf wants to tell me it shits all over road.
    A bit like claiming solar and wind are competitive power sources.

    Choo choo heads, you’re all the same. You live in a fantasy word.
    You don’t know what would shit over what in a free of subsidies, no government interference (or ownership) FMD scenario.
    And I have even stated that rail has it’s uses in some bulk haulage scenarios, like the coal trains and the iron ore etc.
    I’m not anti train.
    I’m just laughing at those who claim it stands on it’s own two feet and competes on equal footing with the heavily taxed unsubsidised road transport industry.

  15. Miltonf says:

    Winston you could go narrow gauge to Brissy then standard gauge Brissy Dubbo Parkes Broken Hill Adelaide

  16. Struth says:

    I’m surprised the railways aren’t considered part of the strategic defenses of the country.

    Australia’s defense equipment could fit on one train.

  17. Miltonf says:

    Freeways don’t just appear out of nowhere.

  18. Miltonf says:

    Much more public money has been spent on the Hume Highway than was ever spend on the railway line

  19. Miltonf says:

    You don’t have an argument if you have to resort to petty insults. All you seem to be interested in doing is bitching and belly aching. Some of us are into making Australia a better place.

  20. Struth says:

    I also note the hysterical Notafan and the other know nothings when it comes to driving and transport quoting figures that don’t even dispute mine , and then stupidly poking their tongues out as if they have discredited my statistics.

    Every year the figure moves slightly of course, but it is around 90 % of heavy vehicle fatal accidents, the truck driver is not at fault.
    Nothing notafan or the other schmucks posted here disproves that.
    In their eagerness to get me they’ve made fools of themselves again.
    What the F does the lone vehicle crashes, deaths of drivers only, got to do with that statistic?
    Try using your brain.
    You haven’t since march last year.

  21. Miltonf says:

    Go rail

  22. From The Daily Wire:
    One third of employees quit/are sacked after Wokeness is rejected by the company.

    Company excised wokeness from workplace after employees reportedly demanded “internal reckoning” over list of funny names that they, themselves, had helped create. Their invocation of “genocide,” one exec said, made rational discussion impossible.

  23. Struth says:

    Have a grizzle Milton.
    You choo choo heads have been telling porkies.
    If they are only petty insults I should lift my game.

    Rail is government owned and subsidised, unlike road transport, which pays for the roads it uses and much much more.
    It pays for the roads you use, which you prefer to drive on than a railway track.

    It’s not subsidised, so it could be argued, that road transport is subsidising rail.

    I’ll just say it again for you, because you aren’t getting it.
    Rail is subsidised, and road transport isn’t.
    Even if it isn’t direct subsidies, which it is, the users of that system, are not paying full usage costs, some are born by the taxpayer.

    A

  24. johanna says:

    Winston Smith says:
    May 4, 2021 at 4:58 am

    MiltonF:

    So investing public money in railway lines is a bad thing? Rail shits all over road for long distance multimodal.

    I’m surprised the railways aren’t considered part of the strategic defenses of the country.
    Try moving war supplies for just five brigades over the network we currently have.

    The late Des Ball, primo defence analyst, always supported the Alice to Darwin railway for exactly that reason. Under Howard, it was built. I doubt that there is much of an economic case for it, so perhaps Des’ views had some influence.

    Des, who I first met when I was about 18, was always a leftie, but above all he was a patriot. I like to think of that rail line as a big part of his legacy.

  25. Miltonf says:

    Like taxpayers and rate payers bear the cost of roads and highways

  26. Miltonf says:

    More hysterical insults too I see

  27. bespoke says:

    >

  28. Miltonf says:

    Unfortunately the land bridge to Asia didn’t really take off. Most containers seem to land in Melbourne and are railed and tossed from there afaik.

  29. Miltonf says:

    *railed and roaded

  30. Miltonf says:

    Anyway, instead of attacking the efficient rail freight industry, the really big worry is are fuel security. Also electricity.

  31. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Bruce of Newcastle says:
    May 3, 2021 at 9:57 pm

    Bruce, I haven’t read back far enough yet to find out why, but definitely have enjoyed your take in it! 😁

  32. Miltonf says:

    If BP, ExxonMob and Shell are going to rat on us then it may be time to bring back CoR.

  33. Ed Case says:

    There’s a good argument that Darwin only exists on Federal subsidies
    Not seeing the defense argument though.
    No invader is going thru Darwin, they’re going straight to Sydney and Melbourne.
    Some might even say they invaded thru Canberra years ago.

  34. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Winston @5:17
    I read that on Breitbart; good to see a company not falling for the “big sook” and instead telling its employees to get back to work and to do their own thing on their own time.

  35. Miltonf says:

    It’s also time to restart Gorton’s nuclear power plant at Jervis bay

  36. Ed Case says:

    What’s the process when they close a Refinery?
    Do they dismantle the gear and sell it for scrap?

  37. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Tom,
    Spooner,
    Thank you.

  38. Struth says:

    Like taxpayers and rate payers bear the cost of roads and highways

    You all use them.
    Why shouldn’t you?
    You’ve got nothing left here except for bitter tears.

    But the transport industry is not subsidised and pays more than it’s fair share for the roads than anyone in taxes and road user charges.
    Much more.
    That’s just a fact.
    That the roads are shit is because government doesn’t put that money back into the roads.
    It buys aboriginals homes and grog and and pays dole bludgers and all the rest, gives it to the Clinton foundation and generally wipes it’s arse with the rest.
    It overtaxes everyone, not just trucks, we can all agree.
    But if you would like me to give you a basic list of costs which are direct taxes on trucks I can.
    Take for example the 800 or so litres of fuel everyday?
    How much of that is tax?
    The quarterly rego in the thousands, and the thousands paid to mass management schemes (they tell us we need to pay more for more weight due to pay for the wear and tear on roads on top of what we already pay)
    The regos for trailers.
    The inspections and compliance that must paid for.
    On it goes.
    A truck cannot possibly damage the road as much as the truck is taxed.
    Not the driver or the business taxes.
    Just the charges on the truck.
    A truck does not do that much damage.
    It’s impossible.
    So it is not subsidised and is paying for more than just the roads.
    That’s just the plant and equipment basically.
    To suggest trucks don’t pay their way in lunacy.

  39. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    So “stunning and brave” it is

    Is that the flip side of “tired and emotional”?

  40. Struth says:

    The efficient rail freight industry is a term you can use if you wish, but it’s subsidised.
    So that means it isn’t.
    Fullstop.
    Or else it could stand on it’s own two feet and compete without subsidy.
    Lefties believe just saying it makes it so………..
    but it doesn’t, Milton.

  41. egg_ says:

    Those repetitious visuals though…gee whiz.

    It’s disappointing they didn’t make the loop a bit longer.

    I suspect the chatbot track lister will become a feature on many YouTube streaming music channels that seem to be popping up like mushrooms.

  42. Struth says:

    No invader is going thru Darwin, they’re going straight to Sydney and Melbourne.
    Some might even say they invaded thru Canberra years ago.

    Feb the 19 th 1942 ring any bells for you, Ed job?

  43. Ed Case says:

    No, it doesn’t.
    Airfields and Fuel Dumps were bombed, because … ta da… Darwin was where those things were located.

  44. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    DrBeauGan says:
    May 3, 2021 at 9:50 pm
    OK, I’m confused:

    https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1389175552133767169

    What are you confused about, CL?

    & Winston @ 9:37pm

    Thank goodness for that comment Winston,. I thought I’d stumbled and maybe stood in something that I wished I hadn’t said anything about! (ps not the subject of your comment, just the reference to a cat [wipes forehead]). 😄

  45. Ed Case says:

    Even if Rail Freight was subsidised, so what?
    Long Distance Road Transport is still an inefficient bway to move goods compared to Rail due to the constant cost of maintaining the roads, duplicating roads ,building more roads, congestion of roads, danger to mother road users …

  46. Albatross says:

    Trains are shite.

  47. johanna says:

    Struth, bitch and nitpick all you like, but the fact is that rail from Day 1 has been about freight. That includes rail in the US in the second half of the C19th, entirely funded by private money. To this day, there are plenty of profitable rail outfits in the US that only do freight.

    Meanwhile, Amtrak loses money every year.

    Rail has a profitable niche in freight. The passenger lines are political decisions.

    It’s not rocket surgery, and doesn’t require bile and bitterness to discuss it sensibly.

    (Oh, there I go again, being an emotional wimmenses who cannot possibly evaluate anything except via my hormones. Unlike you.)

  48. Albatross says:

    Ed Case says:
    May 4, 2021 at 5:59 am
    Even if Rail Freight was subsidised, so what?

    Fuck off bolshie.

  49. Struth says:

    Read up on the surrender of Singapore, Ed case, if you are one of those fruit loops who think you know where the invasion is going to come from.

    Not that the subject is worth discussing, as we’ve already been taken over as of Feb last year.

  50. Struth says:

    Even if Rail Freight was subsidised, so what?
    Long Distance Road Transport is still an inefficient bway to move goods compared to Rail due to the constant cost of maintaining the roads, duplicating roads ,building more roads, congestion of roads, danger to mother road users …

    The dumb runs deep.

  51. Albatross says:

    constant cost of maintaining the roads

    Tracks require no maintenance.

    duplicating roads

    A single track is all anyone will ever need.

    building more roads

    A rail network is never expanded.

    congestion of roads

    There is no contention for track resources.

  52. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    (Again, no wish to enter the debate on rail/road) but this could go down in history as the Cat selection trials for a new Olympic Games endurance sport: though not sure what to call it yet…

  53. bespoke says:

    But the transport industry is not subsidised(sic) 😎

    err I walked away from a delivery subcontract because the dude tried to include low income assistance.

    Every one in Australia benefit’s at the least from indirect subsidies so no high ground to be had. This pissing match is counter productive the problem is everyone has become obligated to whoever hands out the cash.

  54. Ed Case says:

    Singapore was a British Military installation, Struth, that’s the reason it was attacked.
    Military installations tend to be targets in wartime, counterintuitive as that may sound to you.

  55. Albatross says:

    subsidised(sic)

    Whatever Seppo.

  56. johanna says:

    Breitbart report on the latest contract for military equipment:

    The U.S. State Department has approved two potential arms deals for Australia totaling $1.94 billion which are destined to provide the key Indo-Pacific ally with new Abram main battle tanks and more helicopters.

    The Defense Security Cooperation Agency agreed the first deal on Friday. It is valued at $1.685 billion and sees the United States selling 160 M1A1 tank structures to build M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams Main Battle Tanks, M1150 Assault Breacher Vehicles and other vehicles, according to the DSCA’s press release.

    According to the DSCA, the heavy armed combat systems deal would enhance the “lethality, survivability, and interoperability of the Australian Army” and “strengthen its homeland defense and deter regional threats.”

    UPI reports the principal contractors for the deal would be General Dynamics Land Systems, BAE Systems Leonardo DRS and Honeywell Aerospace.

    The second deal, valued at $259 million, involves the sale of an additional four Boeing CH-47F cargo helicopters and related equipment to the Australian government, according to a DSCA press release.

    The Australian Defence Force (ADF) has already received 10 CH-47F Chinooks, which replaced seven CH-47Ds it had operated since 1995.

    These helicopters are operated by the Australian Army from Townsville, Queensland.

    Make of that what you will, military nerds.

    BTW, Simon Kent, the reporter for this piece, used to be a leftie rock journalist for publications like RAM and Rolling Stone. Looks like he has grown up.

  57. Struth says:

    Ah yes, I bitch and nitpick .
    This is what hearing the truth loud and proud gets called by the losers of arguments.

    Get back in the kitchen woman!
    Firstly your day one was back in the 19th century.
    Secondly, RAIL IS SUBSIDISED.
    Just don’t subsidise it and see how it goes.
    Fine with that.
    Leave it all in private hands, and where it is better, it will be used.
    I thought this was the attitude we were all supposed to have on this blog.
    While it’s subsidised you cannot claim it is efficient or has it’s place anywhere.
    I hope to god one day it can compete.
    You may not have noticed, but I’m out of the road transport industry and will never get back into it while my arse points to the ground.
    It’s rooted.
    But that’s not the point.
    The reality of the Australian situation is that one type of transport does not require subsidies, pays it’s way and is far more efficient and quicker 99% of the time in most circumstances.
    That’s why the majority of freight in Australia is transported by trucks.
    It’s competitors require subsidies to stay in existence.
    Road transport uses and pays for infrastructure everybody else uses with their cars, and these car drivers would want the government to provide roads even if road transport did not exist.
    Could you imagine the cost of your car rego then, to get the standard of roads we have now?

    I’d like to see rail stand on it’s own two feet, but besides not really suiting our low population, spread out population geography or demographics, it has major downsides in not being reliable, one flood or derailment, means call in the trucks anyway.
    It has it’s uses, and unsubsidised I say go your hardest.
    But you’ll all still want your roads, and the trucks will still be loading and unloading the train each end.
    Transport ignorance is looking at a really long container train and thinking, “that’s really efficient, all freight should go like that.”

  58. Mark A says:

    To suggest trucks don’t pay their way in lunacy.

    This is the absolute truth as far as I see it, but it is mostly anecdotal as far as I’m concerned bc. I haven’t got the complete stats.

    One of the 24/7 forumites who has all the time in the world and the interest, could collect the data re. road taxes, every last bit of item including fuel, spares, maintenance of equipment etc, and taxes paid by drivers-employers.

    Same for rail.
    Only way to find out for sure.

  59. Struth says:

    err I walked away from a delivery subcontract because the dude tried to include low income assistance.

    ?????????

    Every one in Australia benefit’s at the least from indirect subsidies so no high ground to be had. This pissing match is counter productive the problem is everyone has become obligated to whoever hands out the cash.

    Road transport does not.
    These sweeping statements when you have no argument are quite pathetic.

  60. Struth says:

    Singapore was a British Military installation, Struth, that’s the reason it was attacked.
    Military installations tend to be targets in wartime, counterintuitive as that may sound to you.

    You poor little head job.
    I was talking about the expected direction of invasion, you space cadet.

  61. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Good to hear that Tony Abbott has written to the French President to object to a plan to install giant wind turbines that will tower over the Villers-Bretonneux memorial and desecrate the resting place of the war dead.

    https://stopthesethings.com/tag/villers-bretonneux-wind-farm/

  62. Knuckle Dragger says:

    ‘Airfields and Fuel Dumps were bombed, because’

    The target was the port and its infrastructure you dunce, and the myriad of USN ships in it at the time along with RAN assets. It was (and is) a position from where air and naval power can be projected through the Dutch east Indies, and as far up as – well, Singapore.

    Just like Singapore – it’s not what it is, but where it is.

  63. Knuckle Dragger says:

    *East*

    Reverse Ed Case syndrome. Not enough capital letters instead of way too many.

  64. bespoke says:

    It was said earlier the you do nothing but project Struth, I agree.
    Your endless wordwall proclamations are boring and do not assist change.

  65. Herodotus says:

    I listen to the BBC in the wee small hours because they are usually the best of a very bad lot. But during the current edition of Newshour, on at 5-6am today, they managed to illustrate perfectly how dodgy they are.
    1. A report on antiAsian behaviours used Donald Trump’s calling the virus the China Virus as an example of inciting racism.
    2. An extended interview with Christiane Figueras – she bemoaned the changing stances of USA admins on the Paris accord, and said they’d have to legislate to achieve consistency! She hammered the point that the world had to achieve half emissions by 2030 or else, but failed to mention China, India, or Africa. The BBC will, promised the anchor man. be doing deep dives into climate change every day from now on, up to the Glasgow COP #26.
    Leftism is beyond a mental disorder now. It is running the asylum and intent on destroying western civilisation.

  66. Knuckle Dragger says:

    This, from the NT News is so stupid I almost didn’t post it. But anyway:

    ‘WITH travel restrictions in place, Alice Springs could pose as the ‘new Bali’, according to online travel agency Skyscanner.

    ‘Central Australia has destinations such as Ormiston Gorge, Kings Canyon, the West and East MacDonnell Ranges and Hermannsburg Historic precinct.

    ‘With international travel banned, the capital of the Red Centre has emerged as a popular search destination according to a report from Skyscanner.

    ‘The report has revealed Alice Springs as a contender to replace Bali among traditional domestic destinations such as the Whitsundays, Gold Coast and Cairns.’

    Yes indeed. It’s a coin toss between the Whitsundays and Alice Springs, where you come for the nightly cultural riots and stonings, and stay for the scabies.

  67. Herodotus says:

    “Central Australia has destinations such as Ormiston Gorge, Kings Canyon, the West and East MacDonnell Ranges and Hermannsburg Historic precinct.“
    I expect they will be renamed with aboriginal names and declared to be too precious for the tramping boots of tourists!

  68. Entropy says:

    Take for example the 800 or so litres of fuel everyday?
    How much of that is tax?

    About $380.
    Yes, Then there is the rego, compliance charges etc etc etc.

    Struth is in the right here. These are all aggressive taxes on production.

    Parasites are killing us.

  69. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Leftism is beyond a mental disorder now. It is running the asylum and intent on destroying western civilisation.”

    And stamping out all dissent.

  70. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Midget houso cack-handed ranga news:

    Jaapie paceman Dale Steyn reckons the little weasel’s team management has only just realised he’s a skiving cheat (the Hun):

    ‘“He’s never really let them down as a captain or as a batsman or as a fielder. The effort or energy he puts into every game is incredible.

    ‘“That’s the captaincy side of things, but removing him from a playing XI takes a lot to work through. You could argue that David Warner is the best overseas batsman ever to play in the IPL.

    ‘“For him to fall from that level there is obviously something, there’s a big think tank involved in Sunrisers from Tom Moody, Trevor Bayliss, VVS Laxman, Muralitharan.”’

    Meanwhile, a small round of applause to Scott Morrison (I know) for pointing out the obvious – ie, that the Australians doing IP rounds are not wearing the baggy green but engaging in a purely commercial enterprise:

    ‘If Warner or any of his fellow countrymen try to come home from India before May 15 they face five years in jail. The move appears to be in response to Adam Zampa and Kane Richardson flying home Friday morning via Doha when Prime Minister Scott Morrison had mistakenly announced that route was closed.

    ‘There is no guarantee that the ban will be lifted on May 15.

    ‘Mr Morrison made it clear he has no sympathy for the cricketers, noting at his press conference they were not representing their country while playing at the IPL.’

  71. johanna says:

    Ah yes, I bitch and nitpick .
    This is what hearing the truth loud and proud gets called by the losers of arguments.

    Get back in the kitchen woman!
    Firstly your day one was back in the 19th century.
    Secondly, RAIL IS SUBSIDISED.
    Just don’t subsidise it and see how it goes.
    Fine with that.
    Leave it all in private hands, and where it is better, it will be used.

    Another example of why females are invariably demented, hormone driven banshees, while males are calm, rational beings.

    As I said from the start, rail was always about freight, and it still is today. What part of that is so hard to understand? Private money has built rail freight lines, but of course they were happy to take advantage of publicly funded lines.

    Why are you so angry?

  72. Struth says:

    I suppose the main reason for my passionate embrace of this road transport argument has to do with the realities of life and the lives lost on our roads, and the misery and carnage.

    If you take road transport out of the equation and support rail with government funds, in
    other words, the government starts picking winners it starts doing as we now see, it lets the roads deteriorate and attempts to tax and harass it’s unpreferred form of transport to help it’s preferred method.
    But the very big point I am trying to make is the infrastructure road transport uses and pays for is the very infrastructure you all want to drive your cars on.
    It’s not a separate piece of infrastructure.
    The reality is that unless you want to go back to 1885, trucks are unaviodable and roads and trucks are necessary to load and unload trains, to go around floods the train can’t get through, or the one derailment that stops thousands of tonnes of freight getting through, and going across the nullabor I know for a fact it happens quite often, and we all got busy.
    We all want good roads.
    So to me it makes sense to invest the money the transport system pays in tax, back into the roads you will all want to use as well, to make the whole scene safer.
    The truth is government puts back hardly any of what it makes out of transport when all taxes are counted, car drivers taxes as well…..think of the money they get…..back into the roads.
    People are dying, and the horrors are real.
    That we don’t have a major four lane from Cairns down to Brisbane already is criminal.
    The government have blood on their hands.
    You’ll want your roads anyway, and they can be a lot safer than they are.
    You can’t do without trucks unless you want to go back to 1885 road infrastructure with modern cars.
    We need the roads, and we need road transport to fund those roads, and we need the road transport industry’s taxes to be used on the roads you all want to use and those roads to be maintained and made much safer.
    Caravanners and big scary trucks, and 4wd ers from Qld aren’t so much a problem and a danger to you on a freeway compared with a rough single lane goat track.

  73. Struth says:

    Why are you so angry?

    Cause’ you’re so dumb.

    I said if it’s unsubsidised I’m fine with it.
    But it isn’t.

    What part of that is hard for you?

  74. johanna says:

    Yes indeed. It’s a coin toss between the Whitsundays and Alice Springs, where you come for the nightly cultural riots and stonings, and stay for the scabies.

    You are such a killjoy, KD.

    Who wouldn’t want a hot stone massage, riverbed style?

  75. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Herodotus:

    ‘I expect they will be renamed with aboriginal names’

    Done, and done. Tjorita, Watarrka and Ntaria. The original names were not used by the bastard colonials, as they had yet to discover the 250,000 year old indig grammatical manuscripts.

  76. hzhousewife says:

    Bill and Melinda Gates to divorce….

  77. johanna says:

    Still calling me a hormone driven idiot, Struth? Please say yea or nay.

    Let us know if anything I say can be dismissed by your genitalia.

  78. Struth says:

    Still calling me a hormone driven idiot, Struth? Please say yea or nay.

    Let us know if anything I say can be dismissed by your genitalia.

    Haven’t you got a garden bed to weed, you old chook?
    If you’re not going to make me a cuppa, get out amongst your affids.

  79. Struth says:

    ‘With international travel banned, the capital of the Red Centre has emerged as a popular search destination according to a report from Skyscanner.

    Who needs Queenstown NZ, or Las Vegas, when there are millions of flies and smells to make you dry reach if you get to close to certain types, in our own backyard!

  80. custard says:

    Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America

    The Fraudulent Presidential Election of 2020 will be, from this day forth, known as THE BIG LIE! 

  81. johanna says:

    Oh, and if Lizzie is reading, best wishes.

    I know that being in hospital for surgery is very unpleasant, but what is worse is the aftermath. Ever since nursing became a ‘profession’ things have gone downhill.

    My advice – get home ASAP.

    Regards

    Jo

  82. custard says:

    Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America

    Please explain to the Democrats and RINOs that the reason Texas-06 completely shut out Democrats in Saturday’s Jungle Primary is because of my Endorsement of Susan Wright, who surged last week after receiving it. The Democrats were shut out and now it will be a contest between two Republicans, a very big win. It would be nice, however, if the pundits and Fake News Media would state the real reason for this unprecedented (Democrats have never been shut out before) victory!

  83. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Bill and Melinda Gates announce they’re divorcing.
    Whoa, that’s going to be some carve up.

  84. custard says:

    Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America

    So nice to see RINO Mitt Romney booed off the stage at the Utah Republican State Convention. They are among the earliest to have figured this guy out, a stone cold loser!

  85. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Skool news (the Hun):

    ‘Principals will be given the power to ban aggressive or violent parents from their schools under radical new laws to be introduced in Victoria.

    ‘Mums and dads would face immediate 14-day bans and principals given extraordinary powers to block entry to schools for up to a year. Parents who breach the ban would face fines of up to $10,000.’

    Note the emotive ‘mums and dads’ instead of ‘Tiger Moms and tyrannical helicopter parents’.

    Yes I realise this is a stepping-stone for an anecdote about ‘how I talked down an angry parent, and made him realise that the reason his child couldn’t read or write after a decade in one of muh schools was Menzies.’

  86. custard says:

    Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America

    Heartwarming to read new polls on big-shot warmonger Liz Cheney of the great State of Wyoming. She is so low that her only chance would be if vast numbers of people run against her which, hopefully, won’t happen. They never liked her much, but I say she’ll never run in a Wyoming election again!

  87. calli says:

    All the very best for your results today, Lizzie. Mongrel of a thing.

    Like many other little hobby groups, mine has been supporting research into early detection for decades – one of our members is a research scientist in the field. When you look at the ridiculous sums government throws away on nothing (the milkshake ad, for instance), it’s a scandal how hard it is to scrape up funds for simple equipment like freezers etc.

    The guys obeyed your request and gave us lurkers an entertaining evening – buttered cat notwithstanding. 😀

  88. Knuckle Dragger says:

    A pic of Bill and Melinda Gates just flashed up on the teev.

    The reason for divorce is obvious.

    Melinda is a dude.

  89. johanna says:

    Struth says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:05 am

    Still calling me a hormone driven idiot, Struth? Please say yea or nay.

    Let us know if anything I say can be dismissed by your genitalia.

    Haven’t you got a garden bed to weed, you old chook?
    If you’re not going to make me a cuppa, get out amongst your affids.

    I’m trying to put my finger on the flaw in Struth’s plan to win friends and influence people.

  90. TailgunneR says:

    Trucks have better witch avoidance measures than trains.
    The end.

  91. Albatross says:

    Knuckle Dragger says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:17 am
    A pic of Bill and Melinda Gates just flashed up on the teev.

    The reason for divorce is obvious.

    Bill is a kiddie-diddling pervert?

  92. Struth says:

    ‘Principals will be given the power to ban aggressive or violent parents from their schools under radical new laws to be introduced in Victoria.

    Then they’ll ban home schooling and force your kid into the indoctrination centres of our new global socialist state.

  93. Albatross says:

    TailgunneR says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:20 am
    Trucks have better witch avoidance measures than trains.
    The end.

    Trucks can ACAB better than trains, full stop.

  94. Albatross says:

    Struth says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:21 am
    ‘Principals will be given the power to ban aggressive or violent parents

    Daylight between aggressive and violent. Guess I’ll be tone policed from now on.

    DW guys, I’ll just move immediately from seething resentment to violence if this is the new rule.

  95. bespoke says:

    Bruce of Newcastle says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:14 am
    Bill and Melinda Gates announce they’re divorcing.
    Whoa, that’s going to be some carve up.

    Who gets the testicles?

  96. Farmer Gez says:

    Yes all the best Lizzie.
    My wife had a similar experience but all turned out well. It’s a terrible time waiting on results particularly in our case when the specialist seemed to call disaster before the proof.

  97. Albatross says:

    bespoke says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:24 am
    Bruce of Newcastle says:
    […]
    Who gets the testicles?

    Melinda retains assets she brought into the marriage.

  98. calli says:

    Tried to save the world but couldn’t save their marriage.

    There’s a lesson in there somewhere.

  99. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Being otherwise engaged — has anyone here watched The Man In the Mirror about The Ghostly Spectres of Australian politics? Good move to call it the Man in the Mirror because both would be so discomforted with being compared to other.

  100. Struth says:

    I’m trying to put my finger on the flaw in Struth’s plan to win friends and influence people.

    I like certain people, I think you have a pretty thick skin, so I have a laugh.
    You old battle axe.

    Most people here are fine or else I wouldn’t be here.
    But Johanna, thou art would not forsake me of the fun in taking on my detractors?
    After the coup d’etat occurred in Feb last year, a few here showed their true colours and decided for example, I was a nanna killer for singing in Pubs, a conspiracy theorist, covid was deadly, “cases” were of hysterical concern, agreed with the tyranny (only up to stage two) or because I thought it was my duty to disobey tyranny and stand at my towns epitaph at the Dawn of Anzac day, that I was an attention seeker and a grifter when I thought, at that stage, very wrongly, as it turned out, that others might naturally take that position, I thought it would be a given.
    Especially amongst the people here.
    I like you Johanna, and you know that.
    But you should never be allowed to comment or leave the kitchen without male permission.

  101. Diogenes says:

    Note the emotive ‘mums and dads’ instead of ‘Tiger Moms and tyrannical helicopter parents’.

    Tiger Moms and helicopter parents are not the problem. Bogan parents with massive chips on their shoulders are.

  102. Tintarella di Luna says:

    A friend happened to call the Australian Human Rights Commission and spoke to an officer there in relation to a contentious matter – my friend told the person on the other end of the phone that they were not correct in relation to a particular statement to which the snowflake on the other side said my friend was being abusive, the friend asked how given that she’d not raised her voice or been in any way aggressive or unpleasant — the answer was – well you’re disagreeing with me — so there you have it — if you persist in getting the correct information then you are cut off for being abusive works well eh?

  103. Dot says:

    Bruce O’Newk:

    The Chinese nuking Canberra would ruin the Government’s whole day.

    It’d make mine…

    Sedition alert! Legalise sedition…hmm, it sort of is.

  104. Dot says:

    well you’re disagreeing with me

    …but you’re ALL disagreeing with me, bigots.

  105. custard says:

    Twitter has just suspended ilDonaldoTrumpo from their platform. This tweet was probably why….

    https://twitter.com/guidofawkes1976/status/1389295078393348099?s=21

  106. Knuckle Dragger says:

    ‘Maximum Leader Update!’

    Apparently he was caught Nathan Winn-ing on Foxy’s desk.

  107. bespoke says:

    I admired Bill for his work ethic, vision and success and thought the browser wars was extortion. Not anymore.

  108. H B Bear says:

    Any trucking news, truckers?

  109. Dot says:

    ‘WITH travel restrictions in place, Alice Springs could pose as the ‘new Bali’, according to online travel agency Skyscanner.

    …Oh God…!

  110. Struth says:

    Any trucking news, truckers?

    Do you understand Hindu?

  111. Barry says:

    I’m predicting Bill Gates has been latched onto by a 25yo green social justice bint who wants a slice of the 47billion. Same as Boris J he’s gone all soft and socialist vax-nazi.

    Wait for the announcement in a couple of days where he steps out with the wrecker.

  112. calli says:

    I like you Johanna, and you know that.
    But you should never be allowed to comment or leave the kitchen without male permission.

    You have a crush on nota, too, you old softie. I can tell.

    🤣

  113. sfw says:

    A big reason that rail will struggle against road for general freight is just like Struth said, the freight has to be picked up delivered to the rail yards, loaded onto a train, then the trip. In Sydney it has to be unloaded, loaded onto a truck then delivered. Now I don’t know how many 20′ shipping containers a Melb Syd train can carry but let’s say 200.

    Now most non imported freight isn’t packed in containers, it’s palletised and loaded directly into a tautliner or fridge trailer. So to load the train you would need a massive yard relatively central in Melbourne or Syd, Something big enough to handle hundreds of trucks at around the same time, then enough staff and equipment to unload all the trucks (this takes time) and reload on the train. This would take a lot of time and resources. You could get rid of most existing truck trailers and go to a fully containerised model where the goods would be loaded into the container at the customer end then at the railyards lift the containers onto the trains. Again this would require a lot of equipment and space and time.

    So say a truck picks up a load from Laverton Melb and takes it to Weatherill Park Sydney. Arrives Laverton at 6am, around an hour to load, maybe less, leaves for Syd at 7am. Take around 10 hours to Syd, arrive at 5pm, unload 1 hour, truck then either goes to next pickup then rest or rest and next pickup in the morning. So the freight is in Sydney the same day (or overnight) and truck is free to work again depending on driver situation.

    Now assume he is doing it by rail, picks up Laverton at 6am, 1 hour load, drives to central yard 1 hour, on arrival there is a queue there always is at these places look at the docks. So after waiting 1/2 hour, more likely 2 hours he is at unloading bay, 1 hour to unload and off he goes to next pickup. The freight may or may not be loaded directly onto a train, more likely it will be in a short term storage area until it can be loaded, assume that today the system is running well and it is on the train in under an hour, It will still take several hours for the train to be loaded and ready to go. Say that by 11am it can leave (unlikely). I don’t know how long it takes a freight train Melb to Sydney but the XPT takes 11 hours so the freight train would take closer to 18 I reckon probably longer. So freight train in Sydney at 5am next day, again assuming that everything is efficient the train is unloaded onto hundreds of trucks or into a short term holding area till truck loading. Say 1.5 hours for a truck to arrive, get loaded and leave, another hour to Weatherill Park at around 6.30am.

    You can see that using rail will considerably increase freight times even under the most optimistic situations, more likely it would two or more days for the freight to arrive. Most cats would understand that much of our warehousing and other industry operates on a ‘just in time’ model, the extension of freight times would require a complete rethinking of many business models and probably a lot of capital outlay to cope with a rail based model.

    If you think I’m wrong tell me where.

  114. Dot says:

    Do you understand Hindu?

    Do the Needful, Catch me on the Auswide and Revert Back to Me.

  115. feelthebern says:

    Bill and Melinda Gates to divorce….

    Annnnnee ! Get in here !!

  116. 1735099 says:

    Principals will be given the power..

    The Screw must have visited his kids’ school.

  117. Dot says:

    Surely ilDonaldo Trumpo is actually Nick Fuentes?

  118. feelthebern says:

    The Fox family has Dan over a barrel.
    There is literally nothing Dan Andrews can do without them exposing him.

  119. Dot says:

    LOL

    Don de Trumpo

  120. H B Bear says:

    I’m only here for the trucking and ‘Nam news, baby.

  121. feelthebern says:

    Surely ilDonaldo Trumpo is actually Nick Fuentes?

    Isn’t he Enrico Pallazzo?

  122. H B Bear says:

    OK, maybe trains, hydrogen and the Brittany tapes. Where ARE they?

  123. johanna says:

    Struth says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:39 am

    Any trucking news, truckers?

    Do you understand Hindu?

    It’s Hindi, you ignoramus. And, Hindus like my GP do not drive trucks. In stratified India. they are at the top.

    Keep telling us about why your testicles are proof that you are right about everything.

  124. Dot says:

    Just a reminder from our most elite cultural maven:

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/cash-me-outside-girl-claims-to-have-broken-onlyfans-record-making-1-million-in-6-hours

    Remember, she joined the day she turned eighteen.

    “I’m 18, great, now I have a phat ass and phat pussy to share with the world for a low, low price”

    American rapper and internet personality, Bhad Bhabie — whose real name is Danielle Bregoli — is best known as the “Cash Me Outside” girl who famously appeared on “Dr. Phil” and then proceeded to threaten the audience whom she referred to as “hoes.”

    Since her appearance on “Dr. Phil” in September 2016, Bregoli’s rise to cultural prominence has only continued. According to a TikTok video she posted, she recently made more than $1 million in just six hours after she launched her OnlyFans account.

    “Bhabie — a.k.a. the ‘Cash Me Outside’ girl, whose real name is Danielle Bregoli — posted a video on TikTok of what appears to be her revenue: $1,092,762.63. The video is set to Fat Joe and Remy Ma’s ‘All the Way Up,’” reported the New York Post.

    In an Instagram post to her 17.1 million followers, Bregoli wrote “not bad for 6 hours,” and “we broke the f*** out of that onlyfans record.” Included was a screenshot, apparently of her OnlyFans account finances, showing an income for “subscriptions” of $757,526.08, “tips” of $5,502.35, and “messages” of $267,675, amounting to a total of $1,030,703.43.

  125. Mater says:

    The Screw must have visited his kids’ school.

    Don’t feel abandoned, Bob, I’m still watching you. 👀

  126. Dot says:

    Keep telling us about why your testicles are proof that you are right about everything.

    struth must be a chick.

    It’s our cocks actually, that give us that ability.

  127. Struth says:

    You are right, sfw, but let me add that most urban types would see trucks on the Hume in your example and consider all those trucks to be going from city to city.
    Which is just not the case.
    Coming in from Shepparton, Wodonga, about to turn off at Wagga for Perth or Cummins in SA, to wheelabarrback and Bum f..k and back, the whole show is so varied, no train or rail system can do this.
    So I make the point, unless you want to go back to the dark ages, you’re going to have trucks, so may as well support them and fix the roads everyone else wants to use as well.
    You’re going to have trucks whether you like it or not.
    They are the unsubsidised main carriers of freight in this country, and because of the example I’ve just made, Australia is more reliant on them than many nations.
    Fixed and an upgraded road system would be an economic boom for this country, (not that that matters anymore) like the interstate system did for the USA, and make driving a hell of a lot safer for everyone.
    But instead we are getting governments wanking over rail agian, like this very fast train rubbish.

  128. Struth says:

    It’s Hindi, you ignoramus. And, Hindus like my GP do not drive trucks. In stratified India. they are at the top.

    Keep telling us about why your testicles are proof that you are right about everything.

    They’re all ethnics to me.
    Couldn’t give a rat’s arse how it’s spelled.
    My penis told me to write that.

  129. duncanm says:

    TailgunneR says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:24 am
    https://twitter.com/LawyersCity/status/1388282934570872832?s=19
    Maximum Leader Update!

    so who’s the mysterious ex ALP minister who wrecked his datto?

  130. feelthebern says:

    I am both horrified & fascinated how Iran is playing this administration.
    They know they can do anything to a point (ie Israel stepping in).
    The same power structure that sent them the pallet of cash (& those who clipped the ticket) are back in power.
    And they didn’t have to pay K Street.
    They just waited for the Biden’s to knock on their door.
    Obama has the shits because he didn’t clip the tickets that the Clintons & Bidens did during his administration.

  131. Struth says:

    My penis told me to write that.

    If it was my balls, it would be a longer statement, these days.

  132. Leigh Lowe says:

    tyranny (only up to stage two) or because I thought it was my duty to disobey tyranny and stand at my towns epitaph at the Dawn of Anzac day, that I was an attention seeker and a grifter when I thought, at that stage, very wrongly, as it turned out, that others might naturally take that position …

    More lone pining from St Ruth.
    Well done sir!

  133. min says:

    Melinda Gates is worried about the blanket Bill wants to put over the planet to stop the sun frizzling us . She could be not convince him to look what happened when a couple of volcanoes did me thing back in medieval times .

  134. JC says:

    Bill and Melinda Gates to divorce….

    Annnnnee ! Get in here !!

    I thought Billinda was a single entity. I hope he hasn’t done a Bezos and ended up with a trannie.

  135. duncanm says:

    maximum maximum..
    https://cairnsnews.org/2021/04/16/deadly-dan-who-backed-the-china-plan-could-be-in-one-of-his-victorian-courts/

    The Facebookers allege Andrews is fighting a rape charge in court, under the radar naturally, for a dalliance with one of Lindsay Fox’s grand-daughters aged 17.

    In return Andrews is said to be prosecuting his assailants for bashing him senseless over the alleged rape.

  136. Leigh Lowe says:

    H B Bear says:

    May 4, 2021 at 7:44 am

    I’m only here for the trucking and ‘Nam news, baby.

    Take that away and waddya got?
    .
    REPORT THIS AD.

  137. Dot says:

    Cue the greatest conspiracy of all.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/3047797/gisele-tom-brady-illuminati-transgender-conspiracy-theory/

    MOST BONKERS THEORY EVER Glamorous model Gisele and her husband Tom Brady are ‘transgender Illuminati’ according to one imaginative conspiracy theorist

    He claims they are a “textbook example”

    My guess is the purveyors of this idea secretly want to watch models and actresses actually give birth.

  138. 132andBush says:

    The quarterly rego in the thousands, and the thousands paid to mass management schemes (they tell us we need to pay more for more weight due to pay for the wear and tear on roads on top of what we already pay)

    My late mate always said you were paying to break the law.

  139. Leigh Lowe says:

    Duncanm.
    It’s from the Cairns News.
    It reads like Faulty and Anne are the editors.

  140. H B Bear says:

    Sneakers and the kids-in-short-pants are trying to have a Covid scare without locking people up.

  141. feelthebern says:

    Do any US tax experts know how carried interest works in a divorce situation?

  142. Dot says:

    The Facebookers allege

    LOL

  143. feelthebern says:

    Dot, how dare you !

  144. Leigh Lowe says:

    A hint that something might contain traces of bullshit is when it is prefaced with …

    The Facebookers allege …

  145. H B Bear says:

    Dot is the new Annie. How did I know this would happen?

  146. Leigh Lowe says:

    Snap, dot.

  147. duncanm says:

    Leigh Lowe says:
    May 4, 2021 at 8:02 am
    Duncanm.
    It’s from the Cairns News.
    It reads like Faulty and Anne are the editors.

    yeh – but its like kangaroo court. Good for a laugh, and maybe there’s some fire behind all the smoke.

  148. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    The same power structure that sent them the pallet of cash (& those who clipped the ticket) are back in power.

    They got another pallet last week. And are due an even bigger one shortly.

    Reported Biden-Era ‘Swap’ with Iran Absolutely Dwarfs Obama Administration’s $400 Million Cash Drop to the Islamic Republic, But US Officials Deny (2 May)

    “The Americans accepted to pay $7 billion and swap four Iranians who were active in bypassing sanctions for four American spies who have served part of their sentences,” Iranian state TV said, quoting an official it did not name, according to The Associated Press.

    Iranian state TV said a British prisoner would also be freed as part of another deal.

    “Release of Nazanin Zaghari in exchange for UK’s payment of its 400 million pound debt to Iran has also been finalized. The source also said the Biden administration has agreed to pay Iran $7 billion,” it said, according to Reuters.

    Hostage taking seems to be quite lucrative. Don’t visit Iran or anywhere near it.

  149. feelthebern says:

    They will do anything to detract from the GOAT.
    Tom Brady is a role model for young men.

  150. Fair Shake says:

    …on the train issue. A plan is in the works is for Melbourne Brisbane line for freight. The rail will carry containers , two high. As per the US. This requires major works on the rail network. It will use the existing line up from Melbourne to Wagga and head inland from there. From Wagga north this requires new lines, bridges etc. South of Wagga requires new bridges as well cos they are currently too low to accommodate the carriages. Hence the piece about Glenrowan (Victoria) Ned Kelly country, locals protesting against works to a bridge planned. Anyway it’s coming. Gets mentioned in budget papers now and then as government allocates more funds.

  151. bespoke says:

    H B Bear says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:37 am
    Any trucking news, truckers?

    In short (with the self pity, emotional manipulation removed) everyone but truckies are commie free loaders.

  152. JC says:

    Bern

    Very likely the same as cap gains, which means a divorce isn’t a trigger. Also they would have very little in their own name.

    I think laws allow for divorce not to impact greatly on the tax side. Shelias demanded this from my recollection.

  153. feelthebern says:

    Monday: Truck day.
    Tuesday: Train day.

  154. Diogenes says:

    . In Sydney it has to be unloaded, loaded onto a truck then delivered. Now I don’t know how many 20′ shipping containers a Melb Syd train can carry but let’s say 200.

    How much freight is truly urgent, and does not matter if it takes an extra day to arrive?

    Stand at the side of tracks at Sydney Airport on the Mascot Branch which services the Cooks River container depot. Count how many trains come through every day. Count the numbers of containers being carried. Be generous and say each truck can carry 2 of those containers, and then work out how many trucks will be required to move the same number of containers. In the case of just the Cooks River depot, do you really want to funnel many hundreds of trucks a day into what is already a very congested area? Do you really want to see a couple hundred more semis on the Hume/Pacific/Great Western Highways ?

    You say ‘subsidy’ I say ‘investment’ , and when Struth leapt on the $800 million ‘subisdiy’ for ARTC , I can point at the Pacific Highway & the 18 Billion spent on it,

    When there were plans to close many of the grain lines in Western Victoria as a result of being orphaned due to guage standardisation between Adelaide & Melboring, I will never forget Kennett saying they were going to stop ‘subsidising’ rail by 30million, but were going to ‘invest’ 30 million in roads. Many of those lines were subsequently standardised and reopened because the fabric of the roads was destroyed by the trucks that were brought in to handle the grain, and the town of Portland became one big traffic jam.

  155. chrisl says:

    What we really want to know is ; Did farmer Jez get any rain?

  156. feelthebern says:

    Ok JC.
    Gates & his private/vc exposures now dwarf his Microsoft position.

  157. H B Bear says:

    Let’s take a minute and think about those poor (well not so poor) Australian cricketers trapped in India for, what, 14 days.

    OK, you can start laughing now.

  158. calli says:

    The Facebookers allege …

    Chuckle.

    FNQ’s answer to The Bee.

  159. JC says:

    A few years ago Barron’s ran a piece about the senior dude who manages or rather directs most of the Gates money. He sounded very contents in life.

  160. Dot says:

    Hence the piece about Glenrowan (Victoria) Ned Kelly country, locals protesting against works to a bridge planned. Anyway it’s coming.

    No jobs please, we’re bogans!

  161. H B Bear says:

    Bill Gates has been screwing me for about 20 years. At least Melinda will get a cheque.

  162. calli says:

    In the States, they put loaded trucks on trains. Prime movers at each end for source/destination.

  163. lotocoti says:

    Not everyone was onboard for the Myanmar coup.

  164. feelthebern says:

    A few years ago Barron’s ran a piece about the senior dude who manages or rather directs most of the Gates money.

    If it’s the same guy, I remember reading an article about him 20 years ago.
    Had an exhaustive vetting process.

  165. Leigh Lowe says:

    In short (with the self pity, emotional manipulation removed) everyone but truckies are commie free loaders.

    And also bush-poet troubadours singing in pubs.
    For which there is no work because of (list the reasons here in 500 words or fewer).

  166. Farmer Gez says:

    chrisl says:
    May 4, 2021 at 8:08 am
    What we really want to know is ; Did farmer Jez get any rain?

    So glad you asked.
    6mm.
    The mice will have to dry off.

  167. H B Bear says:

    If there are no trucks who will ring Macca on Sunday morning?

  168. Dot says:

    Jesus christ man.

    https://wagga.nsw.gov.au/projects/rifl

    A local government in Australia is at the heart of our new freight system?!

    Riverina Intermodal Freight and Logistics (RiFL) Hub

    We’re working to develop a modern, efficient and strategically located freight hub at Wagga Wagga.

    ——————–

    All I can say is…

    🧐😟😦

    Perhaps not as dumb as an international freight airport at Dubbo.

    🙄😅🤣

  169. Dot says:

    H B Bear says:
    May 4, 2021 at 8:12 am
    Bill Gates has been screwing me for about 20 years. At least Melinda will get a cheque.

    There’s a Yakov Smirnov joke in this somewhere.

  170. sfw says:

    Diogenes, didn’t you read about the ‘just in time’ part? The longer freight takes, the more storage room needed, more expense for the businesses. You’d be amazed at how short a time most warehouses store stock. If you increased freight times from one to two or three days the storage areas would have be be almost double in size, it’s complicated, too complicated for most people to get their heads around. One of the reasons why stuff is so cheap now is the quick turnover times and relatively small storage. All supermarkets work on this principle, otherwise they would need huge storage areas. It’s about costs.

  171. Leigh Lowe says:

    How much more damage is done to a roadway by a 60 tonne truck vs a 2 tonne car?
    Hint.
    The answer is not 60/2 = 30.
    How much tax is the total tax per tonne/kilometre for each of these vehicles?
    Show your workings.

  172. Mater says:

    So glad you asked.
    6mm.
    The mice will have to dry off.

    50mm overnight here, Gez.
    We’re all going to have to dry off.

  173. Shy Ted says:

    duncanm says: May 4, 2021 at 7:56 am
    TailgunneR says: May 4, 2021 at 7:24 am
    https://twitter.com/LawyersCity/status/1388282934570872832?s=19
    Maximum Leader Update!
    so who’s the mysterious ex ALP minister who wrecked his datto?

    Further down the thread it implies/states Adam Somyurek.

  174. Farmer Gez says:

    50mm overnight here, Gez.
    We’re all going to have to dry off.

    I mustn’t have had the prayer mat facing the right direction.

  175. bespoke says:

    For which there is no work because of (list the reasons here in 500 words or fewer).

    People go for the music not the lecture.

    And cover bands are a dime a dozen.

  176. Tom says:

    I don’t believe you, JC. Jeff Bezos is rooting a tranny? I can’t keep up with the American decadence …

  177. Dave in Marybrook says:

    Careful bespoke
    You’ll trigger struth, and get an e-guitar swung at ya

  178. Johanna:

    The late Des Ball, primo defence analyst, always supported the Alice to Darwin railway for exactly that reason. Under Howard, it was built. I doubt that there is much of an economic case for it, so perhaps Des’ views had some influence.

    I haven’t seen any figures to confirm or deny the proposition but I suspect the Alice Springs/Darwin railway has already raised growth up north.
    Hopefully the gauge issue can be sorted out.
    IIRC a nation adjusted the gauge of their railway in 24 hours by a superb piece of organisation – teams were positioned along the tracks, junctions had been manufactured and put nearby, and on the day everyone knew exactly what they had to do.
    Wish I could remember more details.

  179. JC says:

    Does anyone here who doesn’t think the vaxes will work like to place a bet with odds and explain the payout scenario. I’m looking to for a bet in this area.

  180. 132andBush says:

    So glad you asked.
    6mm.
    The mice will have to dry off.

    2.5 here.

  181. Farmer Gez says:

    How much tax is the total tax per tonne/kilometre for each of these vehicles?
    Show your workings.

    You get about 2.5km to a litre out of a truck, if that’s a help.

  182. JC says:

    Tom

    Tell me with a straight face the dude with Bezos was born female. I dare you.

    https://observer.com/2020/02/jeff-bezos-lauren-sanchez-sext-scandal-lawsuit-michael-sanchez/

  183. Mater says:

    Does anyone here who doesn’t think the vaxes will work like to place a bet with odds and explain the payout scenario. I’m looking to for a bet in this area.

    JC,
    They could be the long sought elixir of youth, but the point is that they are not going to facilitate a return to normal, and may actually be the instrument of oppression.

  184. Leigh Lowe says:

    Just over 40mm here between dinnertime and midnight.

  185. Bar Beach Swimmer:

    Thank goodness for that comment Winston

    It’s cool – the cat thing was one of my mum’s favorite sayings. Along with “If you don’t get bloody cunning, there’s not much point in getting old.”

  186. Leigh Lowe says:

    calli says:

    May 4, 2021 at 8:12 am

    In the States, they put loaded trucks on trains. Prime movers at each end for source/destination.

    Get back in the kitchen!
    And take your facts with you!

  187. bespoke says:

    It’ll only be a metaphorical guitar, Dave. Cry bullies always melt when faced with reality.

  188. Dave in Marybrook says:

    Winston
    Sounds like Sweden.
    They switched from left-carriageway roads to yankee-euro right on a quiet Tuesday in ’73, with locals drafted in to paint lines and shift signs, and volunteer traffic wardens at busier intersections for the next week.

  189. feelthebern says:

    Does anyone here who doesn’t think the vaxes will work like to place a bet with odds and explain the payout scenario.

    They will add 2 inches to your penis.
    And I’m talking girth, not length.

    h/t Stifler.

  190. Farmer Gez says:

    Leigh Lowe says:
    May 4, 2021 at 8:35 am
    Just over 40mm here between dinnertime and midnight.

    Keep your measurements to yourselves you boasting bastards.
    I hope the bloody hydrangeas are looking fresh.

  191. Leigh Lowe says:

    How come Bill and Melinda Gates are getting divorced?
    Didn’t they try turning it off, waiting 30 seconds and turning it on again.

  192. sfw says:

    Woolworths have a large DC at Barnawartha near Wodonga, it feeds WW supermarkets in central Vic, the Riverina and Canberra and a few other places. It’s primary freight arrives daily from all around Australia, a fair percentage is perishable. a huge percentage of this freight is repacked into individual loads and despatched again the same day.It literally has hundreds of trucks arrive and leave everyday. There are no rail lines to nearly all the freight destinations or from many of the suppliers. There is a new rail siding nearby but even if 20% of the inbound freight was railed it wouldn’t make much difference on road traffic. This scenario is replicated allover Australia. Rail is only good for bulk loads and little else.

  193. Dave in Marybrook says:

    Never grudge a muso, songwriter or recital, his ambition or calling.
    It’s a hard graft, and a lonely road. Tim knows all about it.

  194. Leigh Lowe says:

    Keep your measurements to yourselves you boasting bastards.

    I suspect most of that 42mm will be in my garage.

  195. H B Bear says:

    Mater – I think at some point “they” will run out of excuses, or rather excuses people will wear (an important distinction). The vaccine will be a significant step along that road. As soon as people believe Covid will not kill them (as was nearly always the case) things cannot remain the same.

  196. Arky says:

    Does anyone here who doesn’t think the vaxes will work like to place a bet with odds and explain the payout scenario.

    ..
    Here’s the payout scenario:
    If in 12 months, over a year after they began rolling the shit out, if for any reason Australians are in any way travel restricted, you pay me $10,000.

  197. Leigh Lowe says:

    And, strangely, the road vs rail debate took a detour in space and time this morning, travelling to visit a cenotaph on 25th April 2020.

  198. H B Bear says:

    Sneakers blinking over lockups is a start.

  199. Struth says:

    If it is against trucks, some people who were reasoned market driven right wingers, become down and out commos in their reasoning.
    Because the trucks ruined your roads around Portland couldn’t be because the roads weren’t built for it in the first place?
    You’re going to need roads anyway, are you not?
    The money never goes to the roads, the roads aren’t built or maintain properly and people die.
    How much should we subsidise rail when what we should be doing is kicking governments butts to do road construction right the first time, and without it costing the unnecessary billions it costs nowadays to do.
    Various farmers lament getting their grain transported by taxpayer funded rail when it folded.
    But the aloof wankers like Frank who know nothing about any of this, would rather a failed socialist transport system than good roads, increasing Australia’s competitiveness, and lives saved.
    Anything but trucks.
    You know, he had an altercation with one once!
    He therefore knows they are all coke heads and should be off the roads and whipped into line with a bit of digital tyranny.
    The sort of bloke who goes to the local council to get the speed limit lowered on mobility scooters because one bumped his leg once in the Woolworth’s car park.

  200. Arky says:

    On a $10 bet, because you are a very confident guy who is sure everything will be fine.

  201. feelthebern says:

    Oh the internet has exploded with Gates memes.

  202. Arky says:

    I’ll take the risk by fronting the $10.

  203. Johanna:

    Make of that what you will, military nerds.

    Yes – it’s damn good news that some equipment is starting to be bought. The Army and its logistics support has been due for some attention for a while.
    I’m not privy to information about war stocks – I notice we may be getting an upgrade to our ability to manufacture missiles under licence, as well as increasing stocks of munitions, so it’s looking brighter on that front.
    Buying equipment now means we won’t have to spend soldiers, buying time in the future.

  204. Tom says:

    You’re right, JC. Unbelievable.

  205. Leigh Lowe says:

    You got me.
    I am a commo.
    And a socialist.
    And a paid up member of the Liberal Party.
    I can’t maintain the charade a minute longer under this brilliant and incisive cross-examination.

  206. Struth says:

    Just over 20% of freight is moved by rail in the US, and 5% of that is piggybacking, which is what Calli Described.
    So SFA.

  207. Tel says:

    MOST BONKERS THEORY EVER Glamorous model Gisele and her husband Tom Brady are ‘transgender Illuminati’ according to one imaginative conspiracy theorist

    No that’s incorrect.

    Modern Monetary Theory is a fraction more bonkers.

  208. JC says:

    Arky

    That bet scenario is not legit.
    Legit means the vaxes actually work. It’s not a bet on what governments will do.

    Try harder

  209. Dot says:

    If I was Bezos, I’d be sending back account pics to best girl.

    I need not remind you who best girl is…😆

  210. Leigh Lowe says:

    Because the trucks ruined your roads around Portland …

    And, the diversionary clues have been swallowed … hook, line and sinker.

  211. Arky says:

    Frankly, at this point most of the damage is already done by pursuing an elimination the. vaccine strategy.
    They’ve scared the shit out of all the old women, reinforced the idea in the kids and chicks that government can and should fix every problem, changed the economy, put in place draconian surveillance state apparatus, stopped Trump and unleashed the CCP.
    There is no going back from much of this.

  212. Struth says:

    How much more damage is done to a roadway by a 60 tonne truck vs a 2 tonne car?

    It’s calculated by axles, you transport ignoramus.
    I know i get under your skin and you’re desperate to get me, but just like your shreiks to get me banned from here, just take a moment and not rush in and keep making a goose of yourself.
    You’ve done it many times and you never seem to learn.

  213. Dot says:

    Enjoy the decline, Arky.

    It’s a hell of a toboggan ride.

  214. Arky says:

    The point JC, is that vaccines, even if they “work” (they won’t work) aren’t going to reverse the totalitarian bullshit unleashed.

  215. feelthebern says:

    Hey, Monday is truck day.
    It’s now Tuesday, ie train day.
    Please adhere to the rules.

  216. Roger says:

    A local government in Australia is at the heart of our new freight system?!

    Build it and they will come?

    Good luck to them, I say.

    Decentralisation is the way to go.

  217. Mater says:

    Mater – I think at some point “they” will run out of excuses, or rather excuses people will wear (an important distinction). The vaccine will be a significant step along that road. As soon as people believe Covid will not kill them (as was nearly always the case) things cannot remain the same.

    I agree entirely. Getting to the stage where people believe Covid will not kill them, is where the slippery slope begins.

    The next chapter in this is the government blaming those who won’t get the vaccine for why freedoms have not returned (hence starting the oppression). Then we move to forced vaccination, with the concurrence of the greater percentage of the population.

    Having set that precedent, the world is their oyster. A little outbreak here, a new strand there, Bob’s your uncle…like a puppet on a string.

    I’ve said it before, once you’ve pierced your principles, everything else is just a matter of scale.

  218. Leigh Lowe says:

    It’s calculated by axles

    Let’s say, ten axles for the truck (you can use more if you like).
    The car has two.
    Now give me the physics calcs.

  219. feelthebern says:

    Breaking news, Melinda Gate is in a relationship with LeBron James.

  220. Leigh Lowe says:

    feelthebern says:

    May 4, 2021 at 8:57 am

    Hey, Monday is truck day.
    It’s now Tuesday, ie train day.

    Where do buses and bicycles fit in?
    And horse drawn carriages?

  221. Dot says:

    Welp.

    Bill shouldn’t have asked her out for a second time.

    He should have had a crack at Christie Brinkley.

    He was the prize.

  222. Dot says:

    Breaking news, Melinda Gate is in a relationship with LeBron James.

    Fuck off, Crazy Steve.

  223. Entropy:

    About $380.
    Yes, Then there is the rego, compliance charges etc etc etc.
    Struth is in the right here. These are all aggressive taxes on production.
    Parasites are killing us.

    Governments are refusing to stop growing. They know there are problems, but won’t take the necessary steps to solve them.
    It’s like the tale of Sinbad and The Old Man of The Sea
    They acknowledge their weight is killing us, that they are an intolerable burden and they would do anything to alleviate our plight – anything except get off our backs.

  224. Tel says:

    How much more damage is done to a roadway by a 60 tonne truck vs a 2 tonne car?

    Depends on the road … we have some well built main roads with reinforced concrete base and a thick surface and those are fine.

    Problem is they allow massive trucks to use the country back roads … when we had that heavy rain a while back there were roads with a thin gravel base and minimal tar … when the ground got soft the trucks ripped those to shreds and then the repair crew simply drops a bucket of tar into each pot hole.

    Those back roads should all have strict weight limits imposed … but councils are putting all their efforts into Global Warming these days and don’t give a toss about transport.

  225. 1735099 says:

    I’ve said it before, once you’ve pierced your principles, everything else is just a matter of scale.

    That’s assuming you actually have principles.
    On this site, they take a back seat to posturing.

  226. 1735099 says:

    I’ve said it before, once you’ve pierced your principles, everything else is just a matter of scale.

    That’s assuming you actually have principles.
    On this site, they take a back seat to posturing.

  227. Mater says:

    I’ll add this:

    If history has taught us anything, it has taught us this. When government is seen as a ‘saviour’, it ends in tears.

  228. Mater says:

    That’s assuming you actually have principles.

    I don’t lie.
    That’s a start, and it puts me miles ahead of you.

  229. feelthebern says:

    How does these trucks of which you speak compare to a train, that I also could afford.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO3ZEgv613k

    h/t Count Homer

  230. Dot says:

    Being a rabid libertarian, I think all literature which isn’t expressly anti libertarian is pro libertarian.

    Take the nerdy (and actually great for a read if you look into the lore)* world of Warhammer.

    Government being out of hand can be allegorically represented by all of the evil armies.

    Orcs, Undead, Chaos, Skaven (Ratmen), Dark Elves.

    Don’t start me on the Grand Alliance BS.

    The Chaos god Nurgle best reminds of government.

    https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nurgle

    *I never realised Tzeench was afraid of the Well of Eternity until recently.

  231. pete m says:

    You got to admire M Gates.

    Spots a sad rich lonely guy, marries him, spruces him up a little, pops out a few kids and gets joy from them, gets him to put most money into a foundation she helps run, got a few good years left so dumps him so she can enjoy some me time without waking up next to ugly old dude.

    Nicely done.

  232. Leigh Lowe says:

    Depends on the road … we have some well built main roads with reinforced concrete base and a thick surface and those are fine.

    Not many highways outside capital cities have a conc base.
    The Geelong road is a good illustration.
    Trucks are banned from the right lane.
    The right lane is in pristine condition.
    The left two showing serious signs of wear and tear, even on bits reconstructed 4-5 years ago.

  233. H B Bear says:

    Yep – will people wear a vaccine scare (or rather a no vaccine scare) like the Covid scare. I have a feeling we are about to find out. Will the Covid vaxx be the next Australia Card, which we now have via MyGov anyway but was just 10 years too soon.

  234. feelthebern says:

    Nurgle.
    How do I serve thee?

  235. Leigh Lowe says:

    How does these trucks of which you speak compare to a train, that I also could afford.

    I am getting an uneasy feeling that you are not taking Truck-Train Wars as seriously as you should.

  236. Struth says:

    Do your own research , moron.
    However let me point out that there are static costs to pay the government without ever turning a wheel.
    So If I register just a single old Kenworth of mine, and it is only single rated, (it can only tow one trailer) and do not get any work, I’m still down near 5 grand for the quarter.
    just rego.
    Rated trucks pay much more, much much more.
    Haven’t filled a tank yet.
    It holds 1500 ltres and everyone of those litres has how much tax per litre.
    Still haven’t ventured onto the road yet, you know, to damage the road you all want there for own use anyway.
    There are many more static costs before a wheel is placed on the bitumen and any work done.
    So calculated that.
    If I’m damaging roads in that truck I shouldn’t be because the roads should have been built to cope with it, and I more than pay for any damage I would do to these poorly built roads.
    In fuel alone, and rego.
    I averaged 650-700 litres a day.
    Remember floggers, the government builds the roads and then decides what weights can be put on them.
    If the trucks are damaging the roads, it’s the government’s fault, purely and simply.

  237. Dot says:

    How do I serve thee?

    I like you already, “son”.

    Tzeench reminds me of the Canberra bubble.

  238. Rex Anger says:

    Rex Anger:
    You will know better than I, the gauge of railways in Australia is a bit of a dogs breakfast. The maps I’ve seen so far are just passenger – not freight. To move war stocks from, say, Townsville means they must go by road for much of the distance or go via S.A. and Alice Springs? Yes?

    Correct, Winston.

    The most direct route to Alice from Townsville would be to road march.

  239. H B Bear says:

    Not many highways outside capital cities have a conc base.

    Over in WA I think it would only be sections of the Kwinana and Mitchell Freeways. I rode my motorbike up parts of the Hume past mobile batching plants and was like “What is going on here?”. Happy to be corrected.

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