What is Greg Hunt thinking?

Overnight the government has banned Australian citizens from entering the country from India. There is talk of imposing $60,000 fines and/or 5 year prison terms for anyone who violates the ban.

This is literally a crime against humanity.

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

No doubt, however, there will be tame judges who crap on about ‘proportionality’ and politicians making ‘no apologies for keeping us safe’ and all that.  I am wondering if the government could round up a jury to convict anyone of the heinous crime of trying to come home.

To provide context for this outrage, Indians who take Australian citizenship have to renounce their Indian citizenship. So we’re not even talking about dual citizens here, these people are Australian citizens being excluded from coming to Australia.

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112 Responses to What is Greg Hunt thinking?

  1. Struth says:

    Anyone who thinks Greg Hunt isn’t one of the main players in this coup d’etat hasn’t been watching.
    He is a globalist of the first order.
    He is one of the main swamp monsters.
    His pathetic acting on being some responsible caring politician, highly capable and working hard, is laughable.
    He is a lacky to the globalists, and in my eyes, a criminal.

  2. Andrew says:

    Australian citizens. Yeah sure they are.

  3. Karabar says:

    Struth at 12:30 PM May 1, 2021

    NAILED IT!

  4. Roger says:

    This is literally a crime against humanity.

    Er….no, Sinc, it’s not.

    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, while generally a very good document, is not law. It’s a declaration.

    Even where it informs international law, the caveat is made that sovereign countries can make laws that contradict certain universal human rights for their own protection and to preserve good order.

    To provide context for this outrage, Indians who take Australian citizenship have to renounce their Indian citizenship.

    That was once the case, but with their growing diaspora has created a special category of Indian citizenship for those who hold certain foreign citizenships, effectively dual citizenship.

  5. Amused says:

    They were told to come home 12 months ago. Time is up. Stay where you fucking are.

  6. Struth says:

    Imprisoning 26 million healthy, innocent people, is a crime against humanity.
    Full stop.

  7. Mak Siccar says:

    I have friends who have been stuck in France since July (yes, I know, it could have been in a much worse-off country), have recently had one needle and hope to have the next one in June. But will they then be able to return to Oz?

  8. Mak Siccar says:

    My friends are born and bred Aussies, BTW.

  9. Roger says:

    a special category of Indian citizenship

    Overseas Citizenship of India.

    Visa free entry, indefinite residency & all civil rights, inc. state housing, except the right to vote.

  10. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Overseas Citizenship of India.

    That is what we call permanent residency.

  11. Roger says:

    That is what we call permanent residency.

    Yes, but with more generous travel facilities.

  12. egg_ says:

    Warmist Hunt supports the Couf.

    News at 11.

  13. Sinclair Davidson says:

    The point remains that these people are Australian citizens and not Indian citizens.

  14. Ozman says:

    Struth says:
    May 1, 2021 at 12:30 pm

    Anyone who thinks Greg Hunt isn’t one of the main players in this coup d’etat hasn’t been watching.
    He is a globalist of the first order.
    He is one of the main swamp monsters.
    His pathetic acting on being some responsible caring politician, highly capable and working hard, is laughable.
    He is a lacky to the globalists, and in my eyes, a criminal.

    Hunt is willing to mandate an experimental mRNA genetic modifier be injected into people, but deny citizens the right of being human.

    NB: Greg Hunt and every grovelling politician.
    You might think that you are part of the elite.
    Those who control the world’s assets don’t give you a second thought.
    You don’t have the right pedigree.
    You are just another pleb.
    Except you are grovelling scum without principles.
    Despised and destined for the sewage farm.

    Maybe you might get lucky, Greg, slip on a stair and only smash your ribs and fracture a few vertebrae in your back. Nothing like coming back to reality.

  15. Ed Case says:

    Looks like the cricketers might have got a heads up.
    Creates a real problem for Indian/Australians with business interests here, tho if the Hawala Banking System hasn’t been closed down by the Feds, not a complete financial disaster.

  16. Simple Simon says:

    Struth says:
    May 1, 2021 at 12:30 pm

    Anyone who thinks Greg Hunt isn’t one of the main players in this coup d’etat hasn’t been watching.
    He is a globalist of the first order….

    He is a lack[e]y to the globalists

    From his biography at both https://www.greghunt.com.au/about-greg/biography/ and https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-greg-hunt-mp/minister-hunts-biography

    Greg’s achievements include being named a Global Leader for Tomorrow by the World Economic Forum….

    In 2016 he was selected as the inaugural Best Minister in the World recipient at the World Government Summit.

  17. Primer says:

    Hyphenated Australians have to wait in the country that at their core they call home?
    You are going to have to find someone who cares outside a libertarian coffee club.

  18. Xenophon says:

    Clearly the quad has limitations.

  19. Neil says:

    Anyone who thinks Greg Hunt isn’t one of the main players in this coup d’etat hasn’t been watching.
    He is a globalist of the first order.

    I tend to agree with that.

    But what has that got to do with stopping people coming to Australia?? Globalists generally want open borders

  20. egg_ says:

    Hyphenated Australians have to wait in the country that at their core they call home?

    Hunt practises Critical Race Theory.

  21. Simple Simon says:

    We used to criticise the Soviet Union and its satellites for not allowing their citizens freely to leave or return to their countries, and were right to do so.

    Australia has similarly attacked its citizens’ fundamental human rights since March 2020 but even at Catallaxy criticism has been muted until now, when the criticism is presented as an attack on a visible ethnic minority, namely Indians.

    See how far Leftists have colonised the minds of even Sinclair. A problem is a problem to be remarked upon not when it affects Australians generally but when it affects an ethnic minority, especially one with a different skin colour.

    You cannot win if you fight only within the terms dictated by your opponents.

  22. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    These measures are temporary ,why would vou let people come here from a country in the middle of a huge epidemic to spread the chinese virus amongst a covid free populace ? This is simply a wise medical decision that any doctor woukd approve of without question . The thing is the only way we are eer going to get another spike in infection is to import the chinese virus from overseas . Its like closing your house to infected people ,simple . The decision can be reviewd when we have completed the vaccination programme and isolated the anti vaccers as lepers , the question is do the unvaccinated have to carry clappers to indicate their unclean condition .

  23. They were told to come home 12 months ago. Time is up. Stay where you fucking are.

    There’s been quite a deal of shuttling back & forth.
    It would be quite revealing to report how many of those ‘Australians’ stuck in India;
    1) entered India from Australia since January 2021.
    2) are not Australian citizens, but Indian citizens with Australian permanent residency.

  24. Botswana O'Hooligan says:

    Yairs Primer, but how would it feel if it was one of “us” mate. Arthur “Cocky” Caldwell was right all those years ago. It’s too late for that now, but where are our human rights lawyers when we need them?

  25. Struth says:

    But what has that got to do with stopping people coming to Australia?? Globalists generally want open borders

    No, they want no borders.
    Big difference.
    Work out who is going to be in charge when sovereign nations no longer exist, and you’ll work out you won’t be going anywhere.

  26. Suburban Boy says:

    Salvatore, it looks like around half of the persons in India insisting on returning to Australia travelled to India in 2021.

    They left Australia at least nine months after the travel “ban” was implemented and all Australians overseas told to return home.

    This quote is from today’s Oz:

    West Australian Premier Mark McGowan revealed on Friday he had been advised that 4500 Australians had travelled to India “for various reasons” in the first three months of this year. There are about 9000 stranded Australians in India wanting to come home, 650 of whom are considered vulnerable.

    Must have been an awful lot of weddings and other “dire emergencies” going on back home.

  27. Struth says:

    It is absolutely no business of the government to require reasons for travel.
    To give permission or not to travel.
    Pure tyranny.

  28. RobK says:

    Never mind about all that; Sneakers has kept the iron ore flowing. Keeping the coffers eternally full- While the going is good. They will soil themselves if the mines close.
    The quarantining process has been a debacle. It needs to be the centre piece of our efforts and done far better. It’s not rocket science. The cockups with dud ventilation and undisciplined staff are a disgrace. Very incompetent behaviour by the authorities.

  29. egg_ says:

    It is absolutely no business of the government to require reasons for travel.

    Didn’t Prince Phillip have to fill out a form as to whether he had committed a crime, upon entering Australia?

    To which he quipped “I thought that was a condition of entry?”.

  30. thefrollickingmole says:

    The problem is we are at the stage ( as the joke goes) “ we’ve established what you are now we are just negotiating the price”

    We copped internal borders, lockdowns, destruction of peoples businesses and lives, education disruption, empowered Karen’s, caused massive misery in mental health and cancelled medical procedures.
    Sorry not copped it. Actively rewarded the governments who have inflicted it.

    We are “ good Germans” to a man.
    Bricking out Indian/Australians is just more bastardry and security theatre.

    They don’t have an out until 90% of Austfaliureans have a vaccination, that means operation hair of fire/ terror must continue ramping up.

  31. Infidel Tiger King says:

    An Australian passport is now worth less than an Australian tertiary degree.

  32. Richard says:

    This government is no longer legitimate and it is our moral duty to assist other Australians and to reject these unconstitutional edicts.

    Their edicts are getting more and more extreme and radical by the day.

  33. Candy says:

    I agree with Sinclair.

    If the government grants citizenship to an individual they have same rights as you and me born here. Otherwise why grant them citizenship?

    It’s the LNP brand of dog whistling. Not a good look. You don’t want to get pulled into that. Stopping the boats and controlled immigration is one thing after that citizens are equal.

  34. Neil says:

    If the government grants citizenship to an individual they have same rights as you and me born here. Otherwise why grant them citizenship?

    Just say Covid breaks out in Britain and 20,000 infected aussies want to come home. What should the govt do??

  35. MPH says:

    Sinclair Davidson says:

    May 1, 2021 at 1:01 pm

    The point remains that these people are Australian citizens and not Indian citizens.

    There’s a vast difference between making a rule and people complying with the rule (look how many people got on planes despite in theory needing a negative COVID test prior to departure).

  36. thefrollickingmole says:

    If the government grants citizenship to an individual they have same rights as you and me born here.

    This.

    Boy stacking the chips all in on population growth via dodgy uni degrees was such a great idea wasnt it?

  37. Paul says:

    Left wing elite upper class bureaucrats, the so called experts are running this charade.
    They need to be sacked

  38. Diogenes says:

    They were told to come home 12 months ago. Time is up. Stay where you fucking are.

    If they left in the last 12 months I might agree.
    For those OS when this whole nonsense started, unless they have developed the ability to walk on water, how do propose they should have done so, given that over 12 months ago, airlines stopped outbound flights due to lack of passengers, with the attendant knock-on effect on inbound flights which were also canceled. The few remaining flights were booked out with massive standby lists. Then govts artificially limited the number of returnees that could be hotel quarantined. A colleague’s son has been trying to get home from the US since March last year. He even managed to book seats on flights and was on 4 occassions able to get a slot in a quarantine hotel. Sadly all of those flights were cancelled, and it looks like he will get home sometime next month on a government charter.

  39. Roger W says:

    My daughter, born and bred in Queensland, has been stuck in London for more than a year now. She first purchased her ticket in January 2020, before any talk of limits, but the flight was for April. She has had several flights confirmed, then cancelled by the airline, due to Australian Government restrictions. All her flights have been economy. Are we now ranking the right of citizens to return based on their wealth?
    She is luckily with friends and in a relatively good situation but the fact remains that she is an Australian citizen who still cannot return home. Yet politicians, sports players and their entourage, film stars, wealthy businesspeople can come and go as they please.
    This is no longer the Australia I grew up in.

  40. pbw says:

    Simple Simon says,

    Greg’s achievements include being named a Global Leader for Tomorrow by the World Economic Forum….

    It’s better than that, Simon.
    From Hon Greg Hunt MP

    Engagement Manager at McKinsey and Co. from 1999 to 2001.
    Director of Strategy at the World Economic Forum, Geneva from 2000 to 2001.

    Simultaneously. This boy is connected.

    One other thing, from Greg’s personal biography page.

    Throughout university and his time on a kibbutz in Israel he worked in warehouses, as a metal worker and as a fruit picker.

    So, was he a student socialist, or is there another connection, or both?

  41. pbw says:

    Simple Simon says,

    Greg’s achievements include being named a Global Leader for Tomorrow by the World Economic Forum….

    It’s better than that, Simon.
    From Hon Greg Hunt MP

    Engagement Manager at McKinsey and Co. from 1999 to 2001.
    Director of Strategy at the World Economic Forum, Geneva from 2000 to 2001.

    Simultaneously. This boy is connected.

    One other thing, from Greg’s personal biography page.

    Throughout university and his time on a kibbutz in I….l he worked in warehouses, as a metal worker and as a fruit picker.

    So, was he a student socialist, or is there another connection, or both?

  42. Rockdoctor says:

    Yet politicians, sports players and their entourage, film stars, wealthy businesspeople can come and go as they please.

    Worse still they get exemptions from formal quarantine to self quarantine at their own honesty. I think FTB belled the cat at New Year what a farce that was on the northern beaches of Sydney…

  43. min says:

    Going to the opera on Tuesday to see Aida sung by an American soprano and Ramadese by an Italian tenor, both I bet , glad to be in a country virtually free of Covid 19 and able to perform . Seems it depends what you can do that gets you into Australia.

  44. This is the sort of thing that does not pass the pub test:
    Stories such as this (of Roger W) abound:

    For those OS when this whole nonsense started, unless they have developed the ability to walk on water, how do propose they should have done so, given that over 12 months ago, airlines stopped outbound flights due to lack of passengers, with the attendant knock-on effect on inbound flights which were also canceled. The few remaining flights were booked out with massive standby lists. Then govts artificially limited the number of returnees that could be hotel quarantined. A colleague’s son has been trying to get home from the US since March last year. He even managed to book seats on flights and was on 4 occassions able to get a slot in a quarantine hotel. Sadly all of those flights were cancelled, and it looks like he will get home sometime next month on a government charter.

    Yet in my hick country town, several people, who hold Indian citizenship – not Australian – have been on one, or more than one, return visit to India within the past ten months.

    The husband (an Indian national) of one of my co-workers (also an Indian national) flew back into town a couple of weeks ago, from his second extended visit back to India since August.

    He & she both, are quite indignant – in that inimitable manner Indians are – at the ‘problems’ he has returning to Australia (has to take a 3 or 4 leg set of ‘hops’ to get back here)
    She’s advised him to settle down for a while & to not go back again until later this year.

  45. Albatross says:

    Where have you been this last year?

  46. Shy Ted says:

    India has reported more than 300,000 new cases daily for nine days in a row
    How does any system, let alone a relatively poor one, access and process so many tests? Dodgy on dodgy on dodgy. GHunt is yet another pollie who won’t be able to walk the Australian streets again.

  47. Judith Sloan says:

    I think you’ll find many are also Indian citizens. This is not black and white.

    There were many Lebanon-born Australian citizens living permanently in Lebanon when civil war broke out. They demanded they be repatriated on our dime and wanted the Frequent Flyer points. Hmmm.

    You would have to have had a good reason to travel to a India this year.

  48. Neil says:

    Just to play devils advocate lets us say we bring aussies home from overseas, Covid breaks out because some of these people are infected and transfer that infection and several hundred people die.

    Would not that scenario rest on a Politicians conscience??????

    I would not like to be a Politician in charge at the moment

  49. Tim Neilson says:

    Just say Covid breaks out in Britain and 20,000 infected aussies want to come home. What should the govt do??

    Is anyone suggesting that Greggo’s ban applies only to “infected” people? If so, I don’t see why anyone’s complaining, unless they think that there shouldn’t be quarantine on returned travellers.

  50. Tim Neilson says:

    Just to play devils advocate lets us say we bring aussies home from overseas, Covid breaks out because some of these people are infected and transfer that infection and several hundred people die.

    I don’t think anyone is suggesting that we waive quarantine.

  51. Tel says:

    Hunt is willing to mandate an experimental mRNA genetic modifier be injected into people, but deny citizens the right of being human.

    Well … at least he’s consistent.

  52. Squirrel says:

    Fortress Australia might turn out to be a winning strategy for the next federal election, but with a “services” economy so dependent on relatively open borders, there will need to be a very good Plan B for what happens after said election.

    Signs from the US are that getting about half the population vaccinated (even when you’re not so reliant on a vaccine associated with potentially fatal blood clots) is fairly easy, but after that it gets much harder – so the charmingly termed “herd immunity” may be very elusive in Straya, and many of the “herd” will have gotten far too used to being “locked down” and paid to stay at home every time a couple of cases are detected.

    You reap what you sow.

  53. Mick Gold Coast QLD says:

    Judith Sloan says at 5:28 pm:

    “I think you’ll find many are also Indian citizens. This is not black and white.

    There were many Lebanon-born Australian citizens living permanently in Lebanon when civil war broke out. They demanded they be repatriated on our dime and wanted the Frequent Flyer points. …”

    Bugger me – the Lebanese civil war comparison occurred to me at midday or so, when I first saw this thread.

    “many are also Indian citizens”
    says Judith. Likely 90%.

    I didn’t bother commenting because if you could not see the dodge in this contrived astonishment days ago you never will. Our betters signed up to “diversity is our strength” years ago. This where it leads to.

    We witnessed Chinese based diversity a year or so ago, revolving about poor students eager to resume their earnest Australian university studies (slotting neatly into a few hours here and there outside there income earning illegal work shifts) – local representative lobby groups, letters to ministers, phone ins to senior bureaucrats, carefully placed media campaigns.

    Posters here are focused on Greg Hunt – how stupidly myopic.

    The diverse mob in the news this week is masterful in using indignation as effective leverage and our politicians from whatever club are too stupid to see and reject the obvious. All you’ve got to do is raise your voices and all squeal at once, whichever bureaucrat or politician is there to hear it will fold like a cheap suit.

  54. thefrollickingmole says:

    Look at this.
    Its pravda level shit.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-01/qld-covid19-check-in-app-mandatory-contact-tracing-restrictions/100107852
    Older Queenslanders have welcomed the streamlining of COVID-19 contact tracing efforts as the state’s Check In Qld app becomes officially mandatory in hospitality businesses.

    From today, any cafe, restaurant or pub could face penalties of up to six months in prison if they aren’t using the state government’s Check In Qld smartphone app to register patrons upon arrival.
    ….
    “If businesses don’t comply with the direction, there’s a penalty of up to 100 penalty units or up to six months’ imprisonment,” it said.

    The penalty unit value in Queensland is $133.45
    133.45 x 100 is $13345.
    Nice little earner for the blockwarts and snitches.

  55. Boxcar says:

    Scomo is acquiring 40 millions vaccines.
    I feel relatively safe here in Australia, so I am willing to donate my vaccine to any one of the tens of thousands of fellow citizens being denied their fundamental rights as citizens.
    How many of these people have died while they are waiting to come home?
    How many of them are immune?
    Who cares?
    Give them the jab, put them on a plane, put them in 14 days of solitary, and for god’s sake, get over it, all of it.
    I’m just sick up and fed of the cowards, even on this forum, willing to sacrifice other peoples lives because of their irrational fears, and irrational belief in politicians.

  56. Ozman says:

    From video I have seen, in India, people are stoning those giving the vaccinations, because vaccinated people are dying from having received the experimental doses.

    If only Hunt would be more consistent as Minister for Health and mandate that everyone be fully informed that these injections are experimental and AstraZeneca’s not-so-safe jab–known to damage the spinal cord and cause blood clots in recipients– contains among other things, monkey cells, human fetal tissue and genetically modified organisms. https://www.tga.gov.au/sites/default/files/auspar-chadox1-s-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-210215-pi.pdf

    The covid scam is nothing less than a scam.

  57. Crossie says:

    Amused says:
    May 1, 2021 at 12:38 pm
    They were told to come home 12 months ago. Time is up. Stay where you fucking are.

    Precisely. They gambled, they lost.

  58. Crossie says:

    Infidel Tiger King says:
    May 1, 2021 at 2:33 pm
    An Australian passport is now worth less than an Australian tertiary degree.

    From what I understand two degrees get you a permanent residency. Cheaper than the old economic migration.

  59. BorisG says:

    even at Catallaxy criticism has been muted until now, when the criticism is presented as an attack on a visible ethnic minority, namely Indians.

    No, the trigger here is criminal penalties not ethnicity.

  60. BorisG says:

    I would not like to be a Politician in charge at the moment

    Last time I checked, politicians still have the right to resign, don’t they?

  61. BorisG says:

    All you’ve got to do is raise your voices and all squeal at once, whichever bureaucrat or politician is there to hear it will fold like a cheap suit.

    Go for it!

  62. BorisG says:

    I have a solution. Bring home every Australian citizen (not permanent residents) who left before March 2020.

  63. Bushkid says:

    Roger W says:
    May 1, 2021 at 3:43 pm
    ….
    Yet politicians, sports players and their entourage, film stars, wealthy businesspeople can come and go as they please.
    This is no longer the Australia I grew up in.

    This. It’s exactly what the intended end game is: that the “important” people, the nomenklatura, the “elite” can and will do what they choose when they choose, but we “little people” will be limited, restricted, excluded, controlled, caged, apportioned out as economic units and forever ignored as human beings.

    It’s no longer the Australia any of us grew up in.

  64. Fat Tony says:

    Anyone know what these doses of “vaccine” actually cost us taxpayers?

  65. sfw says:

    How many hold dual (or more) citizenship? If you are in another country and you’re a citizen of that country, stay there, fk off. Australia shouldn’t recognise dual citizenship. If you want to be an Aussie you must renounce any other citizenship.

  66. candy says:

    No, the trigger here is criminal penalties not ethnicity.

    Boris, I think there’s a bit of dog whistling going on here. It’s pretty clear. However, all countries are probably doing the same. COVID is a gift to staying in power and being able to do anything to keep people “safe”. Not recognising Australian citizens of different ethnicity being one of them.
    A big issue is that there are no proper Federal government operated quarantine facilities catering for this scenario. It is all state operated, hotel stuff in cities. There must be a better way.

  67. egg_ says:

    BorisG says:
    May 1, 2021 at 8:29 pm
    I have a solution. Bring home every Australian citizen (not permanent residents) who left before March 2020.

    Can we throw you out, Comrade?

  68. Mick Gold Coast QLD says:

    BorisG says at 8:26 pm:

    ” All you’ve got to do is raise your voices and all squeal at once, whichever bureaucrat or politician is there to hear it will fold like a cheap suit.

    Go for it!“”

    Read it again – they did and it is working. You are stupid, stupid, stupid.

  69. Viva says:

    Appears this highly infectious Indian variant attacks younger people. Younger Australians here have to wait until October at the earliest for the Phizer vaccine needed for the under 50s. The goevernment may be taking this into consideration

  70. egg_ says:

    “Anyone know what these doses of “vaccine” actually cost us taxpayers?”

    A string of revelations about vaccine prices has focused attention on a practice considered normal in the drug industry but often frowned on elsewhere: charging different prices to different customers for the same product.

    South Africa’s government found itself on the defensive this week after a senior health official revealed that 1.5 million doses of the Oxford and AstraZeneca vaccine just purchased for use among health workers would cost $5.25 (£3.84; €4.32) a dose, more than twice what the European Union is paying at $2.15.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n281

  71. Viva says:

    Pfizer

  72. Fat Tony says:

    egg_ says:
    May 1, 2021 at 8:52 pm

    Thanks egg – back in the late 1970s in Toowoomba, I knew a guy with the nickname of ëgg” – wouldn’t be you by any chance??

  73. egg_ says:

    Nein.

  74. Tim Neilson says:

    Thanks egg – back in the late 1970s in Toowoomba, I knew a guy with the nickname of ëgg” – wouldn’t be you by any chance??

    Did you also meet an exceedingly boring ex-Vietnam conscript rapidly forging a career as a world-class wrongologist?

  75. Fat Tony says:

    Tim Neilson says:
    May 1, 2021 at 9:07 pm

    The fuckwit’s still alive, isn’t he? So, obviously not.

  76. Rayvic says:

    It is pure totalitarianism.

  77. Whalehunt Fun says:

    Garbage. No one is stopping these disease vector Australians-of-convenience coming to Australia. They just can’t come by air. The can bloody walk for all I care. No one has the right to travel by air to Australia. Air travel is not specified in any of the UN BS. They went there. They can suck it up.

  78. A reader says:

    Can’t believe how many bed wetting totalitarians are inhabiting the cat lately

  79. Struth says:

    Appears this highly infectious Indian variant attacks younger people.

    It only appears that way if you are a gullible twat that believes the MSM.

  80. The Beer whisperer says:

    Absolutist claims are rightly subject to argumentum ad absurdum, for if any exception exists, no matter how ridiculous it is, the absolute claim fails.

    Just because we’re fighting mask, lockdown and vaccine absolutists doesn’t mean we have to be opposite absolutists.

    Hunt has overstepped, but everyone’s rights stop at the point where it overrides another’s. This is why freedom of movement doesn’t include breaking into other people’s houses, coughing your disease through a nursing home or any other absurdity.

  81. Struth says:

    Hunt is a bullshit artist who is a global socialist hack, doing exactly what the WEF, the UN and the other united , unelected globalist filth require.
    He is a traitor, and a criminal and people have died, not only from the vaccine, but from the effects of his medical totalitarian terrorism.
    The destroyed lives due to his unconstitutional behaviour mean justice must be done or else this never stops.
    These people must be punished.
    The point we make here is that he has flown under the radar with his pithy little act when he, in fact, is one of the main players.
    One of the main criminals, no less than Dan or Sco Mo, and in fact more hands on with the roll out of the communist great reset than many.

  82. John Bayley says:

    I’m just sick up and fed of the cowards, even on this forum, willing to sacrifice other peoples lives because of their irrational fears, and irrational belief in politicians.

    You and me both, mate.
    I have nothing but utmost contempt for those f*ckwits who frequent a supposedly ‘libertarian’ blog, yet are still cowering in fear over a disease with mortality rates well below the seasonal flu, unless you are an fat arse with high blood pressure and diabetes – and in fact cheer the government thugs on to ‘please continue the anal rape of the population’.
    As long as they can feel ‘safe’.
    Go get your gene therapy and hide under the bed with three masks on, you
    pathetic creatures…!

  83. stackja says:

    Why are Australians in India?
    Why do they want to leave now? Why did they not leave earlier?

  84. Professor FredLenin says:

    Come on guys, they are not admitting people coming from a country with 300,00 cases a day ? And that number is grossly under reported .
    That seems resonable to me ,its a temporary measure and will stop if and when things settle down .
    We are fortunate to live in a country where entry can be restricted easily , unlike many countries . These people have to fly in a confined space with recirculated air for many hours , ,one infected passenger and they are all suspect as infected .
    We live in a country where the only way the chinese virus can start again is by importing it from overseas .
    Never mind the libertarian stuff this is a Health issue not a Theoretical dogma thing
    You dont send your kid to school if they have an infectious condition , to avoid infecting other kids , its common sense ,good on you Greg Hunt showing a bit of
    sense .

  85. Struth says:

    professor Fred Lenin
    That’s not the old Fred talking there.
    Someone else using his name here, maybe his wife.
    Fred would have seen straight through this scam and he wrote differently.

  86. candy says:

    Hunt has overstepped, but everyone’s rights stop at the point where it overrides another’s.

    I did not know there was a pecking order of rights. Who judges these things?

  87. Professor FredLenin says:

    No Struth it is me , unelected leader of the Lenin family .
    On this issue I am following the advice )of my first cousin,who is a professor of renal transplant surgery and is very familiar with immune system problems
    My cousin was a subject in the astrazeneca trials and is tested weekly .
    As she said if everyone has the vaccination we can begin the new normality as it will lessen the effect .
    Who would want to emulate Andrews corrupt mob and cause hundreds of deaths ,?No one wants to wear that accusation ,it would be better to fall down stairs and end up in hospital , thats one way out of the crap

  88. Fat Tony says:

    Struth says:
    May 2, 2021 at 10:48 am
    professor Fred Lenin
    That’s not the old Fred talking there.
    Someone else using his name here, maybe his wife.
    Fred would have seen straight through this scam and he wrote differently.

    I agree totally – was thinking the same thing as I read the post & then saw your comment below.

    It is not what the good Professor would write and there is not one spelling error.

    Definitely an imposter.

  89. Professor FredLenin says:

    Im like St Paul on the road to Damascus,fair bugger it is .

  90. Fat Tony says:

    Professor FredLenin says:
    May 2, 2021 at 12:25 pm
    Im like St Paul on the road to Damascus,fair bugger it is .

    More like St Paul getting hit a second time and becoming Saul again

  91. old bloke says:

    If the government grants citizenship to an individual they have same rights as you and me born here.

    We do have the same “rights”, the right not to travel overseas, the right to stay within my own state when the borders are closed, the right to wear a muzzle when I go to the shops, the right to not attend church services, the right to obey dictatorial curfew rules.

    These are our “rights”.

  92. egg_ says:

    f*ckwits who frequent a supposedly ‘libertarian’ blog

    Quote of the fred!

    bed wetting totalitarians

    That’s them!

  93. Viva says:

    Struth opines re my post suggesting younger people are being attacked by variant in the second wave in India:

    It only appears that way if you are a gullible twat that believes the MSM.

    I refer him to the following people who might know what they are talking about.

    Data show that 48 per cent of Covid-19 positive patients in Mumbai between January and March were below the age of 40, and 65 per cent of newly hospitalised patients in Delhi are under the age of 45, according to the Chief Minister of Delhi, Arvind Kejriwal. In the city of Bengaluru, under 40s made up 58 per cent of infections in early April, compared to 46 per cent at the same time last year, according to figures from Covid19India.org.

    “We are seeing relatively younger patients in the ICUs than during the previous surge, roughly double the numbers. And in the general wards we are seeing a third to 40 per cent under the age of 45,” said Dr Sumit Ray, the Medical Superintendent at Holy Family Hospital in New Delhi.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/mystery-shrouds-growth-covid-cases-young-people/

  94. Fat Tony says:

    Viva says:
    May 2, 2021 at 1:17 pm

    Maybe you shoulda read to the end of your link:

    But Julian Tang, associate professor of biology at the University of Leicester, believes that the greater numbers of young people affected are simply down to them being out and about.

    “Young people transmit more commonly and they do have higher contact frequency, resulting in more cases now than among the elderly – and that may be why we are seeing a higher number, but not necessarily a higher proportion, in hospitals,” he says.

  95. Viva says:

    Fat Tony:

    Perhaps you should re-read the headline of the article:

    Mystery shrouds growth in Covid cases in young people

    there is much about this virus and its transmission we still don’t know – in the meantime the data that is available re infections among younger people especially in india does constitute a red flag.

  96. John Bayley says:

    Viva, India’s ConVid deaths are among the lowest in the world.
    Look here – this is the ‘official data.

    You will see that they are at 155 per million, while lock down luminaries like the Czech Republic are at 2,733 and Belgium, the home of the EU, is at 2,086.

    Please, people: Wake up.
    It is a scam.

    By all means, get ‘vaccinated’, if you think it will save you.
    But know that 96% of all vaccine associated deaths from 2020 to today are from the Covid-19 shots and those only cover four months’ time out of 16 months total.

    This is via the CDC.
    In other words, wake up, sheeple.

  97. Fat Tony says:

    Viva says:
    May 2, 2021 at 1:43 pm
    Fat Tony:

    Perhaps you should re-read the headline of the article:

    Mystery shrouds growth in Covid cases in young people

    Wow!! A headline – forgive me Father for I have sinned….

    Fuck off with your bullshit headlines

  98. John Bayley says:

    Here’s the link for the above in case someone actually bothers to educate themselves.

  99. Viva says:

    Fuck off with your bullshit headlines

    this used to a place where you could have a good back and forth now it quickly descends into abuse

    the twitterverse has come to the cat i guess

    that’s the virus we should really be worried about …

  100. Struth says:

    Viva, you are imprisoned in Australia and know nothing of what is happening in India.
    Neither do I, as I am imprisoned here as well.

    What we do know is that for years Hindus have been burning their dead in the open by the Ganges.
    If that is being reported as an effect of covid, then it is all lies.
    And that’s a fact we do know.
    You then don’t trust that news source for anything.
    And that’s the MSM.
    So that being the case, get some cynicism about yourself and trust no one.
    Medicine has been thoroughly marched through by the left as has all institutions.
    So maybe you should think twice before claiming “these guys might know what they are talking about”

  101. Fat Tony says:

    Viva says:
    May 2, 2021 at 2:08 pm
    Fuck off with your bullshit headlines

    this used to a place where you could have a good back and forth now it quickly descends into abuse
    the twitterverse has come to the cat i guess
    that’s the virus we should really be worried about …

    Maybe you should read what you link to….
    Someone who doesn’t is an idiot.

    Struth has been correct about all this from the start – that’s what we should really be worried about….

  102. Viva, you are imprisoned in Australia and know nothing of what is happening in India.
    Neither do I, as I am imprisoned here as well.

    Not everyone is imprisoned.
    Those people ‘trapped’ in India managed to find their way over there within the past several months.

  103. Struth says:

    Struth has been correct about all this from the start – that’s what we should really be worried about…

    And about me in the real world here, their bottom lips are starting to drop, as they too realise the bleeding obvious, but hate me for saying so.
    The hate me for being right.
    However I hate them more for not getting it from the start, and not fighting against it.
    Mrs Struth did not put a mask on during the last bit of commo theatre forced on Queensland and she has more guts than most of the men around here.
    And it was hard for her, and I was away working.
    I have not had a covid test, not worn a mask, not locked myself in my own house and not having the jab.
    It is past the stage of inaction.
    We can no longer wait for people who delude themselves with lies to keep from admitting the awful truth.

  104. Struth says:

    Not everyone is imprisoned.
    Those people ‘trapped’ in India managed to find their way over there within the past several months.

    Yes you are correct.
    Australians with no overseas rellies and no approved reason to travel are being held hostage by commos.
    Imet a young Estonian couple north of Perth a few weeks ago, who wanted to go home as she had become pregnant.
    They said it was hard for them to get permission.
    They eventually got it, but it was no simple process.
    Criminal government.

  105. Struth says:

    Yep that’s not Fred Lenin….no way.

  106. egg_ says:

    there is much about this virus and its transmission we still don’t know – in the meantime the data that is available re infections among younger people especially in india does constitute a red flag.

    The virus was predicted to become more infectious but less fatal over a year ago, as happens with most virus strains.
    What is the mortality rate of youth with COVID?
    Apparently very low, regardless of the infection rate (Diamond Princess petri dish).

    Over a year later and still with the ignorant fearmongering.

  107. candy says:

    Struth is right to be a bit suspicious.

    I remember in the very early days of corona the main media showed pictures of mass graves being dug somewhere in New York for corona victims because the cemeteries/crematoriums I suppose had run out of space. It was freaky for a bit thinking is this really happening. It wasn’t happening because the graves were on Hart Island a cemetery for 150 years for the poor, unknown deceased and still is. Completely misleading news by MSM.

    Perhaps it’s wise to be a little suspicious of the severity of things in India. All the pictures of burning bodies and so on. It may be true but how does one know anymore?

  108. Bad Samaritan says:

    Candy. Usually, about 25-30,000 people die each day in India. Hindus try to have the cremations within 24 hrs of death.

    What the extra CV deaths (maybe an increase of 1500 per day: 5%?) does to standard cremation rates can hardly be sensationally disruptive. Nor more “rushed” than they already were.

    You and Struth are therefore correct to be suspicious about the whole charade being a massive MSM mis- and dis-information campaign.

  109. Publius says:

    the cult of safetyism certainly seems to have a huge following on the cat.
    rather interesting development.

  110. Rabbi Putin says:

    This thread has a lot of commentators talking pointless irrelevant bs and maybe one that I saw (Mick from QLD) identify the real issue.

    Indians are not Australians. We all know they only acquired citizenship because an alliance of leftwing activists, bureaucrats and unis wanted to troll the right whenever the right tried to claim they weren’t really racists, and they found willing conspirators in the bankers and real-estate moguls who had dollar signs in their eyes.

    I don’t care if it’s a violation of their citizenship rights and I don’t care if they never come back because they should never have been given citizenship in the first place. We are only arguing semantics about citizens’ rights vs health because the globalists beat us through emotional blackmail and trickery. Thus Australian Citizenship is worth as much as our fiat money, which is Plastic Monopoly money.

    Australia is a society built on the European civilisational inheritance and our central task is to preserve that. The Indians suffer from decades of poor family-planning and civic neglect. It’s sad but it shouldn’t be our burden too.

  111. Roger says:

    Tha rationale for Hunt’s thinking appears to be that on the basis of the rate of infection of returnees from India and the numbers seeking to return urgently our quarantine system would be unable to handle the numbers if no limitation of flights was imposed. The solution may seem heavy handed but Federal governments are duty bound to consider these things.

  112. Speedbox says:

    Conclusive proof, if any were needed, that Australia’s acceptance of assorted Declarations in the UN are paper tigers. The Declarations are not ratified into Australian law so they are of nil effect. No more than a façade. A fraud so the majority can sleep well thinking that we (Australia) hold the moral high ground over those pesky lesser countries.

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