Mates’ Gates

HIS ban only applies to mugs in steerage: “Professor Kelly also laid out a number of exemptions to the travel ban, including for diplomats and their families…” As captain of RMS Carpathia, Dr Kelly would have steamed through the icy carnage in 1912 – entering “safety first” in the log.

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32 Responses to Mates’ Gates

  1. caveman says:

    Diplomatic immunity. Why could they just not make every Australian a diplomat, problem solved.

  2. Roger says:

    “Professor Kelly also laid out a number of exemptions to the travel ban, including for diplomats and their families…”

    Presumably because they would also have been granted exemptions to enable them to home quarantine (along with Bollywood stars and cricketers, I suppose) rather than go to Howard Springs. Given that the stated rationale for the decision was to preserve the integrity of our quarantine system in light of high rates of infection among those entering from India I suppose it is technically justifiable. But still not a good look. Just what you might expect under the new feudalism, which is shaping up to be the same as the old feudalism.

  3. Roger says:

    Presumably because they would also have been granted exemptions to enable them to home quarantine

    Or would have been accomodated in a third country while quarantining.

    If only we had journalists who asked these questions.

  4. Robber Baron says:

    Morrison accepted his advice.

  5. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    All it would take is for the states to provide more quarantine spaces.

    Instead the Labor states have been hand-balling it, and the costs associated with it, to NSW.

  6. Mark M says:

    Why are the Australians who have been vaccinated and still wear a mask or two afraid of people returning from India?

    Perhaps we need to be afraid of vaccinated people carrying the Wuh flu.

  7. Entropy says:

    Yes an extremely bad look. Everyone should be treated exactly the same. No special treatment for our lords and masters.

    Which reminds me, just how do you tug the forelock? Can you get lessons?

  8. Damon says:

    Again raises the question: who is actually running the country?

  9. Roger says:

    All it would take is for the states to provide more quarantine spaces.

    Instead the Labor states have been hand-balling it, and the costs associated with it, to NSW.

    The PM should have realised that the Labor states would politicise this.* In response, he’s belatedly moved to shift physical quarantine to Commonwealth facilities. Therein lies the problem. They only have limited capacity and can’t accomodate all those wanting to return immediately.

    *Pace several of our resident and vociferous constitutional scholars here, the constitution doesn’t make quarantine exclusively a Commonwealth matter, but empowers it to make laws concerning it. Thus Morrison was within his rights to delegate quarantine details to the states, but politically naive to do so.

  10. Dave in Marybrook says:

    Currency me lad, repeat after me
    For all but the already crook,
    There is no pandemic.
    There is no danger.
    It’s not about safety, it’s about control.

  11. sfw says:

    No, they’re just centrelink citizens. I know many Aussies overseas who can’t come back and yet you’re advocating to bring in masses from disease ridden countries. I would be more sympathetic if they hold only and only Australian citizenship but I bet most hold dual or more citizenship. Stop all dual citizenship, if you want to become an Australian rescind any other citizenship and have only one and one loyalty.

  12. Ian of Perth says:

    “Stop all dual citizenship, if you want to become an Australian rescind any other citizenship and have only one and one loyalty”.
    What sfw said!

  13. Patrick Kelly says:

    The issue here is that the ‘race card’ is being played. For over twelve months born and bred Australians have been denied access to their home country. Some were stranded on cruise ships and in overseas airports at great expense, sometimes having to charter planes at great cost in the hope of returning. Now it seems to be a racist charge, Column today by sometimes sensible Andrew Bolt reinforces this. Conservatives are killing their cause by falling into the narrative. Bad move Andrew. In the middle of last year there were many Australians trying to repatriate from India. Of course at that time many of them were (I hesitate to say) white/caucasian/Anglo-Saxon. Where was the outrage then?

  14. Patrick Kelly says:

    #Ian of Perth.
    For what it is worth, according to the press today, there is no dual citizenship arrangement between Australia and India. Perhaps someone can elucidate on that.

  15. C.L. says:

    Australian High Commission
    New Delhi

    DUAL NATIONALITY

    The Constitution of India does not allow holding Indian citizenship and citizenship of a foreign country simultaneously. Based on the recommendation of the High Level committee on Indian Diaspora, the Government of India decided to grant Overseas Citizenship of India (OCI) commonly known as ‘dual citizenship’. Persons of Indian Origin (PIOs) of certain category as has been specified in the Brochure who migrated from India and acquired citizenship of a foreign country other than Pakistan and Bangladesh, are eligible for grant of OCI as long as their home countries allow dual citizenship in some form or the other under their local laws.

    Persons registered as OCI have not been given any voting rights, election to Lok Sabha/Rajya Sabha/Legislative Assembly/Council, holding Constitutional posts such as President, Vice President, and Judge of Supreme Court/High Court etc. Registered OCIs shall be entitled to following benefits:

    (i) Multiple entry, multi-purpose life long visa to visit India;
    (ii) Exemption from reporting to Police authorities for any length of stay in India; and
    (iii) Parity with NRIs in financial, economic and educational fields except in the acquisition of agricultural or plantation properties.

  16. Patrick Kelly says:

    Hey Roger,
    Shouldn’t the refusal by Queensland to honour its debt to NSW for quarantine be a major issue at the next meeting of the Grants Commission or whatever name it goes by these days. And let’s go further. Let’s scrap this shonky ‘Fiscal Equalisation’ whereby welfare recipients in low cost states (parasites) receive the same benefits as recipients in states where costs of living are much higher? An aged pensioner in SA or Tas receives a benefit disproportionate to his/her cost of living than someone of similar means in Sydney for example.
    Comments welcome please.

  17. Patrick Kelly says:

    CL
    Thanks for clearing that up and I presume it is definitive. I was only going on press reports (yes, I know).

  18. Buccaneer says:

    Labour state governments ‘more government is the answer to all your problems’ except quarantine, they deep down know how incompetent they all are, so they lock down their borders and let NSW take the vast majority of returned travellers under the guise of protecting their citizens when they are really only protecting their own arses. Surely if more government was the answer to all problems they’d be able to manage quarantine arrangements easily…

  19. shatterzzz says:

    Stop all dual citizenship, if you want to become an Australian rescind any other citizenship and have only one and one loyalty.
    Dual citizenship only came in in 2002 when the gummint realised there was a decent quid to be made out of all the non citizen residents who wanted to stay whatever they already were were as well as becoming Aussies …….
    Fun fact … In Oz you can actually take out triple citizenship .. you’ve already got dual elsewhere but fancy adding Oz to the score … go for it … LOL!

  20. Chris M says:

    Political beat-up.

    India has a hug population. Each and every day 28,000 people die there on average many through other preventable diseases.

  21. candy says:

    I thought Andrew Bolt spoke very well on the subject, very compassionately.

    He also comes to the conclusion there is a waft of racism in this, a playing on people’s fear of the virus, and saying well they are Australians but only of Indian ethnicity so they don’t matter.

    Possibly it is a sad fact that the dog whistle will work in Morrison’s favour.
    Whether he did it deliberately or not is debatable but perhaps one of those “advisors” should have mentioned this could be problematic.

  22. David Brewer says:

    Dual citizenship only came in in 2002 when the gummint realised there was a decent quid to be made out of all the non citizen residents who wanted to stay whatever they already were were as well as becoming Aussies …….

    Are you sure, shatterzzz? I think you could always get Australian citizenship despite already having another one. The trick was that if you were Australian and took another citizenship, you would lose the Australian (see here). Some other countries (e.g. Netherlands) had a similar rule. The logic I suppose was “rat on us and you have had it”.

    On this India business, I am disgusted at fining any Australian citizen for trying to enter Australia. I have never heard of any similar case, anywhere in the world. It should be considered totally unacceptable, as it’s a separate issue from the capacity of quarantine facilities etc.

  23. Tel says:

    Patrick Kelly, there’s a rock solid constitutional ban on Indian dual nationality.

    https://india.embassy.gov.au/ndli/dualnlty.html

    What to do when something as important as a constitution says you can’t do it? Well you invent a new name for the thing and call it Overseas Citizenship of India (OCI) commonly known as ‘dual citizenship’ … problem solved!

  24. Baa Humbug says:

    Lemme get this straight. 16 months after a pandemic outbreak, the nation with strict quarantine rules (legit) for all sorts of stuff like animal and vegetable goods still doesn’t have adequate quarantine facilities.
    Therefore……..any Australian tryna get back home will be fined and jailed for doing so.

    Cricketers playing in the IPL can not come back in, but I guess if they were there playing in the Australian National team, they’d be allowed back in with self quarantine, just like diplomats and other dignitaries.

    If this doesn’t show Scott Morrison to be the inept coward that he is, nothing will.
    What a cvnt (word of the day).

  25. Rabbi Putin says:

    Indians who gamed the visa system with willing leftwing Gramscian activists in alliance with greedy bankers in order to gain easy western citizenship are still not Australians.

    They can stay over there and take a swim in the Ganges. Maybe allow some Australian people who were actually born here a chance at affordable housing.

  26. Rabbi Putin says:

    Indians who gamed the visa system with willing leftwing Gramscian activists in alliance with greedy bankers in order to gain easy western citizenship are still not Australians.

    They can stay over there and take a swim in the Ganges. Maybe allow some Australian people who were actually born here a chance at affordable housing.

  27. shatterzzz says:

    Are you sure, shatterzzz? I think you could always get Australian citizenship despite already having another one. The trick was that if you were Australian and took another citizenship, you would lose the Australian (see here). Some other countries (e.g. Netherlands) had a similar rule. The logic I suppose was “rat on us and you have had it”.

    From the 4th of April, 2002, Australia removed all restrictions (under the law of Australia) on Australians from holding citizenship, thus effectively legalising dual citizenship.
    nship.

  28. Up The Workers! says:

    On the other hand, we could redress the imbalance by using Deadly Dan the Chi-Com Man and his Cabinet of dementia-suffering fools, quarterwits and backside-coverers as guinea pigs for the lethal blood-clotting “vaccine” that the peasantry is being urged to queue up and partake of.

    Give each member of Deadly Dan’s Cabinet (who brought the disease in here in the first instance as part of their “Bat Soup and Toad Initiative” with their dear old “Uncle Xi” from the Wuhan Wet Market Bat Soup Stall and Chemical Weapons Facility), say 10 jabs of the blood-clotting vaccine each. If they survive that, then evidently not enough was used, so double the dose and try again and again and again until you have a unanimously successful result.

  29. Bruce says:

    Is this Kelly chap trying to out Fauci the original?

  30. Andre Lewis says:

    Morrison had to take the CMO’s advice on a temporary ban or be pilloried if not doing so caused a major outbreak here and Kelly said “I told him not to let them in”.
    The NT camp is being made ready and charter flights arranged to bring them in from India – that does not happen in five minutes hence the May 15 date.
    More importantly the bloody state Labor premiers pushed the PM by no doubt telling him they would not take anyone returning from India in their busted hotel quarantine system.
    This is all political.

  31. John A says:

    caveman says: May 3, 2021, at 5:50 pm

    Diplomatic immunity. Why could they just not make every Australian a diplomat, problem solved.

    Is this not the case, already? Why were we not told that we are walking advertisements for our nation when we leave our shores?

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