A Period of Normal

                               ‘More vaccines than demand’ in NSW: Barilaro
Right now one of my greatest concerns is that people aren’t rolling up to be vaccinated. We have capacity and more vaccines than demand. And that’s because in NSW we are living in a period of normal; because the reality is there is no virus and there is complacency.”

John Barilaro wants people to be vaccinated against something he says doesn’t exist

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54 Responses to A Period of Normal

  1. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    The fascist nanny state is here to protect you, why bother risking death from an experimental vaccine?

  2. Mango Man says:

    Zippy: those sentiments in the US via Trump etc led that country – judged pre-COVID to have the best global preparedness for such a risk – to have more deaths per head than Mali (rated 147th) and 300 times’ the death rate of China. As India has demonstrated, this virus isn’t going away.

  3. cuckoo says:

    John Barilaro declaring he ‘misspoke/was taken out of context’ in 3…2…

  4. Mother Lode says:

    This would be considered ineptitude for a state government: Their citizens are not frightened enough.

  5. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    that’s because in NSW we are living in a period of normal

    Only compared to the insanity prevalent elsewhere.

  6. m0nty says:

    It also annoys me that people have largely cancelled their appointments to get the AstraZeneca vaccine and are waiting for other brands, due to a literal one-in-a-million chance of blood clots. It doesn’t make any sense to wait to get vaccinated. The messaging on this from the Feds has been spreading the complacency.

    If the same people who are cancelling their AZ 1b appointments now start complaining about wait times for the Pfizer vax, they can shut their pieholes.

  7. egg_ says:

    there is no virus

    But, but… there’s a Global Plandemic!

    Couf! Couf!

  8. egg_ says:

    m0nty says:
    May 4, 2021 at 9:42 am

    The high risk comorbidity Couf jabee speaks!

    Miracles never cease.

  9. Figures says:

    The most amazing thing about all this is that people have just blindly accepted that these concoctions actually work. People are refusing them because they are dangerous (which is fair enough) but it must be also understood they are completely useless.

  10. egg_ says:

    US… more deaths per head than Mali

    Mali will have to upgrade their “died with COVID” stats.

    Why wasn’t Florida up in arms, being the high risk nursing home capital of the USA?

  11. egg_ says:

    due to a literal one-in-a-million chance of blood clots.

    How many jabs do you have to get?

  12. Forester says:

    I’m getting mine on Thursday.

  13. Joanna Smythe says:

    They will quickly have to create some fear and panic and fake facts and news and sheeple will rush out to get the vaccine. I know, lift the India ban and tell everyone they can come home immediately.

  14. Bad Samaritan says:

    monty bemoans the lack of interest in the AZ vax “due to a literal one-in-a-million chance of blood clots.”

    monty: You may have heard that all Takata auto airbags have been recalled…..

    “Vehicles made by 19 different automakers have been recalled to replace frontal airbags on the driver’s side or passenger’s side, or both in what NHTSA has called “the largest and most complex safety recall in history.”…..

    “Worldwide, NHTSA reports that there have been at least 27 deaths.”

    As this appears to be less than 1-in-a-million, and over many years (not a few weeks) of many individual trips, you recommend no-one worry about the airbag danger, eh?

  15. Snoopy says:

    I’m so old I remember the Great Covid Vaccine Shortage. Of April 2021.

    It was horrible. The hospitals were full and vulnerable were dropping dead all over the place.

  16. Kneel says:

    “It doesn’t make any sense to wait to get vaccinated.”

    If that is your opinion, then get it.

    I disagree, based on several things, but mostly:

    * all previous attempts to create a vaccine for a corona virus have stopped at the animal trial stage, due to complications (like blood clots etc) and what happens when the animal was exposed to the actual virus (worse result than control group), and these ones have not been through the standard testing regime, let alone long term human trials which would show any effects like neuro-degenerative and autoimmune issues

    * the risk from the vaccine (in the short term) is of the same order as the disease itself – and the risk of exposure is 100% for the vaccine and less than 100% for the actual disease

    * the vaccine does not prevent infection, does not prevent transmission and is not 100% effective, meaning it is the equivalent of stopping your course of antibiotics when you start to feel well – you are selecting for variants that the vaccine is ineffective against! Nor does it prevent you “killing Granny”, or even lessening the chances of that, as you are actually more likely to be asymptomatic.

    FYI:
    India death rate per 1,000 people:
    2000: 8.804
    2005: 8.147
    2010: 7.589
    2015: 7.253
    2020: 7.309
    2021: 7.344

    So despite CV, still better than 20, 15, and 10 years ago, and mildly above last years.
    But India is bad, right?
    Right.

  17. Fat Tony says:

    due to a literal one-in-a-million chance of blood clots.

    That may (or may not) hold true for the general population, but if you get fatal blood clots, then it is 100% of you.

    You are 100% dead, not 0.0001% dead

  18. Roger says:

    Stats coming out of India should be taken with a pinch of Kean’s curry powder, but I saw something yesterday which pointed out that India’s covid death rate was less than either the UK or the US at their peaks.

  19. Howard Hill says:

    I’d rather inject Trump’s bleach into my veins than that .gov sanctioned DNA altering death serum they’re pushing!

    They can fuck off!

  20. Bad Samaritan says:

    I’ve seen and remember enough govt BS and contradictions on this fake pandemic to steer clear of anything they recommend.

    First major example: after proclaiming that even the slightest interaction with a maybe-infected person in a queue etc could lead to mass death, the Feds introduced a tracking app which would only follow up on very close contacts of 15 minutes or more.. How fleeting a contact can you get?

    Then in Qld the lockdown of mining town Blackwater due to a Covid19 death, followed by the mobilization of the air-force to airlift the soon-to-be mass cases, and a mass testing panic….followed by the govt announcing it was all a false-negative, and the bloke had been at death’s door for years.

    Then that stubble-chinned dope in Victoria telling us that his health department counted all deaths of people with CV19 as CV19-caused deaths. Nothing, however,about also ascribing their deaths to them having all worn socks in the days immediately preceding their deaths.

    Best of all: after telling the citizenry of NSW that close contacts should never ever be with people other than the immediate family you live with, the Premier of NSW was discovered to have been doing the Horizontal Fandango with someone neither living at her place, nor (surprisingly for an Armenian!) a member of the immediate family. WTF?

    BTW: That last bracketed reference was a little joke. I just lurved Maradona, and every other darned thing about that country!

  21. wazz says:

    Just saw a Bondi doctor interviewed on SkyNews – he said they only get 50 doses a week but could Vax 1,000. He has tried to get more. Yet Barilaro says they have surplus doses. Typical Oz inter-Govt StuffUp.

  22. Xenophon says:

    John’s Hopkins data says deaths per 100k population is high in surprising places (USA 175.8) and surprisingly low in others (Thailand 0.05). Australia is 3.32. Suggests that behaviour in response to virus more effective than resources available.

  23. Rossini says:

    “lift the India ban and tell everyone they can come home immediately.”
    Just remind me which state of Australia will accept them!!!1

  24. Figures says:

    due to a literal one-in-a-million chance of blood clots.

    Imagine how dumb you have to be to believe that *every* reaction has been reported. Not just for blood clots but of any kind.

    The fact is that for this (and every other) vaccine, there could be ten, a hundred or a thousand times as many reactions than those that are reported. We have no idea.

    Governments around the world desperately don’t want to know about vaccine reactions and so they ensure that their vaccine injury reporting systems are worthless.

    It’s truly staggering when you think about it. We have an injury reporting system set up by the government but that very same government continuously discredits it. That then very same government refuses to make it any better.

    How often do governments discredit their own programs? And in the rare times they do, how often do they fail to throw millions/billions of dollars at it to make it better?

    Once. That’s how many times. Once in all of human history. For the vaccine injury reporting program. And absolutely nothing else.

    That should be all you need to know (although there are a zillion more things) to realise that every vaccine program is a mass criminal enterprise.

    If most people are experiencing *some* kind of a non-trivial reaction (and it appears they are for this particular shot) then it is highly likely that some people will experience a severe reaction and of those, some of them will experience a life threatening/changing reaction.

    We don’t know the figure for deaths or life changing injuries but it ain’t one in a million. It could easily be 1 in 100. Or even more.

    Vaccines are tested in an absurd way – because if they were tested in a sensible way none of them would get approved. They should be tested in such a way that their dosage is at the limit of what *can* cause the *slightest* reaction. For example, get 50 people, give them a particular dose and see if anybody gets any kind of a reaction. If one person gets a reaction (even if minor) then that is the upper limit of the dose.

    Of course, it’s a moot point given zero vaccines have or could have worked in history but the above would be what doctors would do if there was *any* science behind this nonsense.

  25. Rex Anger says:

    Yes yes Figures. It’s all,in everyone’s head.

    Now go think yourself well at somebody else.

  26. Entropy says:

    Xenophon says:
    May 4, 2021 at 11:42 am
    John’s Hopkins data says deaths per 100k population is high in surprising places (USA 175.8) and surprisingly low in others (Thailand 0.05). Australia is 3.32. Suggests that behaviour in response to virus more effective than resources available

    Or reporting. Take any figure with a grain of salt.

  27. Figures says:

    Yes yes Figures. It’s all,in everyone’s head.

    You can’t argue with me without creating a strawman.

    ‘Cos you’re wrong.

  28. Rex Anger says:

    You can’t argue with me without creating a strawman.

    ‘Cos you’re wrong.

    Nope. That’s your entire conceit, remember?

    All disease is due to emotional trauma?

    So anyone who gets sick of anything is simply a weak-willed squit next to you, almighty Chad ThunderBrain?

  29. rickw says:

    What’s India’s death rate for “with covid” at present?

    1 in 100? Pretty lame pandemic.

  30. Roger W says:

    An article in The Lancet in January pointed out that,
    “1·67 million (95% uncertainty interval 1·42–1·92) deaths were attributable to air pollution in India in 2019, accounting for 17·8% (15·8–19·5) of the total deaths in the country. The majority of these deaths were from ambient particulate matter pollution (0·98 million [0·77–1·19]) and household air pollution (0·61 million [0·39–0·86]).”

    Puts Covid deaths in to context, despite the most extreme attempts at Project Fear.

  31. Xenophon says:

    Entropy: so you don’t use any data to form a view?

  32. Chris M says:

    What’s India’s death rate for “with covid” at present? 1 in 100? Pretty lame pandemic.

    28,000 people die every day in India in normal times, many from TB and other preventable diseases. Many from pollution-borne or induced disease. These diseases are still killing more than covid is sadly, but without the daily outrage and media scare.

  33. Fat Tony says:

    Xenophon says:
    May 4, 2021 at 11:42 am
    John’s Hopkins data says deaths per 100k population is high in surprising places (USA 175.8) and surprisingly low in others (Thailand 0.05). Australia is 3.32. Suggests that behaviour in response to virus more effective than resources available.

    Also suggests that the accuracy and standard of “reporting” is very suspect.

  34. Figures says:

    All disease is due to emotional trauma?

    This is a fair elucidation of my views.

    Yes yes Figures. It’s all,in everyone’s head.

    This is a strawman.

    You clearly don’t understand the difference which is fine but it goes to show you never took any time to understand – you just wanted to reject it no matter what.

    I’ll repeat: the physiological symptoms *are very real* the pain is real. But the *cause* is the mind.

    If you take the time to read about what the opossum does when it’s trapped then you can easily start to make sense of it all. That’s not something I’ve made up by the way. We get the term “playing possum” from it (tonic immobility to use the scientific term). We know with 100 per cent certainty that my theory of disease is valid – that’s not even controversial. Using logic we can easily discern that the germ theory of disease is impossible.

    In short, we know with complete certainty that my view on disease is real and we know with complete certainty that your view on disease is impossible.

    It just seems to me that you are in a position of extreme weakness on this one.

    And yet you persist. I don’t know why.

  35. Vicki says:

    It also annoys me that people have largely cancelled their appointments to get the AstraZeneca vaccine and are waiting for other brands, due to a literal one-in-a-million chance of blood clots

    The blood clot issue is not one that bothers me unduly. However, the OS studies that indicate that AZ has as little as 10% effectiveness against the new COVID variants are a different matter. Alternate vaccines such as Moderna, Novamax, and even Pfizer, seem to be more effective.

    Friends who have had their jab argue that they will have these vaccines (in addition!) as they are available. I think this is madness. I have no desire to overload my immune system with multiple (experimental) vaccines.

    Added to this, said friends (not all, but many) & even my doctor have admitted that they were “as sick as a dog” after Az jab.

    In sum, and in view the current lack of community transmission, husband & I are deferring our jabs. I don’t think this an untenable position.

  36. Figures says:

    Two things that anybody can easily look at for themselves to understand disease. There really is no need to blindly take anything I say at face value.

    Read up about “playing possum”. Why would an animal do that? What benefits are there?

    Could a human also do the same thing (in some situations)? If so, could that explain what we call MS, polio, Guillain Barre, cerebral palsy, etc? Not necessarily every case, but maybe some. Maybe a lot.

    And the next thing to do is look at some photos of kids with so-called “hand foot and mouth disease”.

    This, we are told, is caused by a virus. But why (and how) would a virus do that?

    Our left hand corresponds with our right hand and there is only one thing in the universe that understands this – our mind. Not a virus. Viruses do not and cannot understand that our left hand corresponds with our right hand (or our left and right foot, or left and right elbow etc). And yet, every doctor in history (all of whom have seen thousands of these and other focused rashes) has completely missed the bleeding obvious.

    Rashes are focused because they are caused by the mind. When you allow yourself to think about it without prejudice for one trillionth of a second you’ll wonder how you could have been so stupid not to see it in the first place.

    Let’s posit that rashes are caused by a separation trauma. We could then easily understand that the rashes occur where our sub-conscious mind associates the separation. A baby could well associate missing their mother (let’s say she goes off to work when the baby is still suckling) on their face and hands because those are the places the baby most associates touching their mum.

    My then three year old got a rash on the exact place I would hold his back as he learnt to ride without training wheels. Of all the spots on the back he got this small rash *exactly* where I would hold him – every time I let go he viewed the separation as an existential threat.

    Now, we could go on. But the important thing to understand is that a disease as common as rashes – that people have universally feared throughout time (regardless of whether they called it bubonic plague, leprosy, measles, smallpox, chickenpox or hand, foot and mouth) – not only are caused by the mind, but the idea that they *are not* caused by the mind is completely absurd.

  37. Rex Anger says:

    Chad Thunderbrain is the wisest and most resilient and disease-free of us all.

    Shame he can’t help but smugly tell us he’s all right and we’re all wrong…

    (Hint: Banging your nose on the footpath because you were so busy pointing it in the air, declaring your superiority over we lesser mortals is emotionally traumatic, too).

  38. Rex Anger says:

    In short, we know with complete certainty that my view on disease is real and we know with complete certainty that your view on disease is impossible.

    Royal ‘we?’

  39. Lee says:

    Thanks, M0nty.
    You have convinced me that I am 100% correct in not getting the vaccine.

  40. Roger says:

    However, the OS studies that indicate that AZ has as little as 10% effectiveness against the new COVID variants are a different matter. Alternate vaccines such as Moderna, Novamax, and even Pfizer, seem to be more effective.

    Which reminds me…there’s a side to this story that’s doesn’t seem to be being explored by our generally incurious media. The head of AstraZeneca is an Australian. A while back it was reported that he was working closely with the government to deliver the vaccine for Australians. Is this why we ended up (mostly) with the dud vaccine? I’m not suggesting anything untoward, but that this arrangement may have led our government to unwisely put too many of its eggs in the one basket.

  41. Eyrie says:

    I’m not suggesting anything untoward, but that this arrangement may have led our government to unwisely put too many of its eggs in the one basket.

    The vaccines have nothing to do with protecting anyone. That may or may not be a welcome side effect. They are about getting the governments out of the corner they’ve painted themselves into.

  42. Eyrie says:

    It seems it has been known since September 2020 that the spike protein is pathogenic.
    https://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242255
    So what do the vaccines do? Cause your body to generate the spike protein. Wonderful.
    I also wonder if the coof is so bad in older and/or co-morbid people if the vaccine side effects won’t also be worse in those people. Maybe the age/risk tradeoff doesn’t actually work at all.

  43. H B Bear says:

    I had coffee this morning with a Covid survivor over from London. I’ll take my chances thanks.

  44. Ian of Brisbane says:

    No advantages in vaccination, still subject to petty lockdowns, still can’t travel overseas, still have to quarantine on the way back. Clearly they don’t believe it works so why should we?

  45. Albatross says:

    Chad ThunderBrain

    *Hearty snort*

  46. Albatross says:

    H B Bear says:
    May 4, 2021 at 6:57 pm
    I had coffee this morning with a Covid survivor over from London.

    “Survivor”? *snort*

  47. rickw says:

    I had coffee this morning with a Covid survivor over from London. I’ll take my chances thanks.

    Someone survived?! Incredible!

  48. Squirrel says:

    The collective decision of the media parrot chorus to use the word jab at every opportunity – as a verb or a noun – won’t be helping, at all, with “vaccine hesitancy”, but they’re too fucking stupid to realise what they’re doing every time they open their mouths.

    In a few months time (after the initial burst of enthusiasm) the threats to the hesitant will be interesting to see, particularly in the shadow of a federal election.

  49. Albatross says:

    rickw says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:24 pm
    […]
    Someone survived?! Incredible!

    I’m a commute survivor. Drove all the way into work and back again. Still here.

  50. Albatross says:

    Squirrel says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:27 pm
    The collective decision of the media parrot chorus to use the word jab

    Exactly. Angers me to read it here.

  51. Tel says:

    They should be tested in such a way that their dosage is at the limit of what *can* cause the *slightest* reaction. For example, get 50 people, give them a particular dose and see if anybody gets any kind of a reaction. If one person gets a reaction (even if minor) then that is the upper limit of the dose.

    Problem is that when you are tinkering with the immune system you NEED to provoke a reaction, in order for it to work.

    Normal anti-viral immune function involves:
    [1] detecting the bad guy and pumping up cytokines to signal you are sick … but not too many cytokines nor too quick else you get a shock reaction, blood pressure swings, etc.
    [2] coming up with an antibody and remembering it for next time (B-Cell immunity).
    [3] correctly identifying which human cells are already damaged beyond repair and sending the killer T cells to smash your own human cells before they can go into a virus production loop (T-Cell memory, where it learns how to better identify this next time).

    Successful COVID survival requires all three steps top operate smoothly.

    The purpose of a vaccine is to take the body through something that’s either a mild case (e.g. old style Polio vaccines) or something that looks to the immune system a lot like a case (e.g. the modern COVID vaccines). Question remains how to get just the right reaction from the immune system, in order to imprint a correct memory.

  52. Figures says:

    Problem is that when you are tinkering with the immune system you NEED to provoke a reaction, in order for it to work.

    So does that mean if I get a flu shot and feel absolutely fine then the shot was completely useless?

    You can’t have it both ways. What you’re saying is that in order for vaccines to work on most people they’ll have to kill some people.

    Well at least the last part is true.

  53. Figures says:

    Chad Thunderbrain is the wisest and most resilient and disease-free of us all.

    I never said I was disease free. It’s very difficult to avoid any kind of trauma. Although my knowledge certainly helps in recovery.

    I’ve been vaccinated too – much to the detriment of my health.

    My kids OTOH have never been vaxed and never seen a doctor for illness. Not once. In nearly 40 combined years. No antibiotics. Not even a panadol.

  54. Rex Anger says:

    Chad ThunderBrain: I never said I was disease free. It’s very difficult to avoid any kind of trauma

    Also Chad Thunderbrain: But I am disease free. Cuz I kno things…

    I’ve been vaccinated too – much to the detriment of my health.

    My kids OTOH have never been vaxed and never seen a doctor for illness. Not once. In nearly 40 combined years. No antibiotics. Not even a panadol.

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