The left/right divide we face today

This is Dennis Prager on the distinction between the left and the right. Making it of even more interest, the video begins with a long cut from Jordan Peterson on Q&A a few years back.

I also think the question Peterson asks, whether the questioner is better off than her grandparents were, might well be asked about whether her grandchildren will be better off than she is right now. That one is now hard to know. It might be like asking Russians in 1916 whether their grandchildren will be better off than they were right then. There is no “of course” about it.

Just saw this on Small Dead Animals and you would have to wonder what the data would look like if we asked the same question here.

In a normal, growing economy, each generation can expect a higher standard of living than the previous one. In Canada, we seem to be going in the opposite direction of normal. If the trend noted in this article continues, millennials will be lucky to buy a principal residence at about the time they would like to retire.

In the epicenter of the housing bubble, it’s particularly bad for an average income earner:

In Toronto, for example, where the median home price crossed $1 million in the first quarter, it now takes 278 months (23 years) to save up for a down payment. In Vancouver, where the price of a representative home is $1,381,274 and you need an income of $237,201 to afford it, you would have to save for 389 months (32.4 years) just for the down payment.

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36 Responses to The left/right divide we face today

  1. min says:

    As a psychologist , CBT trained, common thinking is others make me feel bad so they should change so I can feel ok . Told to me in different ways but a similar gist . My stock reply I cannot change anyone , the only person I can help is you to change your thinking so you feel ok about yourself no matter how others behave and only feel disappointment in their behaviour .
    One lesson to be learnt in life is not everyone plays from the same rule book so when you say He should treat me nicely , or whatever well that would be great but unfortunately he has different rules for life than you do .
    So here we have all the neo fascist millennials demanding others should behave by their rules and never mind if they are illogical , irrational or just opinions based , to make them feel better.
    As Jordan says in a different way clean up your own room first . Develop clear values , attitudes and strength of character as well as self worth and self acceptance . Mark Manson sums it up in today’s language The subtle of not giving a F#ck and not demanding others change so you can feel ok.

  2. BrettW says:

    Vancouver property prices would be seriously impacted by migrants from Hong Kong and China.

  3. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    If the trend noted in this article continues, millennials will be lucky to buy a principal residence at about the time they would like to retire.

    Rubbish. The problem is that the kids no longer accept they must start at the bottom. No, they want it all day one. House in a nice suburb, Ubereats, the social life of a inner city.

    If you get outside the big cities there’re lots of cheap houses. And jobs to go with them. But they are in country towns and regional centres far away from those wonderful pop-up bars.

    I started in the mining industry. Even today if you are prepared to work hard and get a qualification in something useful, and are willing to work in a remote location, then there’s highly paid work available. The trouble is they don’t like “dirty” jobs in “dirty” places with bad internet.

    And even then that internet will suddenly become good as Starlink continues to roll out.

  4. Primer says:

    Can the kiddie mendicant left seeking control over other people’s lives for their own good ever grow out of it?…. unlikely. Gillard and Ardern and Rudd have the same undergraduate politics they had at 22 years old, only the camo has improved.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    House in a nice suburb, Ubereats, the social life of a inner city.

    Apparently, if you have teenage daughters, it’s conditioner impossibly uncool to share a bathroom with anyone else.

  6. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    considered, FFS..

  7. Davo the spy says:

    Also gotta remember the expectations of a house have changed. My parents literally built their room by room as they got money, and in-laws started with dirt floors. Guess what you can buy a dirt floored shed cheaply even now

  8. Terry says:

    Hmmm, lower taxes leaves more net income to afford the requisite mortgage to purchase the property you want (yes, you might need to start out smaller, further away – deal with it).

    Lower taxes mean you’re more likely to find an employer that can now afford to pay you more, or even start your own enterprise.

    Of course, the downside is you will unlikely be able to maintain your cushy “job” inside the sheltered workshop of an unproductive government boondoggle…but then, those same zombie-bots won’t be unnecessarily contributing to inflation with their unproductive, ill-gotten gains; so there is that.

    But by all means, keep voting for bigger, more pervasive (progressive) government. They can/will fix it all for you. Just look at what they’ve achieved to this point /sarc.

  9. thefrollickingmole says:

    Min.

    Big elements of Stoicism in that approach.
    I can’t change the world but I can change how I react to it.

    The lie that man can be “perfected” still runs amok.
    Perfected for who is never asked.

  10. thefrollickingmole says:

    Terry.
    Cities main product nowadays is voteherds.
    My 50 pubes outvote your 3 business owners.
    The exception being big business, who are happy to toadie to big gubbiment as long as they keep those barriers to competition high.

  11. Doctor John says:

    Davo, you are correct. As a young man, I helped many build their own homes, but it was easier then. There was no registration of builders or other controls and I reckon most do it yourself builders of those days overbuilt and did a better job than many of the builders today. I helped on an owner built house in the 1950’s in a prestige suburb and it is still standing, and by no means the worst in the street.

  12. min says:

    Yes the frolickingmole , C B T based on Stoic philosophy , Epictetus , Marcus Aurelius etc. but empirical evidence supports this therapy .

  13. Ubique says:

    Guess what you can buy a dirt floored shed cheaply even now

    The shed might be cheap but the dirt it stands upon not. The developer spent ten million dollars on environmental impact assessment, hydrological surveys, heritage assessment and community consultation; and the rezoning application took eight years to go through; before so much as a sod was turned.

  14. Terry says:

    ‘The exception being big business, who are happy to toadie to big gubbiment as long as they keep those barriers to competition high.’

    Excatly Mole. “Big Business” is about cronyism; lobbying government to eliminate the competition to ensure they remain “Big Business”.

    It is frustrating that this kind of cartel-like behaviour is often mislabeled “Capitalism”, and the yoof “educated” to rail against it in pursuit of a Socialist Utopia, replete with the piles of dead bodies that inevitably follow.

    They’re too stupid mis-educated to realise the system they pine for is the one they’ve already got – Big Govt / Big Business / Big Union racketeering to relieve Citizens of their rights, their agency, and their wealth.

  15. sfw says:

    Dav like Ubique said, it’s not the house, it’s the land. Supply and demand. Our govs have spent the last 25 years importing massive numbers of migrants, they mainly want to live in our major cities and that takes land and other resources so the price goes up. Plus the incredibly onerous requirements to subdivide new land just makes the problem bigger. The gov knows that now they have destroyed our manufacturing sector one of the few places where a young man can get a good job and pay is in building, many of these ‘tradies’ would have once worked in other industries, they’ve been off shored so they go into what’s left, mainly construction trades. It’s going to be interesting and horrible when the sector pops and the gov either has to import more house buyers or face reality. The coming war with China will possibly reduce the problem for the gov anyway.

  16. Mick Gold Coast QLD says:

    Miss Piggy, spilling out of her black t-shirt – blubbery white arms like elephant legs – really ought to be spending more time improving herself … lots! … before bagging her older betters and telling them what to do.

    Smirking then shaking her head while Peterson speaks identifies her as ignorant, of no consequence and not worth wasting the time to notice her presence.

  17. PB says:

    sfw says:
    May 8, 2021 at 4:02 pm….

    Something I’ve noticed working in Health is the number of White male student nurses with Ned Kelly beards and football accents (def not Gay bears). Straight wage-earner males are chasing jobs and work that was never part of their lives and culture until the era we are in now. It’s certainly not that they can’t do it, it’s just something that under different circumstances they wouldn’t do in the numbers I see these days.

  18. JohnJJJ says:

    Ubique says:
    May 8, 2021 at 2:54 pm
    million dollars on environmental impact assessment, hydrological surveys

    Did you have to do a critical species and endangered habitat report? I did in the middle of the city for a 2 square foot extension to a balcony. The only species I could find were feral pigeons, a few rats and mice. Oh and a dog next door.

  19. Nob says:

    PB says:
    May 8, 2021 at 4:59 pm
    Straight wage-earner males are chasing jobs and work that was never part of their lives and culture until the era we are in now.

    Let’s hope they start to redress the balance in teaching.
    Primary is almost all females now.

  20. Fair Shake says:

    Mick Gold Coast QLD says:
    May 8, 2021 at 4:11 pm
    Miss Piggy, spilling out of her black t-shirt – blubbery white arms like elephant legs –

    Grrrrrrowl!

  21. Goanna says:

    Brettw
    May 8, 2021 at 12:41 pm
    Vancouver property prices would be seriously impacted by migrants from Hong Kong and China.

    I asked a hotel receptionist why are there so many homeless in Vancouver?

    She replied that Vancouver is the warmest city in Canada.

  22. Baa Humbug says:

    That fat arsed ugly sheila who can only get love from another fat arsed ugly sheila has a lot to say about how the World should run.
    Fark off you ugly bint is the correct response, but alas, her wymmensis teachers (and her ugly fat arsed single mom) have given her too much undeserved time and respect, so her fat arsed expectations are an order of magnitude higher than they should be.

    Too harsh?

  23. Patrick Kelly says:

    Firstly, I must say that I am a great fan of Dinesh D’Souza. This business of ‘left’ and ‘righr’ must be removed from the conversation. The use of these terms only plays into the playbook of the totalitarians. There is ‘Big Government’ and ‘Individual Freedom’. End of story.

  24. Primer says:

    Indeed Pat.
    It’s the sovereign individual vs the State now.
    It’s cronies and outsiders. All other descriptors are obsolete.

  25. Chris M says:

    That fat arsed ugly sheila… Too harsh?

    Yes. Her visual appeal has nothing to do with her totalitarian and immoral views which is the real problem.

  26. Chris M says:

    Missed the “quote”

    Don’t sweat the appearance if you don’t need to cuddle her, there is another elephant in the room.

  27. thefrollickingmole says:

    Her visual appeal has nothing to do with her totalitarian and immoral views

    Id disagree.
    Its quite possible shes displacing a lot of self loathing at her own fixable failures onto “big issues” she cant solve.

    “I cant monitor my calorie intake, the planet needs me”!!!!!

  28. Shane says:

    Q&A, the freakshow that just keeps on giving.

  29. Deano says:

    Aristophanes, Xerxes, Plotimus and Van der Phlastine. All triumphed the forth estate for mere peanuts by the time Rome was gone. For love we must as Ars longa, vita brevis, or, as Wilton Fredinard said in The Viscount of Eroticus “Amor vincit omnia”.

  30. dover_beach says:

    Leunig is trending on OZ Twitter again. The hate is real. Australian leftists and liberals become intensely bitter and ornery when one of theirs strays from the reservation.

  31. Crossie says:

    BrettW says:
    May 8, 2021 at 12:41 pm
    Vancouver property prices would be seriously impacted by migrants from Hong Kong and China.

    The Vancouver rush started in the 90s when a lot of Hong Kong residents thought it a better bet to clear off than wait for CCP to March in once the British handed over the keys. They were prescient.

    The same is happening here with the Chinese and Indian middle classes relocating to a better country. The high rises are not popular with Australians but the Chinese and Indians are comfortable in those environments though once they have kids they also gravitate to the suburbs.

  32. Crossie says:

    Something I’ve noticed working in Health is the number of White male student nurses with Ned Kelly beards and football accents (def not Gay bears). Straight wage-earner males are chasing jobs and work that was never part of their lives and culture until the era we are in now. It’s certainly not that they can’t do it, it’s just something that under different circumstances they wouldn’t do in the numbers I see these days.

    They are being perfectly rational and practical. The younger generation are good people, the ones on Twitter and other social media horrifying the horses are not all that representative of their generation.

  33. Wyndham Dix says:

    Nob says:
    May 8, 2021 at 5:21 pm

    Let’s hope they start to redress the balance in teaching.
    Primary is almost all females now.

    Therein lies the explanation for most of today’s societal ills in the West.

  34. Kneel says:

    “…the ones on Twitter and other social media horrifying the horses are not all that representative of their generation.”

    +1
    Twatter is a sewer, full of exactly what you’d expect a sewer to be filled with.
    That, in itself, is not the problem.
    The problem is media and pollies think it is representative of everyday people, when it is demonstrably not.
    Case in point: AOC thinks Dems didn’t go far enough left and it cost them votes. Reality is, they lost the moderate liberals (centre left), and any Repub with a MAGA agenda other than Bad Orange Man, and a suitably aggressive party behind them – willing to roll some radical leftism back – would have romped it in for all of house, senate and presidency.
    2022 repub primaries will be interesting.

  35. PB says:

    “There was no registration of builders or other controls and I reckon most do it yourself builders of those days overbuilt and did a better job than many of the builders today.”

    That’s the trouble with regulation. It reduces everything to the minimum standard that needs to be achieved.

  36. Baa Humbug:

    Fark off you ugly bint is the correct response, but alas, her wymmensis teachers (and her ugly fat arsed single mom) have given her too much undeserved time and respect, so her fat arsed expectations are an order of magnitude higher than they should be.
    Too harsh?

    No, I think you’ve hit a good balance between pointing out the facts and giving a realistic degree of encouragement in self improvement.
    Well done!

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