Two and a half cheers for Khalid. No, they do not “mean well”

FOLLOWING UK Labour’s total electoral disaster, Kashmir-born Birmingham Opposition MP Khalid Mahmood has resigned from Labour’s frontbench with this statement:



While the Hartlepool result is noteworthy, I don’t think Labour’s debacle is as consequential as this lament implies. A setback for Keir Starmer’s Opposition and weeding the woke are not the same thing. Far from marking a reversal for leftism, the win for Johnsonism can as logically be seen as an endorsement of its most egregious manifestation since the 1970s.

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67 Responses to Two and a half cheers for Khalid. No, they do not “mean well”

  1. a reader says:

    It’s amazing that despite everything Boris has got wrong, he has still wooed yet more of the traditional Labor voters. Imagine if he stood for something how well he’d do…

  2. Gerry says:

    “….helping people pull themselves up in the world…..” Mr.Mahmood doesn’t get it ……it’s not about helping people pull themselves up ….firstly, are you sure you are up and they are down? Secondly, do they want to be pulled up to be like you ? Thirdly, are you happier than them ?
    Which all means to say is that the parties need to listen to people.

  3. C.L. says:

    My argument is that it’s disturbing that left-of-centre Britons have flocked to Johnson. But not surprising; he is, after all, running a police state.

  4. FlyingPigs says:

    Far from marking a reversal for leftism, the win for Johnsonism can as logically be seen as an endorsement of its most egregious manifestation since the 1970s.

    It’s Tony Abbots success as well.

  5. Tom says:

    If you hold ordinary people in contempt, you can’t represent them in a democracy.

    Those on the left belatedly realising that 99% of leftards are anti-democratic fascists who loathe the common man don’t deserve a medal for the self-delusion they spent their life living under. They’ve hardly begun the journey back to happiness and self-respect.

    I’ve realised in the past 24 hours the main reason I can’t stand the left is that for leftards everything is about power and politics and there’s no escape. Leftards are obsessed with the desire to make other people kiss their arse because their lives are so empty and unhappy.

    Life and the universe are wondrous. I can’t imagine hating my life. I am an optimist.

  6. gardez bien says:

    I find your assessment confusing CL

    The UK is no more a police state than France or Italy or Spain, and less so than Australia which has banned its citizens from travel overseas.

    The Welsh Labour Party did well – Wales is part of the UK.This is likely due to the fact that the party there is not woke, and thus appeals to Traditional Labour Voters, who are not at all on the Left, but centre Left on things like welfare and, er, welfare.

    The collapse of Labour in the North is indeed momentous, and one doubts they’ll ever recover. Northerners are insufficiently stupid to believe in wokeness and Global Warming. And Boris is promising Free Ports and Enterprise Zones to encourage private sector investment. He’s also proposing to improve the existing rail network and roads WITHIN the North. This is sensible enough if it sticks to productive infrastructure and is limited. Ideas like HS2, meanwhile, are folly.

    So now in England (not the UK), you have Muslims, urban lefties, global warming extremists, Remoaners and the woke running London but nowhere else .

    And there is no such thing as Johnsonism.

  7. Crossie says:

    a reader says:
    May 9, 2021 at 12:18 am
    It’s amazing that despite everything Boris has got wrong, he has still wooed yet more of the traditional Labor voters. Imagine if he stood for something how well he’d do…

    People generally lean towards the least bad option. What this also tells us is that the common people are much smarter than the elites but they don’t have the power or the opportunity to change the world.

  8. Petros says:

    Mahmood is wrong. They don’t mean well. They are vicious fascists.

  9. notafan says:

    Flock to Johnson, nowhere else to go.

  10. Ed Case says:

    FlyingPigs says:

    It’s Tony Abbots success as well.

    Someone said Johnson was the best educated, most intelligent man ever to become PM, and the worst.
    The best you could say of Tony Abbott was that he got lucky a couple of times and didn’t have a clue.

  11. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    The Brexiters in the Labour Party seem to be the blue collar working people, which makes sense. The green-progressives are Remainers, in keeping with their internationalism and love of flying to Paris for croissants. So I suspect the divide between the two wings of the Party is wider than here in Australia. Keir Starmer failed to bridge the gap, and the Hartlepool candidate was exactly what you expect – a choice of the prog elites in the Party completely at odds with the blue collar seat.

  12. Ed Case says:

    Labor stood a rejected Remainer from a neighbouring Constituency in 70% Leave Hartlepool, so someone didn’t take it seriously.
    Meanwhile, Labour did very well in Council Elections in Wales, even though a Tory breakthrough was predicted after Johnson’s 2019 results there.
    Bottom line:
    Starmer hasn’t got the goods, he is a former Director of Public Prosecutions, declined to investigate Jimmy Savile, among other things.

  13. yarpos says:

    Johnson is effectively a Labour Prime Minister with many of his pet projects being classic lefty leaning objectives eg. destroying the grid with wind and solar and then mandating EVs. The other thing he has done to woo the working class is Brexit, where that was much more popular with what were traditional Labour voters.

  14. Ed Case says:

    Johnson saw which way the wind was blowing on Brexit and switched camps to Leave.
    Sooner or later the workers who voted Leave will notice that the 750 million strong EU Market that they took for granted for 50 years is gone.
    When that happens, Labour will return, Johnson to the ash heap, and what have Tory voters got to show for his pandering for votes?

  15. miltonf says:

    Good Labour lost but no way would I have voted for blojo.

  16. Shy Ted says:

    Worse or worser.

  17. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Khalid Mahmood has encapsulated perfectly what is wrong with UK Labour although it’s a pity it has taken him so long to speak so plainly plus I would dispute his “they mean well, of course“. Because the reality is that progressive left don’t mean well….they mean to destroy the family, society and the west.

  18. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “The best you could say of Tony Abbott was that he got lucky a couple of times and didn’t have a clue.”

    One thing is sure DICK ED and that is that you never have a clue.

  19. herodotus says:

    I’ve realised in the past 24 hours the main reason I can’t stand the left is that for leftards everything is about power and politics and there’s no escape.
    Too right Tom.
    Certainly looks like there’s no escaping from the never-ending story of the zombie left. They’ve gone from disaster to disaster for 100 years plus, and can’t point to a single country made better by their ministrations, unless creating the monster that is now China qualifies. It was, however, not made better by Mao’s mob, but by Deng and Co. who unleashed the forces of manufacture and commerce – something the Soviet’s never achieved.
    But the hard left are still with us, currently destroying the USA unless someone stops them.

  20. miltonf says:

    But the hard left are still with us, currently destroying the USA unless someone stops them.

    Yes and as is Australia they have taken over arts/meja/ejucashun.

  21. gardez bien says:

    Ed,

    Britain does not need the EU market. It can still trade with the EU countries who can see that raising tariffs would be silly. Unless you’re French. Even the Bosche can see Britons buy a lot of their cars. The grown up thing would be to keep trading – why not? – and for the UK to trade with tbd other 300 counties in the world.

    Britain won’t go back into the EU because it is centralised, inflexible and authoritarian.
    There’s a chance countries like Poland, Estonia, the Czech Republic, Italy and even Denmark will leave the EU. Heading the other way, the EU might add Turkey and Scotland.

    ,

  22. Petros says:

    The Soviets were not let into the WTO. Russia still isn’t.

  23. Turtle says:

    A Johnson is a dick in the US.

  24. H B Bear says:

    Maybe just not being Labo(u)r IS enough. What a depressing thought.

  25. C.L. says:

    I find your assessment confusing CL

    The UK is no more a police state than France or Italy or Spain, and less so than Australia which has banned its citizens from travel overseas.

    Right. What do you find confusing?

    So now in England (not the UK), you have Muslims, urban lefties, global warming extremists, Remoaners and the woke running London but nowhere else .

    Right but it’s Boris Johnson imprisoning the population and using the police against citizens. I don’t see how people flocking to his leftism constitutes a great triumph against leftism. The most you could say is that Britons want a police state but with the Winston Churchill statues left unmolested.

  26. PB says:

    “Starmer hasn’t got the goods, he is a former Director of Public Prosecutions, declined to investigate Jimmy Savile, among other things.”

    It’s always interesting how people who don’t do things they should do seem to get a free ride through the system with minimal scrutiny (Kamala Harris is another superb example). Maybe they have loyalties that lie elsewhere.

  27. Mother Lode says:

    They mean well

    No, they do not.

    They mean to denigrate and annihilate the culture, tradition, the ideas, the sense of worth, and the sense of ‘place’ so they can impose on of their own devising.

    So intense is their love of themselves and so intense their contempt for other people that they see other people as props tor a grand production about themselves.

    By the author’s reckoning who doesn’t mean well?

  28. Mother Lode says:

    and the sense of ‘place’ of everyone else so they can impose on

  29. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “It’s always interesting how people who don’t do things they should do seem to get a free ride through the system with minimal scrutiny (Kamala Harris is another superb example). Maybe they have loyalties that lie elsewhere.”

    We have them here…Skank Keneally is a classic example. These people…almost always on the left….have fellow progressives who look after them and a MSM that runs cover for them.

  30. Cassie of Sydney says:

    They mean to denigrate and annihilate the culture, tradition, the ideas, the sense of worth, and the sense of ‘place’ so they can impose on of their own devising.

    So intense is their love of themselves and so intense their contempt for other people that they see other people as props tor a grand production about themselves.

    You’ve said it best.

  31. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    At least this Paki pretend Englishman knows what a pack of uni indoctrinsted tossers the pretend labour mob are . Copying the corrupt crazy uni indoctrinsted yank tossers in a game of lets play socialism . They even supprt the child molesting corrupt bribe taing asshola in the Shite Housevinthe third world USA.<

  32. Entropy says:

    We have them here…Skank Keneally is a classic example. These people…almost always on the left….have fellow progressives who look after them and a MSM that runs cover for them.

    Julie Bishop?

  33. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Meanwhile, Labour did very well in Council Elections in Wales

    Ed – That’s because 16 and 17 year olds voted in the Welsh election.

    What else would you expect of kids who’ve been indoctrinated throughout their schooling and have had no real world experience yet to deprogram them?

  34. miltonf says:

    Scotland and Wales have turned into total abominations- maybe all the smart people got out 100-200 years ago.

  35. Boxcar says:

    Did WuFlu have any impact on voting?
    am I missing something here, or did Boris’ lockdown policy appeal to the greater majority, just like almost everywhere else?

  36. Roger says:

    Starmer was advised by Bl;air & Mandelson. They’ll have a review and conclude that Britons were undeserving of them.

  37. gardez bien says:

    Don’t be silly CL. Boris is not a leftist. He is a One Nation Tory.

    I think he’s mistaken on lockdowns but that doesn’t make him a Leftist anymore than any other PM. I also think he’s wrong on Global Warming. But then so is every in the West apart from Poland.

    Labour was meted out a defeat because the working class in North simply dislike them, do not trust the Woke Loons, the London metro elites and the BBC.

    People in the UK do not vote Tory because they like lockdowns or bully police, but they believe, rightly or wrongly, that lockdowns and the vaccines are beating the virus.

    I’d worry more about Australia which is far more illiberal than is England.

  38. miltonf says:

    If bLIAR and mandy were normal people, they would have gone into exile and never shown their faces again. Like krudd and TLS.

  39. Roger says:

    My argument is that it’s disturbing that left-of-centre Britons have flocked to Johnson. But not surprising; he is, after all, running a police state.

    I don’t think that was it.

    The results should be seen in the context of the decline of left wing parties across western Europe in recent years. It was, to use Blair’s terms, a contest between parties appealing to “open” (socially liberal, cosmopolitan) and “closed” (socially conservative, nationalist) voters. UK Labor has embraced the former and taken the latter for granted (for decades). They’re now paying the electoral price. Whether Johnson can make Red Toryism work for citizens in a post-liberal UK is now the crucial question.

  40. miltonf says:

    Blojo’s embrace of bird choppers show he’s not fit to govern.

  41. Ed Case says:

    What else would you expect of kids who’ve been indoctrinated throughout their schooling and have had no real world experience yet to deprogram them?

    LOL
    Wales is full of poor people, but they weren’t dumb enough to drink the Johnson Kool Aid, unlike the Andy Capp’s of Hartlepoole.

  42. BorisG says:

    Labor repeatedly elected Corbyn, how is this woke or Californian?

  43. BorisG says:

    If every leader who imposed lockdowns is a leftist then this will include such leaders as bibi Nataniyahu among many others.

    I do not think anyone has accused him of being a leftist just yet.

    Lockdowns may be a controversial thing in Australia where thanks to draconian border closure we have hardly any Covid, but in places where a huge growth in cases is observed, it is perceived by the vast majority of people as a painful but necessary evil.

  44. DaveR says:

    You are wrong CL and you are right GB. Its all about Woke, and the result that traditional labor voters wont buy it.

  45. C.L. says:

    Don’t be silly CL. Boris is not a leftist.

    Gardez, he is to the left of Anthony Albanese on warmism, is a pro-abortion extremist (in fact, he paid to have an unborn child killed), takes advice from his ‘girlfriend’ – the latest of several baby-mommas – and has presided over a police state assault on the traditional rights and liberties of all Britons. This loathsome idiot is not a conservative.

    The results should be seen in the context of the decline of left wing parties across western Europe in recent years.

    I don’t think so, Roger. Polls have shown for some time that Britons love the lockdown, the big spending and the state-guaranteed ‘safety’ of totalitarianism. This is a classic yay-for-incumbency in a crisis victory. IMO.

    As for wokesters, they still run the police, the media, the corporates, the schools, the universities, the civil service etc. You need national leadership and national laws to effect national change. Johnson has provided neither.

    I’m glad Labour failed but I’ve seen these allegedly culture-changing wins by non-Lab before – and they’re never enough for cultural victory. The reason for that is always the same: once incumbent, Johnsonians and Howardians want to be loved by the media. They always pivot left. This has the dual effect of resuscitating institutional leftists and shifting the spectrum itself leftward.

    Thatcher’s mentality, by contrast, was never to accept left-wing premises. She got under the root-ball of the weed with a spade.

  46. Snotball says:

    Imagine a world without the left. Would be just like post war America. Everyone working together and the family as the basic and strongest unit of society. Norman Rockwell created a world I would have liked to live in. There was no left back then, just people trying to better their lot and get on together.

  47. Lee says:

    They mean well, of course …

    “They” most definitely do not!

  48. Ed Case says:

    You’re sort of correct, what had happened by mid century America was that the East Coast Elites had taken over the Old Left during the Roosevelt,F.D., Admin, and steered it toward very different aims.
    See the career of Alger Hiss [1902-1998] for a prime example, an Ivy Leaguer who had a brilliant career until brought down by a Pol on the make.
    The Statute of Limitations on Treason is only 2 years over there, so he wasn’t fried, as a matter of fact he became a hero of sorts in his old age, the Massachusetts Bar Association even gave him back his ticket to practise Law.

  49. BorisG says:

    Johnson delivered Brexit. He was key to the Leave vote to begin with (not alone but key) and also unlike his two Tory predecessors he actually delivered it.

    This alone should make him a conservative hero. It is true that is left on climate change (wrongly in my opinion) and on abortion (right, in my opinion) but you can’t have everything.

    It is true that Thatcher was way better. In my view such a leader can only be popular after many years of ruin by labor. Corbyn style labor, not Blair.

  50. DrBeauGan says:

    I’ve realised in the past 24 hours the main reason I can’t stand the left is that for leftards everything is about power and politics and there’s no escape. Leftards are obsessed with the desire to make other people kiss their arse because their lives are so empty and unhappy.

    Life and the universe are wondrous. I can’t imagine hating my life. I am an optimist.

    +Lots.

  51. C.L. says:

    “Delivering” Brexit hardly makes any difference when the “Conservative” prime minister is at least as left-wing as anybody in Brussels.

    It isn’t the EU that’s arresting little old ladies on London park benches and taking away Liverpudlian street preachers in police vans.

  52. cuckoo says:

    Life and the universe are wondrous. I can’t imagine hating my life. I am an optimist.

    Well said. Thank you Tom.

  53. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “I’m glad Labour failed but I’ve seen these allegedly culture-changing wins by non-Lab before – and they’re never enough for cultural victory.”

    Quite so C.L….quite so.

  54. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “but in places where a huge growth in cases is observed, it is perceived by the vast majority of people as a painful but necessary evil.”

    BolshevikG…..ever the totalitarian.

  55. miltonf says:

    “Delivering” Brexit hardly makes any difference when the “Conservative” prime minister is at least as left-wing as anybody in Brussels.

    It isn’t the EU that’s arresting little old ladies on London park benches and taking away Liverpudlian street preachers in police vans.

    That’s exactly right- you can have Brexit but we’ll put you and house arrest and destroy the economy. Again I say, so much for the royals protecting our freedoms.

  56. miltonf says:

    That’s exactly right- you can have Brexit but we’ll put you under house arrest and destroy the economy. Again I say, so much for the royals protecting our freedoms.

  57. BorisG says:

    Delivering” Brexit hardly makes any difference when the “Conservative” prime minister is at least as left-wing as anybody in Brussels.

    Prime ministers come and go, but Brexit will stay.

  58. BorisG says:

    And also, people on Brussels are not elected by the British people. Members of parliament are. BJ was elected by MP’s who were in turn elected by the people.

    People who think a social conservative can be elected in any western country are deluding themselves. They got Trump but even Trump is not a true social conservative but made a pragmatic pact with social conservatives. We know he ridiculed Pense’s social conservative views.

  59. Cassie of Sydney says:

    ” We know he ridiculed Pense’s social conservative views.”

    Really BolshevikG? Link please. By the way…it’s Pence with a “c”.

  60. Roger says:

    People who think a social conservative can be elected in any western country are deluding themselves.

    And yet here we are with Scott Morrison.

    Granted, he didn’t exactly campaign on a social conservative platform, but he didn’t hide his views either.

    Meanwhile, in France, Marine Le Pen is causing Macron to move to the right as they countdown to next year’s presidential election. Aside from her well known policies on immigration, she is opposed to euthanasia and same sex marriage and has flagged a referendum on the return of capital punishment.

  61. Primer says:

    Boris’s squeeze is a silly far left greenie.
    Happy wife, happy life.

  62. BorisG says:

    And yet here we are with Scott Morrison.

    If SciMo is a social conservative then yes of course. But here I read mostly that he is a fake conservative, weakling, pandering to the left etc. seriously, is he really all that different from Boris Johnson? Boris has delivered Brexit. What has Scott Morrison done exactly?

    It would be great if far right parties force mainstream centre right parties back to slightly more conservative positions, but it would be a minor miracle of any of them denounces same sex marriage, transgender rights, climate madness, broad interpretation of the refugee convention, let alone free abortion rights.

    Boris Johnson is miles to the right of European traditional right like Angela Merkel on immigration and security. But if it is not enough for you, you will have labor and possibly Corbyn.

  63. Squirrel says:

    Sooner or later UK Labour will play the gender card, and go for a no-nonsense, nanny knows best woman who will try to frame Johnson as a naughty, silly boy – all done with the benefit of a working class/regional accent designed to distract attention from the fact that the party she leads is fraud on the people it claims to represent.

  64. BorisG says:

    Cassie, I have read it here https://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trump-mocks-mike-pence-he-wants-to-hang-all-gay-people-20171017-gz2eox.html. I know you will say it is fake news but it sounds very believable.

    Anyway, the US is different from most western nations. There many true conservatives in both congress and among state governors. There are hardly any conservatives left among traditional centre right parties in Europe, Australia, New Zealand or Canada. There are a few among the UK tories but they are endangered species.

  65. Perfidious Albino says:

    Disappointing to see Sadiq Khan get back in as Mayor of London.

  66. Nob says:

    Labour does well in Wales because they adopt the nationalist mantle.

    The SNP grabbed practically the whole Labour vote in Scotland and also deluded nationalists who think the SNP is a centrist party.

    They’re not – under Sturgeon they have gone crazy left

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