Nine nominates fake ‘witness’ against Roberts-Smith

IF you missed this on Monday, don’t be surprised: the ABC, The Guardian, Twitter, the networks and the rule of law-loving Liberal Party all ignored it. Short story shorter: it seems like a brother-in-arms was officially named to bluff the accused – which is perjurious and contemptuous:

A key witness for Nine in its defamation defence against Victoria Cross recipient Ben Roberts-Smith says he has never spoken to the media giant and had no idea they were relying on his evidence.

Person 4 is a former SAS soldier who Nine alleged in a June 2018 newspaper article was present when Mr Roberts-Smith ordered members of his squad to kill a shepherd named Ali Jan…

Arthur Moses SC, who is the barrister representing Mr Roberts-Smith, told the [Federal] court on Friday the “extraordinary” revelation was made during recent discussions between his team and Person 4’s lawyers.

“We were informed rec­ently by Person 4’s lawyers that [he] has never ­spoken to the respondents,” Mr Moses said.

“And the outline of evidence, that was represented as being an outline of evidence that he would give at trial, that in effect he committed a murder at the direction of the applicant, was not the subject of anything he told the respondents’ lawyers or the respondent.

“So we’re not sure where they got that from, whether it was made up by them, whether they were sold a pup by somebody or whether they received information unlawfully.”

 
On being apprised of this last Friday, a perplexed Federal Court Justice Wendy Abraham observed, “One might think a witness outline… the obvious inference is it comes from the witness.”

She’s so old-fashioned.

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59 Responses to Nine nominates fake ‘witness’ against Roberts-Smith

  1. TBH says:

    I will laugh so hard if this blows up in Nein-Fairfax’s face.

  2. shatterzzz says:

    Totally acceptable! After all this 2021 when a statement becomes truth just by being uttered …. after all solid proof is soooooooooo 2019-ish!

  3. Richard says:

    Trump was right.

    It turns out that the Mainstream Fake News Media is the enemy of the people. The worst of enemies, and somewhat evil.

  4. Primer says:

    Memories. The media shedding tears and beating their chests in grief over reports of US Marines shooting VC kids who were directed by their VC parents to lay mines, deliberately in sight of the Marine’s on the base exit routes, relying on western squeamishness and military rules that didn’t mind if an American father didn’t go home to his kids but insisted instead on VC kids going home to their VC fathers.
    Politicians delight in sending men to die for their political arrogances, makes them feel powerful. Chances are those men will survive any way they can. Suck it up Ita.

  5. Tom says:

    This is the sort of trouble that befalls you when you abandon journalism
    to conduct political vendettas that implement the unwritten rule of campaigning by desperados — whatever it takes — to destroy the tribal enemies of the left.

    Nick McKenzie, who is old enough to have worked at The Age when it was a credible newspaper, knows it’s not journalism, but he’s now so invested in fighting the left’s political battles as a social justice warrior that he did it anyway.

    I don’t expect McKenzie will have the gumption to personally apologise to Ben Roberts-Smith when his work lands Nine-Fairfax with yet another multi-million-dollar payout because the company no longer employs competent editors to stop it publishing legally expensive bullshit.

  6. The BigBlueCat says:

    Ben Roberts-Smith is being stitched up by his enemies (IMHO). After watching “Breaker Morant” last night on Netflix, I see some similarities.

  7. Colonel Crispin Berka says:

    or whether they received information unlawfully.”

    Interesting that this is admitted as a possibility.

  8. Roger says:

    This is just extraordinary.

    What a combination of malice & incompetence.

  9. Paul says:

    Again, the lying left wing msm caught out lying.

    Telling the truth exposes their lies

  10. harrys on the boat says:

    So this sham trial is over? How can nein now possibly defend itself against publishing bullshit?

  11. Snotball says:

    This man put his life on the line to protect Australia and its people. Touch him at your peril. Make no mistake the silent majority are all over this like a fat kid on a cupcake and will not tolerate anything less than full exoneration. Take note politicians – your re-election could depend on it!

  12. harrys on the boat says:

    Whats Ben’s possible damages total? Thousands or Millions?

  13. billie says:

    Filth, get rid of them

  14. Paul says:

    Looks like the Taliban may have allies everywhere.

  15. C.L. says:

    That’s not all:

    Nine had initially intended Person 4 and Person 13, an interpreter used to translate between coalition and Afghani forces, would both testify that Mr Roberts-Smith had ord­ered them to kill Ali Jan.

    Person 13 is no longer giving evidence in the trial.

    Write a cheque already, Nine, you dishonest cock heads.

  16. Frank says:

    Wonder how media watch will handle it. Actually, I don’t.

  17. thefrollickingmole says:

    Must be time to roll out some more “How very DARE Stokes help fund our coming penury” articles.

    At what stage to nein/ABC cut some “journalists” loose and try to limit their losses?

    Might be time for the white flag.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-fWDrZSiZs

  18. PoliticoNT says:

    C.L. – on Tuesday I was in a cafe in Manuka downing an espresso. As I was leaving I got into a conversation with a defence colleague. Has always struck me as very hard working and competent. Can be the usual Canberra-soft-Leftie, but overall a believer. Wife is senior DFAT. Certain social circles and opinions are kept though.

    The cafe owner had been reading a copy of the Telegraph and asked a question about Roberts-Smith. Colleague didn’t say much. But on the way out the door he turned to me and cursed angrily, ‘Roberts-Smith is a fucking arsehole, and we’re going to get him.’ I cross-referenced with an old friend who works in the same space and got a similar set of views. Two very experienced professionals expressing what they see are statements of fact; based in fact. But the entire tone and vocabulary was pure ABC/SBS/Nine.

    Bumped into said colleague yesterday morning and I asked where did the comment come from as it wasn’t what I expected from him. He notched it up further. Again, the language he used suggested he doesn’t take on board sources outside the Canberra Golden Circle of Handjobbery. Mind you, other colleague/friend noted that the problem is there’s a pile on. Too many of these idiots want to be seen to be in on the kill.

    Sickening really.

  19. jupes says:

    Nine had initially intended Person 4 and Person 13, an interpreter used to translate between coalition and Afghani forces, would both testify that Mr Roberts-Smith had ord­ered them to kill Ali Jan.

    So they’re left with the Taliban witnesses.

    LOL. That will be an absolute clown show.

  20. Crossie says:

    harrys on the boat says:
    May 13, 2021 at 1:24 pm
    Whats Ben’s possible damages total? Thousands or Millions?

    I would empty the Channel Nine and Fairfax coffers. Let them declare financial bankruptcy as they are already ethically bankrupt.

  21. Snoopy says:

    Arthur Moses. Now that’s a name for a man you can rely on. Pity he’s not a QC.

  22. Snoopy says:

    Can be the usual Canberra-soft-Leftie, but overall a believer. Wife is senior DFAT. Certain social circles and opinions are kept though.

    Closet commo’s.

  23. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Judge Wendy Abraham does not suffer fools.

  24. Lee says:

    That’s not all:

    Nine had initially intended Person 4 and Person 13, an interpreter used to translate between coalition and Afghani forces, would both testify that Mr Roberts-Smith had ord­ered them to kill Ali Jan.

    I would not trust the uncorroborated word of an Afghani and/or a follower of the RoP in such circumstances.

  25. candy says:

    Why the pile on to “get him” though.

    I understand they may not like the fellow, or don’t like his values, his wife or friends, his political beliefs etc.

    But that can’t be a reason to pile on and try to get him in jail for murder and bring up false evidence and witnesses who never knew they were supposed to be witnesses.

  26. Rex Anger says:

    If the civil Brereton-by-Proxy is about to publicly collapse like the the poorly-made soufflé of SJW anti-military bullshit it always was, how badly are things going to fail when exposed to an actual criminal Standard of Proof?

  27. calli says:

    ‘Roberts-Smith is a fucking arsehole, and we’re going to get him.’

    They sound like school children.

    Nasty ones.

  28. Rex Anger says:

    But that can’t be a reason to pile on and try to get him in jail for murder and bring up false evidence and witnesses who never knew they were supposed to be witnesses.

    The pump has been primed for ‘polite’ Australian society to have its stitched-up scapegoat to sacrifice and publicly revile for the sins (and warning) of all the Non-Leftists here.

    The US had the Biden 4 (quietly pardoned and exonerated at the end of Trump’s term), the UK had MAJ Robert Campbell (For whom, the retribution against his accusers is only just beginning), and we were set to have 2SQN SASR and a whole swathe of Hard Men. Of whom Ben Roberts-Smith VC was merely the highest-profile.

    But in typical enthusiastic-but-incompetent Australian leftist style, the attack was rushed, incoherent and reliant on Fellow Travellers within the Legal Profession to succeed. It now stands to collapse in a bawling mess when subjected to even the slightest legal rigour.

    They passed the point of no return when Brereton was assigned to the case…

  29. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Gee, Nein gets busted purveying malicious unsubstantiated fact and evidence free bollocks (again).

    Who’da thunk it?

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    After watching “Breaker Morant” last night on Netflix, I see some similarities.

    “Breaker Morant” is a very good court room drama, but it bore very little relationship to the truth. Morant’s own men testified, for example, that “the belief that secret orders existed, forbidding the taking or prisoners, was one held only by the very green and the very gullible.”

  31. billie says:

    “Roberts-Smith is a fucking arsehole, and we’re going to get him”

    sounds very Canberra public servant and the military types who have been there too long

    it’s become a swamp

    on the flip side, their children nearly all leave and rarely seem to do well. the ones who stay behind end up exactly like their parents and colleagues

  32. The BigBlueCat says:

    The pump has been primed for ‘polite’ Australian society to have its stitched-up scapegoat to sacrifice and publicly revile for the sins (and warning) of all the Non-Leftists here.

    And maybe he’ll be used as the scapegoat for the CCP: “See, here’s the one that done it. Leave the rest of us alone!”

    Personally, I want the fiercest, strongest, most skilled, best equipped, hardest, bravest and toughest soldiers in our forces – those who take crap from no one, and will fight to the death to win because we told them to. If that makes them an “arsehole”, then so be it. We don’t want some namby-pamby appeasers seeking love and affection from our enemies. If we’re in a shooting war, we’re in it to win.

    The spirit of ANZAC is certainly on the wane in our “defence” force. Trouble is, we may need the ANZAC spirit should China invade Taiwan.

  33. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Channel Nein how could we ever forget the 60 Minutes debacle of knocking to the ground the grandmother of children they were trying to snatch/kidnap from a Lebanese street?

    Are the morons who orchestrated that cleaning toilets? No siree they are still working in the media – the producer at the time was one Tom Malone who is now a head honcho of Radio for Nine with oversight of 2GB, 3AW, 4BC, 6PR and Macquarie Sports Radio – no wonder ratings are tanking.

  34. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “But that can’t be a reason to pile on and try to get him in jail for murder and bring up false evidence and witnesses who never knew they were supposed to be witnesses.”

    Why not? The progressive left and their enablers in the MSM and on social media sewers are emboldened…..this is what they did with Cardinal George Pell until the HC acquittal and they’re doing it again with Christian Porter.

    They are out to destroy.

  35. Boambee John says:

    The BigBlueCat says:
    May 13, 2021 at 1:01 pm
    Ben Roberts-Smith is being stitched up by his enemies (IMHO). After watching “Breaker Morant” last night on Netflix, I see some similarities.

    There are also major differences. There is no doubt that Morant was murdering not only prisoners, but also inconvenient witnesses ( a German missionary and his African servant). Proof of the allegations against B R-S remains to be provided.

  36. Jock says:

    Although Im not a lawyer (I have scruples) I would have thought that something wrong has been done here that should mean a solicitor or barrister is struck off or charged with contempt. Or is lying this obviously Ok for a court of law. ?

  37. PoliticoNT:

    Can be the usual Canberra-soft-Leftie, but overall a believer. Wife is senior DFAT. Certain social circles and opinions are kept though.

    Purge.
    Now.

  38. Candy:

    I understand they may not like the fellow, or don’t like his values, his wife or friends, his political beliefs etc.
    But that can’t be a reason to pile on and try to get him in jail for murder and bring up false evidence and witnesses who never knew they were supposed to be witnesses.

    They are signalling to their clique that they are fellow club members.

  39. …and they are also really cranky he’s pulled the scab off their boys club.

  40. Tintarella di Luna says:

    “So we’re not sure where they got that from, whether it was made up by them, whether they were sold a pup by somebody or whether they received information unlawfully.”

    Do I smell an ABCcess?

  41. Rex Anger says:

    Do I smell an ABCcess?

    Who knows? They’ve been trying since at least 2014 to make something stick…

  42. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    There are also major differences. There is no doubt that Morant was murdering not only prisoners

    Only one of those men was an actual prisoner. The rest were what the Boers contemptuously called “handsoppers.” They were obeying British injunctions to surrender themselves, take the oath of allegiance to the British Crown, go home and take no further part in the fighting. (Far from being the colonial version of the SASR suggested in the film, the Bushveldt Carbineers were actually a mounted constabulary, organized to accept the Boer surrenders, and escort them to the nearest British Provosts.)

    Morant’s own orderly swore to the Court’s martial that, far from the Boer prisoner Visser wearing Captain Hunt’s uniform, Morant himself was wearing that uniform at the time…)

  43. Dot says:

    The cafe owner had been reading a copy of the Telegraph and asked a question about Roberts-Smith. Colleague didn’t say much. But on the way out the door he turned to me and cursed angrily, ‘Roberts-Smith is a fucking arsehole, and we’re going to get him.’

    What the actual hell?

    These people are nuts.

    Fire them all. Show no mercy. Do what must be done, etc.

  44. Dot says:

    The rest were what the Boers contemptuously called “handsoppers.”

    Typical terrorist tactics.

  45. Dot says:

    Porter and BRS fought back.

    I would beg Dr Cdl Pell to do the same.

    It’s not actually about him, per se.

  46. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Typical terrorist tactics.

    As the descendant of one of the murdered Boers asked the author of one book on the matter “How many unarmed men do you have to shoot to be considered a war criminal?”

  47. Graham says:

    Nick McKenzie, who is old enough to have worked at The Age when it was a credible newspaper

    What is the bloke about 80 years of age?

  48. TBH says:

    Personally, I want the fiercest, strongest, most skilled, best equipped, hardest, bravest and toughest soldiers in our forces – those who take crap from no one, and will fight to the death to win because we told them to. If that makes them an “arsehole”, then so be it. We don’t want some namby-pamby appeasers seeking love and affection from our enemies. If we’re in a shooting war, we’re in it to win.

    Yes indeed. If we’re going to send young men into combat then they need to be exactly like you describe and play to win. War is hell and if we’re forced into it we should make the other side suffer much more than us.

    Channel Nein how could we ever forget the 60 Minutes debacle of knocking to the ground the grandmother of children they were trying to snatch/kidnap from a Lebanese street?

    Again, indeed. When this all blew up I remember my wife turning to me and saying something along the lines of “haven’t these clowns learned *anything* from the Lebanon story?” A fair question an it appears the answer is no. That was one of the lowest points in Australian journalism that I can remember and people should be in jail for it.

  49. Baa Humbug says:

    I understand they may not like the fellow, or don’t like his values, his wife or friends, his political beliefs etc.
    But that can’t be a reason to pile on and try to get him in jail for murder and bring up false evidence and witnesses who never knew they were supposed to be witnesses.

    I’ll take a shot. BRS may have written letters to the defense dept. arguing against relaxing standards to get wymynses into the commando and SAS regiments.
    The left are desperate to bring down that wall even if it means the loss of many lives and conflicts.

  50. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    That was one of the lowest points in Australian journalism that I can remember and people should be in jail for it.

    The original plan was for the children to be taken down to Beirut harbor, and put on a fast motorboat to Cypress. Instead, everything was delayed while 60 minutes filmed the reunion of mother and children. They then had the mother ring their father, and tell him she had the children. The Lebanese cops traced the call….
    The 60 minutes team then flew home, swilling champagne in business class, and leaving those who they had hired to kidnap the children in Lebanon, in jail…

  51. another ian says:

    Re The BigBlueCat says:
    May 13, 2021 at 3:08 pm

    Wasn’t 1984 but still Orwell

    ““We sleep soundly in our beds, because rough men stand ready in the night to do violence on those who would harm us”
    Orwell cited Kipling’s phrase “making mock of uniforms that guard you while you sleep” (Kipling, Tommy), and further noted that Kipling’s “grasp of function, of who protects whom, is very sound. He sees clearly that men can be highly civilized only while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them.” (1942)”

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7294276-we-sleep-soundly-in-our-beds-because-rough-men-stand

  52. Rex Anger says:

    I’ll take a shot. BRS may have written letters to the defense dept. arguing against relaxing standards to get wymynses into the commando and SAS regiments.

    Worse- He may well have said something to that effect, withon earshot of some Comrade Bugman.

    And was probably disparaging in some (imaginated) way about said Comrade Bugmen as he said it.

    Given that modern Bugmen can randomly self-trigger more reliably than old, weepy gelignite, just being in the same Grid Square as one isngrounds for disaster.

  53. Dot says:

    “How many unarmed men do you have to shoot to be considered a war criminal?”

    Fortunately we can’t interrogate the Boer free shooters anymore.

  54. jupes says:

    “How many unarmed men do you have to shoot to be considered a war criminal?”

    It is not against the rules of war to shoot unarmed men.

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    It is not against the rules of war to shoot unarmed men.

    Two twelve year old boys? A fourteen year old girl? Rolph Van Staden, forced to dig his own grave, and those of his two sons, before all three were shot?

  56. FlyingPigs says:

    You may well wonder how much ‘cheque-book journalism’ has occurred in the demonic pursuit of BRS.

  57. PeterW says:

    It is not against the rules of war to shoot unarmed men.

    It is once they have surrendered and that surrender has been accepted

    If you are dealing with people who had a reputation for using the white flag to persuade your troops to come out into the open, before opening fire on them – as some Boers were alleged to have done – or those who had a similar reputation for using surrender to get a hidden explosive device close to your troops prior to detonation – as did the Japanese and certain Islamics – then you cannot be expected to operate on the assumption that a man with his hands up is disarmed.

    An enemy is not “unarmed” until he has been searched and verified to be so, a process that can involve unacceptable risk to those doing the searching. The rules of war are not a command to commit suicide.

    Morant’s crime was not killing “unarmed” Boers, but those whose surrender had been accepted and their status confirmed.

    For our troops in Iraq and Afghan, the rules on use of force were not limited to visual sighting of weapons in the possession of a potential enemy. When a car or motorcycle can be used as a weapon, or a lethal weapon concealed beneath clothes, other indications must be used. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time may sound harsh, but the population there have been at war for a long time, and know the rules.

  58. old bloke says:

    another ian says:
    May 13, 2021 at 7:50 pm

    He sees clearly that men can be highly civilized only while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them.” (1942)”

    Some years ago I was working as a contractor for the SASR at their Swanbourne Barracks (IT and communication networks upgrades). Before I started I had a preconception that I would be working with Rambo type characters, I was wrong.

    The guys I met there were quietly mannered, unostentatious and decent guys, probably more “civilized” than the general public.

  59. The BigBlueCat says:

    Morant’s crime was not killing “unarmed” Boers, but those whose surrender had been accepted and their status confirmed.

    Re: Breaker Morant and evidence that he was following orders (as perhaps BRS might have been):

    See here

    For our troops in Iraq and Afghan, the rules on use of force were not limited to visual sighting of weapons in the possession of a potential enemy. When a car or motorcycle can be used as a weapon, or a lethal weapon concealed beneath clothes, other indications must be used. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time may sound harsh, but the population there have been at war for a long time, and know the rules.

    In guerilla warfare, there are no rules other than “kill the enemy”. While we should be appalled at the murder of actual, surrendered combatants who do not represent a threat, it is clear that in the annals of warfare, there have been many occasions of “take no prisoners”, including those who had clearly surrendered.

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