The Teachers Federation is far more dangerous to children

The government is going to target this religious community based on one event. I mean, there’s glassing and fights in pubs every day across Australia and we haven’t closed all the pubs down.”

– President of Turbans 4 Australia, Amar Singh, is right

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172 Responses to The Teachers Federation is far more dangerous to children

  1. Albatross says:

    Apply the exemption across the board and we’ll talk.

  2. Steve trickler says:

    Gee whiz. Comparing pubs to a school.

    Was the school selling schooners at the canteen?

  3. John Brumble says:

    Albatross.

    No, I’m happy for only the Sikh children to have knives. The Sikh know all about a certain type of extremism and have fought against it for hundreds of years.

  4. Primer says:

    Religious posturing is endless and arrogant. I couldn’t give a rat’s arse what fatuous excuse you have for special knife carrying rules for Sikhs at NSW schools
    It’s the old story, you don’t want the cultural norms of Australia, depart for the Punjab asap. Please.

  5. C.L. says:

    I noticed last night the Sky team pushing the now former exemption for Sikhs as an example of left-wing culture in schools gone mad etc.

    That’s not how I see it.

    The ban is left-wing culture gone mad.

    Somebody was stabbed – let’s ban it!!

    It’s a shame the NSW government won’t ban the filth and lies being taught to children in NSW schools. Berejiklian is such a fraud.

  6. John Brumble says:

    Primer,

    Take your racist claptrap and shove it up your arse.

  7. Zyconoclast says:

    Primer says:
    May 18, 2021 at 2:10 pm

    ➕💯

  8. C.L. says:

    Sikhs are welcome in this country, as far as I’m concerned.

    They don’t want to be poofter Skips – good for them.

    This just in:

    Gladys Berejiklian says the government is considering ‘symbols and other equivalent gestures’ to replace weapons.

    Note (as usual) that there are only women in this story – the minister, the Premier etc. Always panicking about ‘safety’ 24/7.

  9. Dot says:

    When I was a little kid, I took a knife to school…to cut up apples.

    This was normal.

    This is normal.

    If you are a violent criminal, you should go to gaol.

    Normal people use knives all of the time.

    My HS science teachers used to blow shit up… they’d probably be liable for terry wrist offences now.

    Democracies can go a little mad.

    Hopefully it ends like Radiohead’s Karma Police , for a minute there, we lost ourselves.

  10. Dot says:

    Beryl Gladischlockian does not represent our “cUlTuRaL nOrMs!”, FFS.

  11. Sunbird says:

    Why should only Sikhs have the exemption?
    Either let everyone carry a knife or no one.
    Same situation with bike helmets. If a sink is allowed to ride without a helmet we all should.

  12. Roger says:

    Mr Singh has a point; a blanket ban on the basis of one incident is a knee-jerk reaction. And really, did nobody think to consult the Sikh community? Or is there something more sinister afoot? Teachers’ unions and public education bureaucracies are not generally known to be sympathetic to the freedom of religious belief, which freedom includes the right to manifest those beliefs publicly.

  13. Old School Conservative says:

    No school aged child should be allowed to carry a weapon to school.
    Most are either too young or too testosterone driven to be sensible about their use.
    I’m surprised there haven’t been any incidents before now.

  14. tgs says:

    Jesus, some of you pick some fucking bizarre hills to die on.

  15. Baa Humbug says:

    It never ends well when governments make special rules for religion.
    We multi-culti innit?
    Today sikhs want to carry knives into schools.
    Tomorrow the muzzies will want to behead sheep on the mosque footpath.
    The day after, that nice Afghani gentleman will demand no punishment for practicing bacha bazi on the neighbours 9 year old son. It’s his culture innit?

    The side effect of being multi-culti is everyone has to be told “NO, FUCK ORRFFF”.

  16. C.L. says:

    Why should only Sikhs have the exemption?

    Maybe because they have the balls to demand it – unlike the millions of whipped Anglo-Aussie fathers who would never dream of angering Mum by getting their son a pocket knife.

  17. C.L. says:

    Or is there something more sinister afoot?

    Bingo.
    This week it’s the kirpan.
    Next month it’s the New Testament.

    Safety.

  18. Dot says:

    Old School Conservative says:
    May 18, 2021 at 2:25 pm
    No school aged child should be allowed to carry a weapon to school.
    Most are either too young or too testosterone driven to be sensible about their use.
    I’m surprised there haven’t been any incidents before now.

    This is silly. Were you afraid of your kids intentionally killing you when you taught them how to drive?

  19. Roger says:

    Sikhs are welcome in this country, as far as I’m concerned.

    Sikhs have been in NSW & QLD since the 1890s. Woolgoolga near Coffs Harbour – where they grow bananas & blueberries -is a major centre & has been for generations. They aren’t johnny come latelys and have made a solid contribution.

  20. Dot says:

    We cannot risk the outcome of a “risk-free” society.

    Communism was an attempt at government guaranteed abundance – always an epic fail.

  21. Mother Lode says:

    Seems simple – let the non-Sikh kids come to school with guns.

    I mean, these people are demanding that their kids be armed beyond the means of the non-Sikh peers. How about if the other kids were armed beyond the means of theirs.

    Would they still feel as content?

  22. Leigh Lowe says:

    They could always fuck off back to India …

  23. Fair Shake says:

    Geez, if you can’t stab a fellow student in the name of religious honour what is the point of having a religion ? Turning us further into a Halal-nanny state.

  24. Roger says:

    …some of you pick some fucking bizarre hills to die on.

    There are several overlapping issues here.

    You can find them all in the file labelled nanny state.

  25. duncanm says:

    They clearly haven’t watched John Wick, or pencils would be banned.

  26. calli says:

    All the little boys need to leave their knives at home.

    Or

    All the little boys may take knives to school.

    I don’t care whether they’re Sikhs or Calathumpians. This was bound to happen.

  27. Fat Tony says:

    Hey what’s the problem here – don’t you all remember the knife fights you had as a teenager? It’s all a part of growing up…. (h/t USA cop vs stabby girl in pink)

    (Just as a matter of interest, was his playmate a moosley by any chance??)

  28. Leigh Lowe says:

    What next?
    Banning Moosley kids from bringing IEDs to school?

  29. The Sheriff says:

    So Sikhs can’t carry knives at school, but AEU ideologue teachers can encourage primary schoolkids to go to adults with knives to cut off their genitalia or breasts to experiment with being trans.

    Which one should parents fear more?

  30. Lysander says:

    Wasn’t there something about a teenager wearing a knife with his kilt to a ball or something?

  31. Leigh Lowe says:

    calli says:

    May 18, 2021 at 2:52 pm

    All the little boys need to leave their knives at home.

    Or

    All the little boys may take knives to school.

    I’ll take option A please calli.
    The ‘ligious leaders should have seen this coming and conceded to a bit of cultural assimilation.
    For example, tweaking their stupid medieval customs a bit to allow kids to carry a harmless painted cardboard replica.
    After all, it is only symbolic, right?

  32. Leigh Lowe says:

    Fully sikh.

  33. JohnJJJ says:

    I am on the Sikh’s side in this one. Overall their society is valuable, ethical and hardworking. There is never equity when it comes to religion. Some religions and cultures are just better than others. Otherwise ban scissors and any implement that can be used in a school fight.

  34. calli says:

    A sgian-dubh.

    For when Teacher confiscates your claymore.

  35. Mustapha Bunn says:

    Lots of knives in UK schools…. lots of stabbings as well.And before anyone jumps in I know most if not all the stabbings are not done by Sikhs .

  36. The Barking Toad says:

    Ban pointed sticks.

    And bananas.

  37. calli says:

    I don’t care how valuable to society they are.

    I don’t want my grandchild going to school where some children are allowed to carry weapons because “religion”.

    I already have grandchildren going to a school that’s fortified like Fort Knox because of another “religion”. One that’s intent on killing them.

    Leave the knives at home. It isn’t a lot to ask.

  38. duncanm says:

    calli says:
    May 18, 2021 at 3:12 pm
    ..
    Leave the knives at home. It isn’t a lot to ask.

    guess that rules out cooking in Home Ec.

  39. calli says:

    Wow.

    That killed my argument.

  40. The Barking Toad says:

    A long long time ago, in another galaxy, when I was at primary school, every kid had a pocket knife. Same in secondary school.

    Fights were with fists or clumsy wrestling.

    Any kid who pulled out a pocket knife in these disputes would be disciplined by all the kids standing round in a circle shouting “fight, fight….”

  41. Fat Tony says:

    calli says:
    May 18, 2021 at 3:21 pm
    Wow.
    That killed my argument.

    I’ve never seen an argument destroyed so quickly and comprehensively before.
    An outstanding effort – totally deserving of an elephant stamp.

  42. Lysander says:

    Yeah, fair effort Duncan.

  43. calli says:

    Don’t forget the sparkles, Tony.

    Seriously though, a Home Ec classroom is slightly more tightly controlled than the playground.

    Unless they’re going Full MasterChef. Then all bets are off.

  44. Primer says:

    “Sikhs are welcome in this country.”

    Give me strength. This has nothing to do with Sikhs being acceptable immigrants, it’s about whether all children can carry knives at school because that’s the condition that stops a two or three tiered knife carry policy. Special rules for special folks is the corruption of the ages. No to Scotsmen kiddies carrying garter knives also.

  45. calli says:

    Good grief. I see I should make free-er use of the /sarc tag.

  46. calli says:

    I love all the Colonel Blimping about “in my day”.

    It isn’t “your day” any more, like it or lump it. Our society plays by completely different rules, especially those contests of “manliness”.

  47. feelthebern says:

    Great thread.

  48. Bruce in WA says:

    I have read previously (though can’t vouch for the truth of it), that an acceptable compromise is and always has been a kirpan for kids that cannot be withdrawn from its scabbard; i.e. welded or riveted in place. Fulfils religious requirements but is no longer a weapon.

  49. Primer says:

    There’s always a way Bruce…that’ll do fine,

  50. Dot says:

    In my day you weren’t a man until you made the eight.

    Did you ever make the eight, Ser Bern?

  51. calli says:

    Bruce, a perfect compromise.

    Let’s see if these ornaments to our society agree to it. If they do…kudos.

  52. feelthebern says:

    Rowing sounds kind of gay.

  53. Lee says:

    I don’t believe any children should be allowed to carry knives to school.
    No exemptions.

  54. Dot says:

    LOL!

    Hoist by own petard…err, I’ll stop.

    Soon.

  55. Primer says:

    Oh, and Brumble…….go and fornicate with a dead emu.
    You’re a Section 18 c wanker.

  56. feelthebern says:

    Shotgunning a tooheys new made you a man at my school.

  57. billie says:

    my understanding, and it may be incorrect, is that these days the knife (kirpan) is just for religious ceremonies

    carrying an image of the knife, which symbolises defending the weak from injustice, is sufficient

    when I’ve been in India, and the Punjab, and asked sikhs if they have a knife, because I can’t see one being worn, they usually show you their iron bangle with an engraving of a knife on it, or their comb with a carving of the knife in it

    they are not all walking around with a knife as it’s not necessary to meet their religion’s rules

    anyone actually carrying a knife, to defend the weak, who then attacks someone with it is not holding up any Sikh principles as far as I understand them

    however, we do allow all manner of religious symbols/devices these days so it should be interesting seeing how this is settled and what simmering anger and hatreds are left afterwards

    there are no winners here

    tbh, sikhs have to back down and admit, they do not need to carry an actual knife and that an image will suffice

    if they insist they HAVE TO carry a knife, then there will be a tidal wave of demands from everyone else for similar special treatment

  58. Stanley says:

    As of 2016, the TSA explicitly prohibits the carrying of “religious knives and swords” on one’s person or in cabin baggage and requires that they be packed in checked baggage

    Have them check their kirpans into storage at the school gate and retrieve them to do their whittling on the way home.

  59. Dot says:

    I don’t have a knife.

    I have a survival flint sparker and a survival whittling device.

  60. Professor Afred Lenin says:

    If they insist the kids carry Knives theSimple solution is, return to their country where its legal and the probem is solved , the planes that bring the covid carriers ere by the hundreds go back empty , plenty of room for returnees . Vaccinate them before vthey go with J&J one shot vaccine.

  61. Primer says:

    Stanley…yeah,sure…the Sikhs militants would love that, pay homage to us by collecting our knives, have a system in place to give them back to us.
    F*ck off, leave then at home like every sensible non attention seeking kiddie would.
    It’s the vomit posing that means we have brought India with us, you don’t matter.

  62. JC says:

    The teachers unions in the English speaking world are a cancer and unless they are destroyed wholesale they will destroy us.

    As some people say, there is systemic racism in the US. It most certainly exists and it’s created and kept going by the teachers unions.

  63. BrettW says:

    Hadley read out a letter from 2007 by head of all Sikh groups in Oz which basically said kirpan should not be taken to school. Mentioned what happens if other kids overpowered him and got his knife and used against him.

    The current group having us on.

  64. Roger says:

    Let’s see if these ornaments to our society agree to it.

    Would’ve been nice if they were asked.

  65. duncanm says:

    really – I was just taking the piss.

    I agree that *weapons* should not be allowed in schools, however trying to pretend that it makes the whole school environment safe is dreamland.

    The Sikhs should remove the pointy tip and sharp edge – make a kiddy-safe version – then they can keep their religious symbol and its no longer a ‘weapon’ as such.

  66. calli says:

    duncanm says:
    May 18, 2021 at 4:10 pm
    really – I was just taking the piss.

    So was I, until I wasn’t.

    I meant what I said about Home Ec, too.

    Never go Full MasterChef.

  67. Primer says:

    Needs more attention.
    18c John seems a bit shy.

    Primer says:
    May 18, 2021 at 2:10 pm
    Religious posturing is endless and arrogant. I couldn’t give a rat’s arse what fatuous excuse you have for special knife carrying rules for Sikhs at NSW schools
    It’s the old story, you don’t want the cultural norms of Australia, depart for the Punjab asap. Please.

    John Brumble says:
    May 18, 2021 at 2:14 pm
    Primer,
    Take your racist claptrap and shove it up your arse.

    Primer says:
    May 18, 2021 at 3:43 pm
    Oh, and Brumble…….go and fornicate with a dead emu.
    You’re a Section 18 c wanker.

  68. calli says:

    Would’ve been nice if they were asked.

    Would’ve been even nicer had they volunteered.

    And don’t get me wrong on this, I’ve not met many Sikhs but those I have met have seemed quite innocuous and pleasant. New Broom went to school with one, and they aren’t above compromise – the lad had his hair wrapped up in a bun under the boater. No turban. Given that, I would be astounded if he carried a functioning knife to school.

    Our children deserve better than fearing death or mutilation in the playground because…differences.

  69. calli says:

    And that feeds straight in to C.L.’s premise about the Teacher’s Federation.

    Can’t argue with that.

    So we need to agitate about making our schools safe for our children from both pupils and nutty teachers. Which means actual parental involvement in the education of our children. So get off the backside and head down to your local school and pop onto a committee and start stirring. That way you can keep them under your watchful gaze.

  70. bespoke says:

    Lee says:
    May 18, 2021 at 3:42 pm
    I don’t believe any children should be allowed to carry knives to school.
    No exemptions.

    +1 plus no jewelry and mandatory uniforms.

  71. Roger says:

    So we need to agitate about making our schools safe for our children from both pupils and nutty teachers.

    It’s not just nutty teachers. That those national curriculum review proposals were seriously put forward indicates how deep the rot in the education system goes.

  72. jupes says:

    The ban is left-wing culture gone mad.

    No. Different rules for different cultures is stock-standard left-wing culture.

    It cannot be allowed.

  73. Dot says:

    The best way to stop school damaging children is to shut them all down, or at least homeschool.

    Be the change you want to bring about.

    🤭🤓🤔🧙✨🤗🌻👌🥳

  74. feelthebern says:

    Why don’t we give all kids knives?

  75. I mean, there’s glassing and fights in pubs every day across Australia and we haven’t closed all the pubs down

    He’s comparing apples with dollhouses there.
    As a consequence of glassings, glass is banned in many venues (not just pubs) & in many circumstances.

    Glass someone & you’re probably off to gaol, if not, you’ll find you’re barred from the pub.

    No, there are not glassings every day in pubs.
    Mr. Singh knows this, hence he winds the word “fights” into the phrase.

    Glassings are a comparatively rare event – there may not even be one every year, never mind every day.

    Does Mr. Singh want a quick comparison on which results in the more hospitalisations, schoolyard religious/ethnic fights vs. pub glassings?

  76. PeterW says:

    I’d expect better from the Cats.

    Firstly the willingness to focus on inanimate objects instead of the moral behaviour of human beings.
    Secondly the failure to understand how seriously weapon-control laws have failed all around the world.

    Yes, it takes a certain degree of objectivity. The same objectivity that we decry the lack thereof in so many of our opponents.

    Yes… I carried a pocketknife for most of my secondary. Never saw anyone stabbed, in spite of bullying being rife. Never even HEARD of anyone being stabbed.

    Don’t give me the pathetic “if it saves one life” argument, either. There is no such thing as the free lunch. If you look at what is killing our school-age kids now, it isn’t Sikhs with ceremonial knives… Rather, it can be tracked back to a failure to teach kids self-control and a certain degree of robustness. If you cannot teach them to behave with a glorified pencil-sharpener, don’t pretend to be astonished when they misbehave with cars, alcohol and drugs a few years down the track.

  77. C.L. says:

    Give me strength. This has nothing to do with Sikhs being acceptable immigrants…

    Yes, we know. I was responding to your remark about a super hard-working, law-abiding demographic being expelled from Australia.

    Why don’t we give all kids knives?

    All boys used to be given knives. When Dad gave me my first pocket knife, I was thrilled. That was before Gladys and her chief adviser – Karen – made Australian men change their shameful ways. We had gings too and could shoot the head off an innocent maggie from 100 metres. (Slight exaggeration).

    The point is this is apparently the first stabbing involving one of these knives – ever. Not something to have a cow about.

    The same people who condemn the actuarial irrationality of the gun ban are now demanding a kirpan ban. That’s straight-up Howarding.

  78. Roger says:

    The same people who condemn the actuarial irrationality of the gun ban are now demanding a kirpan ban. That’s straight-up Howarding.

    “Howarding.”

    LOL.

  79. Primer says:

    ” about a super hard-working, law-abiding demographic being expelled from Australia.”

    🙂 … you aren’t serious I know, it’s a weak rhetorical device perhaps. My comment is about leaving voluntarily, by choice, if you can’t hack our cultural norms….nothing to do with expulsion, simply going somewhere compliant with you culture.
    But you knew that.

    I see the silliness of much core libertarian logic here. Conflating knife bans in schools with Howard’s firearms nonsense is cute ….alas for you, I believe most of Australia will see that as very silly.

    Plus: the idea there is some sort of effective firearms “ban” in Australia is risible. You mean essentially a semi auto ban, I own 8 centrefire rifles and 1 rimfire….. 5 more than I owned in 1996. Some ban.

  80. calli says:

    The same people who condemn the actuarial irrationality of the gun ban are now demanding a kirpan ban. That’s straight-up Howarding.

    I’m not demanding anything other than equal treatment. See my first comment on the subject.

    Not something to have a cow about.

    Unless you’re the parent of the seriously injured pupil? It may be the first but it won’t be the last. I agree with PeterW – it’s a self-control issue.

  81. calli says:

    Lol. Not me having a “cow”.

    Children need to be taught self-control. Sadly their teachers by and large have none to spare.

  82. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “PeterW says:
    May 18, 2021 at 5:14 pm”

    Good comment.

  83. C.L. says:

    I would never accuse you of having a cow, Calli.

    (◕‿◕)

  84. Dot says:

    I see the silliness of much core libertarian logic here. Conflating knife bans in schools with Howard’s firearms nonsense is cute ….alas for you, I believe most of Australia will see that as very silly.

    Most of Australia are cheering on MMT, fascism and gun bans.

    Knock it off.

  85. calli says:

    Ahahaha! Moo-wah! (As Ellie would say).

    Fortunately we are discussing Sikhs and not Hindus.

  86. Primer says:

    Dot….unfortunately the old days of traditional Australian cultural norms and values are gone.
    Now IQ 66 mutant f*ckwits like Bryant need to be prevented from getting firearms.
    If you have a better way than “licensing” I’m all ears.

  87. Roger says:

    My comment is about leaving voluntarily, by choice, if you can’t hack our cultural norms….

    Isn’t freedom of religion one of our cultural norms?

    Or if “most of Australia” disagrees with that do we now dispense with it?

  88. Write says:

    “Isn’t freedom of religion one of our cultural norms?”Or if “most of Australia” disagrees with that do we now dispense with it?”

    Basically yes. Variations that don’t kill people fine.
    Variations that kill people not fine.
    This is not a difficult concept.

  89. luke73 says:

    I’m thankful we have the semi auto ban in Australia cos I reckon it’s saved a lot of innocent lives over the last 25 years BUT if they were legal I would totally get an AK (cos they look cool) or AR15 and plenty of ammo, locked up but easy to hand in case of zombie apocalypse or whatever….. I remember when you could buy guns and ammo in the Kmart sport section, seems another age ago now.

  90. another ian says:

    Heard anything from the “Educators Union”?

  91. bespoke says:

    I was going as whats the alternative name for metallic things people hang of appendages that do not contain the letter J so to not put me in moderation.

    all good.

  92. Roger says:

    This is not a difficult concept.

    Sikhism does not condone murder.

    This is not a difficult concept.

  93. Bruce in WA says:

    OK, so apparently we can’t say “f**k” anymore (full version).

    So, to repeat:

    luke73: Go and fornicate with yourself.

    Halfwits like you shouldn’t be allowed in the same postcode as a firearm, let alone own one. Unless, of course, you forgot the /sarc tag.

  94. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “BUT if they were legal I would totally get an AK (cos they look cool) or AR15 and plenty of ammo, locked up but easy to hand in case of zombie apocalypse or whatever”

    How very revealing.

  95. Ed Case says:

    Freedom of Religion also implies Freedom from Religion.
    Wearing a ceremonial knife to a State School because it’s part of your fucking religion?
    Wake up to yourself.

  96. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Wake up to yourself.”

    When will you?

  97. Ed Case says:

    Sikhism does not condone murder.

    You don’t say, Roger?
    Yet there are 4 Victorian cops that are never going home from work.

  98. Roger says:

    Tell us, Ed, what else that offends you would you like to ban from the public space?

  99. Herodotus says:

    Those of us who grew up in the 1950s/1960s/70s recall that it was easy to have access to guns and knives, but nobody in my schools (regional and city later) had any thought of taking either to school.

  100. Roger says:

    You don’t say, Roger?
    Yet there are 4 Victorian cops that are never going home from work.

    Peak stupidity reached; peak idiocy approaching.

  101. calli says:

    Uh oh. I warned you.

    Peak MasterChef approaching. Beware flying cleavers.

  102. calli says:

    Lol, Roger.

  103. Dave in Marybrook says:

    But what about the toxic masculinity? Won’t somebody think of the toxic masculinity???
    h/t Mrs Lovejoy

  104. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Peak stupidity reached; peak idiocy approaching.”

    Yep.

  105. Primer says:

    Try not to be mega silly Roger.
    That ” Sikhism does not condone murder” has zero do to with school yard interactions where knives are involved.
    You idiot.

  106. Ed Case says:

    Ceremonial knives worn in State Schools will do for a start, Roger.
    Yet you support the wearing of knives in State Schools on religious grounds?

  107. Baa Humbug says:

    Roger says:
    May 18, 2021 at 6:05 pm

    Isn’t freedom of religion one of our cultural norms?

    Or if “most of Australia” disagrees with that do we now dispense with it?

    Turn it up Dodger.

    When I was a kid, I used to watch sheep getting slaughtered in the gutter. I don’t want that 3rd World crap brought here because of “muh religion”

    The concept is simple. Before you come out here, check the norms and rules of the joint. If there is anything you normally do because of “muh religion” or “muh culcha” like fvcking 10yr old boys in the arse, butchering animals in the street or slitting your teen daughters throat because she dishonored you, you need to make a decision.
    Either you abandon those practices, or stay da fug in your 3rd World shit-hole.

    If you think any of the shit you practice is good for our society, then try your best to convince us to also adopt it. But you don’t get to demand anything. At that point I tell you to get fvcked and go back where you came from.

    This was a lesson my old man taught me not long after we arrived in this amazing place.
    When I criticised Australian girls for dressing so scantily and kissing boys in public, the old man chastised me and told me to pull my head in. We came here to become Australians he said.

    An Australian I am and I don’t want 3rd World goat fvckers coming here and bringing their 3rd World crap with them.
    Kids don’t get to take knives to school and older brothers don’t get to beat the crap out of their sisters because she sat next to a boy during recess.
    Sue me for hate speech.

  108. Roger says:

    When I was a kid, I used to watch sheep getting slaughtered in the gutter. I don’t want that 3rd World crap brought here because of “muh religion”

    Look! Over there…a straw man!

  109. Ed Case says:

    A Dagger isn’t a Pocket Knife.
    The purpose of a Dagger is to stab another person in the guts.
    The shape of these particular Daggers means that stab in the guts is usually fatal.
    How’s the kid who was stabbed getting on?
    Anybody know?

  110. H B Bear says:

    Groogs at least show CL the respect of using the Terry sock.

  111. Baa Humbug says:

    Roger says:
    May 18, 2021 at 6:49 pm

    Look! Over there…a straw man!

    Dodger thinks principles are straw men.
    Dodger doesn’t believe cultural practices like slaughtering sheep in the street or carrying weapons to school should be treated with the same overarching principles.

    I’ll make it easy for Dodger to understand what those principles are.
    Fug off with your 3rd World practices. That’s the general principle.

  112. jupes says:

    Turn it up Dodger.

    Well said B.H.

  113. Fat Tony says:

    C.L. says:
    May 18, 2021 at 5:54 pm
    I would never accuse you of having a cow, Calli.

    (◕‿◕)

    No, that’s silly – it should be “Calli, don’t have a calf…

  114. Primer says:

    Ok…. as long as a significant Sikh population school, one of which my son attends, won’t ban his razor sharp Benchmade Gryptillian folding knife at school, but allow their knives……..we would’t want any Sikhs threatening an Anglo boy because they know he’s not armed….would we, comrades?

    Of course you wouldn’t.

  115. calli says:

    It isn’t me here having cows, Tony.

    I’ve milked them for all they’re worth though. 🙂

  116. Fat Tony says:

    Primer says:
    May 18, 2021 at 5:37 pm
    ” about a super hard-working, law-abiding demographic being expelled from Australia.”

    Plus: the idea there is some sort of effective firearms “ban” in Australia is risible. You mean essentially a semi auto ban, I own 8 centrefire rifles and 1 rimfire….. 5 more than I owned in 1996. Some ban.

    Yeah – risible. See how long you keep them if you ever need them to protect yourself or your family. And that day is coming.

  117. Ed Case says:

    Keep jumping that Shark, Primer.
    You know you want to.

  118. Fat Tony says:

    calli says:
    May 18, 2021 at 7:09 pm
    It isn’t me here having cows, Tony.

    I’ve milked them for all they’re worth though. 🙂

    Like here today?? 🙂

  119. See how long you keep them if you ever need them to protect yourself or your family. And that day is coming.

    +1

  120. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Either you abandon those practices, or stay da fug in your 3rd World shit-hole.

    Sir Charles Napier approached religious customs with sangfroid:

    “Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.[To Hindu priests complaining to him about the prohibition of Sati religious funeral practice of burning widows alive on her husband’s funeral pyre.]”

  121. Snoopy says:

    When I was in Form 4 in boarding school, a boy in the same dormitory who was into target shooting, kept a .22, with school approval, in his dorm locker and, Gasp! practised with it, unsupervised, on an old school range left over from WWII.

    No one died. Or even cared.

  122. calli says:

    Like here today??

    Not really. When I bring my grandchildren into my comments, I’m deadly serious.

    The bare bones of the problem are pretty clear. Some pupils in state schools are treated differently to others because of religion. Not just a matter of not attending certain classes, but being allowed to bring weapons to school. And when that is challenged, we get this:

    “[They’re] going to target this religious community based on one event. I mean, there’s glassing and fights in pubs every day across Australia and we haven’t closed all the pubs down,” Mr Singh said.

    Mr Singh said the kirpan was a sacrosanct item to the Sikh community and symbolised a stand against injustice.

    He said it was a religious requirement for baptised Sikhs and many don’t remove the item, even in their sleep.

    Not, oh sh*t, we might have to give the boys a modified kirpan because this just isn’t on. No, it’s bluster and poor victim us stuff. Not a word about the lad in hospital. (At least as reported by the ABC – there may be a statement from the Sikh community floating around about the shame and sorrow the act of violence has caused).

    Not every Sikh pupil is a sweet, productive person worthy of special consideration. Neither is every professing Christian. Except the latter would have a weapon confiscated as fadt as you could say…knife.

  123. calli says:

    Bother.

    fast

  124. Dot says:

    Primer says:
    May 18, 2021 at 6:04 pm
    Dot….unfortunately the old days of traditional Australian cultural norms and values are gone.
    Now IQ 66 mutant f*ckwits like Bryant need to be prevented from getting firearms.
    If you have a better way than “licensing” I’m all ears.

    He acquired the weapons illegally under Tassie law at the time.

    Stop bullshitting.

  125. Dot says:

    Snoopy

    My thoughts exactly.

  126. Primer says:

    “Keep jumping that Shark, Primer.”
    Happy to help Ed….. if you can find any deviation from reality rather than your polemic pretend, speak up and I can info dump you.

  127. PeterW says:

    When I was a kid, I used to watch sheep getting slaughtered in the gutter. I don’t want that 3rd World crap brought here because of “muh religion”

    Whether we call it a straw-man or a category error, the comparison you make is still fallacious.

    I can carry a knife in public without causing anyone harm or alarm.
    I cannot slaughter a sheep in a public street without causing mess and other undesirable consequences.

    One of the principles of good law is that it does not punish those who do not cause harm. It punishes the guilty and spares the innocent. You are supporting the principle of punishing those who have done no harm, put no-one at risk – because you cannot be bothered distinguishing between the two.

    That’s third-world thinking right there….

  128. Primer says:

    “He acquired the weapons illegally under Tassie law at the time.”

    Errrrrrrr….yes.
    That’s the problem that had to be fixed.
    You dunce.

  129. Primer says:

    I think you mean “legally” Dot….

  130. Dot says:

    No.

    You are wrong.

  131. Dot says:

    http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/news/the-nfa-the-big-trick-john-howard-played-on-australia

    The thing was firearms licensing had been in place in Tasmania since 1991. Martin Bryant did not possess a firearms licence. The SLR (incorrectly described by John Howard in his recent NY times piece as an SKS) used by Bryant was purchased illegally from a private individual in much the same way that illegally imported firearms are purchased by organised crime gangs to conduct their nightly drive-by raids in Western Sydney.

    The AR15 used in the Broad Arrow Cafe murders has a far more interesting history. This firearm was handed into police for destruction as part of an amnesty. Martin Bryant then allegedly purchased this firearm from a firearms dealer in Tasmania. The dealer in question was never found guilty of supplying a firearm to an individual without a firearms licence. All that is known for sure is that the AR15 was handed into the police for destruction and its next confirmed location was in the hands of Martin Bryant.

    So essentially, all the National Firearms Agreement did was make what Martin Bryant did more illegal than it already was. When you outlaw guns, you only take them off the law abiding citizens.

    How am I wrong?

    You DUNCE!

  132. Ed Case says:

    I can carry a knife in public without causing anyone harm or alarm.
    How can youknow whether you’ve caused people to be in fear or not?
    When was the last time you saw someone walking down the Main Street of town armed with a Dagger?

  133. Primer says:

    “Yeah – risible. See how long you keep them if you ever need them to protect yourself or your family. And that day is coming.”

    So Fat concedes there is no practical firearm ban for non felons / psyche cases …but it’s coming and his pretending is just part of the fiction he needs to sustain that.
    Ok..

  134. Primer says:

    “used by Bryant was purchased illegally from a private individual”

    New info for me…..
    What about the shotty and the AR10?
    But the point now is that a private selling has to go via a licenced dealer…no more private sales under the counter.
    Good outcome.
    The dunce libertarian genre are happy for pre 1996 firearms laws in 2021.

  135. Dot says:

    You are wrong. You hate freedom.

  136. Primer, you could benefit from reading the article Dot linked.

  137. bespoke says:

    Well fool me I thought there was a general consensus about being sick of the identity politics. Turns out for some that’s it’s all about the exceptions they choose.

  138. Mustapha Bunn says:

    Back in the 60’s when in the RAF we used to get Indian Air Force Aircraft visit.Piloted by Sikhs always wearing a bone dome.In their hair they had a small ribbon which I believe meant that religion wise they did not have to wear a turban. However at the time Sikh motor cyclists had an exemption from the British government which allowed them not to wear a crash helmet …..there’s always a rule for the majority that doesn’t always apply to minorities.

  139. Turtle says:

    We took our pocket knives to school sometimes. That’s what farm boys do. No big deal.

  140. That’s handy to know Mustapha Bun.
    Did the aircrew have their hair cut, or simply tied up somehow?

  141. Turtle says:

    But it was well understood that we in no way considered knives to be weapons. That culture doesn’t exist in city high schools so it must be banned across the board with no religious exceptions.

  142. Baa Humbug says:

    PeterW says:
    May 18, 2021 at 7:41 pm

    I cannot slaughter a sheep in a public street without causing mess and other undesirable consequences.

    Which means I can slaughter a sheep in my backyard for “muh religion” coz the mess is mine and I’m not harming anyone, right?

    If a husband smacks his wife around from time to time to discipline her, you reckon that’s OK too right? She believes she is benefiting because that’s what the “good book” and imam say. She isn’t being harmed.
    So, no harm. Let it ride.

    See, this is the problem in a country with immigrants from dozens of different cultures and religions. The numbers of cultural/religious practices run into the 1000’s.

    Cultural/religious practices attract some and revolt others. By allowing these practices, we create cultural/religious enclaves. This is how you end up with a Lakemba and a Broadmeadows. I go shopping at Broady and see hijabed women with bruised cheeks and black eyes but nobody bats and eye lid, it’s all so normal.

    I’m not the one with the 3rd World thinking mate. I can see the bigger picture and what the future holds.
    You? Not so much.

  143. Dot says:

    If a husband smacks his wife around from time to time to discipline her, you reckon that’s OK too right? She believes she is benefiting because that’s what the “good book” and imam say. She isn’t being harmed.
    So, no harm. Let it ride.

    Jesus, I know that sounds like a rad debating point, but that is a horrible hot take.

  144. Chris M says:

    When was the last time you saw someone walking down the Main Street of town armed with a Dagger?

    In my state this is legal if the dagger is part of a religious ceremony and you are coming from or going to said ceremony. Not sure if it needs to be concealed or if open carry is acceptable, would need to check the law. The latter has been in place for close on 30 odd years now.

  145. Chris M says:

    Baa Humbug is on fire and I’m loving it! Some good insights… the West was founded on the morals of Christianity and pagan religions aren’t a good mix, neither were they intended to be. Same goes for the atheistic faith / communism of course.

  146. Baa Humbug says:

    Dot says:
    May 18, 2021 at 8:45 pm
    Jesus, I know that sounds like a rad debating point, but that is a horrible hot take.

    here ya go dot. Its just 2 mins. Go ahead, watch it and tell me I’m being silly.
    I’ve lived it. I know where bowing to cultural/religious sensitivities leads to.

    https://twitter.com/Bella__Strange1/status/1316016761293029376?s=20

  147. Dot says:

    There’s saying “Happy Diwali” and there is condoning the stoning of sluts.

    Did the weekend drain us of all wisdom and nuance?

    the West was founded on the morals of Christianity and pagan religions aren’t a good mix, neither were they intended to be. Same goes for the atheistic faith / communism of course.

    I’ve seen people lose faith when a spouse dies…what are you going to do, ban them?

  148. Mustapha Bunn says:

    Salvatore @ 8.17pm … from memory the hair was tied with the ribbon on to the top of the head.What happened after they left the flight line I don’t know,whether they wore a full turban or not. In my home town bus/tram drivers and conductors had to wear a uniform part of which was a peaked hat. When Sikhs stated to be employed in the job they were allowed to wear a turban.

  149. Thanks Mustapha.
    I meant, Sikhs grow properfella really long hair, & wrap it up inside the turban.
    If they’re without turban, did they have their hair cut shorter, or did they tie it up in the grandaddy of ponytails or something?
    Coz a great big bun wouldn’t be able to fit under the bone dome.

  150. Chris M says:

    Morals, principles. World view if you prefer. What you hold to be right or wrong.

    It’s reflected in the Constitution and our laws, many of which come from the Old Testament / Hebrew Bible.

  151. Fat Tony says:

    Primer says:
    May 18, 2021 at 7:53 pm
    “Yeah – risible. See how long you keep them if you ever need them to protect yourself or your family. And that day is coming.”

    So Fat concedes there is no practical firearm ban for non felons / psyche cases …but it’s coming and his pretending is just part of the fiction he needs to sustain that.
    Ok..

    Primer – can you put that in understandable English please – I don’t speak Retardish

  152. Dot says:

    So Fat concedes there is no practical firearm ban for non felons / psyche cases …

    Yes there is.

    You have to show cause why you deserve one.

    The list of “legitimate” reasons is immorally short and ignores other morally justifiable reasons.

    You also can’t use them in self defence nor can you store them in a manner that would be practical to do so.

  153. Bruce Parr says:

    Every white kid should be allowed to carry a Colt Paterson to school for cultural reasons. It also was used to protect the good from the bad.

  154. Primer says:

    Alas Sal…..” The dunce libertarian genre are happy for pre 1996 firearms laws in 2021.”
    Wailing about the fading of the light won’t cut it.

    Tell me how in 2021 the Libertarians stop another Bryant without licensing changes as as a start?

  155. Davey Boy says:

    simple solution, create categories of knives, based on size or even just how they look, and establish a licensing regime which requires both a genuine need and special reason for owning a particular category of knife, and mandate secure safe storage with separation of knife and handle within that storage, subject to random inspection by police for purposes of establishing compliance, then implement a requirement for licensed knife holders to have membership of an accredited knife organisation (e.g. throwing, collecting), with at least a minimum of attendances each year at said organisation to be mandatory and audited, and then of course ensure all knifes are to be registered. The intention to purchase and use a knife must be subject to an application and background check / approvals process, with a cooling-off period. Each knife can only be used for its intended purpose as stated on the original application form, and cannot be handled by anyone who is not appropriately licensed for that category of knife. Criminalise the ownership of ‘knife precursors’ that is anything that could be described as components or tools which could be used to manufacture a knife. Etc.
    That’ll stop knife crime, in its tracks, and make us all so much safer.

  156. Dot says:

    There have been mass shootings since the NFA.

    There were mass shootings before the NFA.

    Institutionalise those who need it and root out religious terrorism.

    Guns galore in the 1950s. Mass shootings?

  157. Primer says:

    Dot wants a SD category and he’ll be happy.
    That means no minor hoop jumping as now and easy guns for all.
    Do it and see how that works out over 5 years.
    I’m game.

  158. Ed Case says:

    In my state this is legal if the dagger is part of a religious ceremony and you are coming from or going to said ceremony. Not sure if it needs to be concealed or if open carry is acceptable, would need to check the law. The latter has been in place for close on 30 odd years now.

    In other words, in some Temple carpark.
    Somehow or other, that got extended to pupils in State Schools.
    Insane..

  159. Rabbi Putin says:

    The best way to defend yourself against a weapon is with another weapon. Teach kids to use weapons.

    And get the women out of education.

  160. Rafiki says:

    There is of course one group of people in respect of whom their being, without regard to their wishes, cut with knives is culturally required, and, while unlawful, the practice is tolerated. This group is young girls, predominantly Muslim, who are subject to genital mutilation, a practice designed to suppress their enjoyment of sexual intercourse.

    I cite this to suggest that there are cultural or religious practices that deserve to be banned. The question then is which ones. I’m with those who would ban schoolchildren carrying daggers and probably all knives to school.

  161. Tel says:

    Dot is completely correct.

    A desperately needed modern charity should be called “A knife for every child”.

    Part of education really … if it only saves one lad from growing up as a limp dishmop then it’s worth it. How are we going to appropriately deal with a risky, dangerous world unless we do a few dangerous things as kids?

  162. Helen says:

    I have in my possession a rifle supposedly destroyed at Berrimah NT by the police which I legally purchased from a large gun dealer in Qld. When I came to register it they had to put an asterisk next to the serial number. I suspect it was not uncommon. Probs for the Christmas Party Fund.

  163. When my dad was in NSW Plod, a comrade of his had the task of accompanying a Sergeant on a boat into Sydney harbour, to drop over the side various surrendered firearms, mostly pistols handed in by widows & others who’d found scary guns in their house.

    Before being slung over the side each pistol was carefully inspected. The Constable ‘witness’ wondered why – for a split second – the pistols in working order (many were rusty or otherwise damaged) & those with value, were being placed carefully in a calico bag.

    When he saw the look he was getting, the Sarge returned a pragmatic look & winked.

  164. Wallace says:

    Stanley Rogers or nothing.

  165. Bad Samaritan says:

    Haven’t really been following this story too closely, but am currently driving about in chilly western Qld, and heard a 5 second grab about it on the radio….

    My questions concerning all this knife-carrying is as follow…..When I stop at some rest area or picnic spot and pull my (very sharp, and serrated) knife out to cut the bread and cheese and fruit, would this cause any other folk in said spots to quake in fear? Should I become alarmed if someone steps from a caravan with a knife (or very sharp fork, even) in hand? Should all these potentially murderous implements be banned?

    Of course I take precautions such as not looking directly at any other picnickers lest they take offence and lunge at me with their blades, but is this really enough?

  166. Ed Case says:

    Australia 2021 [or even 1921] isn’t The Frontier, there’s no reason for anyone to be walking around in public wearing a knife in a scabbard.
    Here’s the problem with carve outs for Religious and Cultural reasons:

    There’s not one Law for everybody anymore, and politically favoured groups become Exempted from being subjected to the Law.

  167. DP says:

    Dear Currency Lad

    When I were a lad in prison, as we affectionately called boarding school, I had a sheath knife which I kept in my tuck box, which, if I was carrying in public today would have the police going in to major incident mode and calling out the SWAT team and helicopters. Admittedly it was part of my Scout’s uniform. Another lad had a kukri in his tuck box, which definitely wasn’t part of his.

    On Sundays he would get it out and hone the blade and we would queue up to feel its keenness and favoured friends might get to do a bit of honing. It was no problem as far as the Housemaster or Matron was concerned. Today: see above.

    This was not long after the War had ended. Things were so much better then. Now the police are called when ‘hurtful’ words are typed.

    A friend once went to a dinner at the House of Commons in full dress kilt. Sadly, his sgian dubh was a shade of the real thing.

    How far we have sunk to a level at which only criminals are allowed weapons and no one else is allowed anything dangerous. Except cars. And knitting needles.

    Do Australian kids knit?

    DP

  168. Rex Anger says:

    Australia 2021 [or even 1921] isn’t The Frontier, there’s no reason for anyone to be walking around in public wearing a knife in a scabbard.

    Welp, maybe not where you live Gypsum-snorter.

  169. rickw says:

    What about Aussie Kids right to carry around a ceremonial No.1 Mk.III ????

    Equality or nothing!

  170. Rex Anger says:

    What about Aussie Kids right to carry around a ceremonial No.1 Mk.III ????

    Equality or nothing!

    Working, right?

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