The covid panic: totalitarian and unethical

Some British scientists have second thoughts about the totalitarian and unethical methods used by the Government in the pandemic panic.

Scientists on a committee that encouraged the use of fear to control people’s behaviour during the Covid pandemic have admitted its work was “unethical” and “totalitarian”.

Members of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviour (SPI-B) expressed regret about the tactics in a new book about the role of psychology in the Government’s Covid-19 response.

SPI-B warned in March last year that ministers needed to increase “the perceived level of personal threat” from Covid-19 because “a substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened”.

Gavin Morgan, a psychologist on the team, said: “Clearly, using fear as a means of control is not ethical. Using fear smacks of totalitarianism. It’s not an ethical stance for any modern government. By nature I am an optimistic person, but all this has given me a more pessimistic view of people.”

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69 Responses to The covid panic: totalitarian and unethical

  1. Herodotus says:

    “We have nothing to fear but fear itself …. “ – wait a minute! The list of problems becomes longer on a daily basis. Dishonest and misleading media propagandists, big tech in league with extreme left politicians, governments succumbing to climate change b/s and wrecking economies, failure to adopt sensible conservative policies on any topic.
    One could go on ….

  2. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Scientists on a committee that encouraged the use of fear to control people’s behaviour during the Covid pandemic have admitted its work was “unethical” and “totalitarian”.”

    They’re late to the party.

  3. V says:

    Turns out that excess deaths in 2020 were lower than in 2017…..

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/16/e2024850118

  4. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Yeah, this is from yesterday commenting on the same article:

    Government Scientific Advisors Admit Using “Totalitarian” Fear Tactics To Control People During Pandemic, Report

    Yet another scientist on the subcommittee stated that they have been “stunned by the weaponisation of behavioural psychology” over the past year, and warned that “psychologists didn’t seem to notice when it stopped being altruistic and became manipulative.”

    Hey guys it’s been going on for a couple decades now, you just haven’t noticed. This thing called global warming climate change climate emergency climate catastrophe.

    They especially seem to target women, who are evolutionarily risk-averse and prone to herd behaviour more than men.

    Nothing unusual is happening climate-wise in the real world, the ice caps aren’t melting, dogs and cats aren’t living together. In fact there hasn’t actually been much global warming at all this century apart from UHIE from urbanization and increased agriculture. Yet the screeching is getting hysterical.

    The same with Covid, which is a serious virus but hardly at the level of any historical epidemic – small pox, bubonic plague, cholera. Yet we’ve turned civilization into a giant prison camp.

    I think the self-appointed experts have discovered what pollies did a long time ago: power is a drug. It’s also quite lucrative.

  5. Herodotus says:

    “Yet the screeching is getting hysterical.“
    Quite so.
    Is there a news service that dares to tell the truth about the climate change scam?
    I don’t mean isolated individuals, but a service that does the reverse of what the BBC, ABC and pretty much all of them do, leaving politicians to swing in the breeze if they try to counter the prevailing narrative.

  6. Herodotus says:

    For years there have been stories in the media which try to bring home to the average voter the fearfulness of rising seas. A favourite is that the home of golf, St. Andrews in Scotland, will be submerged. Another had Melbourne inundated by 2050.
    Island states in thenPacific and Indian oceans have played politics with this rising seas hypothesis despite evidence to the contrary.
    Local councils in some of our coastal regions have also tipped over the edge to such an extent that they have virtually condemned homes deemed at risk.

  7. Herodotus says:

    Back to the covid panic. We have been told that the big risk isn’t those people flattened by it but those wandering around doing normal stuff! The rash of “testing” is done to winkle out all those asymptomatic or those with sore throat and sniffles.
    I’d prefer to have one of those mild infections and get the best form of immunity rather than be a lab rat for one of these relatively unexplained vaccines – which use tactics unlike all the ones we’ve had for most of our lives.

  8. calli says:

    “Scientists on a committee that encouraged the use of fear to control people’s behaviour during the Covid pandemic have admitted its work was “unethical” and “totalitarian”.”

    Guys. Here’s a tip.

    We noticed.

  9. Judge Dredd says:

    Well it was always about totalitarian control.
    Now that data is actually coming out on excess deaths show that there was no pandemic, that it was, and continues to be, a complete lie just shows how bad these “scientists”, elite and leaders are.
    For example in this post, 2020 excess deaths in the US were not even as bad as 2017!
    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242434

  10. egg_ says:

    Gates Foundation reverses course on COVID-19 vaccine patents

    Gates opposed waiving some provisions of the World Trade Organization’s Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, or TRIPS. A waiver would allow member nations to stop enforcing a set of COVID-19-related patents for the duration of the pandemic so that low- and middle-income countries can produce or import generic versions of vaccines.

    “COVAX is failing,” said Priti Krishtel, a co-founder and co-executive director at Initiative for Medicines, Access & Knowledge.

    But Gates “doesn’t want to accept that there are any limitations to a monopoly-based model,” she said.

    Oligarch, much?

  11. egg_ says:

    Members of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviour (SPI-B) expressed regret about the tactics in a new book about the role of psychology in the Government’s Covid-19 response.

    B-Ark clown show.

  12. Roger says:

    The UK government’s SAGE scientific advisory group contains a psychology professor, Susan Michie, whose field of expertise is controlling human behaviour. She has been the leading advocate for social controls such as lockdowns and mask wearing and warned Boris Johnson that people weren’t fearful enough so such measures needed to be intensified.

    She is a 40 year member of the Communist Party.

  13. Baa Humbug says:

    Bruce of Newcastle says:
    May 19, 2021 at 7:25 am

    Nothing unusual is happening climate-wise in the real world, the ice caps aren’t melting, dogs and cats aren’t living together. In fact there hasn’t actually been much global warming at all this century apart from UHIE from urbanization and increased agriculture. Yet the screeching is getting hysterical.

    Like I’ve been saying for years, there is NO EVIDENCE that the planet has warmed by any amount. At the link is a published paper claiming temperature records show NO WARMING for the last 100 years

    Meridional Distributions of Historical Zonal Averages and Their Use to Quantify the Global and Spheroidal Mean Near-Surface Temperature of the Terrestrial Atmosphere

  14. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    I’m not feeling in a particularly forgiving mood, so if these crazed totalitarian imbeciles have admitted their behaviour is unethical, should they not receive some form of sanction or censure?

    Being hung from the neck until dead (after receiving a series of lengthy public floggings) should suffice.

  15. egg_ says:

    Coronavirus Update 118: AstraZeneca DNA COVID 19 Vaccine Explained (vs. Pfizer / BioNTech, Moderna)
    MedCram – Medical Lectures Explained CLEARLY

    AZ uses a chimp adenovirus?
    What could possibly go wrong?

  16. egg_ says:

    Being hung from the neck until dead (after receiving a series of lengthy public floggings) should suffice.

    For Medical research purposes.

  17. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    I’ve been saying for years, there is NO EVIDENCE that the planet has warmed by any amount.

    Just as there is zero evidence that human emissions of carbon dioxide drive increased temperatures anywhere on the planet.

    The entire preposterous scam is the most hysterical anti-scientific fact and evidence free load of horse shit perpetrated on an unwitting populace in human history – and it’s been going on now for over three f*cking decades.

    Unforgivable.

  18. Roger says:

    Nothing unusual is happening climate-wise in the real world…

    The lower troposphere, where humans hang out, is cooler now than in 1980.

    The weather is getting interesting: over 17 000 record low temps set in the US this winter.

  19. Boambee John says:

    egg

    AZ uses a chimp adenovirus?
    What could possibly go wrong?

    If memory serves me correctly, didn’t HIV/AIDS jump across from monkeys?

  20. egg_ says:

    Now that data is actually coming out on excess deaths show that there was no pandemic, that it was, and continues to be, a complete lie just shows how bad these “scientists”, elite and leaders are.

    I.e. Medics required to report “died with COVID” is a fraud on humanity.

    CAGW Mk.II.

    “The hole in the Ozone layer” Mk.III (we’re all gonna fry!)

    /James “Gaia” Lovelock of Oxford

  21. calli says:

    Being hung from the neck until dead (after receiving a series of lengthy public floggings) should suffice.

    You left out jumper leads. There must be jumper leads.

    It’s sciencey.

  22. caveman says:

    ScoMo has changed and is upping the anti , rona has got worser it’s deadlier than before its racing through countries like wildfire ,we all gonna die.
    I’ve had enuff of it , basically switched off.

  23. egg_ says:

    psychology professor, Susan Michie

    Like the house painter with the shoddy house.

  24. egg_ says:

    Adenovirus-vectored vaccines have been in development for a long time, in particular against malaria, HIV and Ebola. But no adenovirus vaccine has ever been approved for human use in the U.S. Some adenovirus vaccines in past trials have been simply ineffective, while others have been attacked by the body’s immune system (human adenoviruses can cause the common cold, so some people already have antibodies to these viruses). Researchers behind the Covid-19 vaccine are working around this problem by using a chimpanzee virus that few humans have antibodies to. Previous trials have shown that their vaccine triggers an immune response to Covid-19.

  25. cuckoo says:

    They “expressed regret”. That makes me feel so much better.

  26. egg_ says:

    ScoMo has changed and is upping the anti , rona has got worser it’s deadlier than before its racing through countries like wildfire ,we all gonna die.

    Globalist gimp.

    Let’s see if the airlines fillet him.

  27. cuckoo says:

    Watching a news item last night about the bravery and heroism of fit young Australian Olympians risking covid to go to the Tokyo games. Anyone would have thought they were going over the top at Fromelles.

    And one breathless news hack described the coming Tokyo games as “the most controversial Olympics ever“. Er, I can think of at least one other contender for that spot.

  28. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    “the most controversial Olympics evah”

    I haven’t watched a second of the olympics since 2004.

  29. Roger says:

    I’m not feeling in a particularly forgiving mood, so if these crazed totalitarian imbeciles have admitted their behaviour is unethical, should they not receive some form of sanction or censure?

    The Norwegian government at least had the grace to apologise to its people for locking them down.

  30. Fat Tony says:

    Boambee John says:
    May 19, 2021 at 8:48 am
    egg
    AZ uses a chimp adenovirus?
    What could possibly go wrong?
    If memory serves me correctly, didn’t HIV/AIDS jump across from monkeys?

    Looking back now – was it a natural “jump” or “gain of function”??

  31. Fat Tony says:

    Being hung from the neck until dead (after receiving a series of lengthy public floggings) should suffice.
    You left out jumper leads. There must be jumper leads.
    It’s sciencey.

    Youse are all too kind.

    The floggings followed by crucifixion should do nicely.

  32. lotocoti says:

    She is a 40 year member of the Communist Party.

    Also got £50million for the family Picasso.

  33. Boambee John says:

    Fat Tony

    Looking back now – was it a natural “jump” or “gain of function”??

    Probably natural, but it might have given some people ideas.

  34. Boambee John says:

    lotocoti says:
    May 19, 2021 at 9:18 am
    She is a 40 year member of the Communist Party.

    Also got £50million for the family Picasso.

    Which she immediately donated to a charity supporting the homeless?

    Sorry, only joking.

  35. Old School Conservative says:

    Perhaps the mice plague has a silver lining and could help the push back against government reactions to the Wuhan Flu.
    Lots of politicians and business people are getting a grounding in how to deal with the stupidity of PETA. Taking the fight to totalitarians begins somewhere. This can start by calling out the brain dead advice of the mice be gently caught and released unharmed because These bright, curious animals are just looking for food to survive,” PETA spokeswoman Aleesha Naxakis told NCA NewsWire.
    “They shouldn’t be robbed of that right because of the dangerous notion of human supremacy.”

    Perhaps a loud and successful fight against PETA can translate into a successful fight against covid totalitarianism and the climate change scam.

  36. duncanm says:

    psychologists didn’t seem to notice when it stopped being altruistic and became manipulative

    derr fred… its manipulative by definition, and its level of altruism is in the eye of the beholder.

  37. Dr Faustus says:

    ScoMo has changed and is upping the anti , rona has got worser it’s deadlier than before its racing through countries like wildfire ,we all gonna die.

    Big ScoMo is experiencing the first serious pushbacks to the Walled Garden strategy he’s been pushed into by handing political responsibility to CMO’s and the National Cabinet. And ‘his’ vaccination rollout is floundering.

    A dim bulb, he’s responding with an authoritarian version of ‘Where the bloody hell are ya?’

  38. duncanm says:

    the mice be gently caught and released unharmed

    this is a good idea.

    I suggest mice are caught in the countryside, and shipped to the following address

    219 Henley Beach Rd
    Torrensville SA 5031
    Australia

    Alternatively, if anyone knows the addresses of the board members..

  39. Richard says:

    duncanm says:
    May 19, 2021 at 9:40 am

    derr fred…

    I haven’t heard this turn of phrase since 1986.

    🙂

  40. Bruce says:

    Quelle sur$%&*ing-prise!

    As H. L. Mencken put it:

    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

    “Fear Porn).

  41. duncanm says:

    Its surprisingly hard to find comparisons of UK excess deaths vs. previous years.

    Here’s a good chart: https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/chart-of-the-week-peak-in-weekly-deaths-during-pandemic-is-among-highest-on-record-even-with-lockdown-measures

    but it only covers to ~mid 2020.

    Here’s the 2021 excess mortality. A much smaller peak in Dec through Feb’21: https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

    Looks very similar to the combined influenza deaths of winters at the start and end of 1999.

  42. duncanm says:

    Bruce says:
    May 19, 2021 at 10:01 am
    As H. L. Mencken put it:

    Mencken was a sage:

    On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

    the average man does not want to be free. he simply wants to be safe.

    The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.

    School teachers, taking them by and large, are probably the most ignorant and stupid class of men in the whole group of mental workers.

  43. billie says:

    nice, they used science against the people

    while others repeat the mantra “trust the science” on so many things

    and they wonder why that trust has been difficult to find?

    ha ha ha

    repurcussions mate

    I was listening to the radio today and lots of doctors lamenting how their patients don’t want to get vacinated, and the doctors don’t understand why.

    a bit like being a brexit, trump supporter or climate alarm sceptic, you don’t need to justify why, you just motor on and thus avoid the attacks and unpleasant angry people in life

  44. pat says:

    hoping someone will post the text of the following in today’s The Australian…it is truly frightening. heard Michael McLaren read part of it overnite, but can’t access it:

    “Canberra too late to complain about Chinese ownership of critical Australian assets”

  45. Shy Ted says:

    No panic, just fatigue. Where have these “experts” been for the last 2 or more years?

  46. Leo G says:

    Now that data is actually coming out on excess deaths show that there was no pandemic, that it was, and continues to be, a complete lie just shows how bad these “scientists”, elite and leaders are.

    It has been reported that the CDC has finally conceded that it deliberately inflated by 94 per cent the number of US deaths caused by COVID.
    This implies that at present there has been about one death caused by the vaccination for each 10 deaths caused by COVID.
    I expect as COVID death rates decline, vaccination death rates will increase to a time when vaccination deaths exceed COVID deaths.
    Don’t forget those annual vaccination booster jabs.

  47. calli says:

    It has been reported that the CDC has finally conceded that it deliberately inflated by 94 per cent the number of US deaths caused by COVID.

    Now why would that be, I wonder?

    To create a vacancy at the White House?

  48. Up The Workers! says:

    Similarly, politicians – like babies nappies – need to be changed early and often, and for exactly the same reason.

    Because they too evidently feel “insufficiently personally threatened” by the ballot box.

  49. Eyrie says:

    Being hung from the neck until dead (after receiving a series of lengthy public floggings) should suffice.
    You left out jumper leads. There must be jumper leads.

    Madame L’Ampere

    The floggings followed by crucifixion should do nicely.

    For a while, followed by impaling.

  50. Kneel says:

    “Previous trials have shown that their vaccine triggers an immune response to Covid-19.”

    Since at least the 1950’s, there have been multiple attempts to create a vaccine for corona virus’. They mostly all produced an immune response (anti-bodies), but never got past animal trials stage as they either made the response to exposure to the actual virus worse, created an auto-immune response that was debilitating and/or potentially fatal, or caused fatal vascular clotting.
    Headache and nausea – two common reactions to the CODID-19 “vaccine” – are indicative of cerebral vascular clotting, just not enough to kill you.
    We have NO data on long-term consequences of creating such an “immune response”, nor of deliberately infecting ourselves with a virus that makes the “spike protein”.

    Take this vaccine if you want – I’ll pass, thanks all the same.

  51. Kneel says:

    ” …followed by crucifixion…”

    “Crucifixion? Line on the left, one cross each…”

  52. Lee says:

    Scientists on a committee that encouraged the use of fear to control people’s behaviour during the Covid pandemic …

    Sounds exactly like the Queensland CMO.

  53. PB says:

    “You left out jumper leads. There must be jumper leads.”

    Nips or nuts?

    Both?

  54. Lee says:

    She is a 40 year member of the Communist Party.

    Also got £50million for the family Picasso.

    Then she is absolutely the worst kind of communist.

  55. duncanm says:

    Susan Michie:

    Her current research includes developing methodologies for designing and evaluating theory-based interventions to change behaviour, and advancing scientific knowledge about, and applications of, behaviour change interventions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Britain

    In March 2018, Susan Michie, a leading member of the CPB, said that the party would no longer stand against Labour in general elections. CPB members should be “working full tilt” for the election of Corbyn as prime minister, she said.

  56. Fair Shake says:

    Sky was running Thunborgs speech to some who cares in Europe. Along the lines of
    ‘ there is a climate emergency, I don’t want your hope. I want you to panic. I want you to panic as I do. The earth is on fire’.
    When quizzed at a later time under threat of legal action what studies she had read to Give her this insight she recanted her position say ‘oh it was only a metaphor’ and when pressed acknowledged she had not read any studies.
    It’s all about fear, panic with little or no evidence. Like COVID.

  57. Bad Samaritan says:

    OK, so who doesn’t know that all leftists are f’wits? And that almost everyone in the pay of govt anywhere is a leftist and a f’wit?

    So, leftists shriek against genetically-modified foods: raging against them while attacking various laboratories etc all around the world, but simultaneously bleat against anyone not caring to directly inject untested, unapproved, genetically-modified (and modifying) substances into their arms.

    On the other hand 90-95% of the general population are f’wits from the get-go, so no-one should be expecting the leftist portion to be called out by the others anytime soon.

  58. Tim Neilson says:

    The weather is getting interesting: over 17 000 record low temps set in the US this winter.

    That’s clearly because of a COVID induced dip in atmospheric CO2.
    Oh, there wasn’t a dip? It kept going up?
    Well it must be because of a dip in human produced CO2 – evil sociopathic street-gang type human produced CO2 molecules getting replaced by peaceful law-abiding natural CO2 molecules.
    What, human produced CO2 didn’t dip? Well it must be because of a dip in human produced CO2 from the evil capitalist West…

    You know it makes sense. And you know you’ll be hearing about it from the ABC and Fairfax if they’re ever forced to concede that temperatures aren’t skyrocketing the way climate alarmists said they should.

  59. Bruce says:

    Quelle sur$%&*ing-prise!

    As H. L. Mencken put it:

    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

    (Fear Porn).

  60. Boambee John says:

    Testing

  61. Bruce says:

    @ Calli:

    “You left out jumper leads. There must be jumper leads.”

    And Fargo log-chippers!

  62. Bad Samaritan says:

    Bruce 3.20pm. Yeah, and this “leading the sheep to safety” works exactly because 90-95% are sheep. Then….

    The 5-10% who are leadership material have two courses of action. If they are decent and caring they will “exploit” the timidity of the sheep by providing them with goodies the sheep are willing to pay for….. are happy with…..and thereby improve their lives whilst simultaneously improving their own. They will be capitalists.

    Or else, they take the leftist route and rip the sheep off mercilessly by lying to them, stealing their stuff, cajoling and hectoring, oppressing them and so on and so forth.

    Today, there are so few politicians who are not leftists at heart that Mencken’s observation is spot on, and can’t be otherwise.

  63. grumpy says:

    Dear PETA spokeswoman Aleesha Naxakis
    Feel free to come out to my place and all the mice you want can be gently caught there and released unharmed into your house.
    Regards
    grumpy

  64. Squirrel says:

    After the shock! horror!! report today about 30% or so of Strayans being vaccine “hesitant”, the stridency of the messaging from the globalist-corporatist manipulation machine (mainstream media) has already dialed up markedly, with stern threats and warnings being pumped out since this morning.

    The 30% figure is no surprise in light of experience in other countries, but the authoritarians are clearly angry and outraged and any suggestions that some of the incentives for vaccination now being tried in the US be given a run here have, of course, been angrily dismissed.

    The game of bluffs and threats (and the collective two-fingered salute in response from a sizeable chunk of the public) is going to get very interesting over coming weeks and months.

  65. Chris M says:

    …the mice be gently caught and released unharmed

    Well if you scoff at PETA on mice and their human equivalency you would agree we also need to cull a good number of sharks.

  66. ozmango says:

    If Psychologist Gavin Morgan is saying that he didn’t recognize such unethical totalitarian behavior last year, then he is attempting to gaslight the general public. More likely, this is a controlled release of information to see how the public reacts. UK citizens seem to be easier to control than Americans. Even the football hooligans have been brought under control. No guns.

    Sticks and stones might bruise bones, knives might cause more pain, but guns blow brains away. Think of JFK at Dealey Plaza.

    Every US politician is fully aware that they could be taken out by any number of marksmen if they push too many buttons. Even the military could turn; the reason no guns are permitted for the majority of the national guard deployed as a pretense of being protected at Washington DC.

  67. Bruce says:

    @Ozmango:

    As they say in the classics:

    “What are they planning that makes them think that the peasants will reach for the hardware when they find out what is going on?”

  68. Kneel says:

    “Nips or nuts?”

    Nips, obviously – otherwise, it would sexist.

  69. Rohan says:

    FMD. I posted the extracts from the links in this article in a post on facechook.

    Guess what?

    Post is gone from my feed. Never existed.

    We are living 1984. 37 years late.

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