Bill Muehlenberg – ‘You WILL Obey!’

Back in 1967 English actor and writer Peter Ustinov said this:

“For centuries, men were punished for having disobeyed. At [the Nuremberg Trials], for the first time, men were punished for having obeyed. The repercussions of this precedent are only now beginning to make themselves felt.”

Indeed, we are now at the place where disobedience and questioning authority are clearly virtues and not vices. This is a must as tyranny in the West is on the rise. And just how does tyranny work? We have had enough tyrants of late to know the answer to that question. Above all, they cut off the free flow of information. The State must control all information and it alone will decide what the masses are allowed to hear and see and read.

Related to this, the masses are not allowed to think for themselves. They are only allowed to think what the State tells them to think. And as a part of this, no questions are allowed. Simply do whatever Big Brother tells you to do. Blind obedience is the name of the game. Question nothing and let the State decide what is right and wrong, true and false.

Obey without questioning, in a word, is the aim of all tyrants as they seek total control of the masses. In the light of what I am about to share with you here, let me repeat this formula for tyranny: Do not think. Do not ask questions. Simply obey. Do whatever the State demands of you.

And what is it that I am going to share here? Something that has sent shivers down my spine – and it should yours as well. We have yet another big cheese who insists that when it comes to Rona vaccines, we should NOT ask any questions and just get the jab. Yes, he actually said that. The news item on this puts it this way:

A leading South Australian immunologist has urged Australians not to ask questions about the COVID-19 vaccine and just simply take the jab when it is offered to them. “We’re in the privileged position that we can be hesitant, we’ve done so well in coping with COVID the last 12, 14 months,” Professor John Hayball told Sky News. “But I would encourage everybody out there offered a vaccine, don’t ask any questions really, please take it.”

Wow. That is scary as all get out. Here we have some academic telling us plebs to just shut up, sit down, and do what he tells us to do – no questions asked. Why does this notion of ‘Do not ask any questions – just do what you are told’ seem so chillingly familiar? As one friend put it: “Don’t ask questions, just wear the gold star, and hop on that train…” It seems we have not learned the lessons of history.

Even more remarkable is the fact that what this “expert” is telling us to do is actually illegal. One simply needs to go to the Australian Government Department of Health website and examine its “Australian Immunisation Handbook”. One major section of this is called “Vaccination procedures”. A subsection of this is about “Preparing for vaccination”. And in this section we have information on “Valid consent”. This is what it says:

Valid consent is the voluntary agreement by an individual to a proposed procedure, which is given after sufficient, appropriate and reliable information about the procedure, including the potential risks and benefits, has been conveyed to that individual.

As part of the consent procedure, people receiving vaccines and/or their parents or carers should be given sufficient information (preferably written) about the risks and benefits of each vaccine. This includes:

  • what adverse events are possible
  • how common they are
  • what they should do about them

Table. Side effects following immunisation for vaccines used in the National Immunisation Program schedule can be used to inform valid consent.

Criteria for valid consent

For consent to be legally valid, the following elements must be present:

  1. It must be given by a person with legal capacity, and of sufficient intellectual capacity to understand the implications of receiving a vaccine.
  2. It must be given voluntarily in the absence of undue pressure, coercion or manipulation.
  3. It must cover the specific procedure that is to be performed.
  4. It can only be given after the potential risks and benefits of the relevant vaccine, the risks of not having it, and any alternative options have been explained to the person.

The person must have the opportunity to seek more details or explanations about the vaccine or its administration.

The information must be provided in a language or by other means that the person can understand. Where appropriate, involve an interpreter or cultural support person.

Obtain consent before each vaccination, after establishing that there are no medical condition(s) that contraindicate vaccination. Consent can be verbal or written. 

Isn’t all that interesting? Valid consent entails the ability to get detailed explanations to any legitimate questions a person might have about a vaccine and its various effects. Without all this information there is no real consent. Several things can be said about all this.

One, where did this idea of genuine patient consent come from? One of the main recent sources I have already referred to: the Nuremberg Code of 1947, part of the Nuremberg Trials that saw Nazis charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. Here is the first of its ten points:

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

Two, notice what the Australian government guide clearly says: any vaccine “must be given voluntarily in the absence of undue pressure, coercion or manipulation”. That means no carrot and no stick approaches to push vaccines on unwilling folks.

Yet this is EXACTLY what the Morrison Government – and others – have been doing. They have used promises of reward (the ability to freely travel and the like) along with threats of punishment (not being able to freely travel) to get people to be vaccinated. That is just what things like vaccine passports are all about: coercive means to effectively force people into doing what they may not otherwise freely choose to do.

So we see that the push by various governments to effectively force people to get the Rona jab is a clear violation of at least two main documents: the Nuremberg Code, and the Australian Government’s own official protocol on proper vaccination procedure.

Sorry folks, but blind obedience and a refusal to ask questions just does not cut it any longer.

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73 Responses to Bill Muehlenberg – ‘You WILL Obey!’

  1. Roger says:

    Yet this is EXACTLY what the Morrison Government – and others – have been doing.

    The Morrison government; putatively a Liberal government.

  2. Damon says:

    In the day, I used to travel extensively, occasionally to places where odd diseases might be encountered, and vaccination was advised. As far as I recall, I was never advised of any ill-effects. These were long-established vaccines (smallpox, yellow fever, etc). I also think you are incorrect, in that smallpox vaccination was required for entry to the US.

  3. Alastair McLachlan says:

    I recall, as a youngster, born in January 1957, that I had about 4 vaxxinces… how many does a child have today ??? more than 60 by the time they are 16. That is not right.

  4. C.L. says:

    “But I would encourage everybody out there offered a vaccine, don’t ask any questions really, please take it.”

    Hey John: get fucked.

  5. C.L. says:

    Great work posting that information on consent too, Bill.
    It does indeed seem the sacred WOLL-OUT is proceeding illegally.

  6. JC says:

    Cl
    Language please. It’s not that sort of blog.

    Hey John, as someone who has had the first shot and will take the second, go fuck yourself and people have a right to ask any fucking questions they choose. You dick.

  7. FlyingPigs says:

    Thanks Bill M.

    You, and others, may be interested in this post at American Thinker put up this morning,

    Don’t tell Fauci: More evidence for ivermectin

  8. Mater says:

    “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.”

    ― Thomas Jefferson

  9. Fat Tony says:

    Does anyone have an email address for this POS?

    It’s easy to see where the concentration camps and the gulags got their devoted staff – people haven’t changed in the last 80 years.

  10. Steve trickler says:

    Did Sky News challenge him in any meaningful sense? If not, they are just as hopeless as the rest of the legacy media.

    Pathetic.

  11. Fat Tony says:

    Steve T – you should know better – the MSM are the enemy of the people

  12. RobK says:

    The lack of discipline of these administrators in knowing their brief is appalling.

  13. duncanm says:

    Fat Tony says:
    May 21, 2021 at 8:20 pm
    Does anyone have an email address for this POS?

    wot did we do before the interwebs ?
    https://people.unisa.edu.au/john.hayball

    [email protected]

  14. duncanm says:

    Oh, and this nugget. Maybe Mr Hayball should state his conflict of interest?

    John is Research Professor in Immunology and Vaccinology, and Chief Scientific Officer of Sementis Ltd.

    “Who are Sementis?”, you may ask.

    Sementis Ltd is an Australian unlisted public biotechnology company based in Adelaide, South Australia and dedicated to research and development of new vaccines to tackle viruses and diseases globally.

  15. duncanm says:

    a little more info.. Sementis are all in on the viral-vector vaccines..

    We are using our proprietary Sementis Copenhagen Vector (SCV) and associated manufacturing system technology for the rapid development of effective vaccines to tackle infectious diseases of highest unmet medical need as well as vaccines for pandemic preparedness.
    ..
    About SCV
    The Sementis Copenhagen Vector (SCV) system is a next-generation viral-vector platform technology rationally designed to be safe, and drive highly effective humoral and cell-mediated vaccine responses to provide long lasting immune protection.

  16. ozman says:

    Bill Muehlenberg states clearly what many have been stating on the Cat. The strident tone of the message is increasingly becoming louder. Take the harness off! No synthetic jungle juice is needed.

    The threat of totalitarianism is the biggest issue that affects us all right now.

    Wearing diapers on our faces, curfews, lockdowns, travel restrictions and crushing small business, might seem like fun to government employees. Blinkered, like all sycophants, they do not see themselves being greatly affected. When they kill the goose that lays the eggs, they will have no one paying the tax to pay their wages. Centrelink will be finished. There will be no electricity because the Sun didn’t shine and the wind forgot to blow. And they will have no idea of how to grow their own food.

    Mandatory forced injections of an experimental therapy with questionable safety (based on the pronouncements of Dr Bill Gates and those whom he funds at the WHO) contravenes not only the Nuremberg Code but also what is written in the Australian Immunisation Handbook. 

    The evidence is this fake pandemic was being planned beforehand. Richard Rothschild registered a patent in the Netherlands for a COVID-19 test in 2015. The WITS records international sales of COVID-19 test kits in 2017-2018 that were distributed worldwide. Event 201 held in 2019 just happens to simulate what to expect when a Coronavirus pandemic occurs.

    Cardiologist Peter McCullough, being as cautious possible, says on Carlson Tucker Today

    <a href=" “something has gone off the rails in the world” with treating COVID-19, asserting he has no agenda but is “deeply concerned” about the science, medical literature and the irregular response to the virus that kept populations “in fear, in isolation and despair.”

    McCullough makes mention of the insanity found at Australia’s TGA with its restricting HCQ and Ivermectin and its overall approach to the faux COVID-19 situation. Qld’s Palaszczuk gets international fame, too.

    What we need is a clean out of all the politicians and medical officers (chief/assistant) who support this sham.

  17. Chris M says:

    Terrific Bill!

    …and any alternative options have been explained to the person.

    I’m going to print this out and have doctors explain to me the alternative options – which would be Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine at this point. In detail. And allow me to try these alternatives first.

  18. mh says:

    A leading South Australian immunologist…

    South Australian …

    lol

  19. Ubique says:

    A leading South Australian immunologist…

    The only thing SA leads in is hoovering government handouts, bludging, converting churches into gay bars, and stealing Western Australian GST.

  20. Richard says:

    There is something very sinister going on. If people can’t see this by now then I fear they will never see it. Why are governments so desperate to encourage this experimental vaccine, where is the pressure coming from? I don’t know what is happening, but I do know we should reject it.

    As Nancy Reagan said in the 80s “just say no”.

  21. Richard says:

    Terrific Bill!

    …and any alternative options have been explained to the person.

    I’m going to print this out and have doctors explain to me the alternative options – which would be Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine at this point. In detail. And allow me to try these alternatives first.

    In Queensland there is legislation banning doctors from prescribing hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin with regards to covid-19. I’m guessing that this limits the ‘alternative options’ from a legal point of view.

    This whole thing stinks.

  22. Mark A says:

    Ubique says:
    May 21, 2021 at 11:12 pm

    A leading South Australian immunologist…

    The only thing SA leads in is hoovering government handouts, bludging, converting churches into gay bars, and stealing Western Australian GST.

    You forgot disused bank vaults and barrels.
    Shame on you.👍😊

  23. Crossie says:

    Steve trickler says:
    May 21, 2021 at 8:21 pm
    Did Sky News challenge him in any meaningful sense? If not, they are just as hopeless as the rest of the legacy media.

    Pathetic.

    If he was interviewed by anyone before 6 pm then there was nobody to challenge him. All those “journalists” are as stupid as the ones on the ABC and the free to air channels. I can’t stand Sky’s daytime lineup.

  24. Crossie says:

    McCullough makes mention of the insanity found at Australia’s TGA with its restricting HCQ and Ivermectin and its overall approach to the faux COVID-19 situation. Qld’s Palaszczuk gets international fame, too.

    What we need is a clean out of all the politicians and medical officers (chief/assistant) who support this sham.

    Good luck with that after they have just been comfortably re-elected.

  25. Figures says:

    The Australian government didn’t care about its own advice regarding vaccine consent when they gave us No Jab No Pay so why do any of you think they will care about it now?

    I know I’m a broken record on this but every one of you should have joined the (very small) protests against this when it happened.

    It was the most dangerous policy in Australian history other than the draft but the government had gotten you all so petrified of measles and whooping cough you didn’t care.

    You didn’t care that the government itself said that the whooping cough vaccine couldn’t provide any kind of herd immunity.

    Nor did you care that measles deaths were all made up figures from countries with no cause of death data.

    And now here you are.

    Here we all are.

    You wouldn’t listen to facts and logic about disease and medicine back then but you’re demanding everybody else does it now.

  26. 132andBush says:

    Figures says:
    May 22, 2021 at 6:16 am

    So you’re an anti vaxer?

  27. Figures says:

    I see Joe Hildebrand is trying to do maths again – with disastrous results.

    He says 30 per cent of people won’t get the poison and he blames *them* for the lockdowns! He does this because, a survey shows that one fifth of them say the vaccine isn’t necessary if borders are closed.

    But hang on. The total number of people who want closed borders is 73 percent according to his survey. This means that what he calls anti-vaxers are presumably vastly *less* likely to support border closures than people who love being poisoned.

    Anti-vaxxers (as in people who actually oppose vaccines) are fundamentally superior people – astonishingly brave and highly intelligent. They’ve never brought into the hysteria.

    Not in March 2020. Not now.

  28. 132andBush says:

    Please answer the question.

  29. Herodotus says:

    I’m certainly not an anti-vax type, having the flu shot most years and recently the triple shot booster for tetanus and whooping cough etc. I have been vaccinated with all sorts of things all my life.
    But given the abject failure of our politicians to get the big things right – namely climate, energy, submarines, women in the armed forces, manufacturing in Australia, the NDIS, the education curriculum, to mask or not to mask, to lockdown and destroy business and lives – I could go on – why would we trust their vaccination plan to be correct while they allow the other proven and safe treatments to die in a ditch because of media denigration?

  30. 132andBush says:

    Agree with all of that, Herod.

  31. Ed Case says:

    They have used promises of reward (the ability to freely travel and the like) along with threats of punishment (not being able to freely travel) to get people to be vaccinated.

    It hasn’t worked, though.
    Traveling overseas for fun isn’t on most people’s list of Important things, while Morrison’s Fortress Australia looks like being a de facto vote on our insane Immigration levels.

  32. Mater says:

    why would we trust their vaccination plan to be correct while they allow the other proven and safe treatments to die in a ditch because of media denigration?

    What’s really disturbing is not so much that they’ve not used such treatments, but they’ve restricted their use (even made it illegal in Queensland).

    Long used medications, which have very limited side effects, suddenly being restricted – not just ignored.
    Fuck this stuff stinks…like a Lightning Ridge Long Drop.

  33. Shy Ted says:

    notice what the Australian government guide clearly says: any vaccine “must be given voluntarily in the absence of undue pressure, coercion or manipulation”. That means no carrot and no stick approaches to push vaccines on unwilling folks.
    Yet this is EXACTLY what the Morrison Government – and others – have been doing.

    Arrest them all. I’ll volunteer for jury duty.

  34. Ed Case says:

    AntiVaxxer is a red herring.
    The issue is:
    Government has done everything ouitside sending in soldiers with fixed bayonets to encourage people to submit to these injections, and it hasn’t worked.
    On the other hand, there’s been an explosion in Paid Employment due to the Covid-19 measures, and things are looking up for the average Aussie.

  35. Figures says:

    while Morrison’s Fortress Australia looks like being a de facto vote on our insane Immigration levels.

    Could well be right Ed.

  36. thefrollickingmole says:

    “But I would encourage everybody out there offered my get rich quick scheme, don’t ask any questions really, please put all your money in it.”

    “But I would encourage everybody out there offered my never ending lollypop, don’t ask any questions really, please open your mouth, close your eyes and take it.”

    Verging on “I have a bag of magic beans” level of scienceism.

  37. Docket62 says:

    So you’re an anti vaxer?

    Herodotus put it well, but let me add:
    I like to think those on this blog have some vestiges of critical thinking, enough to question the lies being peddled….

    and yet there you are. Another shill.

  38. Dot says:

    Figures certainly is an anti science loon. Virus s don’t exist apparently.

    Ignore this idiot.

    You can not want the useless COVID vaccine and be in support of vaccination otherwise.

  39. mh says:

    I do not support the introduction of vaccine passports or any other coercive measure by government or private corporations that essentially force people to take a COVID-19 vaccine or else be denied services and rights that will be available to others. A free and democratic society should never restrict or withdraw freedoms or force people into undertaking a medical procedure or require private medical information to be divulged to others.

    https://www.georgechristensen.com.au/vax

  40. duncanm says:

    132andBush says:
    May 22, 2021 at 6:38 am

    when did you stop beating your wife?

  41. Up The Workers! says:

    I’m sure that all those patient and compliant people queued up, waiting in line, were told something very, very similar about those nice, refreshing and cleansing ‘Zyklon B’ showers at Auschwitz, many years ago.

    That was the Nationalist Socialists. Nowadays we are being given similar orders by the Leftard Socialists.

    My how the world has changed!

  42. Rockdoctor says:

    The total number of people who want closed borders is 73 percent according to his survey. This means that what he calls anti-vaxers are presumably vastly *less* likely to support border closures than people who love being poisoned.

    I’ve often wondered recently how much of this poll figure that supports border closures to slow immigration and doesn’t care about international travel. I’d hazard it would be more than a small minority.

  43. Ellen of Tasmania says:

    I know that vax manufacturers are exempt from liability – is that the same for governments and employers who coerce jabs?

  44. Indolent says:

    There is something very sinister going on. If people can’t see this by now then I fear they will never see it. Why are governments so desperate to encourage this experimental vaccine, where is the pressure coming from? I don’t know what is happening, but I do know we should reject it.

    As Nancy Reagan said in the 80s “just say no”.

    Sinister is the word. There is no real reason or acceptable explanation for it. Its just one more “do what you’re told” mandate. No thank you.

  45. Alan says:

    Ye Gods. They are serious.
    [19 May 2021] 9 News Australia: Interstate vaccine passports could be used
    And the Labor Party did not say they would not facilitate it.

  46. mh says:

    Great reminder, Ellen.
    We must not forget the fact that Covid-19 ‘vaccine’ manufacturers are exempt from liability.

  47. Ed Case says:

    And the Labor Party did not say they would not facilitate it.

    That’s not a good hill for them to die on.
    Basically, unless Scotty is forced to resign over misleading Parliament every time he opens his mouth there, Labor’s only hope is to draft Tanya and rerun the MediScare campaign.

  48. Ed Case says:

    We must not forget the fact that Covid-19 ‘vaccine’ manufacturers are exempt from liability.

    BigPharma would be wiped out otherwise.
    You’d have, uh, certain sections of the Communidy vaxxing their kids into a vegetative state, then hotfooting it down to Slugs & Grubs to sign up for the Class Action.

  49. Lizzi55 says:

    The only politician worth voting for is one that will repeal the bio security act. Voting for anyone else is pointless.

  50. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Sky News’ coverage of the bat flu hysteria, Alan Jones excepted, has been universally appalling.

  51. STJOHNOFGRAFTON says:

    The purpose of Vaccine Passports is to grant the bearer entry to certain services like access to interstate borders, entertainment, pubs, education and more, activities heretofore considered as public rights and freedoms.
    It is easily noted that the implementation of Vaccine Passports contravenes Point 2 of the Criteria for Valid Consent: “It must be given voluntarily in the absence of undue pressure, coercion or manipulation”.
    It stands to reason that requiring Vaccine Passports equates to coercion and manipulation of individuals in order to get them to take an experimental medical procedure. This also contravenes all 10 of the stipulations of the Nuremburg Code ,to which the National Immunisation Program, no doubt, seems to subscribe.
    A case for Common Law class actions surely.

  52. Jock says:

    No no no! It’s ” you vill obey!”. Just like ” ve have vays of making you talk”. Or ” you would prefer ze Russian front? “

  53. Ed Case says:

    There’s no Right to be able to enter a pub or cross a State Border, but there is an Obligation on the Person in Charge of a Business or Undertaking to maintain a Safe Workplace, and that’s where push will become Shove.
    Once you can’t enter the Workplace without being vaxxed the choice will be submit or starve.

  54. Muz says:

    Ask a pharmacist about hypothetically treating covid at home. “If I thought I had it,” sort of thing – watch head explode. Globally advice has been stay home, do nothing, get really sick, go to hospital, get intubated, die.

  55. BorisG says:

    No one stops you from asking questions. They even have FAQ everywhere about each vaccine, plus numbers to call to ask more questions. As for the guy that suggested you shouldn’t ask questions, maybe he has a right to say that too, no?

  56. BorisG says:

    I am certainly happy that most Australians don’t know about this blog and do not read about these mad conspiracy theories. I don’t like coercion but the sooner the vast majority is vaccinated the better.

    This Covid thing has really showed the true idiocy of many people here.

  57. Rex Anger says:

    This Covid thing has really showed the true idiocy of many people here.

    It certainly exposed you, stooge…

  58. Indolent says:

    Once you can’t enter the Workplace without being vaxxed the choice will be submit or starve.

    The very definition of totalitarianism.

  59. Lee says:

    This Covid thing has really showed the true idiocy of many people here.

    Projecting now, leftist shill?

  60. FlyingPigs says:

    some folk may like to consider

    The Need for a Nuremberg for Communism

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/05/the_need_for_a_nuremberg_for_communism.html

  61. Albatross says:

    BorisG says:
    May 22, 2021 at 8:24 pm

    KYS normie trash.

  62. Bill Muehlenberg:

    The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.

    This was brought up at the Catallaxy Files at least two months ago, and I’ve spread it as widely as I could.
    The Nuremberg Code of 1947 was brought up, but it seems the victors are not subject to the laws under which many Japanese/German criminals were sentenced to death – and deservedly so.
    So where is the trial for Fauci/Gates etc going to be held?
    Their vaccines have caused thousands of deaths and they are not subject to the same rigorous standards we imposed on the defeated.
    In fact many governments have given them carte blanche to continue with their program, while stripping the peasants of any means of holding the perpetrators to account for their now legalised actions.

  63. Ozman:

    What we need is a clean out of all the politicians and medical officers (chief/assistant) who support this sham.

    I’ve been saying for years that a purge of the top three layers of every organisation in the nation is what is needed to get Australia back on track.
    (And if that doesn’t work, purge the top five layers.)
    (…just to be sure.)

  64. BorisG says:

    How can people talk about coercion when access to vaccines in Australia is so limited? Not only people are not coerced, people under 50 do not have access to the vaccine, unless they are frontline workers etc.

  65. BorisG says:

    The Need for a Nuremberg for Communism

    I agree. I would certainly support that. The problem is that communists were never forced to surrender unconditionally and will never submit to such a process. An attempt in Russia in the early 1990s to put the communist party on trial turned into a farce.

    They are still spreading their poison far and wide.

    Another problem is that while the appeal of the original Marxist ideas has declined, the communist have managed to morph into and maskarade as other political strains, which allows them to spread the poisonous virus more effectively.

  66. BorisG says:

    I’ve been saying for years that a purge of the top three layers of every organisation in the nation is what is needed to get Australia back on track.
    (And if that doesn’t work, purge the top five layers.)
    (…just to be sure.)

    And how many people vote for your party with this program, exactly?

    LOL.

  67. BorisG says:

    DJ Trump has spearheaded the current vaccination drive. You can’t be a Trump supporter and against vaccines at the same time.

  68. Mark A says:

    BorisG says:
    May 23, 2021 at 2:51 am

    DJ Trump has spearheaded the current vaccination drive. You can’t be a Trump supporter and against vaccines at the same time.

    That is just silly, Boris.
    It can ever apply to someone like numbers, where ideology overrides common sense.

    In my world the leader is not always right, not often even, just mostly ambling in the right direction, but not perfect.

  69. Mango Man says:

    No one in Government has forced anyone to have the jab. Not a soul. In fact Minister Hunt keeps saying stupid things that encourage people to think they can take it easy.
    This is stupidity. The immunologist recommends vaccination because it will minimise contagion and limit the effects of the virus that most certainly will arrive.
    We need to open our borders,

  70. Ladyredneck says:

    Mango Man says:
    May 23, 2021 at 11:46 am
    No one in Government has forced anyone to have the jab. Not a soul. In fact Minister Hunt keeps saying stupid things that encourage people to think they can take it easy.
    This is stupidity. The immunologist recommends vaccination because it will minimise contagion and limit the effects of the virus that most certainly will arrive.
    We need to open our borders

    Yes we need to open the borders. But not because we have been jabbed. Mr SA Immunologist has not, nor has any other “expert” ever defined whether we have a problem here with vulnerability to covid. Where is the extensive testing of the population for antibodies and t cell reactivity? Maybe just maybe enough of us have prior immunity already?

  71. Mango Man says:

    LadyRedNeck: Vic Premier Dan conducted your experiment and hundreds of people died. Elsewhere, death rates (not to mention the disabilities for those who don’t die) in the US and now India appear to suggest that COVID isn’t a virus to mess with.

  72. RacerX says:

    “You can’t be a Trump supporter and against vaccines at the same time.”

    Wrong.

    Boris, am I right to take from that comment you have leaders you are so loyal to that you support them without question on every single topic. If not why would you expect those who support Trump to agree with everything he says on every topic, seems a pretty dumb projection to me.

  73. Albatross says:

    BorisG says:
    May 23, 2021 at 2:51 am
    DJ Trump has spearheaded the current vaccination drive. You can’t be a Trump supporter and against vaccines at the same time.

    Commie slave.

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