David Bidstrup guest post. It’s easier for them to put you in chains if you don’t struggle.

This is a follow on from yesterday’s offering and I thank all who took the time to read it and comment.

I became interested in the whole Covid drama last year when it seemed that the issue was being overdramatised here in Australia and governments started f**king with peoples civil liberties. Earlier this year I found and read two books that opened my eyes considerably. The first is “Virus Mania” written by Torsten Englebrecht and Dr Claus Kohnlein, (ISBN: 978-3-7519-4253-9), and the second is “Corona False Alarm” written by Drs Sucharit Bhakdi and Karina Reiss, (ISBN 978-1-64502-057-8).

The credentials of these people are easily found in a search, but make sure you vet the loony sites.

Being retired I have the luxury of time to delve into things and recognise that others are not so fortunate. I do not expect everyone to rush out, buy the books and read them immediately, even though I consider it time well spent, but want to make the point that there is a lot of information out there that never reaches us through newspapers and other media.

I was also prompted by an article in today’s Australian titled “Doctors back travel exemption after jab” where the president of the AMA is quoted as saying “the important thing is giving Australians a good reason to get vaccinated….particularly young Australians who don’t feel vulnerable to Covid: it might be just the thing to give them a reason to go and get the vaccine”.  In other words, get vaccinated or you will be unable to travel, or in the extreme do anything in the wider society because you will be deemed to be “unclean”. It does not seem to be anything to do with not getting sick, just helping the government out of a hole they dug all by themselves. Data from https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-deaths-by-age-group-and-sex released on 19 May 2021 gives the Covid “death rate” for people between 0 and 49 years of 0.55%, for those 70 and above account for 94% and 80 and above for 76%. Why would we vaccinate young people with strong immune systems? Its nuts and it’s scary.

Earlier today I found a video featuring Dr Bhakdi where he warned against mass vaccinations and had words to say about the efficacy and safety of the vaccines on offer. Here is the link: (https://www.bitchute.com/video/uTnglwDFLxJj/). It is a 40 minute video so you need some spare time. In the video he mentioned an upcoming book written by him and his wife Dr Reiss and mentioned that the chapter on vaccines was available in English from his publishers website. I have downloaded it and it is here.

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On page 9 of the chapter he says “The plan to vaccinate the entire population is a delusional and insane undertaking” and on P14/15 says” Physicians who do not alert those willing to be vaccinated to the risk that vaccination could make the disease worse, not better, are in violation of their duty to inform.

We need to be biting and scratching against this bullshit.

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160 Responses to David Bidstrup guest post. It’s easier for them to put you in chains if you don’t struggle.

  1. Ubique says:

    Can anyone explain what’s to stop the CCP now cooking up fresh and more deadly varieties of Covid, infecting ten thousand carriers and then putting them on aircraft destined for Europe, North America, Europe, the UK, Russia and the Antipodes?

    Global warfare made cheap and easy.

  2. FlyingPigs says:

    Can anyone explain what’s to stop any malicious entity from now cooking up fresh and more deadly varieties of Covid, infecting ten thousand carriers and then putting them on aircraft destined for Europe, North America, Europe, the UK, Russia and the Antipodes?

    Global warfare made cheap and easy.

  3. FlyingPigs says:

    Thank you David B.

  4. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    So you can either have chains of the body or you can have chains of the mind.
    How very lefty.

  5. duncanm says:

    From the AMA code of ethics

    2.1.5 Respect the patient’s right to make their own health care decisions. This includes the right to accept, or reject, advice regarding treatments and procedures including life-sustaining treatments.
    2.1.6 Respect the patient’s right to refuse consent or to withdraw their consent.
    2.1.7 Encourage and support the patient to take an interest in managing their health.

    2.2.2 Maintain the confidentiality of the patient’s personal information including their medical records, disclosing their information to others only with the patient’s express up-to-date consent or as required or authorised by law. This applies to both identified and de-identified patient data.

    2.5 Clinical research
    .. 2.5.2 Recognise that the rights and interests of the individual research participant takes precedence over the interests of others including the research team, affiliated institutions, funders and the broader community.

    .. and the AMA seems to be kicking out conflicting messages?
    RN Drive, Monday, 17 May 2021

    OMAR KHORSHID: … we don’t support mandatory vaccination,

  6. Perplexed of Brisbane says:

    Ebola can be aerosolized. That has a real kill ratio – even without comorbidities. By the time anyone even thinks to ask for the vaccine it would likely be all over.

    I don’t know if it lives on in the soil like Anthrax but if you didn’t care about using the land afterwards, it would make a nice spiteful little weapon.

    I doubt Mr Aloha Snackbar could wield it safely (his own that is) but Mr Xi could.

  7. Dave in Marybrook says:

    Have fun resisting the mindfreeze, by injecting these fun similes into everyday conversation!
    COVID 19 => China Virus
    vaccination => foetus serum placebo
    mask => obed>placebo ience gag
    Premier => Chief Protector of Natives
    National Cabinet => Molotov – Ribbentropp
    pandemic => Event 201
    contact tracing app => dragnet
    police constable => sanitation officer
    vaccine hesitancy => my body, my choice

    The Devil cannot stand to be mocked. I find offhandedly putting these witty observations into everyday conversations with obedient Aussies- soft-left, at least socially, to a man- has done a lot more to get heads a-pondering than any of the “Can’t We Just Have A Dinner Party Without You Arguing With My Friends” nights of the last eighteen months.

  8. Dave in Marybrook says:

    Also, don’t let any softheaded lefties sleepwalk into the new normal by injecting apptalk into their vocabulary. Ask them to explain what a “zoom” meeting is, or what a “tiktok” craze really means. Then, ask them where the data that they put through these innocent lower-case free services is processed.

  9. egg_ says:

    It does not seem to be anything to do with not getting sick, just helping the government out of a hole they dug all by themselves.

    That’s what happens when you put a bunch of stethoscopes in charge of risk management – straight jacketing.

    Such PPE is for your own good you know – trust me, I’m a Doctor.

    A $Trillion straight jacket on the Economy – well done, Scummo.

  10. egg_ says:

    It’s hilarious watching bowtie Pyrmonter trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear with the $Trillion hole in the Economy.

  11. egg_ says:

    ask them where the data that they put through these innocent lower-case free services is processed.

    Even SMS messages sit on Telco severs, numpties think it’s all just handset data – doh!

  12. Mango Man says:

    Bhakdi’s university disowned him in 2020. Nutter.

  13. Wyndham Dix says:

    Well said David Bidstrup.
    .

    Mango Man says:
    May 25, 2021 at 9:57 pm

    Bhakdi’s university disowned him in 2020. Nutter.

    Not an unimpeachable criterion today I should think. Think Peter Ridd and James Cook University.

    A reading of Dr Bhakdi’s letter here to Chancellor Merkel more than twelve months ago and comments appended to it might reward time spent. Some hold that he is one of the most highly cited research scientists in Germany.

  14. ozman says:

    The Contagion Myth written by Dr. Tom Cowan and Sally Fallon Morell is a very interesting read also.

    Nobel Laureate Kary Mullis makes some very interesting comments about the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) that he invented,which formed the basis of the fake pandemic.

  15. Sunbird says:

    It’s slowly becoming clear to the population that covid is like influenza.
    It will always be around and old people will die when they get it.
    The fantasy that it can be eliminated is still being promoted by our state and federal government’s and most of the MSM.

  16. Ed Case says:

    It will always be around and old people will die when they get it.

    Is that true, though.
    We’ve heard about the 800 oldsters who died in Nursing Homes [thanks Dan], but was the 2020 Nursing Home death Toll that much different from the 2019 one?

  17. BrettW says:

    That is the obvious question nobody seems interested to look into. Fairly simple to compare deaths and causes in those VIC aged care homes in 2019 v 2020. Just pick the to ten that had the most deaths and that should show the trend. My belief is heart attacks, cancer, simple old age etc will be down as counted as Covid.

    So called journalists probably too busy putting out Government approved news bites that fit the current narrative.

    “We’ve heard about the 800 oldsters who died in Nursing Homes [thanks Dan], but was the 2020 Nursing Home death Toll that much different from the 2019 one?”

  18. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Thanks again David Bidstrup for taking the time to share what you have read and what needs to be considered.

  19. Ed Case says:

    Thanks Brett.
    Yeah, there’s plenty of elephants in the wards of our gigantic Covid Hospital, but the LameStream Media and their pathetic cartoonists are determined to overlook the entire Herd.

  20. David Bidstrup says:

    Brett W. Look at post of 3 April to see comparison for Australia. Cannot get data for Victoria alone.

  21. Craig says:

    And we get this ‘tough man’ apologizing to the CCP for turning our lives upside down. I used to enjoy John Cena and his WWE antics but he’s now a pawn for the chinese because he’s afraid of being canceled.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zre2p7mg64g

  22. Herodotus says:

    I’ve watched the Bhakdi video, well worth the time spent.

  23. John Bayley says:

    There are plenty of solid scientists with impeccable credentials who have been critical of the ‘official’ narrative.

    They are not ‘nutters’, although same cannot be said of ‘Mango Man’, Monty, and a few others that seem unable to resist coming to this blog.

    Because only a nutter would agree to any kind of universal ‘vaccination’, given that:

    1) We have had a year of data showing WuFlu is less dangerous to vast majority of the population than ordinary flu. The only ones significantly at risk are those who are very old, obese or otherwise compromised.
    We know lock downs, masks and so on are much worse ‘cure’ than the disease itself.

    2) The ‘vaccines’ are all experimental technologies, without sufficiently long testing periods behind them. We simply cannot know what their long-term results may turn out to be.

    3) There has NEVER been a successful coronavirus vaccine, despite decades of trying.

    4) There has NEVER been a successful mRNA (Pfizer/Moderna) or viral vector (J&J / Astra Zeneca) ‘vaccine’. They all failed at the animal trials stage, resulting in deaths of the test subjects.

    5) There are already more than 15 thousand deaths, and more than a million adverse effects, often severe (blindness, paralysis, to name just a couple) reported in the EU/USA in conjunction with these ‘vaccines’. Many of them of young people, who would normally be quite safe from Covid itself.
    Yes, some may be due to other reasons, but all of them? Get real. There have been more vaccine-related adverse reactions so far in 2021 than in the previous 30 years combined!

    6) Despite the majority being vaccinated in the UK, the government there has said there may well be another lock down, masks will remain compulsory on public transport etc, and travel will continue to be restricted, despite the push for ‘vaccination passports’.
    Anyone think it would be different here?

    By this stage, I have nothing but utmost contempt for doctors and/or scientists who promote this scam, as well as for those bed-wetting morons in the general public who would still cower under their beds with two masks on and urge for the non-compliant refuseniks to be locked out of normal life and preferably shuffled off to some sort of a concentration camp.

    Shame on you.

  24. Figures says:

    That’s right John.

    It’s truly astonishing that there are people who actually believe that, if not for a few evil anti-vaxers, we would all be living in absolute freedom.

    People like Monty have always been willing to give up their first born for sacrifice if a public health “expert” told them to, but now even those on the Right are putting themselves and their kids up for sacrifice because they are certain that *this* will be the last thing governments expect us to do.

    Yeah right. This will never stop.

    Repeat those words to yourself over and over.

    This. Will. Never. Stop.

    Back in March 2020 there were a vanishingly small number of people who said that if we allowed the government to take so much as *one* freedom from us as a result of a germ then it would inevitably lead to a trajectory from which there could be no escape. At least, not without revolution or bankruptcy.

    But then there were the “sophisticated” people like notafan who said “oh no, just give it two weeks! The government will give us our freedoms back in no time”.

    Of course, even amongst the vanishingly small number of people who said that no lockdowns of any kind should occur I was special because I knew that there was no virus and that none of the forthcoming data would make sense to anybody except me.

    I knew that the key to the COVID infection data was PCR thresholds. I knew that we would have bizarre discrepancies in infection data between countries/states/cities that made no sense for a contagious disease but made perfect sense when you realised that it was all about how PCR cycle thresholds were applied. I knew that excess deaths would only occur because of horrific medical treatments and panic (and the virus would have nothing to do with it). And, of course, I knew that the vaccine would only appear to work if the PCR thresholds (or willingness to test people) were changed following the vaccine – otherwise the vaccines would appear (ie according to official data) to be completely worthless (because of course they are completely worthless).

    Critically, none of this was a guess. I knew it all with 100 per cent certainty.

  25. Mark M says:

    AMA: “We must give Australians a good reason to get vaccinated”

    Sadly for the AMA, telling people they will die if they don’t get “the jab” doesn’t work.
    Like when they announced 200,000 people will die and they didn’t.

    Perhaps the AMA could try telling the truth, but, that would require accountability and we would need to build a bigger jail to fit the liars in.

  26. Bruce says:

    See also:

    “Scared to Death”, by Christopher Booker and Richard North.

    Here:

    https://www.amazon.com.au/Scared-Death-Global-Warming-Costing/dp/0826476201

    Old-ish, but VERY relevant.

  27. MACK says:

    You’re ignoring the significant effects of long Covid. Post-viral syndromes are well documented with other infections and can be quite debilitating for long periods. https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n853

  28. Figures says:

    You’re ignoring the significant effects of long Covid.

    Easy to ignore things that don’t exist.

    The fact is that nobody has ever witnessed *when* the virus is transmitted to someone (assuming it ever is) so nobody could possibly claim to know anything about effects in the short, medium or long term.

    By the way, why do you believe in “long COVID” but are perfectly happy to get a vaccine that couldn’t possibly have been tested for long term effects?

    Just so you know, anything other than “because I’m a brainwashed fool” is incorrect.

  29. DP says:

    Dear Mr Bidstrup

    Dr Mike Yeadon has described the vaccination rollout as a Phase 3 clinical trial. Doing that over entire populations seems to me to be utter madness.

    Neville Hodgkinson has a post on The Conservative Woman:

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/how-the-vaccine-can-make-covid-worse/

    He describes how antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) can make the progress of the disease vaccinated against worse in certain people.

    There is another, potentially more dangerous effect of mass vaccination, namely the selection for a more deadly strain amongst the vaccinated, as illustrated by Marek’s disease in chickens. The second and third paragraphs under ‘Prevention’ on Wikipedia describe the problem:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek's_disease#Prevention

    It seems that the covid vaccines qualify as ‘leaky’, and that the mass vaccination programmes appear to be almost designed to replicate the process of increasing the deadliness of Marek’s disease for the covid virus.

    There was a web page on deagel.com which purported to forecast the world’s population by country for 2025. Most of the Western world was listed as having populations reduced by as much as 80%, including the US and UK. The page has recently been removed, but a flavour of the data can be determined from posts on other websites listed in a search on the engine of your choice.

    DP

  30. PeterW says:

    MACK says:
    May 26, 2021 at 8:46 am
    You’re ignoring the significant effects of long Covid.

    No.

    We are sceptical of attempts to drum up yet more panic in order to justify the bullying.

    We’ve watched for the last year as COVID has been blamed for everything including drug overdoses and traffic fatalities….. now we are being told that only Covid-PVS is worth counting.

    My father had PVS for three bloody years back in the 1980s. Do you really think that all the other virus have gone on strike or magically become benign?

  31. m0nty says:

    The fact is that nobody has ever witnessed *when* the virus is transmitted to someone (assuming it ever is) so nobody could possibly claim to know anything about effects in the short, medium or long term.

    No one has ever witnessed the exact moment when a sperm fertilises an egg inside a woman’s body, thus humans don’t exist.

    You have a lot of attitude for someone so obviously mentally deficient, Figures.

  32. Perfidious Albino says:

    Actually Montster, I’m pretty sure there is plenty of recorded imagery of human (female) eggs being fertilised by human (male) sperm under the microscope.

    Just saying…

  33. PeterW says:

    No one has ever witnessed the exact moment when a sperm fertilises an egg inside a woman’s body, thus humans don’t exist.

    That is not his claim.
    Pig-in-mud……. You.

  34. m0nty says:

    Actually Montster, I’m pretty sure there is plenty of recorded imagery of human (female) eggs being fertilised by human (male) sperm under the microscope.

    Did they stick the microscope up a woman to capture the exact moment of a natural conception? I don’t think so. If they did… poor woman.

    That is not his claim.

    It pretty much is his claim. He is saying that virus transmission doesn’t exist if nobody ever witnessed it happening in real time. Why not apply that logic to natural conception to disprove the existence of humanity?

  35. Epicurious says:

    Hey everyone Monty has a job to do, hopefully for him she/he is getting paid to do so otherwise he’s only doing it to elevate blood pressure amongst this audience. So treat his comments like an Alex cartoon, supposedly serious but laughable. Go Figure! He has obviously not done any homework on the transmission of the so called Spanish Flu and how it did not transmit when directly applied, injected, coughed, spittle, etc to volunteers. Anyway one can only take so much humour in a day so time to go play some golf.

  36. H B Bear says:

    The credentials of these people are easily found in a search, but make sure you vet the loony sites.

    The trouble with loony sites is when they are reproduced 15 months later with a change of President and found to be correct.

  37. H B Bear says:

    Ruh roh. mUnty’s “thinking” again.

  38. Kneel says:

    “You’re ignoring the significant effects of long Covid.”

    Perhaps.
    But I guess the question is: does this (“Long COVID”) come about due to the “spike” protein as seems likely, since it appears to be similar to others used by the human body (especially reproductive proteins in women) and has significant interaction with several other parts of the bodies natural defenses (eg, blood clotting). If it is indeed the spike protein causing the issue, then taking the vaccine, which is either mRNA to produce said protein, or a retro-virus that encodes production of said protein into a cells DNA, then the vaccine would produce similar effects even if you never got exposed to “natural” COVID-19.
    If this were the case, then the mRNA vaccine would seem to be the “safer” option, as presumably this mRNA will degrade over time, although I have not seen any data on how long the typical residence time of the mRNA is.

    It may also be the case that the immune response to the spike protein itself causes the issues of “long COVID” rather than the protein itself. In which case, any vaccination may cause these issues the next time your immune system is triggered to respond to the protein, which may be a similar, but relatively harmless, cold virus – we simply don’t know how specific an individuals anti-bodies to this protein may be, so no-one can really say. And neither do we know the causal chain that produces “long COVID”.

    So, IMHO, this issue does not appear – as yet, at any rate – to be a reason to have the vaccine, and may even be a reason to NOT have it.

  39. Terry says:

    Montifa says:
    ‘the exact moment of a natural conception?’

    Goalposts moved much?

    Montifa: the top NPC of logical fallacy.

  40. max says:

    You can’t beat something with nothing.

    If you’re going to stand up and criticize something, or shoot somebody’s idea down, then you should also have a better alternative or suggestion to give.

    https://www.conservapedia.com/The_Communist_Manifesto

    Gary North:
    COMMUNISM FOR CONSERVATIVES
    Three of the ten planks of the “Communist Manifesto” (1848) are still universally accepted.
    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
    10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

    So, in these three areas of life, the vast majority of those voters who think of themselves as conservatives still cling to the tenets of Communism. They think nothing of this. They are 30% down the path to Communism, and they don’t know it, or just don’t care.
    The ex-Communist paradises are 30% Communist and have no intention of becoming less Communist.

  41. m0nty says:

    Goalposts moved much?

    I specified originally that the analogy was conception inside a woman.

    Sure, conception has been observed under a microscope in a lab, but so has COVID-19 infection. Figures doesn’t accept lab infections. He reckons it only counts when it happens in the wild. I am using his logic to prove that humans don’t exist.

  42. Boambee John says:

    Epicurious says:
    May 26, 2021 at 10:29 am
    Hey everyone Monty has a job to do, hopefully for him she/he is getting paid to do

    The fat fascist fool munty and the numerical ostrich (head in bum) both play a valuable role here. They are living evidence of the brain corruption caused by leftism, and an ‘orrible example to those tempted to follow that stupid path.

  43. m0nty says:

    If you’re going to stand up and criticize something, or shoot somebody’s idea down, then you should also have a better alternative or suggestion to give.

    Send the children down the mines again for capitalism!

  44. Kneel says:

    “Send the children down the mines again for capitalism!”

    Why not, eh? Hamas does it in Gaza…

  45. Boambee John says:

    Finally munty has come up with an effective method to break the power of the ejyoukayshun establishment.

  46. Figures says:

    He is saying that virus transmission doesn’t exist if nobody ever witnessed it happening in real time.

    No Monty, what I am saying is that you can’t use a specific observation as evidence of something occurring unless you (or somebody else) actually made that specific observation.

    If you have something else to use as evidence for your claims then you are welcome to provide them. I won’t stop you.

    If you don’t have anything – and you don’t – then you should just admit that your beliefs are based on wild guesses.

  47. egg_ says:

    It’s slowly becoming clear to the population that covid is like influenza.
    It will always be around and old people will die when they get it.
    The fantasy that it can be eliminated is still being promoted by our state and federal government’s and most of the MSM.

    Nailed it.

    What if the Chunks come up with a swine flu variant?

    Global Armageddon?

  48. Figures says:

    Did they stick the microscope up a woman to capture the exact moment of a natural conception? I don’t think so. If they did… poor woman.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if we had done such a thing, regardless, we have witnessed it in labs in petrie dishes.

    So your analogy is shit and you are deeply stupid.

    Please apologise for being so immensely dumb.

  49. Terry says:

    max says:
    May 26, 2021 at 10:55 am

    Well, what do you know, I’m not a Communist apparently! Conservative? Maybe, I suppose. Not the first description I would jump to.

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    A flat income tax (individual and company) with a tax-free threshold for all individuals is the only “fair” system of taxing income. I would go further and double the threshold for couples/families (Main income can use the tax-free threshold of secondary/no income), BUT family welfare payments would stop, including “free” childcare.

    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. DLT could and should have something to say about this…Peer-to-Peer lending as well (also enhanced by DLT).

    10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
    “Free” (sure let’s call it free) education, ensuring a minimum level for all citizens is not necessarily a bad thing. However, the funding (because it isn’t free) should move with the child/parent (a voucher) to be used as they choose for educating the child.
    Public/Private/Independent/Remote/Home-School should all be options for parents. For public, the voucher buys you a place. The rest set their own rates (including, possibly less than the voucher – a partial refund to the holder).

    Basic knowledge in Civics (how our society works), English, Maths, Science (the Scientific Method), History (the non-woke variety) to be tested at graduation. The rest is up to the school.

    I think our society, even as it’s on its knees, has successfully dealt with child labour – the chunks, not so much.

  50. egg_ says:

    That is the obvious question nobody seems interested to look into. Fairly simple to compare deaths and causes in those VIC aged care homes in 2019 v 2020. Just pick the to ten that had the most deaths and that should show the trend. My belief is heart attacks, cancer, simple old age etc will be down as counted as Covid.

    And the ensuing attacks on nursing homes on TheirABC News, 4Corners, etc.

  51. Figures says:

    Figures doesn’t accept lab infections. He reckons it only counts when it happens in the wild. I am using his logic to prove that humans don’t exist.

    Oh sorry I didn’t see this. Of course, it just makes it worse for you.

    The question behind your analogy is: can a viable baby get conceived in a petrie dish? Observation says yes.

    The question behind my point is: does the person get sick as a result of the “virus” in the petrie dish? Observation says we don’t know.

    Do you see the difference?

    And it’s worse than that because your attempt at using my logic is invalid anyway. We aren’t talking about whether sickness (or humans) *exist* we are talking about what *causes* them. But you are too stupid to understand anything aren’t you?
    Of course you don’t. Too damn stupid.

  52. egg_ says:

    No one has ever witnessed the exact moment when a sperm fertilises an egg inside a woman’s body, thus humans don’t exist.

    Yet the site retard voluntarily took a frankenvax.

  53. Boambee John says:

    Figures to munty

    If you don’t have anything – and you don’t – then you should just admit that your beliefs are based on wild guesses.

    The correct technical term is WAGS (wild arsed guesses).

  54. Richard says:

    m0nty says:
    No one has ever witnessed the exact moment when a sperm fertilises an egg inside a woman’s body, thus humans don’t exist.

    Words fail me…….

  55. Lee says:

    Bhakdi’s university disowned him in 2020. Nutter.

    Mango Man says he is a “nutter” so it must be true.
    He is one of those commenters here, who, when he makes a statement, I invariably believe the opposite.

  56. Kneel says:

    “2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    A flat income tax (individual and company) with a tax-free threshold for all individuals is the only “fair” system of taxing income. I would go further and double the threshold for couples/families (Main income can use the tax-free threshold of secondary/no income), BUT family welfare payments would stop, including “free” childcare.”

    This.
    Now, please.

  57. Mark M says:

    If I was to say “ reverse cowgirl and doggy style are the same in space”, someone might question how I know and ask prove it.

    NASA confirms: In space ‘reverse cowgirl’ and doggystyle are the same thing
    https://alternative-science.com/nasa-confirms-space-reverse-cowgirl-doggystyle-thing/

    Like when a scary claim is made about the Chinese flu, or failed doomsday global warming.
    Unless you can substantiate the claim, good chance it’s fake news.

  58. PeterW says:

    We aren’t talking about whether sickness (or humans) *exist* we are talking about what *causes* them. But you are too stupid to understand anything aren’t you?
    Of course you don’t. Too damn stupid.

    Well the options are too damn stupid, or too damned dishonest.

    Normally, I’d plumb for “stupid” , but given his record, I think “dishonest” is the more realistic assessment.

  59. Lee says:

    M0nty; world champion hair-splitter and goalpost mover.

  60. Mark M says:

    Just watched Gladys and her expert doctor on news saying that even if you have been vaccinated against the Fauci virus, if you have visited a Melbourne hotspot, you will need to quarantine for two weeks.

    Like I’m gonna hurry to get the vaccine.

  61. PeterW says:

    It’s a “vaccine” that doesnt do what vaccines do.. 🙄

  62. PeterW says:

    Wuhan Flu: The Dog Barks*
    May 25, 2021 KateGain of Function Wuhan Flu 77 Comments
    Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients (pdf)

    Limitations of the current study include the small sample size and potential biases that result from enrolling healthy, young adults, which may not be representative of the general population. Future studies should also examine the dynamics of antigen production with neutralization antibodies. Nonetheless, evidence of systemic detection of spike and S1 protein production from the mRNA-1273 vaccine is significant and has not yet been described in any vaccine study, likely due to limitations in assay sensitivity and timing assessment. The clinical relevance of this finding is unknown and should be further explored. These data show that S1 antigen production after the initial vaccination can be detected by day one and is present beyond the site of injection and the associated regional lymph nodes. Induction of IgG and IgA immune responses can be detected as early as day five post vaccination and are associated with clearance of spike and S1 antigen in the systematic circulation.

    Discussion (from a pro-vaccine biochemist): This finding is initially a bit surprising. A key mechanistic point regarding the safety of the vaccines has been that the spike protein does not get to freely float around in the blood where it might be able to cause these deleterious effects we discussed earlier.

    My purpose in writing this post (and others) isn’t to create undue concern over the safety of mRNA vaccines, but to bring you the latest developments as they emerge. My position is officially neutral, but as our media are now functioning as state propagandists, giving dissenting/concerned viewpoints few opportunities to be heard, I will continue to share the credible voices here.

    *From May 4th: Lung Disease Or Blood Disease?”

    From Small Dead Animals.

  63. egg_ says:

    It’s a “vaccine” that doesnt do what vaccines do..

    Little sister, don’t you do what your big sister done…

  64. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Gladys and her expert doctor on news saying that even if you have been vaccinated against the Fauci virus, if you have visited a Melbourne hotspot, you will need to quarantine for two weeks

    Hysterical incompetent idiots making it up as they go along (again).

  65. m0nty says:

    The question behind my point is: does the person get sick as a result of the “virus” in the petrie dish? Observation says we don’t know.

    You don’t actually understand virology or microbiology at all, do you Figures. Not that I am an expert either, but there are millions of scientists in the field and I’m pretty sure it’s not a decades-long conspiracy to pollute your precious bodily fluids.

    You are a narcissist, ultimately, who thinks you are so important that a global cabal is dedicated to injecting you with microchips to track your every thought. No, actually, no one cares about you.

  66. Terry says:

    Montifa says:
    ‘You are a narcissist…’

    Bwahahahaha! Leftards…always projecting.

  67. John Bayley says:

    @PeterW 1.31 pm:

    Denninger has eviscerated that particular lie here.

    To quote the salient part:

    “The fact that these cases are not random but all cluster right around day 4 of the second jab while there are zero reports distant from that over the remainder of a one month period is a screaming safety signal standing alone.

    Oh, and it’s not “a couple dozen” cases either. It’s over 2,000 cases. The CDC is LYING.”

    The ‘lying’ part is, alas, what we have come to expect from these ‘experts’.

  68. Figures says:

    Do you see the problem with your argument Monty?

    Probably not. But that’s because you’re a complete moron. Anyway, here it is:

    You don’t actually understand homeopathy at all, do you Monty? Not that I am an expert either but there are/have been millions of experts in the field and I’m pretty sure it’s not a decades long conspiracy to pollute your precious body.

    You see the problem now?

    You’re welcome.

    PS, you’re an imbecile.

    Just in case you still don’t get it (you are an imbecile after all) being a homeopath doesn’t make you an expert on whether or not homeopathy itself is valid. In fact, you are a vested interest and, if anything, *less* likely to be trustworthy on this question. Similarly, being a virologist does not make you an expert on whether virology itself is valid, indeed, they are vested interests which makes them, if anything, less reliable on the matter.

    Validity of a particular field of study *can only* come from the outside otherwise you have circular reasoning. For example, do the laws of physics hold up when you apply them to chemistry or biology? Do the laws of mathematics do the same?

    Again, you’re welcome. You really should be paying me for these sorts of epistemological insights.

    No, actually, no one cares about you.

    And yet, you spend every waking moment obsessing over my decision to get (or not get) the vaccine.

    It’s truly staggering just how stupid you are. Here’s a hint: whatever you say I will use as ammunition against you. I have more than enough firepower of my own but it just doesn’t make any sense for you to add to the stockpile.

  69. m0nty says:

    Oh, and it’s not “a couple dozen” cases either. It’s over 2,000 cases. The CDC is LYING.”

    So if you’re right, you’re ten times more likely to have a mild heart inflammation after vaccination than you are to die of COVID if you’re unvaccinated.

    Do you not see that that is not an argument against the vaccine in any way, shape or form whatsoever?

    Death is more than ten times as bad as a temporary mild inflammation. Apparently this needs to be spelled out to you.

  70. PeterW says:

    John Bayley says:
    May 26, 2021 at 2:20 pm
    @PeterW 1.31 pm:

    Denninger has eviscerated that particular lie here.

    Much obliged.👍

  71. m0nty says:

    You are a paranoid fool, Figures. Your line of reasoning is that science can only be judged by the ignorant. Suits you to say that since you are so ignorant, but doesn’t make any logical sense.

  72. PeterW says:

    Complications may include heart failure due to dilated cardiomyopathy or cardiac arrest.

    Just a mild case of death….. that’s ok, then. 🙄

  73. Figures says:

    So if you’re right, you’re ten times more likely to have a mild heart inflammation after vaccination than you are to die of COVID if you’re unvaccinated

    You, ummm, do understand that this isn’t the only type of reaction that people are getting to the vaccine don’t you (and by the way, not many people describe any kind of heart problem they might have as “minor”)? And you do understand that if you choose to get vaccinated, the probability of being vaccinated is 100 per cent. On the other hand if you don’t get vaccinated the probability of getting the virus is much less than that.

    Seriously Monty, why did you do that? You can’t be that stupid can you to truly believe that there are literally *no* reactions other than heart problems. Nor can you be so stupid as to believe that all of these heart problems can realistically be described as “minor” can you?

    Say it ain’t so.

  74. Kneel says:

    ” m0nty says:
    No one has ever witnessed the exact moment when a sperm fertilises an egg inside a woman’s body, thus humans don’t exist.

    Words fail me…….”

    I think it’s wrong anyway – ISTR there was a TV Doco whose claim to fame was exactly that, vision of in utero fertilsation.

    In any case, perhaps Monty would care to address the case that the proteins the vaccines cause the body to produce are the actual dangerous bit – either directly, or due to the immune response to same. All previous attempts to create a corona virus vaccine hit this very problem in animal trials and never got past it. These ones have skipped that testing.
    Frankly, I would think that if a significant proportion of the population was aware of this, then “vaccine hesitancy” would be much higher than the quoted 30%!

  75. Vicki says:

    Thank you Rafe, for directing us to this argument.

    I am handicapped by limited scientific or medical expertise. I battle to process the technical argument. Nevertheless, I sufficiently grasp the evidence to accept that there is a substantial argument that these global vaccinations may prove disastrous.

    We had already decided to delay vaccination until Pfizer or Moderna becomes universally available. The current Melbourne fiasco demonstrates the changing scenario, but our major domicile in country NSW provides us with something of a haven.

    The lack of any sort of sufficient vaccine development timetable has always been a worry. But this study has really put things into a different perspective.

    S–t!

  76. m0nty says:

    On the other hand if you don’t get vaccinated the probability of getting the virus is much less than that.

    This is the thing, isn’t it. Narcissist antivaxxers are convinced that they are supermen who will always get lucky and never fall sick. And if any of them ever get sick, they’re the first with their hand out for the state to pay for their hospitalisation. Just another aspect of being born into privileged Western life and thinking you deserve special treatment because you are a beautiful snowflake with divine qualities.

    Seriously Monty, why did you do that? You can’t be that stupid can you to truly believe that there are literally *no* reactions other than heart problems. Nor can you be so stupid as to believe that all of these heart problems can realistically be described as “minor” can you?

    You are completely mathematically incompetent, Figures. I suppose when you assume that your personal risk of not doing something is nil, you can use any justification at all for not doing that thing. You may be right and get lucky… then again, you may not.

    Regardless of the outcome, it’s a flawed process you’re using to draw conclusions. It’s certainly not the scientific method.

  77. m0nty says:

    our major domicile in country NSW provides us with something of a haven

    Are you anywhere near Cohuna?

  78. Vicki says:

    Sorrry – David, not Rafe. But thanks to Rafe for posting.

  79. Vicki says:

    Are you anywhere near Cohuna?

    Nope – not in Victoriastan.

  80. m0nty says:

    I think it’s wrong anyway – ISTR there was a TV Doco whose claim to fame was exactly that, vision of in utero fertilsation.

    Great, so we do exist! Phew.

  81. John Bayley says:

    Vicki, Pfizer and/or Moderna are no better/safer than Astra Zeneca or J&J.

    It is not too hard and does not require ‘technical’ skills to look up the reports on the US VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reports) site.

    The Open VAERS site is an aggregator of same, where you can simply cut straight through to the summaries.

    Click on the ‘227,xxx Covid Vaccine Adverse Reports’ link to get specifics.

    The ‘Covid Data -> Mortality’ link at the top gives you a breakdown of the various ‘vaccine’ manufacturers. Note that AZ is not being used in the USA, but the numbers for the others are quite revealing: some 1,860 deaths for Pfizer and 1,980 for Moderna.

    So far, that is. And those numbers are just a tip of the iceberg, because reporting is voluntary and VAERS is apparently way behind in processing the reports.

    Even if you are over 70 years old, as long as you are not obese and in otherwise reasonable health, your chances of dying from Covid are much lower than dying from almost anything else.

    Given that having the ‘vaccine’ will most assuredly NOT allow us to go back to ‘how it was before’, why would any sane person volunteer?

  82. Vicki says:

    It is not too hard and does not require ‘technical’ skills to look up the reports on the US VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reports) site.

    The Open VAERS site is an aggregator of same, where you can simply cut straight through to the summaries.

    Thanks John Bayley. Will do. Much obliged.

  83. Figures says:

    Narcissist antivaxxers are convinced that they are supermen who will always get lucky and never fall sick.

    Except that we aren’t. So that’s a fail. Anti-vaxers believe that, all else equal, the unvaxed are significantly healthier than the vaxed, but I’ve never once heard the suggestion from anybody (no matter how opposed to vaccines they are) that unvaxed people *never* get sick. Now I really shouldn’t have to point out that this is a strawman because it’s so obvious but you are so astonishingly stupid that I prefer to make everything crystal clear.

    and if any of them ever get sick, they’re the first with their hand out for the state to pay for their hospitalisation

    First with their hand out? What does that even mean? What do vaccinated people do when they’re deathly ill? Wait a few weeks? Refuse Medicare support? I thought you liked socialised medicine? Now you’re complaining that some people use it? Make up your feeble mind.

    Are you telling me that you would be happy if anti-vaxers were allowed to take tax cuts in exchange for having to pay privately for our health care? I suspect many of us would take that. Many vaxed people would too I might add. Commies like you won’t let us though so your argument here is bizarre.

    Because you’re an imbecile.

    At any rate, anti-vaxers have pleaded with the government to make available total Medicare spending on the vaxed vs the unvaxed and guess what? The government (which has the data at its fingertips) refuses to release it.

    Can you guess why? I’ll give you a clue. It’s because the government believes that if it ever did, vaccine rates would plummet.

    You are completely mathematically incompetent, Figures

    You know what makes statements like that even more powerful Monty? If you actually do the maths yourself to *show* why I’m “mathematically incompetent”. I know it seems like a drag but the insult only works if it’s backed up by a substantiated point.

    And the best way to learn this is to take note of everything I have been doing to you. I demolish your argument and then insult you because after the demolition it is obvious that my insult is valid. If it’s just an insult by itself on the other hand, it just looks desperate.

    It’s certainly not the scientific method.

    You don’t even know what the “scientific method” is. If we take the view that science has to be falsifiable then clearly vaccination and virology are most assuredly not science because there is nothing falsifiable about them. They are statistics based (probability) therefore it doesn’t matter what observation one makes, their proponents will always say “Oh that observation was just a fluke! If you had a large enough sample size everything would look good for us. No! Larger than that! Hold on! Not that large. Ummm, maybe you should add these carefully chosen data points to your sample. No! Not those carefully chosen data points! That’s cherry picking!”

    That is how virologists, and epidemiologists do their work. It isn’t falsifiable it isn’t science but it is complete bullshit.

  84. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Take heart Monty. You’re on the ball.

    Look at it this way … There’s a positive side to this even though getting vaccinated helps everyone – not just the individuals who are smart enough to take up the free offer.

    The virus may cull a lot of anti vaxxers if this latest more infectious Indian variant gets a hold, now that Scott Morrison has flipped on his earlier sensible ban – following lots of essentially well-targeted leftwing pressure from the ABC, Fairfax and little Anthony Albanese. ( Oh and incidentally thanks to Roger who posts here for the timely warning that Morrison was likely to flip).

    Scott Morrison and Josh Frydenberg have handled this pretty well despite the strong criticism from the extremes of the left and the right. Fortunately they have the overwhelming support of Australians for what they’ve done. We are basically a sensible lot.

  85. Figures says:

    if this latest more infectious Indian variant gets a hold

    It’s just so funny that people are actually dumb enough to believe this nonsense.

    If there were indeed variants (and there aren’t, virologists are just shoehorning their observations to fit the narrative) then that would render getting vaccinated worthless (well they’re worthless anyway but worthless even by the standards of gullible fools like Monty).

  86. Kneel says:

    “Scott Morrison and Josh Frydenberg have handled this pretty well despite the strong criticism from the extremes of the left and the right.”

    You must be joking.
    Florida and Sweden are examples of “doing it right”. It doesn’t involve locking down an entire area or mandating masks when one (count ’em, one) person gets a positive test.
    Instead, it involves providing advice on how the vulnerable can be protected, taking care to take note of good hygiene, and making sure you do your best to contain it if, as and when you get it.
    A free people can be trusted to make the choices that best suit their individual circumstances – if not, we have no business having a democracy.

  87. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Figures

    Thanks for that.

    No need to comment on what you said. There’d be no need to comment even if your comments were decipherable.

    You’ve said it all. Thanks for the inadvertent support.

  88. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Kneel

    Thank you as well for your inadvertent support.

    Florida

    Coronavirus Cases : 2,313,815
    Deaths: 36,581
    Population about 21,000,000

    Australia’s deaths : under 1000
    Population 25 million.

  89. Rex Anger says:

    The virus may cull a lot of anti vaxxers

    How terribly ‘balanced’ of you…

  90. Infidel Tiger King says:

    Kneel

    Thank you as well for your inadvertent support.

    Florida

    Coronavirus Cases : 2,313,815
    Deaths: 36,581
    Population about 21,000,000

    Australia’s deaths : under 1000
    Population 25 million.

    Covid is over in Florida and they are completely reopen.

    We haven’t even had our first wave.

    I know whose position I’d rather be in.

  91. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Rex Anger

    But Rex I have to be modest. I could never in a million years compete with you for lack of balance – even to prove a point.

  92. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Infidel Tiger King

    So do you suggest we get over it too by killing off an extra 35,000 fellow Australians. That’s one way to increase immunity I suppose. But vaccination is better.

    About half in the US have been vaccinated. We should follow them on that.

  93. Rex Anger says:

    But Rex I have to be modest. I could never in a million years compete with you for lack of balance – even to prove a point.

    Nice flinch, stooge.

    Shame that doesn’t even make sense.

    Now, go shill for your politically-requires jab like a good drone.

    You don’t want to be gulag’d for being a trbalist ‘denier’ now…

  94. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Rex Anger

    Thanks also inadvertently proving my point with your language. It doesn’t worry me.
    Especially when it proves my point – that you have to use it rather than sound arguments Your posts are littered with rubbish like that.

  95. egg_ says:

    Wuhan Flu: The Dog Barks*
    May 25, 2021 KateGain of Function Wuhan Flu 77 Comments
    Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients (pdf)

    Great stuff at SDA.

    Also:
    Wuhan Flu: Lung Disease Or Blood Disease?

  96. Boambee John says:

    So if you’re right, you’re ten times more likely to have a mild heart inflammation after vaccination than you are to die of COVID if you’re unvaccinated.

    munty tells us that he has a heart problem, then sez this! Not worried about “mild” heart inflammation munts?

  97. Rex Anger says:

    So do you suggest we get over it too by killing off an extra 35,000 fellow Australians. That’s one way to increase immunity I suppose.

    What’s your source?

    A different country with a significantly bigger population and different comorbidity burden to Australia?

    A country which had an entire Professional Class nakedly displaying their vested interest in getting rid of a President they didn’t like? Who now have to try and play out their manipulations, so the disenfranchised masses they just imprisoned, extorted and even burned (thanks to the Democrats’ Street Militias, Antifa and BLM) won’t turn on them?

    And just how do you project 35,000 more deaths in Australia, when every ‘lockdown’ and contact tracing pantomine since the initial adrenaline rush last April is lucky to net any more than about 2 dozen people? Practically none of whom have even been hospitalosed?

    Even in crowded Melbournibad of late, they’ve been lucky to get to 20 people…

  98. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Rex

    You are totally and utterly wrong.
    Check the figures yourself.

  99. egg_ says:

    Rex Anger says:
    May 26, 2021 at 3:34 pm
    The virus may cull a lot of anti vaxxers

    How terribly ‘balanced’ of you…

    Malthusian burnt fruitcake, anyone?

  100. Rex Anger says:

    Thanks also inadvertently proving my point with your language. It doesn’t worry me.
    Especially when it proves my point – that you have to use it rather than sound arguments Your posts are littered with rubbish like that

    Awww.

    No actual argument other than your own rhetoric, so you’ll clumsily try to invert others’ rebuttals as gestures of support.

    Congratulations, stooge. You have an opinion. Opinions are like arses- Everybody has one. Shame you don’t like it when other people slap it instead of kissing it when you wave it in others’ faces.

    Was that why you left the Australian?

  101. egg_ says:

    So if you’re right, you’re ten times more likely to have a mild heart inflammation after vaccination than you are to die of COVID if you’re unvaccinated.

    munty tells us that he has a heart problem, then sez this! Not worried about “mild” heart inflammation munts?

    Rogue spike proteins floating through your vascular system?

  102. Rex Anger says:

    You are totally and utterly wrong.
    Check the figures yourself.

    Wjat figures?

    Florida’s?

    Australia’s?

    And knowing that a great deal of it is all cooked up and based on statistical sleight-of-hand anyway?

  103. Rex Anger says:

    @ BalancedObservation2-

    To quote Infidel Tiger King from the Open Thread (to the tune of “If You’re Happy and You Know It”):

    If you are worried about the Covid, get a jab.
    If you are worried about the Covid, get a jab.
    If you are worried about the Covid but you do not get a jab, then I hope
    You die alone with a cat.

    Otherwise behaving like a Grigsock and farting about death to anti-vaxxxers is just low-energy and lazy trolling, and worthy of a good slapping …

  104. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Rex

    And you are just a tad off topic as well.

    (But incidentally I would have actually voted for Trump if I were US citizen. But it isn’t relevant to this debate apart from the fact that Trump secured huge vaccine supplies for the US unlike the EU governments).

  105. BalancedObservation2 says:

    Rex

    You’re not only off topic now you’re starting to get even more incoherent.

  106. Terry says:

    The eternally thick Montifa says:
    ‘Narcissist anti-vaxxers are convinced that they are supermen who will always get lucky and never fall sick.’

    First, “Narcissist” is an inane and baseless slur in this situation, with about as much effect and lost meaning as “racist”; it indicates nothing but the desperate ramblings of a losing (non-)argument and more often than not describes the abuser moreso than its intended target (a classic Leftard Circular Firing Squad, as it were).

    ‘…are convinced that they are supermen…’ only a complete dolt could come up with this interpretation (way to make Figures argument for him).

    Those declining the experimental “vaccines” (they are not really) seem to be proffering three main arguments:

    1. The likelihood of contracting the virus, becoming ill by it, requiring hospitalisation because of it, suffering complications, or indeed dying from it is very small (particularly those outside comorbidity risk groups);

    2. If you do contract it, there is a good chance you might not even know (asymptomatic) but if you do, then there are well-tested therapeutics with known side effects that can be used to effectively treat it, and are cheap; and

    3. The unknown long-term consequences of the “vaccine” represent a risk that might well be greater than the risk of #1.

    These are risk calculations that each individual is entitled to make (much to the chagrin of closet and not-so-closet authoritarians all over the world).

    Pretending the “vaccine” has no downside, no potential downside, or even an as yet proven upside is the height of hubris, ignorance, and stupidity.

    I can understand some people doing the 1-3 calculations and deciding to get the vaccine anyway (especially if they suffer from comorbidities), but in many cases, it seems to be those coveting a Darwin Award are lining up to be jabbed, without even considering 1-3 might exist and also seemingly as a signal of overt devotion to their protector and saviour, big government.

    Like so many things Leftard, it has taken on a cult-like status. Not surprising you’re “ALL IN!”

  107. Mango Man says:

    Lee: I am tempted to say the feeling is mutual. But I’ve noticed that you say anything. Aside from gratuitous insult.)

  108. PB says:

    “It may also be the case that the immune response to the spike protein itself causes the issues of “long COVID” rather than the protein itself.”

    The focus thus far has been on the viral contents themselves, but I’m seeing more research suggesting the spike-protein outer shell may be a whole lot less benign than first assumed, which of course has great implications for a vaccine program based around teaching the human body to manufacture spike proteins for it to spend its days attacking.

  109. Leo G says:

    Just watched Gladys and her expert doctor on news saying that even if you have been vaccinated against the Fauci virus, if you have visited a Melbourne hotspot, you will need to quarantine for two weeks.

    For about 80% of the population the vaccination makes little or no absolute difference to their very low risk of developing a symptomatic infection from exposure to the virus. It may possibly and temporarily interfere with non-specific immunity and increase the risk.
    For those 20% who may have a significant risk of a serious outcome from infection, the Pfizer vaccine offers risk reduction of 95% or better.
    The Astrazeneca vaccine should reduce the risk of the most common strain of the virus by between 60% and 76%, but by very little for other strains.
    The main reason that the most at risk have not been offered the appropriate vaccine arose in January when Australian scientists advised delaying mass inoculation using AstraZeneca’s vaccine and replacing it with a more effective product. They cited data showing the AstraZeneca jab had only 62% efficacy and could not acieve the holy grail of herd immunity.
    Even though herd immunity was supposed to be the ethical means of protecting the weaker in the herd, the government decided that attaining herd immunity was most effectively achieved by sacrificing the safety of the weakest.

  110. Lee says:

    Lee: I am tempted to say the feeling is mutual. But I’ve noticed that you say anything. Aside from gratuitous insult.)

    I’ve upset an authoritarian leftist troll.
    Boo hoo.

  111. Chris M says:

    the Pfizer vaccine offers risk reduction of 95% or better.

    …based on a study of 168 infected people.

  112. max says:

    Send the children down the mines again for capitalism!

    Socialist myths and fantasy

    Capitalist offer you a job, he does not have gun to force you to accept that job.

    Blame children parents, if they had any parents, blame mother nature that is so horrible and do not provide free food and shelter.

  113. Rex Anger says:

    You’re not only off topic now you’re starting to get even more incoherent.

    Poor darling.

    Y00z inkoheerunt! is all you got?

    Probably should have checked yourself before you outed yourself with anti-vaxxers…

  114. PeterW says:

    If you are worried about the Covid but you do not get a jab, then I hope
    You die alone with a cat.

    If you are demanding that others get a vaccine but not doing, yourself, the things that are known to reduce your chances of an adverse outcome, then you deserve the fate you wish on others.

    You have had 12 months.
    How have you changed your diet?
    How much weight have you lost?
    How much have you lowered your blood pressure?
    How much have you lowered your blood sugar and increased your insulin response?

    All these are relatively easy.
    If you are making demands of others, but not doing the basics yourself, you are damned as a hypocrite.

  115. Leo G says:

    the Pfizer vaccine offers risk reduction of 95% or better.
    …based on a study of 168 infected people.

    … and confirmed by ongoing infection rates comparisons of fully vaccinated individuals compared with unvaccinated in countries with active epidemics.

  116. Bruce in WA says:

    Florida

    Coronavirus Cases : 2,313,815
    Deaths: 36,581
    Population about 21,000,000

    Australia’s deaths : under 1000
    Population 25 million.

    There’s a good reason Americans called Florida “God’s waiting room” l-o-o-o-o-o-n-g before CV-19.

  117. Rex Anger says:

    If you are demanding that others get a vaccine but not doing, yourself, the things that are known to reduce your chances of an adverse outcome, then you deserve the fate you wish on others.

    PeterW, I am echoing a pisstake from Infidel Tiger with that little ditty.

    Not trying to do a m0nty or a ‘Balanced Observation.’

    With that clarification firmly out of the way, I agree 100% with your statements.

    I do not intend to get poked unless absolutely required for work purposes, and I am very firmly of the opinion that won’t happen until the shills and the bugmen alike have embarrassed themselves into a corner, and the virus (where it actually is present) has burned itself out like they always inevitably do.

  118. PeterW says:

    So do you suggest we get over it too by killing off an extra 35,000 fellow Australians.

    There are now dozens of research papers with findings to the point that lockdowns have not reduced the loss of quality life years….. and that they bring a cost of their own that exceeds that of Covid.
    Just be a little bit careful.

    Secondly, it’s a fallacy to argue as tho the only alternatives were complete lockdowns or “let granny die”. So much of a fallacy that it looks like panic-porn. The alternative, as soon as the characteristics of the disease became known, was to protect the susceptible, while letting the more robust sectors of the population carry on as usual. In that way, we could have arrived at the same point as Sweden and Florida, with far lower cost in both lives and economy.

    If you cannot be honest enough to acknowledge that this is the strategy and end-point that your opponents are advocating, then you deserve no respect.

  119. PeterW says:

    PeterW, I am echoing a pisstake from Infidel Tiger with that little ditty.

    Rex…. having read back a little further, I acknowledge my error, and agree.
    Let the “you” in my response, apply to those that it fits.. those who expect “Da Gubberment” to provide the solution.

  120. m0nty says:

    There are now dozens of research papers with findings to the point that lockdowns have not reduced the loss of quality life years….. and that they bring a cost of their own that exceeds that of Covid.

    Tragedy: Peter W losing quality of life by not being able to swan off to Bali for a few months.

    Acceptable loss: some random granny that Peter W doesn’t know choking to death on her own bodily fluids after weeks of agony.

    The Cat is just about the only place on the Internet where nonna stranglers have a safe space. In normal society, they are shunned and despised.

  121. Squirrel says:

    The “check-in app” surveillance state will be an absolutely irresistible honey-pot for the hackers who’ve yet to be stopped from getting past the best security we have.

  122. Boambee John says:

    The Cat is just about the only place on the Internet where nonna stranglers have a safe space. In normal society, they are shunned and despised.

    Don’t forget Victoria, where around 90% of the Australian fatalities occurred, predominantly in aged care facilities. Nice work by Dan of the Dead. Weren’t you praising Dan for his success earlier?

  123. Rex Anger says:

    those who expect “Da Gubberment” to provide the solution.

    …refuse to acknowledge they were the primary cause of the problem in the first place, but also remain the biggest impediment to resolution.

    If said governments stuck to caring rather than control, things might yet work out for the better.

    But it is easier to blame skeptics and ‘unbelievers’ like we Cats, PeterW, than it is to go silent, accept the loss of face and just let it go.

  124. KobaTheDread says:

    I read this again only yesterday – “The welfare of the people is the alibi of tyrants.” – Albert Camus

  125. Rex Anger says:

    Tragedy: Peter W losing quality of life

    Correct. Along with earnings, psychological balance and certainty.

    Acceptable loss: some random granny that Peter W doesn’t know choking to death on her own bodily fluids after weeks of agony.

    False equivalence. Thousands of people of all ages, sexes and creeds suffer such an outcome daily, as the result of malicious trauma and manifold acute or chronic diseases.

    We are in the middle of COPD and flu seasons right now. Plenty of people will sicken and die in exactly the manner you describe from bronchitis, pneumonias, asthma exacerbations and so forth.

    It is a shame that you think Fascism and Communism have final power over life and death, Benito M0ntylini. They don’t. Only God does.

    Lockdowns did not stop a single death anywhere in the world they were attempted.

  126. PeterW says:

    Tragedy: Peter W losing quality of life by not being able to swan off to Bali for a few months.

    Dishonesty : Monty pretending that that is the issue, when it is really…
    – Suicides by those far younger than the average COVID death, due to social isolation and economic pressure.
    – Avoidable deaths due to delayed diagnosis of diseases like Cancer.
    – Poverty, which is a known causal factor for reduced length of life.
    – Loss of education – another known causal factor in reduced quality of life and lifespan.
    – Reduction in the economic activity that is required to generate the money that it takes to build medical facilities, train staff and provide effective health care.

    Monty and his mates in the Free Shit Army imagine that benefits just appear by magic.

  127. Leo G says:

    The alternative, as soon as the characteristics of the disease became known, was to protect the susceptible, while letting the more robust sectors of the population …

    That still appears the best available solution.
    Protect the susceptible by offering an efficacious vaccination, effective prophylactics, appeopriate therapeutics if infected and provide proper quarantine for residential aged care and nursing home facilities.

  128. m0nty says:

    Suicides have gone down, PeterW. The rest of your speculation is completely unfounded. You are clutching at straws without any proof. This line of argument is particularly rich from Cats who give zero craps about poverty or education under normal circumstances, wanting the government to defund social services that ameliorate such things. Don’t come the raw prawn.

  129. Timothy Neilson says:

    You are clutching at straws without any proof.

    This is rich coming from the fat idiot who announced that post-vax reinfections of COVID are non-existent, then when I asked for his evidence for that assertion sneered at me that I didn’t have “proof” for my request for his evidence.

  130. Rayvic says:

    The AMA should be recognised as a lobbyist, not for its medical expertise.

  131. Rex Anger says:

    The rest of your speculation is completely unfounded. You are clutching at straws without any proof.

    Rich, coming from the NPC who has been reliably spouting the ‘Nanna-killer’ talking point since his political masters invented it for him to barf up this time a year ago…

    This line of argument is particularly rich from Cats who give zero craps about poverty or education under normal circumstances, wanting the government to defund social services that ameliorate such things

    It’s an older leftwit meme, Sir. But it still apparently checks out…

  132. Tel says:

    Poverty, which is a known causal factor for reduced length of life

    Don’t worry … it all went on the government credit card … that poverty will be a problem for future Australians.

    Up until the money printing trickles through and inflation hits … might be a year or two, although it’s starting already but the first step is slow supply and shops out of stock. At some stage bidding on limited items must drive up prices, else all of economics is broken.

  133. PeterW says:

    You are clutching at straws without any proof.

    You couldn’t lie straight in bed.

    I am talking about published scientific papers….. the sort that are required to include their data and methodology so that interested peers can check both during review.

    So it becomes more and more apparent that you say the first thing that comes into your head. I wouldn’t trust you if you said that the sun would rise tomorrow .

    Ditto for your abusive mischaracterisation.
    I am typing this as I’m sitting beside my invalid brother in the surgery ward. You’d have to be fundamentally retarded to imagine that I don’t care about healthcare funding. But you are… Retarded by a belief that Political Correctness matters more than lives….

  134. Lee says:

    Piffany says:
    May 26, 2021 at 7:04 pm

    Thanks for that, Piffany.
    Very disturbing reading about how we are being conned by Big Pharma, the MSM, and politicians.

  135. Mater says:

    The rest of your speculation is completely unfounded. You are clutching at straws without any proof.

    Wrong. That’s just bullshit, Monty.

    From The Lancet (April 2021):

    It has been a year since the UK entered its first COVID-19 lockdown on March 23, 2020, with unprecedented consequences. Although the pandemic is far from over, what have its impacts been on cancer care in the UK and globally, and what does the future hold?

    COVID-19 has had devastating effects on patients with cancer, with huge numbers of missed diagnoses and delayed treatments due to health systems under pressure and patient reluctance to seek medical care. Despite repeated reassurances from officials that the UK’s National Health Service (NHS) remained open for urgent care, a study estimated that 45% of those with potential cancer symptoms did not contact their doctor during the UK’s first wave of the pandemic (March–August, 2020), citing reasons including fear of contracting COVID-19 and avoiding placing extra strain on the NHS. Consequently, suspected cancer referrals fell by 350 000 compared with the same period in 2019. Combined with interruptions in cancer screening programmes and delays in scans and diagnostics, a spike in late cancer presentations and diagnoses is anticipated, making some previously curable tumours more difficult to treat and, unfortunately, further excess deaths unavoidable. This problem prevails internationally, even in countries praised for their management of COVID-19; a study estimated that in the state of Victoria, Australia, around 2500 cancer diagnoses were missed during the first 6 months of the pandemic.

    Two of my DIRECT family members suffered this fate. One is likely to pull through it. The other is now palliative, and waiting to die. Both had ‘Telehealth’ appointments about the symptoms, but they weren’t picked up till physical appointments resumed late last year.

  136. PeterW says:

    Mater…
    Sorry to hear that.

  137. Mater says:

    Sorry to hear that.

    So was I, PeterW, and so were they.

    When the lockdown occurred last year, they stopped monitoring my cancer, too…dead in the water.
    No physical observations or monitoring, “we’ll see where it’s at when all this finishes”.
    Cut adrift, as it were.

    Monty and his ilk weren’t being more compassionate, they just selected a different group of people to survive.

  138. ozman says:

    Monty claims that there is no intention by global elites to implant microchips. Yet Klaus Schwab in Jan. 2016 expects everyone to be implanted by 2026. https://www.bitchute.com/video/6RaL3wFGaT1K/

  139. PeterW says:

    Monty and his ilk weren’t being more compassionate, they just selected a different group of people to survive.

    They just like to pretend.

    Differences of belief and option, I can cope with. But there is a foulness about the deliberate deceit that gets up my nose.

  140. m0nty says:

    You refute your own point, Mater, by citing that study. People are scared of COVID regardless of government action. The NHS was screaming at people not to stay away, but they did anyway. How can you blame government for that?

    Also, in Victoria last year before the vaccine was available, how could you expect doctors to risk infection with face to face consultations? They are not soldiers on a battlefield.

  141. Rex Anger says:

    Also, in Victoria last year before the vaccine was available, how could you expect doctors to risk infection with face to face consultations?

    They do so for every other infectious disease out there, fat man. And have done so since Hippocrates. The only difference is that the PPE and infection control precautions are a little bit better.

    Your ignorance is more likely to cause a fatal reaction than the disease itself…

    They are not soldiers on a battlefield.

    Whoops. Report for reprogramming, m0nty. The bugmen will be most displeased with your dismissal of their heroic and essential ‘front-line’ workers, Tik Tok-dancing in their PPE in completely empty wards, while admonishing we helots to stay ‘Saef’ and clap the NHS…

  142. Rex Anger says:

    People are scared of COVID regardless of government action. The NHS was screaming at people not to stay away, but they did anyway. How can you blame government for that?

    Errr… Because it was their foolish, kneejerk acts and cynical ginning up of an already hysterical media that led to the entire stupidity in the first place?

    So I blame not only the politicians, but the activist bugmen within the Federal and State Public Health apparatus. As well as all the good little sheep like you, bleating on command and trying to shout down even the slightest suggestion of dissent.

  143. Chris M says:

    When the lockdown occurred last year, they stopped monitoring my cancer

    Which state? There was no change here. Maybe Melbourne, or another country – but then I repeat myself.

  144. Mater says:

    You refute your own point, Mater, by citing that study. People are scared of COVID regardless of government action. The NHS was screaming at people not to stay away, but they did anyway. How can you blame government for that?

    Also, in Victoria last year before the vaccine was available, how could you expect doctors to risk infection with face to face consultations? They are not soldiers on a battlefield.

    Actually, you refute your own:

    The NHS was screaming at people not to stay away, but they did anyway.

    Yet:

    Also, in Victoria last year before the vaccine was available, how could you expect doctors to risk infection with face to face consultations?

    Did you miss this contradiction? How can both coexist?

    I didn’t stay away due to the outrageous scaremongering (as many did), like dental appointments, my procedures were made impractical by government mandated infection control measures. My Doctor wanted to continue, he just couldn’t risk the heavy hand of government. FFS, we had Physiotherapists offering only over-the-phone-consultations…imagine that!

    Anyway, the point is, you accuse some here of wanting Granny to slowly choke on her on bodily fluid (and, bizarrely, wanting to send kids down mines), yet you ignore the lung cancer sufferers (as an example) who are just now starting to gargle away. You said “The rest of your speculation is completely unfounded. You are clutching at straws without any proof.” I provided proof.

    In the future, before you start shining your laurels, and start swinging your supposed virtue around like a medieval club, perhaps run your eye over the other side of the ledger. The ‘Butcher’s Bill’ has a reverse side.

  145. Mater says:

    You refute your own point, Mater, by citing that study. People are scared of COVID regardless of government action. The NHS was screaming at people not to stay away, but they did anyway. How can you blame government for that?

    Also, in Victoria last year before the vaccine was available, how could you expect doctors to risk infection with face to face consultations? They are not soldiers on a battlefield.

    Actually, you do:

    The NHS was screaming at people not to stay away, but they did anyway.

    Yet:

    Also, in Victoria last year before the vaccine was available, how could you expect doctors to risk infection with face to face consultations?

    Did you miss this contradiction? How can both coexist?

    I didn’t stay away due to the outrageous scaremongering (as many did), like dental appointments, my procedures were made impractical by government mandated infection control measures. Breast Screening was stopped, as just one example. My Doctor wanted to continue, he just couldn’t risk the heavy hand of government. FFS, we had Physiotherop1sts offering only over-the-phone-consultations…imagine that! That’s like a Sex Worker wanting to provide a service via written correspondence!

    Anyway, the point is, you accuse some here of wanting Granny to slowly choke on her on bodily fluid (and, bizarrely, wanting to send kids down mines), yet you ignore the lung cancer sufferers (as an example) who are just now starting to gargle away. You said “The rest of your speculation is completely unfounded. You are clutching at straws without any proof.” I provided proof.

    Everyone was aware of your personal interest in lockdowns last year. Your support of them wasn’t benevolence, it was selfishness:

    m0nty
    #3518263, posted on July 19, 2020 at 3:25 pm
    That is not a serious assumption in the slightest. Take me for instance, I have 30-40 years left in me but if I get the virus I am roughly a 10% chance to die. There are plenty in my position.

    In the future, before you start shining your laurels, and start swinging your supposed virtue around like a medieval club, perhaps run your eye over the other side of the ledger. The ‘Butcher’s Bill’ has a reverse side. Your life might have cost three others.

  146. Mater says:

    Which state? There was no change here. Maybe Melbourne, or another country – but then I repeat myself.

    Yes, Melbourne.

  147. Figures says:

    Also, in Victoria last year before the vaccine was available, how could you expect doctors to risk infection with face to face consultations?

    Doctors have been surrounded by sick people and their germs for thousands of years. Not just COVID but smallpox and leprosy and meningitis and flu and HIV and measles etc.

    The truth is that none of these diseases – or any other – are contagious.

    If contagious disease existed there wouldn’t be any doctor alive to tell us about them.

    Because of the stratospheric level of brainwashing that goes on with the germ theory people are unable to see what is right in front of their faces.

    The same people who are petrified of a kid with measles think nothing of sitting in a doctor’s waiting room surrounded by dozens of people who, for all they know, have diseases much more dangerous.

  148. Mater says:

    Also, in Victoria last year before the vaccine was available, how could you expect doctors to risk infection with face to face consultations?

    That’s like asking how we can expect Soldiers to go to war, now that the enemy is real and live rounds are being used.

    It’s part of the job they signed up for! Nurses, too!

  149. Mater says:

    It’s part of the job they signed up for!

    And if they don’t like it (or don’t want to do their job), they can remove themselves from the Medicare Approved Provider list, and stop suckling off the teat of the Public Health System.

    Go fully and exclusively private, and see how they go putting petrol in the fucking Porsche!

  150. PeterW says:

    People are scared of COVID regardless of government action. The NHS was screaming at people not to stay away, but they did anyway. How can you blame government for that?

    Lockdown was justified by the idea that it was too dangerous for people to step outside their of homes.

    When the Government runs and supports a scare-campaign telling people to stay away from anywhere people normally gather, then Government is very much to blame.

    The bullshit in claiming that the NHS was “screaming for people to come in”, when in fact people were being discouraged from coming in for regular checkups and minor discomforts – telemedicine being touted as the solution – should be obvious.

    When the same NHS is making a massive drama out of something that is normally as simple and comfortable as visiting your GP……. well don’t lie that people were scared for no good reason

  151. PeterW says:

    Monty is caught in a dilemma.

    Being cowardly himself, he desperately wants all of us to be frightened so that his cowardice can masquerade as prudence.

    But the more we show that that cowardice is killing people, the more he has to pretend that we shouldn’t have been frightened and that it was all our own imagination.

    I could almost feel sorry for him, because no matter how foul and disgusting I think him, I don’t have to live with him. He does, and he can’t trust himself. That way lies madness.

  152. Mater says:

    Being cowardly himself, he desperately wants all of us to be frightened so that his cowardice can masquerade as prudence.

    Yes, in a free country, there was nothing stopping people like Monty isolating themselves and taking whatever measures they deemed fit. But, no, everyone’s out to be forced to do the same, regardless of individual circumstances.

    Misery loves company.

  153. PeterW says:

    Misery loves company.

    …..and it’s always somebody else’ fault.

  154. Kneel says:

    “…well don’t lie that people were scared for no good reason.”

    It’s part of the over-the-top “safety first” culture, where common sense is disparaged and regulation encouraged.
    The sort of culture where people who are driving on a controlled access road designed for a minimum of 130km/h in the middle of the day in good weather and with 5km visibility are fined for doing 120km/h because the posted limit is 110km/h.
    The sort of culture that requires signs like “How to wash your hands” in places where you must have reached your majority just to enter, signs like “Caution: opening door”.
    Where there is a 40km/h zone for a “school” that is actually a TAFE (so no-one less than 15 years old will likely be there for 99% of the time), or where the road is blocked from the footpath by a fence for 300m in every direction except at intersections and marked crossings.
    You treat people like idiots, and guess what? They act like idiots! You CANNOT make things idiot proof – people just get more idiotic.
    Give people a choice, give them responsibility and they become responsible, and make good choices. Take away all there options with regulation and then they will sue you because they did something stupid, something that you thought no-one would be dumb enough to try. Boy, were you wrong! And then the bastards actually win, meaning you need so any signs and have to jump through so many hoops, that any chance of an innovative small business even surviving is destroyed.
    Apply this to COVID.
    Is there ANY evidence that masks in any way help? You can, maybe, if you look hard enough, find some very small reduction in transmission – maybe a percent or two, if that, and then only if it’s an N95 and correctly fitted and used, never touched etc etc. Yet there is evidence that constant mask wearing is very much WORSE for people in general – as much as an order of magnitude greater risk than benefit, depending on where you look. Yet when we had a single “case”, which was for someone who was asymptomatic, we had wear a masks for a week!
    Or look at the actual numbers for people who get quite ill or die from COVID broken down by age – for under 50’s it’s negligible, and for under 20 it’s vanishingly small, and actually LOWER than for a “normal” flu! There is no evidence that kids spread this disease – in fact, studies show that kids are more likely to get it from adults than the other way around. Yet schools got closed in many countries to “stop the spread” – because “can’t be too careful”. Bullshit. That IS being “too careful” – you have damaged millions of kids education and socialisation skills development to NO advantage, and have actually made their risk of getting this disease HIGHER! The “cure” was worse than the disease.
    All so politicians can look “caring”. Disgusting.

  155. max says:

    The FDA receives 45% of its annual budget from the pharmaceutical industry.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) gets roughly half its budget from private sources, including Pharma and its allied foundations.

    And the CDC, frankly, is a vaccine company; it owns 56 vaccine patents and buys and distributes $4.6 billion in vaccines annually through the Vaccines for Children program, which is over 40% of its total budget.” — Robert F. Kennedy, Jr

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