Why is ivermectin success never reported in the mainstream news?

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122 Responses to Why is ivermectin success never reported in the mainstream news?

  1. Albatross says:

    No patent. No globohomo money.

  2. FlyingPigs says:

    President Trump.

  3. Rohan says:

    Despite the lies and obsfucation by our politicians over the use of ivermectin or hydroxychloroquin, the best news is that India ignored the bullshit advice. And saved a lot of lives in the process.

  4. m0nty says:

    You lot: we distrust the vaccine, there is still so much doubt about it after months of tests and tens of millions of jabs

    Also you lot: apparently some dude cured monkey cells in a test tube with ivermectin once, this means we should give ivermectin to everybody, put it in the drinking water, it’s foolproof!

  5. Rex Anger says:

    Also you lot: apparently some dude cured monkey cells in a test tube with ivermectin once, this means we should give ivermectin to everybody, put it in the drinking water, it’s foolproof!

    Really, m0ntard?

    Really?

  6. Fat Tony says:

    m0nty says:
    May 29, 2021 at 11:48 pm

    Nobody cares what you think you fascist fuckwit.
    Just fuck off

  7. FlyingPigs says:

    Nobody cares what you think you fascist fuckwit.
    Just fuck off

    don’t talk to monkey’s like that.

  8. ozman says:

    Professor Thomas Borody: It is easier than treating the flu.
    This is because nobody has thought to treat the flu with Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ).
    People who take HCQ, as a prophylaxis, are not known to get the flu.
    Could this be because COVID-19 and flu have the same symptoms and the only difference is the name?
    Ivermectin sounds like it might be a better alternative. Although, allicin (garlic) has worked for millennia. Keep mozzies away too. I’m told they hate the smell of garlic on people’s breath.

  9. win says:

    Its interesting that Ivermectin a proven anti parasitic drug now cures a virus caused by bats .
    Its also interesting that we never hear about our own bat to human disease the Hendra virus that kills.
    Then there is the bat handler disease Lyssavirus that does have a vaccine apparently related to rabies that also kills.
    Does any one know why we have experts on deadly bat viruses but we hear nothing from them being totally ignored by the media and Dracula himself.

  10. mareeS says:

    Donald Trump. It is a scandal that he suggested it and millions have died, just because.

    I am a wait-and-see about new vaccines,thanks. Husband had his first jab as a vulnerable person, then 3 days in bed. So far, I am taking my chances, as no need to travel far.

  11. Howard Hill says:

    Why is ivermectin success never reported in the mainstream news?

    Because the they’re are all evil xunts, that’s why!
    They need their guts cut out and then used to hang polyticians!!
    Evil bastards deserve no quarter!
    Despicable, wretched, horrid, disgusting, slimy, vipers the lot of them.

    But I was only doing my job.

    Yeah that’s what the Nazi’s said.

    But they still hung till they were DEAD!

  12. Mark A says:

    Howard Hill says:
    May 30, 2021 at 3:01 am

    Howard,
    Have the feeling you are not fond of politicians.
    But why holding back?
    Say it the way you feel?👍

  13. Howard Hill says:

    The time for nice talk is over, Mark.
    These evil bastards are playing with fire. The game they’re playing is what people don’t want to imagine.
    You’d have to be a complete imbecile to not see what they’re up to!
    They don’t have our best, let alone least interest at heart.
    It’s just delousing, remember?

    Worn your yellow star lately?

  14. Figures says:

    Also you lot: apparently some dude cured monkey cells in a test tube with ivermectin once, this means we should give ivermectin to everybody, put it in the drinking water, it’s foolproof!

    Obvious strawman is obvious.

  15. Texas Jack says:

    I’m with Howard Hill. Read Josh Frydenberg’s budget speech a few times and think about the disgrace that is holding up the pandemic as the pretext to spend all these new billions in recurrent expenditure.

  16. Mark A says:

    Howard Hill says:
    May 30, 2021 at 3:21 am

    No worries, Howard.
    I’m with you and agree.

  17. Dot says:

    Could this be because COVID-19 and flu have the same symptoms and the only difference is the name?

    There many types of Coronavirus. Many of them cause the common cold. SARS and MERS are two better known examples.

  18. Dot says:

    Also you lot: apparently some dude cured monkey cells in a test tube with ivermectin once, this means we should give ivermectin to everybody, put it in the drinking water, it’s foolproof!

    India has proven beyond all doubt that Ivermectin is safe and effective. (Rightly or wrongly – the population means an incredible number of data points).

    Even if the vaccines are safe – or ethical – we have been told they’re not very effective (for example it has been claimed that herd immunity cannot be guaranteed; and the probability of reinfection is high).

    Unecessary medical treatments are a bad idea.

  19. Mark M says:

    Only 1% of Japanese vaccinated months out from olympics …

    https://anti-empire.com/amp/japan-in-no-hurry-to-get-vaccinated-just-1-injected-so-far/?__twitter_impression=true

    … yet where is the death and sickness?

  20. PB says:

    “India has proven beyond all doubt that Ivermectin is safe and effective. (Rightly or wrongly ”

    Mexico too, more recently.

  21. John Bayley says:

    Ivermectin has been in use for decades.
    Over that time, it has saved millions of lives, especially in Africa.
    It is right at the top of drugs with the safest risk profile we have available.
    Its inventors received a Nobel prize.
    Thomas Borody knew just how effective it was against WuFlu last August already.
    So unless you’re a Monty, you would most definitely take it before any recently cooked up gene therapies.
    The problem, of course, is that from the pharma’s point of view, there is no money in Ivermectin. This is why its own inventor, Merck, threw it under the bus.
    Like so many things these days, it is solely about the money. In other words, an outright criminal racket.

  22. Boambee John says:

    m0nty says:
    May 29, 2021 at 11:48 pm
    You lot: we distrust the vaccine, there is still so much doubt about it after months of tests and tens of millions of jabs

    Also you lot: apparently some dude cured monkey cells in a test tube with ivermectin once, this means we should give ivermectin to everybody, put it in the drinking water, it’s foolproof!

    The fat fascist fool will reject known therapies with his last dying breath, because Orange Man Bad.

    His second para displays a level of ignorance and deliberate blindness to reality worthy of the most pig ignorant climate alarmist.

  23. Struth says:

    The saddest thing of all is seeing somebody ask “why” this far down the track.

  24. Ed Case says:

    Its interesting that Ivermectin a proven anti parasitic drug now cures a virus caused by bats .

    The latest is that it was created in the Wuhan Lab after all, no Bats involved.
    More importantly, it appears Invermectin is efficacious in all kinds of Fevers, so
    bye bye BigPharma’$ Annual Flu Shots?

  25. Ed Case says:

    Is this right?
    An old veterinary drug, patent expired, will cure any sickness involving Fever?
    Polio? Diphtheria? Whooping Cough? Meningococcal?
    Just shakin’ my head.

  26. gowest says:

    You lot: we distrust the vaccine, there is still so much doubt about it after months of tests and tens of millions of jabs. — that’s because not one health bureaucrat has told us why the vaccines are producing nasty mutant versions of cov19, like the Indian variant which will get 30% of their vaccined! No wonder they ban Ivermectin – Its clear Facebook’s democrats need more chaos and confusion so they can keep the blue states “under their protection”.. Ivermectin will break their control – no more lockdown love elections and they know it!. They are creating corona mutants and getting away with it. What happens when we get the super Australian variant??? oh we will need a super vaccine… get the picture.

  27. duncanm says:

    For monty: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
    From 2011

    Ivermectin is the essential mainstay of two global disease elimination campaigns that should soon rid the world of two of its most disfiguring and devastating diseases, Onchocerciasis and Lymphatic filariasis, which blight the lives of billions of the poor and disadvantaged throughout the tropics. It is likely that, throughout the next decade, well over 200 million people will be taking the drug annually or semi-annually, via innovative globally-coordinated Mass Drug Administration (MDA) programmes.

  28. Shy Ted says:

    Ivermectin. I’venotamectin
    .

  29. Shy Ted says:

    Lymphatic filariasis had to look that up – Some people, however, develop a syndrome called elephantiasis, which is marked by severe swelling in the arms, legs, breasts, or genitals. Have to confess I thought it was just arms and legs. Lots of pics of arms and legs on the net, not so much the other 2 body parts.

  30. Ed Case says:

    Not uncommon in Fiji and the Philipines.
    The scrotum extends to the ground, painless but inoperable.

  31. m0nty says:

    The slowdown in infections in India was caused by lockdowns and other such social distancing measures. Ivermectin does nothing, just like HCQ. Remember when you lot were all over HCQ? Then medical trials showed it did nothing at all to cure COVID.

    Ivermectin, a veterinary drug, is literally snake oil in this context.

  32. Judge Dredd says:

    They want you to take their not-vaccine genetic therapy. It’s not just about profits, I think it’s a little more sinister than that.
    Ivermectin, HCQ and other treatments don’t meet their goals.

  33. Herodotus says:

    Sure, we’d trust Monty and the rabid left, and our Pollies who have succumbed to all the false left narratives to such an extent that we have a long list of disastrous policies:
    Climate and Power.
    National Curriculum.
    Masks & Lockdowns.
    Indiscriminate Immigration (or open borders under Labor)
    Spendathons to avoid being called callous and unfeeling, when some austerity is required.
    Mining Hesitancy, particularly where coal is involved.

    But we’re supposed to take the vaccines without questioning the authorities?
    Once it was the left that was questioning of authority – now they are the authority.

  34. mh says:

    m0nty says:
    May 30, 2021 at 9:29 am
    The slowdown in infections in India was caused by lockdowns and other such social distancing measures

    lol

  35. dover_beach says:

    Just lol, Monty.

  36. Frank says:

    social distancing measures

    Lots of space between people in Calcutta you imagine?

  37. Terry says:

    Herodotus says:
    May 30, 2021 at 9:40 am
    ‘Once it was the left that was questioning of authority – now they are the authority.’

    The only problem the left ever had with authority is that they were not it.

    Of course, times have “progressed”…

  38. Rex Anger says:

    The slowdown in infections in India was caused by lockdowns and other such social distancing measures

    m0ntard has no understanding of how life in the third world actually works.

    In places like India and Africa and many parts of South America etc., if you do not get out and buy/forage/gather/farm/work, etc., you do not eat that day.

    And all the legions of foreign bugmen chanting slogans will not overcome the desire to avoid hunger.

    ‘Locking down’ your population is a rich, First-Worlder’s game. And even that foolishness runs the same risk of people becoming too hungry and too desperate to agree to be ‘frightened.’

  39. Tel says:

    It was the second week in May when Goa started handing out free Ivermectin, and the WHO jumped up and down recommending against it, and the compliant media bleated about how the FDA had not approved it.

    https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/india

    At that time there were just short of 4 million “cases” in India, where a “case” can be any positive test result regardless of whether the person is sick or not … even it includes counts of multiple test results from the same person. Anyhow, since they switched to Ivermectin this case count has dropped almost by half … an impressive result no matter how you want to measure it.

    The death rate is also dropping, although not by as much but some lag would be expected there.

  40. Boambee John says:

    m0nty says:
    May 30, 2021 at 9:29 am
    The slowdown in infections in India was caused by lockdowns and other such social distancing measures. Ivermectin does nothing, just like HCQ. Remember when you lot were all over HCQ? Then medical trials showed it did nothing at all to cure COVID.

    Thank you Dr munty, PhD (Medicine), PhD (Biological Science).

  41. calli says:

    Rex Anger says:
    May 30, 2021 at 10:11 am

    Thanks for that, Rex.

    A person who had lived a cushy western life would not understand that. You have to see it lived at first hand, or have an imagination that can place you there.

  42. m0nty says:

    I lived in India for two years. I know what it can be like. More than most of you could say, I bet.

  43. Judge Dredd says:

    I lived in India for two years.

    The problem with liars monty, is that no one believe you because you’re a liar.

  44. Iain Russell says:

    I notice the shooting death of Sasha Johnson of BLM-UK fame is being barely reported here. Why? ‘Cos the accused are five BIPOCs. Doesn’t fit the narrative at all.

  45. another ian says:

    @Boambee John says:
    May 30, 2021 at 11:03 am
    m0nty says:
    May 30, 2021 at 9:29 am
    The slowdown in infections in India was caused by lockdowns and other such social distancing measures. Ivermectin does nothing, just like HCQ. Remember when you lot were all over HCQ? Then medical trials showed it did nothing at all to cure COVID.

    Thank you Dr munty, PhD (Medicine), PhD (Biological Science).”

    PhD – doesn’t that stand for “Piled Higher and Deeper”?

  46. Herodotus says:

    Don’t stop there, monty. Tell us you invented technology.

  47. Rex Anger says:

    I lived in India for two years.

    And probably never went anywhere outside your workplace and gated, secured compound with armed guards. And never without a driver or other guide…

  48. m0nty says:

    I have this anti-tiger rock to sell you guys, it’s coated with ivermectin, protects against all tiger attacks. Only three hundred dollars, cheap at twice the price!

    The drop in Indian cases happened weeks before the ivermectin guidelines were released. And LOL if you think most Indians have the money to buy ivermectin as an optional preventive medicine even if they wanted to.

  49. Ed Case says:

    I notice the shooting death of Sasha Johnson of BLM-UK fame is being barely reported here. Why? ‘Cos the accused are five BIPOCs. Doesn’t fit the narrative at all.

    Not breally.
    With the ownership of the BLM Franchise comes Corporate $$$$s.
    It appears the killers were trying to muscle in on Johnsonb’s racket.
    Widespread coverage would risk letting the cat out of the bag, viz:
    BLM is a Government invented and protected, Corporate financed deception.
    WalMart paid BLM/US $23 million a few months ago not to trash their stores.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if the same dynamic, on a greatly reduced scale, is responsible for the ongoing clan violence in Aboriginal Communities.

  50. dover_beach says:

    Weinstein/ Hating on Ivermectin and COVID.
    And
    Campbell on Ivermectin prophylactic study from India
    Come on, monty, tell us it’s all lies.

  51. Ed Case says:

    And LOL if you think most Indians have the money to buy ivermectin as an optional preventive medicine even if they wanted to.

    Distributed free by the State Governments.
    Mindblowing if daily death figures for all causes drops in India while this program is implemented.

  52. dover_beach says:

    Ivermectin is off patent, Monty. It’s cheap as chips you clown.

  53. Dot says:

    munty cannot rebutt a single point I made.

    I’ve toasted his donuts.

  54. Rex Anger says:

    The drop in Indian cases happened weeks before the ivermectin guidelines were released.

    You mean that all those people trying to live despite your insane ideals about lockdown, and dodging same on a daily basis, got immune?

    Remarkable!

    And not a jab in sight…

  55. Dot says:

    The drop in Indian cases happened weeks before the ivermectin guidelines were released. And LOL if you think most Indians have the money to buy ivermectin as an optional preventive medicine even if they wanted to.

    About three weeks ago was the height of the Indian deaths and hospital crisis.

    You’re full of shit.

  56. m0nty says:

    If you follow my link, Dot, you will note that the shift in R is more important as an immediate indicator than the shift in reported cases, which have a lag.

  57. Xenophon says:

    CDC says trials have not proved anything. Also possibility that dosage needed as antiviral may be toxic.

  58. dover_beach says:

    Study linked above shows that hospital staff in India given a regimen of ivemectin reduced there risk of contracting COVID by 87%.

  59. Dot says:

    Stop pretending you can comprehend basic algebra monty.

    You were caught out lying, be a man and suck it up.

  60. Struth says:

    If a doctor wishes to treat a patient with Ivermectin and the patient agrees, and you step in and stop this happening, when that patient dies you are a murderer.

  61. m0nty says:

    No wonder you quit economics Dot, you obviously have a problem with basic concepts like lagging indicators.

  62. stevem says:

    Why is ivermectin success never reported in the mainstream news?

    I have no idea,but I’m sure the drug companies are not doing anything to suppress it. Invermectin is out of patent and costs about $0.50 for a course or treatment. Remdesivir is still patened and about $3,000 for a course of treatment.

  63. calli says:

    M0nty, apologies. I remember you mentioning your time in India on this very blog.

    How old were you? I’m thinking a young teenager, but that could be my memory playing tricks.

  64. calli says:

    That was easy.

    m0nty says:
    March 23, 2021 at 9:36 am
    True story: my mum was an extra in the film of A Passage To India, which was filmed in Bangalore when our family were living there. We had Nigel Havers over for dinner, lovely chap, just like he is on screen.

    So 1984 or thereabouts. Around the time I was in the PNG Highlands.

    Quite an eyeopener, a window on another world.

  65. m0nty says:

    Yes calli, 82 to 84.

  66. calli says:

    I always liked Havers. I’m glad he was likeable off screen too.

  67. dover_beach says:

    Notice how Monty is ignoring the ivermectin studies linked above because…he lived in India as a boy.

  68. Boambee John says:

    m0nty says:
    May 30, 2021 at 11:47 am
    I lived in India for two years.

    Caught out (by Brian of Moorabin??) on the dates. That is how “reliable” munty’s memories of India are.

  69. m0nty says:

    Come on, monty, tell us it’s all lies.

    Lies is perhaps a strong word, but you don’t do science by anecdote and without peer review or placebo groups.

    Given the previous history of failure with HCQ as a miracle cure on this site, I am inclined to think you lot are going to get this one horribly wrong as well.

  70. PB says:

    I wonder though if there are any studies yet covering reinfection after Ivermectin therapy?

  71. Ed Case says:

    Perhaps Invermectin reduces the average Indian’s parasite Load, thereby strengthening his Immune System.
    I’m thinking we’re talking about poor Indians here, no Nawabs of Pataudi are cominbg down with “covid”

  72. dover_beach says:

    Lies is perhaps a strong word, but you don’t do science by anecdote and without peer review or placebo groups.

    Around 4000 participants is anecdote! The paper post for comment not peer reviewed! There is no placebo group! You are desperately searching for excuses, Monty.

  73. Frank says:

    you will note that the shift in R is more important as an immediate indicator than the shift in reported cases, which have a lag.

    Is anyone claiming that ivermectin can stop the spread of covid? Isn’t it the case that it is useful as a treatment once you have it. Individual mortality rates once infected versus transmission rates are different measures.

  74. Keith Forwheels says:

    Monty is a valuable contributor to the Cat. He reminds us of what should always be resisted. His instinct is unerring in its accuracy. I’ve lurked here for many, many years, and it has never been any different. Monty. The king, nay, the emperor, of wrongology.

  75. dover_beach says:

    No, Frank, Ivermectin appears to be effective both as prophylactic and as treatment for COVID. See my links upthread.

  76. Frank says:

    dover_beach says:
    May 30, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    OK, I didn’t realise the prophylactic aspect as well.

    Does Monty accept the treatment value of it for those once infected? That alone is valuable since it allow for better odds of recovery and, presumably, over the long term natural herd immunity would occur.

  77. A quick question if I may:
    Has anyone done any studies on Hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of viruseses like Ross River and Epstein Barr 5 years after infection?

  78. Howard Hill says:

    They need their guts cut out and then used to hang polyticians!!

    Mark A:

    No worries, Howard.
    I’m with you and agree.

    I’m with HH and MarkA, but need clarification on method of gut extraction.
    Via nose, or mouth, or arse?
    Or should a new orifice be made with a blunt and rusty axe?
    Think carefully, chaps. My vote depends on the enthusiasm of the answer…

  79. Frank says:

    Arse, under epidural so they can watch.

  80. Boambee John says:

    m0nty says:
    May 30, 2021 at 4:26 pm
    Come on, monty, tell us it’s all lies.

    Lies is perhaps a strong word, but you don’t do science by anecdote and without peer review or placebo groups.

    Please inform the climate alarmists.

  81. m0nty says:

    Does Monty accept the treatment value of it for those once infected? That alone is valuable since it allow for better odds of recovery and, presumably, over the long term natural herd immunity would occur.

    Sure, it probably helps a bit. No reason to change any policies regarding lockdowns or vaccines though, they are still necessary.

    It is interesting that its manufacturer Merck does not recommend ivermectin for prophylactic use, and rejects any notion of it being useful as a prophylactic.

  82. Timothy Neilson says:

    Given the previous history of failure with HCQ as a miracle cure on this site,

    What “failure”?
    HCQ plus zinc has strong anecdotal support. Has there been a study that disproved that? Bogus studies where they test HCQ without zinc are irrelevant to the claims for HCQ plus zinc.

  83. m0nty says:

    Oh dear, Tim N. You are really grasping at straws now.

  84. Timothy Neilson says:

    Oh dear, Tim N. You are really grasping at straws now.

    English translation: m0nty’s claim is bogus but he needs to keep making it cuz Orange Man Bad.

  85. m0nty says:

    There is no scientific basis for HCQ plus zinc being any more efficacious that HCQ on its own. None. That is not a thing. There is no way it could be a thing. You are an idiot.

  86. duncanm says:

    Ivermectin used as a prophylactic
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33259913/
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33795896/

    The second is most instructive – significantly lower rates of covid infection and mortality in countries where Ivermectin is used in river blindness control programs.

  87. dover_beach says:

    It is interesting that its manufacturer Merck does not recommend ivermectin for prophylactic use, and rejects any notion of it being useful as a prophylactic.

    That would be because their patent ran out and now can be produced by anyone. Also, they got $356M from the US govt to investigate a therapeutic for COVID days after making their statement re invemectin. Finally, emergency use of experimental vaccines depended upon no available alternative, See here. So there was a lot to be gained materially, not merely by Merck, but by Big Pharma generally.

  88. duncanm says:

    m0nty says:
    May 30, 2021 at 8:02 pm
    There is no scientific basis for HCQ plus zinc being any more efficacious that HCQ on its own. None. That is not a thing. There is no way it could be a thing. You are an idiot.

    AJM, Jan 2021: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934320306732

    Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is an antimalarial/anti-inflammatory drug that impairs endosomal transfer of virions within human cells. HCQ is also a zinc ionophore that conveys zinc intracellularly to block the SARS-CoV-2 RNA-dependent RNA polymerase, which is the core enzyme of the virus replication

  89. m0nty says:

    I was speaking specifically about its use against COVID, duncan. Specifically, HCQ does nothing to fight COVID, and HCQ plus zinc also does nothing. 1.5 (or whatever) times zero is still zero.

  90. duncanm says:

    read the paper. Even the title will do.

    Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection

  91. m0nty says:

    That would be because their patent ran out and now can be produced by anyone. Also, they got $356M from the US govt to investigate a therapeutic for COVID days after making their statement re invemectin. Finally, emergency use of experimental vaccines depended upon no available alternative, See here. So there was a lot to be gained materially, not merely by Merck, but by Big Pharma generally.

    I would believe your conspiracy theory, db, if it involved Merck covering its arse against claims by rubes who would take any positive noise by the company as proof that it works, and when it doesn’t work they want to sue whoever said it did.

    Your actual conspiracy theory is indistinguishable from the rantings of a crazy person.

  92. m0nty says:

    Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection

    I am not even arguing about early outpatient treatment, duncan. You may be right on that for all I know. What I am arguing against is its use prior to infection as a prophylactic. That is the bit that is causing most of the fuss.

  93. Rex Anger says:

    Your actual conspiracy theory is indistinguishable from the rantings of a crazy person.

    NPC is as NPC does…

  94. Timothy Neilson says:

    I am not even arguing about early outpatient treatment, duncan. You may be right on that for all I know. What I am arguing against is its use prior to infection as a prophylactic.

    Watch those goalposts break the sound barrier!

    This all started with you braying Given the previous history of failure with HCQ as a miracle cure on this site,…

    You fat idiot.

  95. dover_beach says:

    I would believe your conspiracy theory, db, if it involved Merck covering its arse against claims by rubes who would take any positive noise by the company as proof that it works, and when it doesn’t work they want to sue whoever said it did.

    Your actual conspiracy theory is indistinguishable from the rantings of a crazy person

    Dear oh dear.

  96. dover_beach says:

    Well then, monty, assuming you viewed the link, why would you think Merck would query the safety of a drug all of a sudden, given they had produced it for over 40 years and distributed to hundreds of million people?

  97. Dot says:

    m0nty says:
    May 30, 2021 at 2:44 pm
    No wonder you quit economics Dot, you obviously have a problem with basic concepts like lagging indicators.

    What the fuck?

    Now Indian cases started dropping…weeks before!

    Unless you specifically mean two weeks ago, you’re full of shit!

    Now this is full of shit. When was Ivermectin used?

    People were dying en masse 3 – 4 weeks ago.

    They were given Ivermectin and the death toll dropped.

    From 19 days ago, lunkhead.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/05/11/indian-state-will-offer-ivermectin-to-entire-adult-population—even-as-who-warns-against-its-use-as-covid-19-treatment/

    monty thinks the recent stuff in India peaked six weeks ago?

    You’re making it up as you go along you fat wanker.

  98. Dot says:

    Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection


    m0nty says:
    May 30, 2021 at 8:17 pm
    I was speaking specifically about its use against COVID, duncan. Specifically, HCQ does nothing to fight COVID, and HCQ plus zinc also does nothing. 1.5 (or whatever) times zero is still zero.

    —–

    Shut up you malignant fuckhead.

  99. dover_beach says:

    Dot, two things explain the bias against Ivermectin, the fear of being proven wrong, and, the need to defend their rash support of lockdowns.

  100. Dot says:

    dover it’s lazy thinking too.

    Some people were once told antibiotics can never work against viruses, so it must be true for all time.

    9 April 2018
    Paul Biegler

    Antibiotics do work on viruses
    Research shows anti-bacterial drugs can also kill viruses.

    https://cosmosmagazine.com/biology/antibiotics-do-work-on-viruses/

    Everybody knows antibiotics don’t work on viruses, right? Not, it turns out, if you’re a female mouse with a nasty case of genital herpes, in which case a well-timed dose of antibiotic might be just the thing, according to new research published in the journal Nature Microbiology.

    The researchers, led by Akiko Iwasaki from the Department of Immunobiology at Yale University in New Haven, US, infected mice with the herpes simplex virus – no trifling matter in rodents. The virus migrates from the vagina to the spinal cord resulting in hind limb paralysis, hair loss and, in some cases, death.

    However, mice that were pre-treated with the antibiotic neomycin, used in humans to treat ear and skin infection and to sterilise the bowel before gut surgery, were largely spared this fate. They displayed, write the authors, “little to no disease pathology”.

    How could antibiotics, which the received wisdom says are only effective against bacteria, possibly kill viruses?

    Neomycin, it seems, is able to hack into the body’s virus-slaying mechanism by recruiting dendritic cells, key regulators of the immune system. The result is a bumping up, by as much as two-to-fivefold, of the expression of genes stimulated by the immune protein interferon, which produce a range of virus-killing substances.

    And the good news isn’t limited to herpes.

    A shot of neomycin up the nose was able to ward off influenza A in 40% of mice, also by boosting those interferon-stimulated genes, this time in the lung. On top of that, the researchers found that kasugamycin, an antibiotic belonging to the same class as neomycin, shut down replication of the devastating mosquito-borne virus known as zika, linked to stunted head and brain growth in babies of women infected during pregnancy.

  101. Boambee John says:

    I see tyat Professor munty, PhD and three Bars is stillmeducating the peasantry on various medications.

    I hope that his Professional Indemnity insurance is up to date.

  102. Tel says:

    What the fuck?

    Now Indian cases started dropping…weeks before!

    He he … show me any news articles that were written around early May 2021 telling us how India was doing fine, cases were dropping and the problem is under control.

    Bet no one can find a single article … because back in early May the narrative was the exact opposite. The “Progressives” still have not adjusted to the concept that everyone can now go back and check what they talking points were last week and the week before and point out the flip floppers.

  103. m0nty says:

    Well then, monty, assuming you viewed the link, why would you think Merck would query the safety of a drug all of a sudden, given they had produced it for over 40 years and distributed to hundreds of million people?

    They didn’t query the safety of it at all, db. Stop lying.

    They said there wasn’t any definitive evidence to say that it did anything to cure or prevent COVID-19. Which is entirely true. And they would know, seeing as they made it.

  104. m0nty says:

    Now Indian cases started dropping…weeks before!

    Do you understand the difference between reported cases and R, Dot? Evidently you don’t. Infections happens before case reports, often many days before as there can be an incubation period. This means case reports are a lagging indicator of infections.

    Basic scientific concepts Dot, do you understand them?

  105. dover_beach says:

    They didn’t query the safety of it at all, db. Stop lying.

    From your own link:

    Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

    No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
    No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
    A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

    In bold just in case you missed it a second time, Monty.

    They said there wasn’t any definitive evidence to say that it did anything to cure or prevent COVID-19. Which is entirely true. And they would know, seeing as they made it.

    How would they know its prophylactic or therapeutic effects re COVID having never conducted any trials themselves?

  106. dover_beach says:

    By the way, I noticed the following sleight of hand:

    They said there wasn’t any definitive evidence

    We have gone from no evidence to no definitive evidence. Shame on you, Monty. Shame.

  107. m0nty says:

    A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

    Saying that the studies didn’t have safety data is not questioning the safety of the drug. It is perfectly safe when used as per decades-old known use cases, mostly on animals. Like practically every drug, it would not be safe when used in toxically large doses on humans – which, as per the test tube results, might be the only way it would be effective against COVID-19.

    Merck was questioning the quality of the studies, not the quality of its drug.

  108. m0nty says:

    We have gone from no evidence to no definitive evidence. Shame on you, Monty. Shame.

    I never said there was no evidence that it was useful.What I said was:

    It is interesting that its manufacturer Merck does not recommend ivermectin for prophylactic use, and rejects any notion of it being useful as a prophylactic.

    Which is entirely true. They may change their mind after more testing, but at the moment they reject ivermectin being used to prevent COVID-19.

  109. Timothy Neilson says:

    A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies….

    Saying that the studies didn’t have safety data is not questioning the safety of the drug.

    What was “concerning” them, m0nty?

  110. Rex Anger says:

    What was “concerning” them, m0nty?

    That someone was daring to empirically contest the Narrative.

    Remember, only Communism and non-vaccinating (i.e. non immunity-conferring) “vaccines’ are allowed to save us from this woeful plague that 99.97% of all people infected are surviving…

  111. Kneel says:

    “…this woeful plague that 99.97% of all people infected are surviving…”

    30 per 100,000.
    What’s the vax “severe event” numbers again?

  112. m0nty says:

    What was “concerning” them, m0nty?

    That the drug might be misused beyond the use cases they had already established were safe. Not that the drug was unsafe if used in exactly the way they had tested thoroughly.

  113. dover_beach says:

    That the drug might be misused beyond the use cases they had already established were safe. Not that the drug was unsafe if used in exactly the way they had tested thoroughly.

    LOL. Just LOL.

    I never said there was no evidence that it was useful.

    This was you upthread:

    Ivermectin does nothing, just like HCQ. Remember when you lot were all over HCQ? Then medical trials showed it did nothing at all to cure COVID.

    Ivermectin, a veterinary drug, is literally snake oil in this context.

  114. dover_beach says:

    That the drug might be misused beyond the use cases they had already established were safe. Not that the drug was unsafe if used in exactly the way they had tested thoroughly.

    In Africa, linked above by duncanm, the study involved nothing more than the incidence of COVID countrywide where ivermectin was used as part of a mass program to reduce river blindness and other diseases so they would have been taking ivermectin dosages within the prescribed limits vs those countries not so engaged. Re my second link, to the study looking at hospital workers in India, they were prescribed a dosage of 0.3 mg, and then a further dose three days later, and that’s it for a month. Right in the middle of a safe, recommended dosage (0.2-0.4mg).

  115. m0nty says:

    The drug approval situation in India is a shemozzle. The fact that they have had HCQ on the approved list since January and yet they still had a second wave should tell you something.

    The second wave has ripped through south India, you lot are focusing on Tamil Nadu due to a leftist getting elected as governor recently but COVID us all over neighbouring states too. There is no prophylactic wonder drug. Vaccines are the only solution.

  116. Rex Anger says:

    There is no prophylactic wonder drug. Vaccines are the only solution.

    Nice talking point you got there. Be a terrible shame if something happened to it…

  117. dover_beach says:

    Monty reverts to arm-waving.

  118. Dot says:

    Do you understand the difference between reported cases and R, Dot? Evidently you don’t. Infections happens before case reports, often many days before as there can be an incubation period. This means case reports are a lagging indicator of infections.

    Basic scientific concepts Dot, do you understand them?

    Oh okay montell, COVID incubates for 21+ days does it?

    The incubation period is 2 – 14 days, champ.

  119. dover_beach says:

    monty, how come lockdowns aren’t working in Tamil Nadu?

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