Ivermectin the story continues

If we do not approve ivermectin in Australia as a means of treating Covid then there are a lot of people in very high places who will be complicit in the deaths of many of our fellow Australians. This is one more piece of evidence: Ivermectin: Whole of Country Trials in Real Time. This is how the article begins.

The Chicoms have a better understanding of the Wuhan virus than most. Recently they increased the quarantine period for those going into China from 14 days to 21 days. Internal travel in China requires permits now.

How is the rest of the world coping?

 

 

The Czechs were having a hard time from the virus, with deaths averaging 180 per day and overcrowded intensive care units for months on end. That is until 8th March, when ivermectin was approved for use in the country. Two months later deaths are down 93%.

Now read the rest of the article where there are additional case studies. Meanwhile, what is keeping us from approving ivermectin right now as a treatment for Covid?

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34 Responses to Ivermectin the story continues

  1. Paul says:

    Many will be complicit

    And that’s exactly why they will do everything they can to stop Ivermectin and HCQ

  2. m0nty says:

    LOL, this is junk.

    Czech Republic ramped up its vaccination program at the same time, as did everyone else. The second case study is Slovakia, where ivermectin was approved in January, and cases didn’t start dropping until vaccinations ramped up in March.

    These are not scientific trials in the slightest.

  3. mem says:

    Big pharma has deep pockets that enable pressure to be put on politicians, medical approval boards and media. It can even commission research to discredit competing products.

  4. Baa Humbug says:

    Meanwhile, what is keeping us from approving ivermectin right now as a treatment for Covid?

    Fucking imbeciles like Monty. Politicians are cowards at best of times. They’re shit scared of all the Monties in the media should something go wrong.

  5. Joanna Smythe says:

    There are a few people who are talking about Ivermectin and HCQ i.e. Alan Jones, Rowan Dean and I have heard Corey Bernardi mention it, all on Sky where, so far, they are being allowed a voice. If they are allowed to keep talking then eventually the facts will get out. The problem is, will they be silenced.

  6. Snotball says:

    Not much money to be made from Ivermectin. And does anyone really believe politicians and big drug companies care about anything other than getting re-elected in the case of the former and Hugh profits in the case of the latter. Our business and political leaders are actively working against our interests and they wonder why no-one respects them any more!

  7. Kneel says:

    “…cases didn’t start dropping until vaccinations ramped up in March. “

    Nice vaccine you got there Monty.
    Be a real shame if anything happened to it.
    Wouldn’t want to see its provisional approval get nixed by an off-patent medicine or anything.
    Capice?

  8. Boambee John says:

    mem says:
    May 31, 2021 at 2:29 pm
    Big pharma has deep pockets that enable pressure to be put on politicians, medical approval boards and media.

    Seems that pressure can even be put on overweight donut snufflers hiding in a basement under lockdown?

  9. mareeS says:

    This Ivermectin/HCQ phobia came out of Trump-phobia, not medical science. It has been political and big tech/big pharma, but that isn’t washing nowif we are to live with this virus.

  10. harrys on the boat says:

    Monty is troubled. The greatest thing to happen in his life, COVID and the subsequent lockdown, might not be so great after all. By virtue signalling how woke he is by getting jabbed by an unproven vaccine. Showing his allegiance to government, bureaucrats and big pharma. He’s now seeing himself as the chin dribbling, clinically obese, spastic, everyone else has seen him as for years.

    A virus children are immune too, that does nothing to healthy people under 60 and only affects a small number of over 80 year olds. A virus that can by beaten by fresh air, sunlight and washing your hands. And can be cured by dirt cheap drugs that have been around for decades.

    What was it Birdy used to say about ladies toilets and borrowed neck ties?

  11. Lee says:

    Who’d have thought it – M0nty a shill for Big Pharma?

  12. Greg J says:

    Ivermectin has been proven in hundreds of studies to be highly effective in the treatment of CV-19, both as a preventative and as a treatment. Restricting its use is political/medical malfeasance.

  13. Mango Man says:

    GregJ: Or, as CDC and FDA say, discouraging its use may stop you dying from its toxic effect.

  14. Dr Faustus says:

    That is until 8th March, when ivermectin was approved for use in the country. Two months later deaths are down 93%.

    When you look at the Czech case data you also see that the daily number of new Covid cases has fallen by a similarly huge margin since early March. That fall is due to something other than Ivermectin as that was used to treat severe diagnosed cases rather than as prophylaxis in the uninflected population.

    Given cases lead deaths by about two weeks you would have to believe in a causal link between reduced cases and reduced deaths, rather than attributing the improvement to Ivermectin alone.

    And it doesn’t seem to be vaccination: the Czech population vaccination rate in March was less than 10% in March and is currently approaching 25% – well less than where herd immunity is said to kick in.

    Perhaps Spring?

  15. Kneel says:

    “…discouraging its [Ivermectin] use may stop you dying from its toxic effect.”

    You do realise that the toxicity dosage is somewhere above 10 times an effective medicial dose, right? That the sheep/cattle “dip” would be medicinal for a man at about 10ml or so (based on weight), and that farm hands would be regularly exposed to many times this amount and there are very few cases of any effects of that? It’s extremely effective as both an anti-parasitic and an anti-viral, and decades of use and a large error margin, dose wise, mean it is fairly safe, especially when taken as prescribed.
    Blah – science! Orange Man Bad is all that matters, right?

  16. SIMON NICHOLAS MORGAN says:

    Life now resembles the tv show the Prisoner. Every time we glimpse a possibility of escape from our lunatic asylum, along trundles that big white ball.

    Temporary lockdown over! White ball (only kidding!). Back to jail with you.
    Vaccines available! White Ball (not 100% reliable, side effects). Back to jail you go.
    IVM & HCQ wonder drugs! White Ball (approved by Orange Man Bad!!). Back to jail.

  17. Waz says:

    These two examples are far more convincing than tyeh Czech ones
    1. Uttar Pradesh Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases (trialsitenews.com)
    2. Mexico Widespread distribution of ivermectin proves effective in Mexico against COVID-19 (trialsitenews.com)

  18. duncanm says:

    The other quite convincing data point is an analysis of African countries, comparing covid infections and deaths across countries which do (or don’t) have an Ivermectin River-blindness control program (African Programme for Onchocerciasis Control (APOC)).

    Results: After controlling for different factors, including the Human Development Index (HDI), APOC countries (vs. non-APOC), show 28% lower mortality (0.72; 95% CI: 0.67-0.78) and 8% lower rate of infection (0.92; 95% CI: 0.91-0.93) due to COVID-19.

    Conclusions: The incidence in mortality rates and number of cases is significantly lower among the APOC countries compared to non-APOC countries. That a mass public health preventive campaign against COVID-19 may have taken place, inadvertently, in some African countries with massive community ivermectin use is an attractive hypothesis. Additional studies are needed to confirm it.

  19. bill says:

    But UK death rate is down even more (99%). UK does not use Ivermectin AFAIK, is that incorrect??

    It is important to be open minded, but Ivermectin is used to treat parasitic skin etc conditions. It isn’t an antiviral, so I think this is all a bit unlikely.

    But it would certainly be worth doing a quick test on severe Covid cases in western hospital conditions. If the claims made a true, it should show unmistakable results quickly. (I’d be a bit sceptical about reports from a few places in India, Mexico etc).

  20. David says:

    We can’t use it because Craig Kelly recommended it. It’s scientifically proven that anything Craig Kelly is for must be wrong.

  21. Vicki says:

    Jo Nova has a very comprehensive discussion today on her website.

    Just as the general media are now finally taking an interest in the work of more diligent investigators re the “lab escape” evidence, so I hope there will be a reversal of the general disinterest in the efficacy of Ivermectin.

    It is infuriating that at present you need a prescription for even the basic dose of the stuff for head lice.

    As I’ve said here before, we use vet product Ausmectin on our cattle as a drench for parasites. It is very effective. In view of the indication in use for CV we have also used it earlier this year as a possible preventative of Bovine Ephemeral Fever, a virus which caused sickness & a death in our herd last year. No sign of BEF in the herd in the months when it normally appears, though neighbours had outbreak. Many just laugh & say it only works for parasites. Who knows?

  22. Leo G says:

    m0nty says at 2:17 pm

    LOL, this is junk.
    Czech Republic ramped up its vaccination program at the same time, as did everyone else.

    It may well be junk, but so is your assertion about the Czech vaccination program. At present about 15% are fully vaccinated, though a much higher proportion of the over 70s and the most succeptible were vaccinated early.

  23. Mango Man says:

    Kneel: FDA and CDC etc are very clear indeed. This is not a safe therapy and its efficacy is not in any case proven. They’ve gone to the trouble of spelling it out. (And if Dr Trump is your medico, I’d avoid surgery too if I were you.)

  24. dover_beach says:

    Kneel: FDA and CDC etc are very clear indeed. This is not a safe therapy and its efficacy is not in any case proven.

    LOL. There is nothing unsafe about ivermectin taken in the recommended dosages. In all the studies I’ve seen, they have used 0.3mg which is smack bang in the middle of 0.2-0.4mg as recommended.

  25. dover_beach says:

    Addendum: that should be 0.3mg/kg of body weight. Safe levels, 0.2-0.4mg/kg of body weight.

  26. Bruce in WA says:

    Kneel: FDA and CDC etc are very clear indeed. This is not a safe therapy and its efficacy is not in any case proven.

    No, what they are saying is: “We don’t know what it does for CV-19. It may indeed work, but until we deign to give you permission, you can’t take it”.

    As for an overdose being fatal, well, yes, that’s not unusual — 24g of Paracetamol is generally accepted to be a fatal dose, for example. But we can still buy it without prescription (so far).

  27. Xenophon says:

    Bruce: no one is refusing you the choice. But CDC etc are plainly advising against it. You remain completely free to use a worm treatment as an antiviral. Just don’t expect anyone to think that terribly smart.

  28. Tel says:

    Empirically tested … cash beats Czech.

  29. dover_beach says:

    Bruce: no one is refusing you the choice. But CDC etc are plainly advising against it. You remain completely free to use a worm treatment as an antiviral. Just don’t expect anyone to think that terribly smart.

    And yet doctors are using ivermectin as a treatment of COVID in hospitals and reporting positive results. While African and Indian studies indicate it is efficacious as a prophylactic. What an amazing ‘worm treatment’!

  30. Mango Man says:

    Dover Beach: curious that “doctors” are conducting experiments with a worm treatment that is not an anti-viral on virus patients. Kindly advise which hospitals we should avoid.
    FDA, CDC, etc are very, very plain on this.

  31. dover_beach says:

    I’ve already dealt with the scaremongering of the CDC and FDA, Mango.

  32. Kneel says:

    “FDA, CDC, etc are very, very plain on this.”

    Yes, they have been.
    They have admitted they have no data on if it works or not, so they don’t recommend it.
    That’s not a reason to “ban” it for that use – if it can still be used “off label” by doctors, then that is fine. If they are saying “if you prescribe this, you will be charged” or similar, then that is wrong.
    There are plenty of doctors globally who say it works, at least to some degree and for some patients. No double-blind studies etc. Surely a therapeutic that works against all variants is more useful than a vaccine that protects only against some, and getting data on what works, even if no full double-blind studies have been done as yet, is the right way to go.
    The only reason to “ban” the use if HCQ and/or Ivermectin as a treatment is to protect the “provisional approval”/EUA for the vaccine(s), because these are not typically granted if there is an effective treatment. If you don’t know if it’s effective, and there is anecdotal evidence from doctors that it does work (that is, they have used it and seen recovery, but haven’t done a double-blind study yet), then why has there been no effort to do the controlled trials etc? Surely that is only right and proper, yet if anything we are seeing this downplayed and dismissed as “not proven”. It’s “not proven” because the trial haven’t been done! Do the freaking trials!

  33. Xenophon says:

    I don’t get this line of argument. NIH, CDC and FDA all – according to undocumented informal “doctors” which conducted human experiments – deliberately barring a treatment for this virus? Seriously? Their view is unequivocal.
    I also note that some who appear to favour this curious option also view the actual vaccines as dangerously experimental.

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