Muddy – Beer Wench

I hope that former U.S. President Donald Trump does not choose to stand for election again. I hope this because I believe that conservatism possesses an unhealthy dependence upon messiah-like figures.

This dependence allows an abrogation of personal and subcultural responsibility. The successes of the political messiah are celebrated as ‘ours,’ and the failures as his or hers; we were ‘let down,’ she or he did not live up to our expectations, which is obviously his/her fault. We deserve better, but we shouldn’t have to wait for that ‘better,’ nor actively produce it.

It allows conservatism to metaphorically slip off the pants, flop into a comfortable armchair, and demand ‘Get me a beer, woman!’

Donald Trump was not our beer wench. At the risk of feeding a tract of intestinal worms, neither was former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott. It doesn’t stop conservatives engaging in incessant what-ifs, however, as though repetition will trigger a rewinding of history.

Those what-ifs have not produced measurable outcomes: evaluation of past strategies and, where necessary and practical, adapted or new strategies.

The lesson that does not seem to have been learned – or even acknowledged – about the Trump Presidency, is that rather than a single individual (Trump himself) letting his voters down, it was the latter – at least those of them with the means to act, beyond simply at the ballot box – who let the President, and the whole country down.

His and our opponents made no secret of their intentions and desires. They literally shouted them from the streets, television, social media, and Hollyweird, ad nauseum.  I’m not referring to the election result here; that’s an issue which may never be satisfactorily resolved. Leaving that outcome aside, and acknowledging that the details of funding and co-ordination for much of the activities remain opaque, the intentions to damage the man, his family, businesses, the party he represented, and the United States wholly, were obvious, and indeed celebrated. Yet the core MAGA crew did nothing. The highlighting of hypocrisy is nothing, because it achieved nothing. The outcomes of this highlighting of hypocrisy were not measured because there is no means to quantify delusion.

If you have to ask ‘What could we/they have done?’ you are proving my point.  You’re not thinking. You are reacting to stimuli, which is about all conservative activity amounts to. Initiative? Nah, they’ll trip themselves up soon, then they’ll learn the error of their ways, give up (they’re probably just bored or misunderstood), and it’ll all be back to normal. Except for the massive damage they’ve achieved – for them, it is an achievement – in the meantime.

If a person – known or unknown to you – walks up, and states explicitly, multiple times, that they intend to punch you in the face, what do you do? Do you look at their dirty t-shirt that reads ‘Love is Love’ and verbally inform them of the contradiction between their apparel and their stated intention? Or do you quickly conclude that any attempt to trigger guilt or shame, thus producing a modification of their behaviour, is unlikely at this stage of arousal/escalation, and opt for another, more active response?

If Trump stands and wins again in 2024, the same will happen; only the details will change. Here in Australia, we will sit back and calmingly stroke ourselves while he turns his posterior toward us, squats and pushes out a golden egg, which magically floats across the Pacific and hatches into the saviour we’ve always demanded and deserved. ‘About time,’ we sigh (but not too loudly). ‘Now I can get back to the cricket/footy/synchronised extreme-knitting/lecturing about the importance of values to my universal remote control: ‘I have values, you know. Values!’

At the end of four years, we will fantasize about a new messiah, having in the meantime only left the sweaty comfort of our armchair to tend to one orifice or another.

Are conservatives still the fragile princess of traditional fairy tales, unwilling to help themselves in any manner, lest they break a fingernail or risk their social status as victims? Are we still waiting – while everything about us atrophies – for our ‘knight in shining armour (our messiah)’ to slay the dragon, and then present us with a beer/shandy?

Is the atrophy not just taking place within us, but all around us, yet we refuse to acknowledge it?

It is time to look past former President Trump. If he can be of further use, then certainly, we might continue to embrace him. But if he is the only individual or idea or strategy within our vision, we remain deluded that ‘Magic will happen,’ or ‘the Universe will provide.’ Unicorns exist.

Trump is not our beer wench.

Conservatism needs to propel its beer-belly from the saliva-stained armchair, and attempt the perilous journey to the fridge, alone. By doing so, maybe it will finally realise that the voluble noises from the kitchen were not the hippy neighbour Roger giving the wife free practical plumbing advice.

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166 Responses to Muddy – Beer Wench

  1. egg_ says:

    If he didn’t annoy Xi, he’d probably still be there.
    The problem with US politicians is parochialism/Xenophobia – dangerous on the world stage, where might is not always right.

  2. Primer says:

    So the threat to the globalist left from the Don and nation States is a real and present one. Excellent.

  3. Roger W says:

    So are you suggesting we all just “lock and load” and individually decide where to sally forth and when?
    All human success is built on working together in some organised fashion and that needs people who organise and someone who leads.
    I’m afraid that yours are the unicorn ideas.

  4. Albatross says:

    Accelerationist baloney.

  5. Iain Russell says:

    Pitchforks for the pot-bellied?

  6. egg_ says:

    So the threat to the globalist left from the Don and nation States is a real and present one.

    Yup, but defeating the Globalists is the aim.

  7. egg_ says:

    All human success is built on working together in some organised fashion and that needs people who organise and someone who leads.

    Trump should have rallied like States.

    Trumble rightly criticised the attack on the Pacific Alliance.

  8. John Comnenus says:

    The real message from the Trump era is that elected do not run the government. Powerful bureaucrats do. And they will frustrate any government that runs counter to their wishes. The left is in rough alignment with these powerful bureaucrats. But it’s the public service that runs the show.

  9. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Muddy – The problem is that the ordinary people are constantly betrayed by the people they elected to represent them.

    Trump is the only one who stood fast to the policies his voters wanted. The only one in about a century. The rest turned out to be elitists who were loyal to the elite class not to the conservative voters who they’d misrepresented themselves to.

    Consequently Trump should run again unless another valid representative can be found for the 90-95% of Republican voters who aren’t RINOs.

    And since he’s literally the only one in a century the chance of finding another representative for them is going to be tough – just as tough as it was for Trump to get Administration officials that did what he ordered them to do. For the same reason – the elite class sticks together.

    And that’s why if Trump stands in the primaries he’ll romp it in this time. The voters want someone to actually work for them, not for themselves and their mates.

  10. JC says:

    Muddy

    I hope that former U.S. President Donald Trump does not choose to stand for election again. I hope this because I believe that conservatism possesses an unhealthy dependence upon messiah-like figures.

    Get this straight, Muddy. The 20 election was stolen from Trump. A win in 24 would mean he’s righted a wrong.

  11. C.L. says:

    If you have to ask ‘What could we/they have done?’ you are proving my point. You’re not thinking.

    This sounds like a dodge to avoid answering a legitimate question.

    In any case, Trump was not a conservative – nor is a conservative what we need or want. Culturally speaking, the world as it is now must be razed, not conserved.

  12. Albatross says:

    John Comnenus says:
    June 8, 2021 at 9:24 am
    The real message from the Trump era is that elected do not run the government. Powerful bureaucrats do.

    This guy gets it. Trump has nothing more to show us.

  13. C.L. says:

    A win in 24 would mean he’s righted a wrong.

    Biden is now saying he wants a second term. Can you imagine what a campaign waged by that decrepit imbecile will look like in ’23?

    Watch for the COVID ‘strain’ that ‘surprises’ the ‘experts’ and requires new lockdowns in that year.

  14. Captain Katzenjammer says:

    The problem is that conservatism is ordinary, it’s normal. It has no banners, catch phrases or car bumper stickers proclaiming a wonderful world we must progress towards “on the right side of history”. It’s not utopian or messianic – it’s all the ordinary virtues and habits that have sustained cultures and communities for centuries. What Jordan Peterson states isn’t new.

  15. Primer says:

    The patched Republican grandees wax between condescension and hatred directed at the Don for the risibly immature reason that ‘he’s not like us darling’, a narcissist, a vulgarian, a shatterer of graven images. Well sure, and he’s also the only glimmer of light the US working class has seen since the US became run by K Street.

  16. mh says:

    I’m looking past Trump now. Trump has killed the CheneyBushRomney wing, and the new GOP is looking much better, imho. But I think it’s time for Trump to be more of a figurehead.

    Trump got absolutely reamed by the Deep State and the Swamp. Nothing got drained.
    The Fauci emails show powerful agendas of bad actors were being carried out right under Trump’s nose.

  17. Strayan Drongo says:

    Surely we need the most effective person at pushing ideas that you care about, at the moment the only leader who is pushing back hard enough against the cultural left is Trump. If you want someone else instead of Trump then they must be able to fight and fight like he does. Another Romney won’t work, just like hopeless ScoMo doesn’t work here. Abbott would still be the best leader for the right but he didn’t fight hard enough against the media or the left, and he is the hardest fighting leader we have had in a generation.

  18. Albatross says:

    mh says:
    June 8, 2021 at 9:55 am
    I’m looking past Trump now. Trump has killed the CheneyBushRomney wing, and the new GOP is looking much better, imho.

    Oh man, this is delicious!

  19. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Can you imagine what a campaign waged by that decrepit imbecile will look like in ’23?

    It would be comedy gold, but I can’t see it happening, somehow. I’ll be surprised if Geriatric Joe remains in the big chair for longer than about the next 12-18 months.

  20. sabena says:

    This column might have a point if Trump had failed to deliver.But that is not what happened-he delivered on a substantial number of his promises.
    If you don’t want Trump to run-who is your candidate?

  21. mh says:

    Sportsbet 2024 Presidential Election:

    Trump $8
    DeSantis $13

  22. mc says:

    I agree, this calls for immediate discussion!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW9_GqShJPg

  23. Richard says:

    The choice is clear – Ted Cruze, followed closely behind in the primaries by Rob Desantis.

  24. RobK says:

    The problem is that conservatism is ordinary, it’s normal.
    Also, promoting individual responsibilities and initiative means organising the masses is like herding cats. They all tend to be busy getting on with their lives.

  25. Tropical says:

    Trump will not run for election in 2924.
    All he is doing now is dragging the media away form doing to DeSantis what the corrupt US media and big tech did to Trump.
    Imagine the chaos in the Deep State if Trump got an influential position in a DeSantis administration.
    And it is working if you look at recent elections held in Texas.
    The republicans won over the Hispanic vote in big numbers.

  26. mh says:

    Trump will not run for election in 2924.

    Fact check: True ✅

  27. John Comnenus says:

    I think Trump must run, win and then investigate the bureaucrats who formed a coup against him in his first term culminating in the stolen election.

    It is critical for the survival of democracy, if fraud is proven – which I think it will be, that the rightful winner ascends the Presidency and that those were in the Coup against him get the maximum punishment available.

    There is nothing left to conserve in a democracy if the sanctity of the election winner actually taking office doesn’t matter. It is the most important principle followed by the power of the elected to rule over the appointed functionaries of state.

    Hence, Trump must win and Trump must deliver justice. If he doesn’t, then there is no democracy left to save. If the bureaucrats can stymy Trump, they will do the same to a DeSantis or Cruz or whoever else is a future GOP President.

    The bureaucrats must be punished to the harshest level possible to deter any other bureaucrats who get the idea that the appointed functionaries get to rule over the people’s elected representatives.

  28. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Imsure theowners of the corrupt incompetet child molester biden ,didnt realise he would deteriorate so much, once they put him up as their candidate they were stuck with him .The swamp aparats swung into action ,the only way they could win was by gross cheating ,with the aid of their media and social media co conspiritors .
    Now they are left with the dippy half Indan nobody likes . They are trashinng what little credibility tey ever had . I like De Santis ,seems down to earth ,be a credible running mate and unlike Pence is not a swampy .

  29. FlyingPigs says:

    Muddy

    good post.

    I agree that ‘we’ have to seize the day and not only that but every lever to political power from councils to shires to city hall… whatever…

    School boards, local government bits and pieces… whatever..

    In Australia we have 4 different forms of communist political parties ffs who just keep rattling the deckchairs while the ship is hitting the iceberg of UN globalist fascism…

    I love the bloke Trump because he showed a way that surely thousands of independent minded people should be looking at how he did it.

    Tony Abbott I wouldn’t piss on.

  30. Epicurious says:

    CL: “In any case, Trump was not a conservative – nor is a conservative what we need or want. Culturally speaking, the world as it is now must be razed, not conserved.”

    Unfortunately I have to agree with your last point. Left to its own “the world” will only get worse for succeeding generations so The Great Rupture not the Great Reset needs to happen, probably starting with the second civil war in the US. Perhaps its time to divide the US into two countries. This was postulated in a book written by Kurt Schlichter, a trial lawyer and retired US infantry colonel, called People’s Republic. An interesting read painting a picture of one country focussed on freedom and the other focused on control. Easy to make a decision on where to live unless of course you love the nanny state totalitarians running your life.

    So yes, a Razing is required. Interesting to read Alexis de Tocqueville’s 1856 book on the Ancien Regime and the Revolution as a primer to what could be expected in our futures.

  31. FlyingPigs says:

    and I don’t care if Trump is President again or not…

    I would love to see him become speaker of the House though.

    the fact is Menzies is dead.

    Reagan is dead

    Trump will be dead….

    but the communist worm never dies and people need to continually fight from one generation to the next.

    The constitution of Australia is now proven to be a shitty bit of toilet paper stuck on the side of the bowel to hell.

  32. duncanm says:

    John Comnenus says:
    June 8, 2021 at 9:24 am

    yup.

    we need a global reset of some form – of the political and industrial troughs which have grown to dictate the political landscape.

    Unfortunately, it’ll need to get uglier before it’s improved.

  33. Richard says:

    Sure, I want to see leftist media talking-heads on pikes. I want Doctors who proscribe cross-sex hormones to kids to be put up against the wall. I’m sure we all do. But our enemies are so powerful that we are having trouble organising. Perhaps if you yourself had the courage to talk in plain terms rather than mixed metaphors, we’d make quicker progress?

  34. billie says:

    the swamp runs America, they didn’t believe they needed to do much before Trump as they stayed in control whoever was elected and the legislation was written by mates who made their lives easy

    Trump upset that and had to go, and did

    now they will weaponise elections completely, even if they look ridiculous it doesn’t matter.

    the entertainment industry, MSM and Hollywood, supports them, as do the big tech companies

    the UN will have to put in election witness officials eventually when they want to restore democratic voting it will become so mainstream for the swamp to hand out leadership roles however they like

    we’re going the same way, a hostile government funded media organisation leads a pack of other like minded media against the government

    internally our public service is going the same way as the USA, states are already there

    these are people who don’t care who is in power, they will continue to do exactly what they want

  35. max says:

    POLITICAL SALVATION… the religion of Leftism.
    There is no political salvation. Every four years, voters go to the polls on the assumption that there really is, but there isn’t. The policies do not change.

    The mainstream media, because they are intensely liberal, are intensely committed to politics. They are committed to the doctrine of salvation by politics. This is the doctrine of salvation by legislation, which always becomes salvation by executive regulation: the Federal Register. In short, this is salvation by law — not ethical, personal salvation — liberals do not believe in this, not believing in heaven or hell — but political law for corporate salvation.

  36. Faye says:

    The beautiful thing about Trump is he has managed to give the Globalists/Marxists/Democrats/”Elites”/Big Tech/Fake Media/Career Bureaucrats/Soros/Gates/ et al – diarrhea.
    It’s splattered their foul lies and deeds around the world. Millions of people who hate their guts and don’t like to be told how to live and now, die! (courtesy of COVID-19 and likely its shots) will rise up especially in America. Trump is loved because he loves the people – end of story. He has proven that he is capable of great things. Kidding we wouldn’t want someone of his proven ability here in Australia.
    The word is out that big things are about to happen in the next few months.

  37. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Another Romney won’t work, just like hopeless ScoMo doesn’t work here.

    ScoMo has a lot of good aspects. He did a fine job as Immigration Minister. He has a Christian ethos, which is no bad thing since it stands diametrically in opposition to wokeness, pretty much.

    But sadly he likes to be liked. Trump gave no flying frigs about that. Which is something right-wing politicians must embrace. Also they must regard all journalists as the enemy and adopt scorched-earth against them. Which Trump also realised, and did.

  38. Cyncic of A says:

    Maybe. But what’s the alternative?
    If Trump is successful later, as he was then, then there is the incentive for others to take up the cause.

  39. Timothy Neilson says:

    He did a fine job as Immigration Minister.

    He did ok, but basically he was a competent middle manager carrying out the policy which Abbott held fast on in the face of ABC/Fairfax/luvvie shrieking.
    His own record as leader in the face of ABC/Fairfax/luvvie shrieking is less impressive.
    Don’t get me wrong, by modern political standards ScoMo is ok.

  40. egg_ says:

    A rogue outsider like Trump needed someone like Steve Bannon – but they had a falling out early on.

  41. Luke73 says:

    Perhaps if you yourself had the courage to talk in plain terms rather than mixed metaphors, we’d make quicker progress?

    Glad I wasn’t the only one having trouble with figuring out what the author of this article was trying to say, I mean I get the “don’t rely on one single saviour” part, but it was a lot of words to say just that.

    It is critical for the survival of democracy, if fraud is proven – which I think it will be, that the rightful winner ascends the Presidency and that those were in the Coup against him get the maximum punishment available.

    Let’s be honest, there is literally nothing that could convince Trump supporters that the 2020 U.S election was free and fair at this point, EVEN if Trump himself declared that he lost fair and square (not that that would ever happen of course), MAGA would say he was being threatened by BLM/Antifa/Soros/the “Deep State” or some other made up crap.

    Dozens of Judges and courts, Republican election officials (including State secretaries and Governors), the Barr DoJ, GOP senate leader Mitch McConnell etc. have all declared it a fraud free fair election, and there is always an excuse from MAGA world of why they shouldn’t be listened to.

  42. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Personally….I think America is gone. What happened last November was a coup.

  43. Faye says:

    And by the way, Trump WON THE ELECTION!! If us mugs can’t decide who leads us, then we are living in a communist state. Xi or Trump? you choose.

  44. Dot says:

    Let’s be honest, there is literally nothing that could convince Trump supporters that the 2020 U.S election was free and fair at this point

    Because they are right and you are wrong.

  45. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Let’s be honest, there is literally nothing that would have convinced Hillary supporters that the 2016 U.S election was free and fair even now in 2021 and EVEN if Hillary and the Democrats had declared that they had lost fair and square (not that that ever happened of course…or would still happen), Hillary and the Democrats would say that were being threatened by Wussia/Wussia/Wussia or some other made up crap.

    FIFY

  46. Faye says:

    Just read Luke73, I agree Muddy’s writing is difficult to fathom.

    Let’s be honest, there is literally nothing that could convince Trump supporters that the 2020 U.S election was free and fair at this point, EVEN if Trump himself declared that he lost fair and square (not that that would ever happen of course), MAGA would say he was being threatened by BLM/Antifa/Soros/the “Deep State” or some other made up crap.

    Dozens of Judges and courts, Republican election officials (including State secretaries and Governors), the Barr DoJ, GOP senate leader Mitch McConnell etc. have all declared it a fraud free fair election, and there is always an excuse from MAGA world of why they shouldn’t be listened to.

    You do know enough for me to say you are politely hiding your left tendencies.
    Your MAGA friend

  47. Primer says:

    ‘Let’s be honest, there is literally nothing that could convince Trump supporters that the 2020 U.S election was free and fair at this point.’

    Some tears before bedtime coming for the ‘honest election’ left.
    Talk that there were 200,000 more votes counted in PA than registered voters. Naughty boys. AZ has similar free and fair problems.

    All these audits can do is discredit the Dems, I don’t see any legal way back for Don.

  48. FlyingPigs says:

    Cassie of Sydney says:
    June 8, 2021 at 12:05 pm
    Personally….I think America is gone. What happened last November was a coup.

    Personally agree…. going to take a long time to bring it back.

  49. egg_ says:

    It is critical for the survival of democracy, if fraud is proven – which I think it will be, that the rightful winner ascends the Presidency and that those were in the Coup against him get the maximum punishment available.

    Dominion is a tool of the GOP.
    Ousting RINOs has been step number one – for good reason.

  50. Buccaneer says:

    Emulating totalitarian behaviour of leftists doesn’t strike me as a solid way to protect either conservatism or liberal democracy. I note that leftists rarely eat their own, look at the train wreck of Rudd Gillard Rudd, or the Whitlam years, both resulted in electoral wilderness and should have been examples of what not to do, yet leftists still eulogise them. They also defend those legacies of those shysters by overwhelming ridicule of the other side. Perhaps spending more time building on the positives of those who dared to stand up to the left elite orthodoxy and less time lamenting their shortcomings might be more profitable.

  51. egg_ says:

    the Barr DoJ, GOP senate leader Mitch McConnell etc. have all declared it a fraud free fair election

    Try the veal.

  52. Lee says:

    But sadly he [Scott Morrison] likes to be liked.

    Doesn’t help him much.
    There is still a visceral hatred for him from many on the left, and he is blamed for everything that goes wrong, including the latest so-called Covid outbreak in Melbourne.
    Plus, he is increasingly seen as weak and/or incompetent by many on the conservative or right side of politics.

  53. Lee says:

    Dozens of Judges and courts, Republican election officials (including State secretaries and Governors), the Barr DoJ, GOP senate leader Mitch McConnell etc. have all declared it a fraud free fair election …

    They would.
    LOL
    Wake up to yourself.

  54. egg_ says:

    There is still a visceral hatred for him from many on the left, and he is blamed for everything that goes wrong, including the latest so-called Covid outbreak in Melbourne.
    Plus, he is increasingly seen as weak and/or incompetent by many on the conservative or right side of politics.

    P1ssweak Trumble Lite.
    Look what the treacherous [email protected] did to Abbott.
    Quick Globalist about face on the beer bug early on with his p1ssweak National Cabinet to hide behind.

    Zero comparison to Trump.

  55. jupes says:

    I think Trump must run, win and then investigate the bureaucrats who formed a coup against him in his first term culminating in the stolen election.

    Yeah, he should get John H. Durham onto it toot sweet.

  56. Dinky says:

    I note that leftists rarely eat their own

    Until they stray from the orthodoxy. Naomi Wolfe being the latest example.

  57. Arky says:

    Good post. Timely post. A post which canvasses much of my own thoughts.
    But I disagree with the conclusion.
    Yes, there are way too many people sitting back waiting for a saviour.
    There is no one coming to save you.
    But also, a movement needs a leader.
    Trump was the only one who saw what had to be done. That made him leader.
    Lead, follow or get out of the way.
    What must be done? We’re in for the fight of our lives. Everything. Everything must be done. They must be fought in the media. They must be fought with words and deeds. By building things and by walking away from other things. In every day conversations and with major life decisions. They must be fought with what of the law is left to us and with non- violent civil disobedience when the time comes for that. They must be fought with cool, calm rational thought and with loud, obnoxious shouty rage. One does not preclude the other. They must be held to their own standards and then humiliated with mockery when they can’t.
    Remember always: It’s a two way street. Sure they want to force you to do things you don’t want to do.
    The downside for them is: They want to force you to do things you don’t want to do.
    Ultimately, they can’t make you do anything.

  58. m0nty says:

    It is critical for the survival of democracy, if fraud is proven – which I think it will be, that the rightful winner ascends the Presidency and that those were in the Coup against him get the maximum punishment available.

    I’ve said it before John Comnenus, but it’s hard to go past ranking you as the dumbest Cat of them all.

  59. m0nty says:

    In any case, Trump was not a conservative – nor is a conservative what we need or want. Culturally speaking, the world as it is now must be razed, not conserved.

    Good to see you are agreeing with me on this, Lad. You are not a conservative at all, but a recidivist reactionary. I have been saying this for years.

  60. Richard says:

    By the way I also don’t think Trump should run in 2024. Not because he wasn’t the best President since Reagan – he was in my opinion. But because Leftists have found a way to neutralise him effectively – i.e. cutting him off from Twitter.
    I believe only one man can save America at this point – Tucker Carlson. If Tucker ran in 2024, he might win. He’s certainly the only public figure who deserves to be the President of the USA in my opinion – Steve Sailer Vice President.

  61. Paul says:

    Conservatism doesn’t rely on messiah cult like figures.
    we believe in someone who knows what he is talking about, who has our interests at heart.
    You’re talking about the communist left who need figures like Dear Leader Xi, Marx. Dear Leader Lenin, Dear Leader Stalin, or Mao, or Adolf. Dear Leader Pol Pot, Dear Leader Kim, Che, Castro Chavez Maduro.
    There are you messiah cult figures who poison the minds of the masses.
    Knowing what’s right about the economics, culture, morals, values are not cult figures.

  62. Chris says:

    There is perhaps one way to save the world.

    (Who is John Galt??)

  63. Buccaneer says:

    Strong observation Dinky, I’d add that Trump was in the tent until he ran as a republican, that’s how he was in the same circles as Epstein. I don’t need to point out what happened there…

  64. Rt41Rebel says:

    “In any case, Trump was not a conservative”

    Trump was a Dem for most of his life, but he is a conservative compared to what the Dem party became in the last two decades. Here’s the thing… Trump would have eagerly worked with the Dems on all things policy, but the Dems made him public enemy #1 from the moment he declared his candidacy, and the gloves came off, and are still off.

  65. Arky says:

    we believe in someone who knows what he is talking about, who has our interests at heart.

    ..
    Like Romney?

  66. Roger says:

    A definition of conservatism would have been helpful to clarify the reasoning in this piece, Muddy.

    Trump is/was not a conservative. Indeed, he does not easily fit any political category. Some conservatives, myself included, welcomed him because he disrupted the status quo ante. But conservatives don’t seek messiahs. That is populism, be it found on the left or the right (and a lot of Trump’s voters were socially conservative, patriotic working class people).

    Conservatives want to see the polity work for the common good of all citizens. It’s because neither the American nor the Australian polity was doing that that Trump was welcomed. He lit a fire under the liberal establishment, so to speak. They are now attempting to resume normal service with Biden, but he, and those behind him, are hollow men and there is a sense abroad that the Western liberal establishment is fast fading. The question is, will it end with a bang or a whimper?

    In the meantime, conservatives will attempt to conserve, both individually and in concert with others, what has been forgotten by our fellow citizens.

  67. Albatross says:

    m0nty says:
    June 8, 2021 at 12:58 pm

    Shut your donut-hole Fatboy. The adults are talking.

  68. Chris says:

    Shut your donut-hole Fatboy. The adults are talking.

    U-huh.

  69. John A says:

    Arky says: June 8, 2021, at 12:47 pm

    Good post. Timely post. A post which canvasses much of my own thoughts.
    But I disagree with the conclusion.

    Yes, with this post I agree.

    Richard says: June 8, 2021, at 1:06 pm

    By the way, I also don’t think Trump should run in 2024. Not because he wasn’t the best President since Reagan – he was in my opinion. But because Leftists have found a way to neutralise him effectively – i.e. cutting him off from Twitter.
    I believe only one man can save America at this point – Tucker Carlson. If Tucker ran in 2024, he might win. He’s certainly the only public figure who deserves to be the President of the USA in my opinion – Steve Sailer Vice President.

    With this post, I vehemently disagree.

    Do not take a powerfully effective spokesman from where he is effective and put him in a strait-jacket position from which he would not be able to speak as he does now.

    For the same reason, I wrote a few days ago about the equivalent idea of electing Donald Trump as the Speaker of the House in Congress. His effectiveness would be totally stymied by the procedural bog which is the legislative process. Within the US system, he is more effective in the role of President, to act as a lightning rod for popular support against the incumbent elites.

    If he takes his Twitter feed to another platform, the followers can follow him there, and Twitter will lose (already has lost) both credibility and dollars. It was a delicious irony that Twitter made the decision to cut him off and have suffered the consequences of their own irrational hatred.

  70. Rabbi Putin says:

    Agree with the general thrust of the OP: Trump did his best, but there is no messiah coming, and no way to avoid collapse. As this article discusses, when the faith in institutions isn’t there, it’s all over.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/institutional-collapse/

  71. FlyingPigs says:

    North Carolina Lt. Governor Mark Robinson Defines The Challenge
    June 7, 2021 | Sundance

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/07/north-carolina-lt-governor-mark-robinson-defines-the-challenge/

  72. Terry says:

    Deep in the midst of WW4, why would you not want your best player on the field?

    Trump vowed to drain the swamp. He never claimed it would be easy, instant, or that the job would even be finished by the time he left office.

    Trump had the vision to peer into the murky depths of that swamp and see all of those foul creatures of evil intent.

    But that is not what makes him unique; plenty of people can see through those murky waters (many here at the Cat). What makes Trump unique is his ability (and courage) to climb into those toxic waters, descend to the very bottom and pull the plug before being overcome by the filth that lives there.

    He achieved that, and as the waters slowly recede, the swamp creatures become increasingly exposed to the people that previously could not see into the murky depths.

    As the air replaces the sludge, the swamp creatures grow ever more desperate to conceal themselves from an increasingly aware populace, further exposing themselves in the process.

    I still think he is the best player and should still be there to oversee the complete drainage, but with 2 years still to run and then another 4 years in office, that could be a stretch on the health and mental agility (if anyone could do it successfully, he could).

    A lot will depend on 2022, and whether the States have successfully reformed their voting procedures and protected them from electoral fraud.

    But should time conspire to thwart his next term, (one he is rightfully owed, but might never realise) then he can be satisfied that he has set in motion a generation of Trump-inspired Swamp Warriors that will be hunting pond scum in all its forms, not just at the Federal level, but perhaps more importantly, at the State and Local levels as well.

  73. Faye says:

    Thank you Paul (at 1:14pm) and thank you Roger (at 1:29pm). Exactly what I think and you write it much better.

  74. Howard Hill says:

    Chris says:
    June 8, 2021 at 1:16 pm

    There is perhaps one way to save the world.

    (Who is John Galt??)

    I became John Galt 30 years ago, it’s the only way, retract your consent, do not contribute to those that would do you harm.
    But it takes guts, more than words and a huge sacrifice.
    Most will never do it until their hand is forced and trust me it will be at a time not of their choosing!

    Anyway, carry on talking about it for another 30 years.

  75. chrism says:

    I think our guest author needs to take their hand off it – as we would say at school

    from a great distance – DJT unlike any other male conservative leader in the world was elected convincingly after every bit of dirt and mud had been thrown
    >> he can’t be impugned ethically, morally or legally as it has all been thrown, including a color revolution Jan 6th & he is still standing, potent, coherent and knows where mqany many bodies are buried

    that didn’t stop them after : they then made stuff up : Russia, Russia, Russia …
    there remains also a cabal where the seat warmers both sides of the aisle work to oust disrupters such as DJT

    I hope that he does run and the election is much more fair and he is vindicated and the US will have a period of sustained expansion, peace and we will benefit enormously from that

    the dementocracy that currently exists in the US is very reminiscent of Kevin 07’s cunning plan making – barbecuing apprentices and burning down houses … all delivered with unintelligible verbiage – is ‘working families’ so different from ‘build back better’ ?

    I agree with Howard & Chris : he is no Manchurian candidate & will reshape the world
    hopefully the eponymously Randian Rand Paul will follow

  76. Faye says:

    Trump had the vision to peer into the murky depths of that swamp and see all of those foul creatures of evil intent.

    Terry, thank you for your words. May I point out that businessman Trump was “part of the swamp” when he fraternized and socialized with that echelon of the wealthy so-called society. He learned all about them and their “ways” enabling him to know how they think. And it wasn’t pretty. As President, he set about draining the swamp but even he didn’t know how despicable the lying Marxists are or how wide and deep the swamp is. Now everybody knows. His return to the Presidency (he won the last election) will save America (and the world) and hopefully the swamp sharks can meet their poetic justice. What is the punishment for traitors these days?

  77. Luke73 says:

    You do know enough for me to say you are politely hiding your left tendencies.
    Your MAGA friend

    I’ve said on numerous threads I lean left in my personal politics, but this election integrity issue in the United States transcends matters of left or right. It is quite apparent that large elements of the Trump dominated American right now only believe in Democracy if their side wins …which means they no longer believe in Democracy.

    If my some chance they really, truly do believe that Democrats somehow stole the election in the greatest political conspiracy of all time and they are now living under an illegal regime…then they should shit or get off the fucking pot for Christs sake!

    All this whining is so tiresome…if Trump had succeeded in overturning the election result and reinstalling himself then I guarantee the “left” (such as it is) wouldn’t be whinging online, holding ridiculous partisan “audits” and attending dumb Qanon conferences…they would be out on the street in the millions and fighting every day and every way.

    Let’s be honest, there is literally nothing that would have convinced Hillary supporters that the 2016 U.S election was free and fair even now in 2021 and EVEN if Hillary and the Democrats had declared that they had lost fair and square (not that that ever happened of course…or would still happen), Hillary and the Democrats would say that were being threatened by Wussia/Wussia/Wussia or some other made up crap.

    HRC formally conceded to Trump on 09/11/2016.

    Russian interference on Trumps behalf in the 2016 election is a fact, as established by the GOP led Senate Intelligence Committee report released last year (I get that you wouldn’t have heard about this on whatever news sites you frequent).

    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf

  78. John Comnenus says:

    Monty thinks it’s stupid that in a Democracy that winner of an election should gain office, and the elected representatives should control the bureaucrats. Wow, who knew Monty was a fascist who thinks elections are irrelevant because the unelected bureaucrats are our real rulers.

  79. Albatross says:

    who knew Monty was a fascist

    Me. I did.

  80. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “All this whining is so tiresome”

    Yes you are Puke73

  81. min says:

    As others have predicted Trump strategy is to be out there taking the flack until someone appears to have the balls to do something . DeSantis at the moment judging by what he has done in Florida . Better the left are kept worrying about Trump , probably something like this in The Art of War as Trump appears to have used the advice before.

  82. Albatross says:

    DeSantis at the moment judging by what he has done in Florida

    The utter delusion in thinking at this point that the Republicans are sending help…

  83. Fat Tony says:

    m0nty says:

    monty – you’ve had a raging boner ever since your Fascist mates stole the US election last year.

    Are you looking forward to walking behind rows of kneeling people and shooting them in the back of the head?

    It’s your dream , isn’t it you festering scumbag. I had time for you up til the end of last year when you showed your true nature.

  84. Gilas says:

    It seems most responders totally missed the OP’s point, which I totally agree with.

    The fact that conservatives exhalt a meaningless, trivial event as a victory, eg: amusing cartoons or one or two leftards “seeing the light” among an ocean of committed, vitriolic evil [email protected] who don’t, and continue to successfully attack you.

    Trump could not have done it on his own. He was undermined at every step, and all that his conservative supporters did was clap and shout at his rallies.
    What they needed to do was to organize and deploy the tactics that BLM, antifa and other Marxist groups did, ie. violence and retribution.
    It worked for the left, and in spades.

    The 6th January event proved it beyond doubt. What should have been a reckoning against a coup, was a spectacular failure, and now a wedge to further entrench the conspirators’ power.

    Conservatives simply whinge and dream, they are the only virgins at the Bacchanalian orgy. Feeling superior and smug, while losing every skirmish and the war.
    And fully deserved, too.

  85. Gilas says:

    Luke73 says:
    June 8, 2021 at 2:43 pm
    if Trump had succeeded in overturning the election result and reinstalling himself then I guarantee the “left” (such as it is) wouldn’t be whinging online, holding ridiculous partisan “audits” and attending dumb Qanon conferences…

    Yeah, right, “Russia, Russia”, “Not my President!” et al were just fake news, right?
    You must have been the cleverest political pundit in a coma since 2016.

    FOAD, moron!

  86. John Comnenus says:

    Luke73,

    In a nutshell, can you please explain exactly why help the Russians gave Trump in 2016 and where it resulted in votes for Trump?

    Just asking, because the special counsel never turned up anything.

  87. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Gilas says:
    June 8, 2021 at 3:13 pm”

    I don’t disagree.

  88. FlyingPigs says:

    Luke73 says:
    June 8, 2021 at 2:43 pm

    that’s yuan hell of a screed you pasted there….

    how much yuan do you get paid per word…

    and where do you get it?

  89. Terry Andrews says:

    Worst article i’ve read in the cat and you have to be retarded not to see that Trump was robbed.

  90. Howard Hill says:

    What they needed to do was to organize and deploy the tactics that BLM, antifa and other Marxist groups did, ie. violence and retribution.

    That would end in destruction, death and suffering, no matter how swift you think you can take back control.

    No. Withdraw your consent, do everything in your power to shut down the whole economy ( The parasites have practically done this for you now ). Don’t go to restaurants, movies, sports events, trade at the duopolies. Only barter if possible, or trade in cash.
    Go back to an old fashion way of life, spend time with friends and family, share goods and services where possible. Don’t vote, don’t pay your fines. Get involved in local council and weed out the trash – you get the idea?
    There are a million ways to starve the parasites.
    This would be swift without great loss of life and destruction.

    But like I said, it takes guts and determination which most lack. In fact, most are too selfish to act. The loss they would incur is more important to them than the well being of their community and the future of their children.
    Instead they’ll whine and cry and continue to feed the beast eating their young so long as their bubble can be kept inflated.

    In the end it will end in violence for their selfish lack of action and courage and then the loss will be more than they can bare, their hand will be forced not at time of their choosing and the destruction will be biblical!

  91. Gilas says:

    Howard Hill says:
    June 8, 2021 at 4:18 pm

    That would end in destruction, death and suffering, no matter how swift you think you can take back control.

    No. Withdraw your consent…
    .
    .
    In the end it will end in violence for their selfish lack of action and courage..

    Quite, and earlier is better.
    The leftards know of no other way to express, impose, or cede power.
    Anything else is wishful thinking… and here we are.

  92. egg_ says:

    Trump could not have done it on his own. He was undermined at every step, and all that his conservative supporters did was clap and shout at his rallies.
    What they needed to do was to organize and deploy the tactics that BLM, antifa and other Marxist groups did, ie. violence and retribution.
    It worked for the left, and in spades.

    Not with the partisan MSM.

    Departure from the White House
    Bannon’s employment in the White House ended on August 18, 2017, less than a week after the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally which degenerated into violence and acrimony. Whereas members of both political parties condemned the hatred and violence of white nationalists, neo-Nazis and alt-right activists, The New York Times noted that Trump “was the only national political figure to spread blame for the ‘hatred, bigotry and violence’ that resulted in the death of one person to ‘many sides'”.[156] The decision to blame “many sides” was reported to have come from Bannon.[157] The NAACP released a statement saying that while they “acknowledge and appreciate President Trump’s disavowment of the hatred which has resulted in a loss of life today”, they called on Trump “to take the tangible step to remove Steve Bannon – a well-known white supremacist leader – from his team of advisers”. The statement further described Bannon as a “symbol of white nationalism” who “energized that sentiment” through his current position within the White House.[158][159]

  93. Howard Hill says:

    The leftards know of no other way to express, impose, or cede power.

    They have no power without your consent or your input.
    The only true things of worth in this world are those two actions, without them they are nothing.
    I’m not opposed to violence if that’s what it takes, but the cost is too high. I would rather try to achieve things in a more civilised manner first.
    Whining on web blogs, crying to friends, writing letters to /dev/null is not trying!

  94. miltonf says:

    Some great analysis in some of the comments here. Some bellyachers like Zycon used to criticize Trump for this and that. For starters Trump had the courage to take on very powerful, ruthless and evil people. Secondly, he achieved a hell of a lot not least being making low-middle income people better off. Thirdly, their desperation to oust him shows how effective he was and will continue to be I hope.

  95. Boxcar says:

    I love a word salad. They always look great but have no nutrition, most likely written by an academic with wide experience of reading newspapers, and other, equally intellectual publications.
    There is a chasm between leadership and management, which our author deliberately neglects to justify his narrative.
    The Achilles heel of Democracy is the rise and rise of Managers.
    Trump’s success can be seen in the absence of respect paid to Biden by foreign leaders. Biden is no-one, and he knows it, and they know it, and he is toothless, because they are not in fear of him. Blinken is a walking joke. Pompeo is not.
    Who treated Trump like they are treating Biden and his lackeys?
    .
    The Managers are living in absolute terror of a Trump comeback. Because if there is a next time, there will be a purge. He will dismantle Washington, cast it to the four winds.
    .
    And to puke73 Sydney Powell correctly blamed Trump and the GOP for the Stolen Election. They all knew it was coming. They saw the mail in, etc., changes being implemented, but incumbents in both parties were so mired in their corruption, they sat on their hands.
    The Supreme Court didn’t sell the Republicans out, they effectively told them to bring a case that they could judge constitutionally and absolutely. And they will.
    The Supreme Court may be politicised, but threatening them with stacking, is like a red rag to a bull.
    The Court has as much power as the Administrative and Legislative branches, they are not in fear of the coup either, and are not necessarily managers.
    Listen closely and you can hear the wheels spinning!!!

  96. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Not with the partisan MSM.”

    Quite so..and this is the problem in the west…it is the MSM which is truly dangerous……various far-left groups like BLM and Antifa are given a free hand by the MSM and progressive journalists. Andy Ngo talks about this in his recent book Unmasked. Everyday the MSM run cover for groups like Anfita and BLM….they quaintly describe Antifa as “anti-fascist”….LOL. What happened in Washington DC on January 6 has been happening in Portland every night for over twelve months…yet the MSM is silent..no one knows about that. Curious isn’t it?

    The MSM is the enemy of the people.

  97. PB says:

    “Dozens of Judges and courts, Republican election officials (including State secretaries and Governors), the Barr DoJ, GOP senate leader Mitch McConnell etc. have all declared it a fraud free fair election …”

    Appeals to authority are increasingly pointless.

  98. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “And to puke73 Sydney Powell correctly blamed Trump and the GOP for the Stolen Election. They all knew it was coming. They saw the mail in, etc., changes being implemented, but incumbents in both parties were so mired in their corruption, they sat on their hands.”

    Correct….the GOP establishment was warned….and they did nothing…just like the GOP establishment was warned back in 2018 about big tech censorship…and they did nothing, even when they had control of both houses.

  99. Gilas says:

    Howard Hill says:
    June 8, 2021 at 4:41 pm

    The leftards know of no other way to express, impose, or cede power.

    They have no power without your consent or your input.

    That’s cute and romantic, but a short history lesson will inform you.

    “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”
    Mao, 1927.
    Someone who killed millions and died peacefully in his bed.

    Amen… whether we like it or not.

    As the democratic process in the West has been compromised for decades, results are here for all to see.
    There really is no substitute for action, if one wants results.
    Alternatively, one can enjoy the loser’s warm inner glow I referred to above.

  100. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    What they needed to do was to organize and deploy the tactics that BLM, antifa and other Marxist groups did, ie. violence and retribution.

    Doesn’t work like that Gilas. The Right has a strong Christian ethos, even those voters who aren’t of that persuasion. They adhere to law and order.

    It’s very like the Civil War, where Christians fought like tigers…once it was legal to do so.

    The Left has been very careful not to provide casus belli for that. Of course if it ever comes to violence the Left will be literally obliterated.

  101. Boambee John says:

    I’ve said it before John Comnenus, but it’s hard to go past ranking you as the dumbest Cat of them all.

    Not while you are here munty, not while you are here.

  102. Terry says:

    Faye says:
    June 8, 2021 at 2:43 pm
    ‘Terry, thank you for your words.’

    – welcome

    May I point out that businessman Trump was “part of the swamp”
    – of course. I would counter with: Trump was in the swamp (a necessity if you intend to descend and pull that plug), not of it.

    Someone of the swamp does not behave as Trump did (and does).

    Creatures of the swamp aggressively attack anyone looking at the plug, let alone someone trying to remove it. Indeed, they will aggressively attack anyone that acknowledges the plug’s existence, or even that there is a swamp at all.

  103. Howard Hill says:

    I don’t think we’re quite at that stage yet, Gilas.
    I agree with all you’ve said but we must try a less destructive path first is all I’m saying. That hasn’t happened yet!

  104. Boambee John says:

    John Comnenus

    Wow, who knew Monty was a fascist who thinks elections are irrelevant because the unelected bureaucrats are our real rulers.

    Anyone who has been following munty’s crap since around 2015 would be quite aware of his clear fascist tendencies.

  105. Tintarella di Luna says:

    All these audits can do is discredit the Dems, I don’t see any legal way back for Don.

    No, there’s not — I heard an interview with Jenna Ellis who said exactly that because under the Constitution the process has been followed to the letter and can’t be undone.

  106. Terry says:

    John Comnenus says:
    June 8, 2021 at 2:49 pm
    ‘Wow, who knew Monty was a fascist…’

    Okay, so in the interest of a shorter list, it might be easier to ask if anyone thinks Montifa isn’t an enthusiastic Fascist.

    Other than for trolling purposes, even Montifa could not place itself on that list…

    It knows it is a dutiful Fascist. It just imagines it will be holding the gun and pulling its trigger, rather than receiving its contents to the back of the head.

    Poor, deluded fool…will be amongst the first to go. No need for donut disposal units in the new Socialist Utopia.

  107. Gilas says:

    Bruce of Newcastle says:
    June 8, 2021 at 4:56 pm

    What they needed to do was to organize and deploy the tactics that BLM, antifa and other Marxist groups did, ie. violence and retribution.

    Doesn’t work like that Gilas. The Right has a strong Christian ethos, even those voters who aren’t of that persuasion. They adhere to law and order.

    Lovely sentiments and all… and here we are… with no end in sight.

    Howard Hill says:
    June 8, 2021 at 4:59 pm

    I agree with all you’ve said but we must try a less destructive path first is all I’m saying. That hasn’t happened yet!

    Yes, and Trump was the experiment showing what to expect when change contrary to the left’s agenda is even mentioned.

    We could always wait for the current insanity to self-immolate, but it won’t happen peacefully.
    The main institutions only lean one-way, in a self-replicating, sustaining process, and waiting for tooth-fairy, mauve unicorn magic to happen is exactly what conservatives have been doing.

    Who was it that said something about stupidity and same actions leading to different results??

  108. luke73 says:

    Doesn’t work like that Gilas. The Right has a strong Christian ethos, even those voters who aren’t of that persuasion. They adhere to law and order.

    But if your country has been stolen in a communist coup (as MAGA says they believe), are not those laws forfeit and illegitimate even to law abiding conservatives? If democracy in our country was stolen by a communist or fascist coup would it not be our duty as freedom loving citizens to fight that tyranny by any means necessary, I would like to think I would resist however I could in that situation.

    This is why I think most Trumpers don’t REALLY believe the election was stolen, (beyond thinking votes for Democrats are fundamentally illegitimate by their very nature), they are just not resisting hard enough (as in armed resistance).. of course there a few unstable nuts like the MyPillow guy who believe it.. but the GOP power players don’t really believe it, it’s all an obvious tactic to justify increasing voter suppression of minority and young voters and most troubling of all… new laws to ensure the next election Republicans loss can be overturned by partisan state legislatures.

    The Left has been very careful not to provide casus belli for that. Of course if it ever comes to violence the Left will be literally obliterated.

    I get the thought of mounds of dead lefties gives you a bit of a chubby but the truth of the matter is the U.S military as currently constituted is on the side of Democracy, don’t doubt for a minute Trump pushed at that door in the Nov 3 to Jan 6 period and was told to f**k off in no uncertain terms.

    I’m guessing MAGA knows in their darkest hours which side the military would take, hence another reason resistance to the “communist” coup has been so lightweight.

  109. Albatross says:

    Cleanup in aisle three. Puke73 has soiled himself.

  110. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Bruce of Newcastle says:
    June 8, 2021 at 9:30 am

    Bruce, great comment!

    Muddy, I don’t think that conservatives pine for a messiah-figure. We pine for a candidate who will present a platform that is in alignment with conservative values and offer the type of solutions that will strengthen the country, increase individual freedom and reward hard work and effort. Which is to say that we want someone who will work for a purpose: our purpose. We’ve told them what we want, so it’s up to them to do it and not the other way around.

    The problem is that the right, like every other major institution and/or organisation, have been infiltrated by the left. So at every election we are betrayed. Consequently, we have little to hope for in the choices on offer and even less possibility that anything we remotely want will be achieved, which is why the growing disillusionment on the right. It is why when a politician overtly stands up for conservative values we cheer.

    18C is an example. Abbott couldn’t get Cabinet support for this change. No matter that the Liberal Party is supposed to be all about personal freedom. And IIRC under Morrison, we were informed that a change to 18C would not bring about one more job. Yet on any reading of right-of-centre values, this would be understood as a core, if not the core, value. WTF!

    In the short time he was President, Trump did bring about change – real change – change that made people’s lives better in America and the US stronger against its enemies.

    I think he will run again because he knows what was done to him, how it was done and how it can be fixed. And he does not lack courage. Because of Trump, the left in the USA are fighting for their futures, where previously they were able to hide in plain sight. But not any more. More electors voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016 and even more will come out to support him next time.

  111. luke73 says:

    Cleanup in aisle three. Puke73 has soiled himself.

    Neatly refuted, kudos.

  112. rickw says:

    Muddy – The problem is that the ordinary people are constantly betrayed by the people they elected to represent them.

    Spot on.

  113. Lee says:

    Cleanup in aisle three. Puke73 has soiled himself.

    Well, he is a self-confessed lefty, Biden and Democrat lover, and suffering from terminal TDS.
    ’nuff said!

  114. Howard Hill says:

    Gilas it’s not going to happen, people don’t have the balls for it any more.
    I know heaps of blokes that all talk tough with 20 odd guns in the safe and enough ammo to start world war 3 but soon as you mention doing something, they all run off to their hobby farms and hide.

    These same big talkers haven’t even got the guts to take their masks off, or post a flyer on a telephone pole and you think they’ll rise up and start bashing lefties?

    It ain’t happening dude until the shit well and truly hits the fan and even then they’ll find somewhere to hide.

  115. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “This is why I think most Trumpers don’t REALLY believe the election was stolen,”

    You see Puke73 knows…he knows what Trumpers REALLY think…not only does he read minds…. but being the good progressive he will tell people what to think.

  116. luke73 says:

    More electors voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016 and even more will come out to support him next time.

    Trump was/is certainly excellent at motivating new Republican voters, 74.1 million votes is very impressive, the trouble is he is even better at motivating Democratic voters…a veritable turn out machine even for a boring middle of the road candidate like Biden.

  117. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “a veritable turn out machine even for a boring middle of the road candidate like Biden.”

    LOL…time to change your nappy Puke73.

  118. luke73 says:

    You see Puke73 knows…he knows what Trumpers REALLY think…not only does he read minds…. but being the good progressive he will tell people what to think.

    Please point out where my logic is wrong? Why aren’t freedom loving American patriots doing more to resist the evil communists who have stolen their country through an illegal coup?

    Right wing Seppos have been banging on since forever about how much they love their country and hate communism, making movies (Red Dawn, Rambo etc.), waving flags and on and on and then lefties steal their country and they fold like a cheap lawn chair, it’s actually quite funny.

  119. Boambee John says:

    but the GOP power players don’t really believe it

    Luke

    The “GOP power players” hate Trump with a passion that makes the DemonRats look calm and relaxed about him.

  120. Albatross says:

    Facts and logic guys! Puke73’s done it again. A tip of a fact, a fresh warm dump in his trousers, the acrid stench of logic hanging in the air! Everyone, everywhere: utterly BTFO. Ol’ Puker’s done it again, and in a Fedora-flash, he’s gone!

    Now begone. You’re really quite boring.

  121. Gilas says:

    Howard Hill says:
    June 8, 2021 at 6:25 pm

    people don’t have the balls for it any more.

    They never did.

    It ain’t happening dude until the shit well and truly hits the fan and even then they’ll find somewhere to hide.

    That paraphrases what Muddy wrote.
    Conservatives are a lost cause and didn’t deserve Trump.

  122. Albatross says:

    luke73 says:
    June 8, 2021 at 6:21 pm
    Cleanup in aisle three. Puke73 has soiled himself.

    Neatly refuted, kudos.

    He’s NEVER BEEN DEBOONKED GUISE! He has the Salon articles to back it up!

  123. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Right wing Seppos “

    Interesting choice of word…”Seppos”…..perhaps Puke73 is related to Bob the Racist?

  124. luke73 says:

    The “GOP power players” hate Trump with a passion that makes the DemonRats look calm and relaxed about him.

    On that we are in agreement…McConnell and co. do hate his guts for upsetting their neat little grift.

  125. Albatross says:

    Cassie of Sydney says:
    June 8, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    Cassie, look out for this guy. He’s a relentless machine that consumes facts and excretes massive dumps of logic. Some say he’s never been debunked.

  126. luke73 says:

    Truth hurts Alby?

  127. Albatross says:

    luke73 says:
    June 8, 2021 at 6:44 pm
    Truth hurts Alby?

    You wouldn’t know truth if its nuts were rhythmically slapping your buttocks.

  128. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Cassie, look out for this guy. He’s a relentless machine that consumes facts and excretes massive dumps of logic. Some say he’s never been debunked.”

    I think he’s just outed himself. Puke73 is an appropriate name.

  129. Helen says:

    Trump n August 2021 followed by DeSa tis for eight. This gives time for deplorables to rise to high levels in the bureaucracy. Trump appointed more than 300 federal conservative judges. Another 12 years would see that number triple – it is all about the long game.

  130. luke73 says:

    You wouldn’t know truth if its nuts were rhythmically slapping your buttocks.

    lol, fair play…that’s actually quite good.

  131. Nob says:

    Captain Katzenjammer says:
    June 8, 2021 at 9:42 am
    The problem is that conservatism is ordinary, it’s normal

    And most of us are flat-out working in businesses and real jobs

  132. FelixKruell says:

    Do you really need Trump himself, when you’ve got “From the Desk of Donald J. Trump” to guide you?

    The problem for republicans is that they have turned a crass populist into their messiah. One who has never had any real interest in the things that make republicans, Republican. Hard to find your way back from that.

  133. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “FelixKruell says:”

    And look who turns up. I prefer your alias Puke73….much more appropriate.

  134. FelixKruell says:

    Cassie:

    It’s so sad when women idolise Trump, despite knowing they aren’t young, blonde, thin and obsequious enough to attract his attention in return.

  135. Faye says:

    I’m guessing MAGA knows in their darkest hours which side the military would take, hence another reason resistance to the “communist” coup has been so lightweight. Luke73

    My gist is that most of the top brass probably hate Trump because he isn’t a warmonger and who notably made peace around the world. His “wars” were short, sharp, surprise attacks to cleanly eradicate any lowlife enemy of the world. However, the soldiers and vets love him and I would gamble they would never obey an order to arrest Trump and his 100 million followers.

  136. Forester says:

    It’s all over Muddy, international socialism is coming for us. Trump was just a speed hump. Jeff Bezos just turned off his servers.

    I’m on the LDP members list, if I’m lucky I’ll not be tortured and shot straight away.

    The US Fed is printing another $7 trillion and implementing the Davos Reset as we speak.

    Have a look at Andy Ngo’s tweets to see what lays in wait. Our yoof have no idea what lays in store. Our schools are not teaching the Night of the Long Knives.

    Spit on Tony Abbott all you like, he had the advantage of office.

  137. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “FelixKruell says:
    June 8, 2021 at 7:56 pm
    Cassie:

    It’s so sad when women idolise Trump, despite knowing they aren’t young, blonde, thin and obsequious enough to attract his attention in return.”

    LOL….you’re not normal….but you know that already Puke. Isn’t it funny how Puke disappears…and then Felixa Kruella, arrives. I’ll settle for Puke….much, much more appropriate.

  138. Boambee John says:

    luke73 says:
    June 8, 2021 at 6:42 pm
    The “GOP power players” hate Trump with a passion that makes the DemonRats look calm and relaxed about him.

    On that we are in agreement…McConnell and co. do hate his guts for upsetting their neat little grift.

    So why did you make a big deal about the GOP power players not accepting Trump’s position on the election, when they probably helped, just to get rid of their nemesis? That would explain the number of GOP power players who seemed to be involved in the scam.

  139. Albatross says:

    FelixKruell says:
    June 8, 2021 at 7:56 pm
    Cassie:

    It’s so sad when women idolise Trump

    Fuck, you’re a sad little ponce. Funny how your rampant homoerotic imagination took you straight to: “I wish I was a blond lady and Trump would give me a good pounding while I called him Daddy”. Get help.

  140. Lee says:

    The problem for republicans is that they have turned a crass populist into their messiah …

    As opposed to the Democrat arsehole you prefer as president.
    So predictable, you turning up on cue to bag Trump.

  141. Lee says:

    It’s so sad when people idolise Biden, despite knowing that they aren’t girls young enough to attract his attention in return.

  142. Albatross says:

    Lee says:
    June 8, 2021 at 9:18 pm
    It’s so sad when people idolise Biden, despite knowing that they aren’t girls young enough to attract his attention in return.

    10/10

  143. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “It’s so sad when people idolise Biden, despite knowing that they aren’t girls young enough to attract his attention in return.”

    Perfectly said Lee.

  144. mh says:

    You wouldn’t know truth if its nuts were rhythmically slapping your buttocks.

    LMFAO

  145. luke73 says:

    Interesting choice of word…”Seppos”…..perhaps Puke73 is related to Bob the Racist?

    Nah, seppos is affectionate, rhyming slang from the WW2 era I think.. “Septic Tanks” = Yanks.

    I’ll settle for Puke….much, much more appropriate.

    I like you too in a weird way Cassie, you laughed at my joke once.

  146. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “I like you too in a weird way Cassie, you laughed at my joke once.”

    You’re a particularly dumb creep Puke and I’ve never laughed at anything you’ve written…for the simple reason that you’re not funny.

  147. The Sheriff says:

    FelixKruell says:
    June 8, 2021 at 7:56 pm
    Cassie:

    It’s so sad when women idolise Trump, despite knowing they aren’t young, blonde, thin and obsequious enough to attract his attention in return.

    Women idolise Trump because he’s a gentleman who loves women. Biden is a geriatric who preys on little girls.

  148. Dot says:

    Like C.L. said – we don’t need another (conservative) hero.

    We need a villain to raze the fields, houses and crops.

    Hopefully with some classical liberal tendencies.

    If I can fault Trump, it was that he did not put a razor gang to work.

    His military and foreign policy was damn near perfect. Offered totally free trade, pulled out of wars we couldn’t define the mission of and out fuckhead from Pyongyang in his place; as well as curbed Chinese aggression.

    Trump’s an old man now.

    If he’s willing to give his last year’s to die in office for people who gate him, good luck to him.

  149. Crossie says:

    If Trump stands and wins again in 2024, the same will happen; only the details will change.

    If any other conservative Republican runs and wins in 2024, the same will happen; only the details will change.

    There, fixed it for you.

  150. bespoke says:

    C.L. says:
    June 8, 2021 at 9:32 am
    Culturally speaking, the world as it is now must be razed, not conserved.

    Plenty of wiggle room so if others do take action you have some plausible deniability.

  151. Albatross says:

    bespoke says:
    June 9, 2021 at 6:48 am
    […]
    Plenty of wiggle room so if others do take action you have some plausible deniability.

    Here we go. Here comes big man State-smasher. You’re so formidable.

  152. bespoke says:

    What are you implying , Albatross?

  153. bespoke says:

    Forgot I engaging nonebot, carry on.

  154. Albatross says:

    bespoke says:
    June 9, 2021 at 8:00 am
    Forgot I engaging nonebot, carry on.

    Every one of these threads there’s some dickhead who bursts in and insists that the problem is that everyone is weak and they would smash the state to pieces if it wasn’t for these weak pricks. I guess you’re that guy? Let’s call you Glowbot.

  155. bespoke says:

    I guess you’re that guy?

    No I’m not fare from it. In fact I was taking a shot at C.L doing just that.

    You read into it what you wanted to nonebot, as always.

  156. Albatross says:

    Who is “none”? Is he your online boyfriend? Name checks out, but I’m just not that into you.

  157. bespoke says:

    Sure!

    😁

  158. Albatross says:

    Anyhow, didn’t realise you were concern-trolling on behalf of the poor civil disobedients who C.L. might ‘incite’, reading between the spelling and grammatical errors. I would have mocked you about that instead; my apologies. Send Struth in here; he’s more entertaining.

  159. bespoke says:

    Low energy nonebot unlike the old days.

    Have you been out the house in the last six months?

  160. Albatross says:

    Pathetic.

  161. bespoke says:

    Pathetic.

    Don’t be to hard on your self nonebot, its just sad you have no life apart from looking out the window (sorry lobby).

  162. gowest says:

    Trump is Abbot with real power and the ability to fire losers… The democrats are following the KRudd playbook – lots of immigrants – send them to red states. Now komala says don’t come — why is she worried???
    Blue states are falling behind economically – think victoria * 5. The red states are thriving… and picking up blue state people with getup and go.

    Rudd Gillard started the flood and Abbot stopped it – its been all libs since then.. Democrats need to read some Australian political history, they are doomed! PS which Trump?

  163. Kneel says:

    “I think Trump must run, win and then investigate the bureaucrats who formed a coup against him in his first term culminating in the stolen election. “

    It has been suggested that Trump should run for the house in 2022 from a relatively safe seat in Florida. If he did and Repubs win the house back in 2022, Trump could be the speaker. Trump has made some appropriate noises about this, meaning he may do it.
    Can you imagine the Democrat head explosions if Trump was speaker of the house?
    It’s be worth doing just to see that!
    And imagine Trump presenting articles of impeachment of Biden to a Republican controlled senate.
    Imagine of Biden becomes the only president to be impeached 3 times.
    Oh, the humanity!

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