Lulu and the dungeon master

THE ‘report’ by Louise Milligan below has deliberately been left online by the ABC. As committed a supporter of Cardinal Pell as I am, his unwillingness to take action against defamers allows untruth to stand beside truth on a ‘you be the judge’ basis. At a time when the ABC’s reputational terrorism is escalating weekly, this leaves everyone else less safe:

His father has told Four Corners how they watched their son change from a cheerful young kid — with no idea why.

“He went from being this lovely boy, who used to come to the football with me, who used to go and help his grandparents and helped around the house, to this boy wanting to go out all the time,” he said.

“His schoolwork, I noticed that it started slipping. His whole attitude changed. His whole being just, he was a different boy.”

 
Keith Windschuttle reminds his readers of what Milligan accidentally forgot to tell hers:

One of Milligan’s principal sources, who claimed Pell’s alleged abuse of Witness J’s choirboy friend turned the latter into a heroin addict, was the father of that friend. Assuring readers the father was a reliable informant, Milligan described him as “an honorary probation officer”. However, this father was well-known in certain circles in Melbourne for other skills. In the 1990s, while the son was attending the posh St Kevin’s College in Toorak and singing in St Patrick’s Cathedral choir, the father, under the pseudonym of “Master Joe”, was a performer in the city at bondage and discipline sex clubs. He was also registered as proprietor of a sex toy shop in Pascoe Vale, and later had a business in regional Victoria with a woman providing bondage and sadomasochistic services. Rather than sex in the priests’ sacristy being the cause of the boy’s descent into heroin addiction, the most obvious candidate for his desire to blot out his world was his discovery of his father’s sordid occupation.

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62 Responses to Lulu and the dungeon master

  1. m0nty says:

    Good luck in your defamation proceedings, Doomlord.

  2. Snoopy says:

    m0nty says:
    June 15, 2021 at 6:15 pm
    Good luck in your defamation proceedings, Doomlord.

    Says our resident LLBush.

  3. Shy Ted says:

    Lulu should be lashed.

  4. Snoopy says:

    All jokes aside, Monty, it is admirable that you so selflessly leap to Master Joe’s defence. Many here would simply pretend that they had never heard of him.

  5. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    his unwillingness to take action against defamers allows untruth to stand beside truth on a ‘you be the judge’ basis

    Very difficult decision, far above my pay grade. Not above Pell’s pay grade though so I defer to him. The MSM would have a field day in such a defamation action, with smears and lies and libels like the ABC loves to do over and over to their class-enemies. So denying them that opportunity and allowing the public to consider that the High Court has vindicated him without qualification, 7-0, that may be the place he prefers to be in. It’s also in keeping with Christ’s approach and the Bible.

  6. Bruce in WA says:

    Says our resident LLBush.

    LLB BA

    Looks Like Bishop … But Ain’t

    PS: What’s defamatory about it, Monty?

  7. Mother Lode says:

    I can’t help but think of the passage from “A Man for All Seasons”

    If we lived in a State where virtue was profitable, common sense would make us good, and greed would make us saintly. And we’d live like animals or angels in the happy land that needs no heroes. But since in fact we see that avarice, anger, envy, pride, sloth, lust and stupidity commonly profit far beyond humility, chastity, fortitude, justice and thought, and have to choose, to be human at all… why then perhaps we must stand fast a little –even at the risk of being heroes.

    Disinclined as I am to preach Christian virtue to the Cardinal, it seems to me that his humility is at the expense of others. Why did he appeal judgement rather than bear imprisonment with saintly forbearance?

    All he need do is publicly tell the ABC that they must scour their content to remove baseless calumnies. Not everyone they might target has his profile and can be made to perish as unnoticed as Icarus in Breughel’s painting.

  8. BrettW says:

    Has been said before but how would you like to spend your final few years , aged 80, bringing an incredibly expensive defamation case against the ABC that has unlimited funds and plenty of time to drag the case out. Even if they lose it is not their money but the taxpayers.

  9. Mango Man says:

    I suppose people have short memories. I find it amusing that Keith Windschuttle decries editorial practices that he (as a Marxist polemicist and media tutor) might well have planted. At UTS, just across the road from the ABC HQ.

  10. Dan4ever says:

    Good luck with your weight reduction Montesquieu.

  11. Mother Lode says:

    A Marxist polemicist, no less. Only a short time ago, says Mongo Man.

    How was he Marxist?

    When a polemicist?

    I admit only to having begun follow Windschuttle from about 2005 and he was looking at the state Aboriginal history. He was definitely not arguing collectivist nonsense but producing very rigorous and cogent arguments based on raw source materials without re-shaping these sources through a preferred sophistic lens (e.g. “when X said ‘y’ he was really saying ‘z’”).

    Mongo, impress us.

  12. C.L. says:

    It isn’t possible to defame unnamed and unknown individuals, Monty.

  13. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Why did he appeal judgement rather than bear imprisonment with saintly forbearance?

    Joseph said to the cupbearer, I’m innocent, get me out of here.
    The cupbearer forgot for two years.
    The rest is history.

  14. C.L. says:

    Bruce, I agree with your argument – ninety percent of the time.
    Ten percent of the time, I worry that the Pell team let the ABC get off scot-free and that this will have terrible consequences for others.

    Ultimately, as long as the Cardinal is safe and sound, I’m pleased.

  15. MACK says:

    Four Corners’ ratings were twice as high last night compared to the previous week. Expect their aggressive campaigning to continue. At your expense.

  16. PB says:

    Is an accurate description ever truly defamatory? Doesn’t seem that Windschuttle has lost any sleep concerning this.

  17. Old Lefty says:

    Even the Spencer Street Soviet (aka The Age) has gone back over its historical reporting on the Pell case on its website to add banners that tell the reader that the High Court quashed all of Pell’s convictions. Not so, of course, the ABC.

    As for the Cardinal’s not suing, remember that

    1. He is 80
    2. The trials and appeals cleaned out most of his and his family’s finances (royalties from the prison journals will go towards the legal expenses)
    3. If he sued, it would either be in Victoria (with the best judiciary the socialist left of the ALP can find) or in the federal court where, like Porter, he might find Mrs McClellan appointed to hear the case.

  18. Old Lefty says:

    Master Joe, as I understand it, left the family home to shack up with his ‘sub’ (and was the subject of an SBS documentary promoting his ‘lifestyle’). Imagine what that would have done to the son’s self-esteem.

  19. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “BrettW says:
    June 15, 2021 at 7:07 pm
    Has been said before but how would you like to spend your final few years , aged 80, bringing an incredibly expensive defamation case against the ABC that has unlimited funds and plenty of time to drag the case out. Even if they lose it is not their money but the taxpayers.”

    Agree BW……I understand why Pell won’t pursue any further legal action…..the poor man has just turned 80 and given what he’s endured over the last five years, I want him to enjoy his life moving forward.

    My gripe is with others on the right who’ve refused to take legal action….Andrew Bolt and Tony Abbott immediately come to mind…..their meekness has just empowered organisations like their ABC, GetUp and others. That’s why I was glad that Peter Dutton, a few months ago, threatened legal action against that vile Greens senator Larissa Walters and she was forced to make a public apology to Dutton.

  20. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “3. If he sued, it would either be in Victoria (with the best judiciary the socialist left of the ALP can find)

    Yep…and I get the impression that Pell never wants to set foot in Victoria again.

  21. C.L. says:

    Younger man’s game, Cassie, yes.
    Excellent point.

    The LNP should look into the possibility of limiting the ABC’s financial ability to legally crush citizens. It is unconscionable that a political organisation can unlawfully slander people and then make it impossible for the accused to defend themselves – because they have a $1 billion budget.

  22. stackja says:

    ABC sends in the clowns.

  23. m0nty says:

    It isn’t possible to defame unnamed and unknown individuals, Monty.

    Mmyes, I suppose Christian Porter found that out recently.

    Still, accusing someone of a heinous crime on someone else’s blog from behind a pseudonym is questionable areas.

  24. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “hanlover says:
    June 15, 2021 at 8:34 pm”

    Do try and be a little more interesting. Oh and I see you’ve dropped a letter in your name….here…I’ll put it back….”handlover”…..it’s a good name….it sums up your comments very well….wank.

  25. Mother Lode says:

    Joseph said to the cupbearer,

    By a fascinating coincidence, I just had a bottle of Saint Joseph – an upper Rhine Syrah. Very distinctive flavour, despite it being such an enormous wine region.

  26. stackja says:

    Pell critic. Why?

  27. stackja says:

    ABC supporter after the other target. I am shocked!

  28. Mother Lode says:

    What is wrong with you hand-off-it (a very dishonest screen name, by the way. We can tell).

    The Cardinal was the victim of law mis-applied for political purposes. Observers on the Cat and elsewhere enumerated repeatedly where the errors in the case were and were vindicated by the High Court

    The Sri Lankans case is quite clear – they were in the wrong. The government has repeatedly upheld this. What Cats are complaining about is that the law is again not being applied, but a shimmering substitute being substituted for political purposes again.

    Ah, but the dusky little urchin principle overrides all other legal concerns, right?

  29. stackja says:

    ABC only survives because of Greens in the Senate.

  30. stackja says:

    As to the illegals.
    Open borders mean dead babies.
    Happened last time.
    Will happen again if ALP policies are adopted.

  31. candy says:

    the most obvious candidate for his desire to blot out his world was his discovery of his father’s sordid occupation.

    Seems a bit of a narrow reason. Something like that would not be such a big secret surely until one day of discovery?

    I would wonder about overall lifestyle / family set up / etc and what happened in the more domestic arena that causes a child to go off the rails.

  32. C.L. says:

    Mmyes, I suppose Christian Porter found that out recently.

    That doesn’t even make any sense, Monty.
    You surely meant to write that the ABC found that out recently.

    Except there is no comparison.

    The ABC accused a senior Coalition cabinet minister in a very specific age-range, narrowing the possibles to about three men.

    Witness J, the deceased man and the deceased man’s father have never been named and nobody – except a few journos in Melbourne – knows who they are.

    Still, accusing someone of a heinous crime on someone else’s blog from behind a pseudonym is questionable…

    That is exactly what you did in relation to George Pell for months.

    And I haven’t accused anyone of committing a crime.

  33. Mango Man says:

    Mother Lode, I assume you are a youngster or you’d know that Windschuttle was a quite prominent Marxist and had a number of books published in the 1970s and 1980s that were essentially polemical and related to media. He was an academic whose subject was media and his critiques would sit well with those he now criticises. It is no exaggeration to say that his line of argument was the precursor to that typically promoted by those he now attacks. He might well be the author of those views. (Look it up, this is no secret.)

  34. Lee says:

    You might be surprised what secrets sex workers have kept from even their teenage children, Candy.

  35. m0nty says:

    Witness J, the deceased man and the deceased man’s father have never been named and nobody – except a few journos in Melbourne – knows who they are.

    Are you not familiar with the history of defamation law in Australia? That is more than enough for you to lose a case. Not to mention that some random Cats seem to know who he is, so your theory is not sound anyway.

    As for Pell, I never accused him of anything, I merely recited his then-current legal status.

    Fairly weak stuff from you Lad, lift your game.

  36. m0nty says:

    That doesn’t even make any sense, Monty.
    You surely meant to write that the ABC found that out recently.

    Also LOL at you pretending that Porter won, just pathetic really.

  37. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Also LOL at you pretending that Porter won, just pathetic really.”

    Yes you are pathetic……especially choosing a sock named “handlover”….very revealing.

  38. Boambee John says:

    As for Pell, I never accused him of anything, I merely recited his then-current legal status.

    I am unclear munty, in which legislation can the term “rock spider” be found?

  39. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “As for Pell, I never accused him of anything,”

    You’re also a liar….here on this blog, you called him a “rock spider”.

  40. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “I am unclear munty, in which legislation can the term “rock spider” be found?”

    Well said BJ. handlover/Monty is a disgrace……but interesting that now he’s revealed what he likes to do in his spare time.

  41. candy says:

    You might be surprised what secrets sex workers have kept from even their teenage children, Candy.

    I don’t think so Lee. Kids know stuff. They know they are being lied to even if they can’t articulate it. They know something is different from their friends’ families, something is hidden.

  42. C.L. says:

    You’re not making any sense tonight, Monty.
    You’re comparing the Attorney-General whose name the Twitterati were LOL hash-tagging for weeks with an unknown Melbourne sadomasochist.

    You’re clearly still fuming that Pell won.

    As for Pell, I never accused him of anything…

    Ahahahahaha. Bless.

  43. Mother Lode says:

    Mongo, you complain about our short term memory and then hark back half a century like a blanket -folding Viet vet trying to expurgate his guilty conscience of a defining moment of cowardice.

    Quite a few ex-progressives have redeemed themselves by seeing the error of their ways. And like the prodigal son are recognised as all the more courageous for having renounced their earlier pride.

    The accusation of ‘short memory’ has a sting inasmuch as it shows someone was reviled in a comparable timeframe to that in which they are being lionised. If Windschuttle has written about the importance of assigning collective guilt while also trying to pardon the Cardinal in particular.

    Can you demonstrate this?

    Or doesn’t it seem more the case that in the long run his thinking evolved, and did so by learning to swim against the old tide?

  44. m0nty says:

    You’re also a liar….here on this blog, you called him a “rock spider”.

    He had been convicted of rock spider behaviour. Basically he had been proven as one, by a jury of his peers. It was not defamatory to repeat that.

    You’re comparing the Attorney-General whose name the Twitterati were LOL hash-tagging for weeks with an unknown Melbourne sadomasochist.

    Allegedly he was profiled on SBS as detailed in this very thread, so how unknown is he really?

  45. Boambee John says:

    munty

    He had been convicted of rock spider behaviour.

    I repeat, in which legislation is “rock spider” a legal status?

    You are even more of a fool than I had expected.

  46. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “m0nty says:
    June 15, 2021 at 9:40 pm”

    You’re a liar.

  47. m0nty says:

    You’re not particularly bright, are you Cassie?

  48. Boambee John says:

    m0nty says:
    June 15, 2021 at 9:49 pm
    You’re not particularly bright, are you Cassie?

    She is brighter than you are, you fat fool!

  49. Dot says:

    Jay perjured himself (proven in the committal, the facts of his evidence at the committal turns on itself) and lied on at least three witness affidavits before any proceedings against Pell.

    It would be a shame if anyone else coached him.

  50. C.L. says:

    He had been convicted of rock spider behaviour.

    Sorry to be the one to tell you this, Monty, but even when somebody is convicted of child molestation it remains defamatory to say he’s a “rock-spider.”

    That’s why journalists have to write “convicted child molester” or convicted murderer or convicted burglar.

    The defamatory implication otherwise is that a man on bail, say, awaiting an appeal (as Pell was) is a currently perpetrating offender.

    So you actually broke the law calling him that.

  51. C.L. says:

    Monty, Cassie called you a liar.
    Can you sue?

    GO!

  52. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “m0nty says:
    June 15, 2021 at 9:49 pm
    You’re not particularly bright, are you Cassie?”

    I’m a lot, lot brighter than you slug….and I have more integrity in one little finger than you have in your whole fat body.

  53. m0nty says:

    Sorry to be the one to tell you this, Monty, but even when somebody is convicted of child molestation it remains defamatory to say he’s a “rock-spider.”

    No. Just no.

    The defamatory implication otherwise is that a man on bail, say, awaiting an appeal (as Pell was) is a currently perpetrating offender.

    That is obviously not what I was saying. Don’t be ridiculous.

    Meanwhile, you just openly accused a public figure who has been profiled on TV of planning and executing a criminal conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

  54. Steve trickler says:

    Serious puppetry skills here folks. Geez!

    Puppet Show (Macedonia)

  55. Steve trickler says:

    Oops, wrong thread.

  56. roman says:

    So, no questions or suspicions about an actual pervert of a father but, attending choir for an hour a week definitely broke the kid, they say. I have some issues with this.

  57. FlyingPigs says:

    m0nty says:
    June 15, 2021 at 9:18 pm

    your not a m0nty but a ‘montezumas revenge’ – dose of the shits.

    pray tell mr diarrhea, how do comments made on an American based blog, such as this one, become subject to Australian defamation law??

    give it your best pile of shit…

  58. David Brewer says:

    Louise Milligan’s written report is nothing compared to her whole Four Corners show, called Guilty, which is still online. It’s 44 minutes of non-stop slander, with no qualification in the video whatsoever, and only a minimal note underneath which reads:

    Editor’s note: On Tuesday 7 April 2020, the High Court in a unanimous decision upheld Cardinal Pell’s appeal and quashed his convictions on all five charges.

    In her show, Milligan accuses Pell straight out of sexual molestation, and in the most vicious way possible. She first plays a tape of him outlining his Melbourne Response strategy to child sexual abuse in the Catholic church and then says:

    This was the public face of George Pell. But only a few months after that press conference, we now know that the archbishop was doing exactly what his scheme was set up to address: sexually abusing children.

    Pell is also described in the first few minutes by one of her interviewees as “just a dirty rotten sneaky conniving bastard”.

    How in hell does the ABC get away with this?

  59. David Brewer says:

    Also, notice Milligan’s “devastated family” trope, which she is reusing now to try to smear ScoMo through his association with some bloke whose family is apparently appalled that he has joined a QAnon “cult”. So bloody what? And why in blazes are my taxes being spent to make a public spectacle of the anguish of dysfuntional families as a means of assassinating the characters of prominent conservatives?

    Milligan has GOT TO GO.

  60. Boambee John says:

    m0nty says:
    June 15, 2021 at 10:07 pm
    Sorry to be the one to tell you this, Monty, but even when somebody is convicted of child molestation it remains defamatory to say he’s a “rock-spider.”

    No. Just no.

    The considered legal opinion of Judge munty, LLB, QC, Supreme Court of Australia, who remains unable to provide a reference to the legislation using “rock spider” as a legal status!

    FMD!

  61. candy says:

    The ABC peoples love Louise Milligan and the “work” she is doing, to bring down conservatives and Catholics and other hated figures who don’t hold the “correct” progressive views.

    They literally believe conservatives are the “enemy”.

  62. Dunnybrush says:

    One wonders if the the location in “regional Victoria” of the bondage business is pure coincidence. People involved in recerche practices don’t like to be judged…….

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