Hunt to under-60s: ‘Oops-a-daisy – AstraZeneca’s not for you’

You can just feel the science. No liability risk, though. They saw to that. It’s nice being the state.

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93 Responses to Hunt to under-60s: ‘Oops-a-daisy – AstraZeneca’s not for you’

  1. duncanm says:

    As a ‘on the fit side of typical’ 51yo – I was already susipcious of the ‘over 50 is ok’ pronouncements on AZ.

    I’m still waiting till they sort their shit out – or maybe until the TGA actually approves a vaccine.

    Feel the science.. and the egg-spurts..

  2. Angus Black says:

    The question is, surely, if it’s unsafe for the under 60s, what makes it safe for the over 60s? Or do we simply care less about them?

  3. Steve trickler says:

    Pfizer COVID-19 vaccinations: New AMA WA president Mark Duncan-Smith says people in 50s should get them.

    Another who should be strung from his gonads on a lamp post. Caught a glimpse of the print article and apparently, it is only blood clots that is a risk. I’ll walk it back if it comes to light that he has mentioned all the other medical conditions and side effects from this nasty shit. MHRA are not fibbing.

    No link to the West Stokes shit rag.

    One thing covid has done is help expose how corrupt the medical establishment is. Rotten to the core.

  4. Blair says:

    As an over- 70 who’s had the AstraZeneca, I guess I’ll find out in a fortnight that I shouldn’t have had it.

  5. Ubique says:

    Ok, so 1.9 cases of clotting per 100k amongst the 50-59 age group is unsafe; but 1.8 cases per 100k for oldies is safe.

    According to the article “60 people in Australia have developed the clotting disorder …of those, two have died and 22 are in hospital, four of them in ICU.”

    The cure seems to be worse than the disease, given that there aren’t 22 COVID sufferers in hospital or any in ICU that we know of.

  6. Steve trickler says:

    It could be a year away, Blair. A fortnight means bugger all. My old man and uncle are in your camp.

  7. yarpos says:

    With the vaccine killing more people than Covid this year , I guess they needed to adjust something, it could get embarrassing. Its comforting that we are so well protected by these health professionals.

  8. Slim Cognito says:

    The question is, surely, if it’s unsafe for the under 60s, what makes it safe for the over 60s?

    Absolutely. What magical changes occur to a persons physiology on their 60th birthday that sudden make this vaccine OK when it wasn’t the previous day?

    I expect this is only the start of constant revisions to the “advice” once further issues become more prevalent.

  9. Rob MW says:

    Going once for a blood clot from AZ, or twice for heart problems from Pfizer, remembering that the vaccine spike protein does not stay at the injection site as assumed that it would (not tested for) by the vax producers.

    No great choices with either, personally, I think a heart attack/disease may be less problematic at the end of the day when they finally mandate compulsory vaccination which is what Albanese appears to be going after.

  10. Jock says:

    I am over 60 but my wife is 54. We had the Astra Zenecca just yesterday. Today it appears she would have been better with Pfizer. Thanks for that. BTW the side effects hit us both.

  11. John Brumble says:

    The difference? Well clearly it’s easier to pretend the over 60s already had clots or died from something else. But that’s really unfair. They have to adjust for all of the people who did die from something other than COVID.

  12. Annie says:

    What happened to the requirement to inform people that the ‘vaccines’ are still experimental, part of the stage 3 use of them as guineapigs, and allowing them to give ‘informed’ consent?

  13. Steve trickler says:

    Clotting, clotting, clotting, blood clots, clotting, only clotting to worry about…nothing else to see here. MSM focuses on one side effect and omits everything else….people are too lazy to get of their TV and newspaper reading backsides to go look for themselves.

    FFS. Look at what else can happen.

    COVID-19 AstraZeneca Vaccine Analysis Print

    More side effects to consider

    Clot clot clot clot clot.

  14. Infidel Tiger King says:

    It’s an amazing virus and an amazing vaccine.

    It’s punctual, age specific and even knows not to annoy you when eating and drinking.

    It’s inherently decent, polite and courteous the way it behaves.

  15. Primer says:

    ‘With the vaccine killing more people than Covid this year’.
    Yep, ‘if it saves even one life it’s worth not having a vaccine’. Two can play that game.
    What pandemic?

  16. The BigBlueCat says:

    Well, there’s science and there’s science. I generally like science, but a mere mortal like me concludes that science is ever self-correcting, which means that for many things, whatever the science says will be reviewed and changed over time. Not for everything, bu clearly many things, and usually those things that directly impact our health and well-being. BTW – I’m still waiting for my flying car …

    I’ve had the AstraZeneca jab (I’m over 60) – only lethargy, headaches and soreness at the injection site. But hey, no COVID, so it must be working … /sarc

    But I’m more concerned about the second jab and what it will do. I feel like the canary in the coalmine, especially when we see more deaths this year in Australia from AZ side-effects than have died from COVID-19.

    As I said before, I like science, but my trust in science has taken a beating, and now I’m not so sure that science is nothing more than an educated opinion, albeit with an analysis to remove bias – it can still be wrong.

  17. Forester says:

    I hope you’re all happy I chose to be the guinea pig for the fully tested and approved AZ jab.

  18. Rex Anger says:

    It’s an amazing virus and an amazing vaccine.

    It’s punctual, age specific and even knows not to annoy you when eating and drinking.

    It’s inherently decent, polite and courteous the way it behaves.

    It likes staying in swanky hotels, visiting beaches, shopping, movies, hanging out with its mates in public places and going to the footy.

    It is also terribly socially conscious- It is a card-carrying member of the Union Movement in Victoria and also Buy Larger Mansions. It also loves taking public transport, and has never menaced cyclists or walkers.

    It still needs to be talked out of walking the streets during the night (remember the 6pm curfew last lockdown, Perth Cats?), but on the whole it is a very Virtuous Virus Comrade Contagion.

    If only those other nekulturny lurgis were so Socially Creditable?*

    * 6PM News: Comrade Coronavirus was found dazed and bleeding in a Melbourne alleyway last night, having been attacked by parties unknown. An escaped rhinovirus is suspected, but no charge has yet been made…

  19. Real Deal says:

    So my missus has had her first AZ jab. What now? Cancel the second and have two Pfizers? Anyone get the feeling we are being had?

  20. Barry says:

    Just making it up as they go along.

    Why would you expect anything else from the public service.

  21. Chris M says:

    The mRNA Pfizer vaccine has more adverse reactions than Astra Zeneca does.

    How long till Australians notice that? Not so many Pfizer shots have been administered to date proportionally. Give it a couple of months I guess.

  22. Karabar says:

    Chris M says:
    June 17, 2021 at 3:49 pm
    The mRNA Pfizer vaccine has more adverse reactions than Astra Zeneca does.
    That might be becasuse our TGA, in all its supposed “due diligence” didn’t even look at Pfizer’s raw data. THEY DIDN’T EVEN REQUEST IT!
    https://doctors4covidethics.org/pfizer-vaccine-rubber-stamped-data-sight-unseen/

  23. mh says:

    Does anyone believe these vaccines are not medical experiments?
    Every day the ‘vaccine’ rules change, so it’s hard to argue this is not experimental in nature.

    Wiki

    The ten points of the Nuremberg Code[edit]
    The ten points of the code were given in the section of the judges’ verdict entitled “Permissible Medical Experiments”:[6]
    1 The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
    2 The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
    3 The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
    4 The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
    5 No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
    6 The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
    7 Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
    8 The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
    9 During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
    10 During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject
    .

  24. Sean says:

    So my missus has had her first AZ jab. What now? Cancel the second and have two Pfizers? Anyone get the feeling we are being had?

    most of the serious clots have occurred in people under 60. If you were ok after the first dose then its very unlikely to have an adverse reaction on the second.

    Other countries are mixing AZ + Pfizer but there’s not a lot of data yet. Early results indicate it works better than 2 x AZ possibly because it’s 2 challenges to the immune system that are slightly different and gets a better response.

  25. Bruce says:

    Karabar:

    Maybe Fizzer pay better.

  26. Michael Warren says:

    Or do we simply care less about them?

    Bingo. They’ve licked their finger and stuck it in the breeze and made the risk assessment on behalf of the over 60s.

  27. Primer says:

    And the Sydney limo driver-spreader was fully vaccinated, as I presume were the international flight and cabin crew he transported.

  28. Kneel says:

    “I’m still waiting for my flying car …”

    True, but you can get your Dick Tracey wrist watch that does video phone calls, so all is not lost. Of course, no nuclear powered supersonic aircraft either…

  29. kraka says:

    Chris M
    “The mRNA Pfizer vaccine has more adverse reactions than Astra Zeneca does.

    How long till Australians notice that? Not so many Pfizer shots have been administered to date proportionally. Give it a couple of months I guess.”

    CM-been saying the same thing-can find the total number of adverse reactions for AZ/Pfizer but cannot find the total number of doses administered for each to do the ocmparison.

  30. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Fauci and his PLA mates did a great job with their first Biowar Virus Wuhan One the results must be very comforting for them ,a good job well done .
    They are probably looking forward to the release of Wuhan Two when its ready ,must ebe very fullfiling killing all those people qithout getting your hands dirty ,unlike Hitlers socialist killers who had to do it close up .

  31. sam1250 says:

    Angus Black
    +1000

  32. Botswana O'Hooligan says:

    Duncanm, the nice letter from Morrison, Hunt, and the commonwealth health bloke urging me as an 80 year old to get the vaccine stated that it was approved by the TGA. I lit the wood heater with it so it was a useful letter after all.

  33. mh says:

    …unlike Hitlers socialist killers who had to do it close up .

    Himmler thought the Einsatzgruppen methods were a bit messy, so he went to gas.

  34. Real Deal says:

    most of the serious clots have occurred in people under 60. If you were ok after the first dose then its very unlikely to have an adverse reaction on the second.

    Other countries are mixing AZ + Pfizer but there’s not a lot of data yet. Early results indicate it works better than 2 x AZ possibly because it’s 2 challenges to the immune system that are slightly different and gets a better response.

    Cheers, Sean. Thanks for that.

  35. calli says:

    Snort + duncanm. Saved for redeployment.

  36. Eddystone says:

    I’m guessing that because most if not all covid deaths were in the over 60s, then it’s considered more acceptable for that group to risk the (supposedly rare) side effects than it is for the youngsters who are pretty resistant to the disease.

  37. mh says:

    Other countries are mixing AZ + Pfizer but there’s not a lot of data yet. Early results indicate it works better than 2 x AZ possibly because it’s 2 challenges to the immune system that are slightly different and gets a better response.

    Medical experiment confirmed.

    So is the Nuremberg Code being breached here?
    I suspect yes.

  38. mh says:

    Paywallian

    WA pauses Pfizer rollout for 30 to 39-year-olds

  39. Infidel Tiger says:

    Breaking: Federal Government has suspended thalidomide use for pregnant mothers under 60 years of age.

  40. Leo G says:

    The mRNA Pfizer vaccine has more adverse reactions than Astra Zeneca does.
    How long till Australians notice that? Not so many Pfizer shots have been administered to date proportionally. Give it a couple of months I guess.

    Australian medical authorities are well aware of the abnormally high incidence of heart inflammation in young men who receivice the mRNA vax. But working age people and their employers and insurers know that the Pfizer vax is about 8 times as effective as the AstraZeneca product in terms of primary efficacy and are refusing vaccination of the latter.
    Naturally, the pharmaceutical industry support this unethical regime- universal compulsory annual vaccination to achieve the gold standard of perpetual herd immunity.

  41. OldOzzie says:

    Blair says:
    June 17, 2021 at 2:46 pm
    As an over- 70 who’s had the AstraZeneca, I guess I’ll find out in a fortnight that I shouldn’t have had it.

    Cases have most often occurred about two weeks after vaccination, although the time to onset (or diagnosis) has ranged from two days to 52 days (Table 3). In some cases with a longer time to diagnosis, patients had experienced symptoms at an earlier stage but complicating factors, including symptoms from comorbidities, may have delayed a clear diagnosis. Approximately one in four TTS cases has required Intensive Care Unit (ICU) treatment, although all but four patients have since been released from ICU.

    Table 3: Time to onset, treatment and outcomes for TTS cases*

  42. Arky says:

    The spikes end up in the ovaries.
    So if you have ovaries and intend using them at some future date, maybe think a bit before rocking up to get vaccinated.

  43. Squirrel says:

    Before long, and out of an “abundance of caution”, AZ will be recommended only for people who are over the age of dead.

    In the meantime, let’s not lose sight of the fact that the federal government is doing a brilliant job of mightily pissing off its core voting demographic with its vaccine apartheid policy and theft of savings through negative real interest rates – Bravo Scomo!

  44. Siltstone says:

    Clarification question asked of those who might know: (1) does it not matter what type of anti-China virus substance is injected into you, the manufacturers have been given complete legal immunity against future damages claims? True/False? (2) is this different to the old annual flu shot liability arrangements?”

  45. Dan4eva says:

    I am proud to be a medical experiment and I look forward to more opportunities to be part of this great leap forward. (sarcoff)

  46. shane says:

    ”Professor Fred Lenin says:
    June 17, 2021 at 4:28 pm
    Fauci and his PLA mates did a great job with their first Biowar Virus Wuhan One the results must be very comforting for them ,a good job well done .
    They are probably looking forward to the release of Wuhan Two when its ready ,must ebe very fullfiling killing all those people qithout getting your hands dirty ,unlike Hitlers socialist killers who had to do it close up .”

    Prof Fred, I haven’t kept up with yr recent writings, but are you trying to allude in yr usual very obtuse fashion to the past history of all previous corona virus vaccines over the past 20 yrs, at least as documented by medical science using test animal where all such test subjects successfully injected with previous versions of the various experimental corona vaccines died on re exposure to the corona virus in one of its many variant forms?
    If we get a repeat of that finding with this current human experimental test, it should do wonders for the affordability of residential housing & espec the big Banks’ profits….so this might be in reality the dawn of the fall of the capitalist system & all those annoying bourgeois kulaks.
    Hasn’t mOnty & his hero & guiding pole star, AB, both had their first shot quite recently ..or at [least soi disant ].

  47. mh says:

    Just seen Greg Hunt on Credlin.

    Lots of talk, nothing said.

  48. Ian of Brisbane says:

    Just waiting for the next announcement of who shouldn’t have had the vaccine.

  49. covid ate my homework says:

    Just as night follows day follows night mind control never sleeps. So many comments about a virus which no one has proven exists detected by a test which is entirely unsuitable and a cure which is an experimental curse. 30+ scientists of considerable note (not any more) have pleaded in an open letter to the EU to cease jabbing people with poison predicting that all those vaccinated will be DEAD within 2 years. But PhD (and these were earned when it actually meant something) now means “Post His Dementia”.

    WAKE UP!!! They’re trying to murder us all!!!

    I was never afraid of dying but I never imagined that it would come this way.

    P.S. STOP CALLING THIS ABOMINATION A VACCINE.

  50. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Stop calling this abomination a vaccine.

    I never have. “Useless unnecessary toxic chemical cocktail” suffices (even though it is a bit wordy).

  51. Adam says:

    I never have. “Useless unnecessary toxic chemical cocktail” suffices (even though it is a bit wordy).

    I like, ‘experimental abortion fetus sludge slurpy”.

  52. PB says:

    “It could be a year away, Blair”

    The injected compound seeds a genetic process in the body that has no off switch and has never been tested over any long period. The five -seven months or so that it has been in use represents the total study period thus far in human subjects.

  53. Rufus T Firefly says:

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

    CDC are admitting to 5, 208 deaths from vaccines in the US. (Last para).
    Harvard Medical School have said that as few as 10% of vax deaths are reported to the CDC, as it is not compulsory.
    Deaths from vax’s in Europe are well over 10, 000.

    I saw today, Dr Peter McCullough, (from Texas I think, worth a look), deliberately challenge Fauci, or anyone else, on the vaccine issue. He’s not a fan.
    He is a heart specialist, but has had Covid himself and is quite forthright about using Ivermectin.
    Australia, 910 deaths, out of a population of 25 million. (0.00364%.) Oh the humanity.
    In 2017, 1,250 people died of Covid 17, …., sorry, the flu.

    I won’t be bothering the Chemist, or butcher, or whoever gives the shot.

  54. shane says:

    I have heard the gay & lesbian glee club out in Daylesford a decades or so, but I am still sure that they have a higher IQ & make more sense than this gay glee club
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjxN8UMhjGY&t=40s

  55. Rohan says:

    The Astra Zenica zax is not fit for anyone of any age. It nearly crippled Eric Clapton’s hands. He’s now genuinely fearful that they’ll make the booster shot mandatory, to the point he carries his medical exemption with him at all times.

    https://youtu.be/4OHmMKrVbNk

  56. Matt says:

    During this time, VAERS received 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.

    CDC reports deaths following vaccination, not from vaccination. Also note requirement to report all deaths following vaccination.

  57. Phil says:

    I just don’t get why anyone who has any shred of logical thought left within them, and can see through the openly transparent bias of the MSM, could conceivably elect to have this substance injected into their inner selves. I have sympathy for those who are obviously vulnerable to the threat of COVID 19, and as is every individuals’ right, we should all proceed as we see fit. However, I would take a hell of a lot of convincing to accept that the following are not incontrovertible facts: these substances are; not vaccines in the traditional sense of the term; do not provide sterilising immunity from contracting the SARS COV 2 virus; do not stop you from infecting others with the SARS COV 2 virus (don’t take my word for any of the foregoing claims, just read the relevant govt produced literature or studies); may reduce symptoms and potentially reduce your risk of hospitalisation or death if you develop the COVID 19 disease; are novel (neither mRNA or adenovirus technologies have ever been used before on this massive scale); experimental and still undergoing Phase 3 trials (yes, you are, willingly or not, participating in a trial) (4 to 6 months worth of clinical trials prior to general use, compared to 4 to 6 years of trials for all previous medicines and vaccines); approved for use only through emergency approval authorisation (Australian TGA nuances aside); are causing more adverse effects and deaths than any previous vaccines combined in modern history (US VAERS, UK Yellow Card, Europe EMA, amongst others). I could go on, and on, but I would be wasting pixels as I do on a daily basis with my breath.

    The average worldwide IFR for COVID 19 is 0.15% (per John Ioannidis). Obviously this value will vary dependent upon your age and health status. It’s substantially higher if you are elderly, with any accompanying comorbidities, and much lower if you are under 70 and within reasonable health (between 0.03 to 0.05% according to Ioannidis). Given these statistics are provided by one of the worlds most foremost epidemiologists, and the relatively benign characteristics of the disease, you have to ask the question why every government and bureaucratic shill around the western world is complicit in the act of coercion, in direct contradiction to the requirements of the Nuremberg Code, and all requisite treaties and subsequent international/national laws, insofar as they are openly endorsing, enticing, and intimidating the general populace to submit to what is effectively, an experimental medication?

    My bullshit meter blew it’s scale in regards to SARS COV 2/COVID-19 many, many moons ago. There remains many hypotheses in my mind as to why we are where we are. Suffice to say, unless the average Joe wakes up, we are not going back to where we were.

  58. Lizzi55 says:

    The CDC reports adverse events following vaccination, one of which is death.

  59. C.L. says:

    Phil, thank you for that brilliant comment.

  60. Infidel Tiger says:

    Great stuff Phil.

    Sanest thing ever posted at this blog.

  61. dover_beach says:

    What Phil said.

  62. Maniac says:

    You’re allowing yourself to be injected with what they flat-out ADMITTED was an “experimental” substance to protect you from a “pandemic” that had roughly the same fatality rate as the flu.

    What was it that the Joker said right before he shot Murray?

  63. Figures says:

    According to the government’s own data you’re twice as likely to get a blood clot from this vaccine as you were to be in an iron lung at the supposed height of the polio epidemic in the US.

    And yet people actually believe that the vaccine industry isn’t a gigantic criminal enterprise.

  64. Figures says:

    In answer to your question Phil I give you the pertussis vaccine.

    You see, the government’s own scientists know perfectly well that there is no possibility of herd immunity from this disease because (assuming you accept that the vaccine works exactly as intended) you can only acquire immunity to the toxin created by the pertussis bacteria rather than the bacteria itself.

    Fully vaccinated are just as likely to harbour and spread the bacteria as anybody else.

    So surely the government wouldn’t coerce anybody into using this vaccine given refusal presents no danger to anybody else right?

    Wrong.

    In fact, it was the pertussis vaccine that was the epicentre of the justification for governments’ No Jab No Pay and No Jab No Play policies.

    The moment the words “vaccines” or “contagious disease” are mentioned, 99 per cent of people lose half their IQ points and all of their conscience.

  65. Matt says:

    You’re definitely in the 99% Figures.

  66. Mark M says:

    Fauci looking for the true origins of the virus reminds me of OJ looking for for the real killers.

  67. Eyrie says:

    I’m not worried about the Chicom virus but I’m terrified of Australian governments and what they might do.

  68. Destroyer D69 says:

    I AM A COMMITTED PARTICIPANT IN THE CONTROL GROUP.

  69. Vicki says:

    I expect this is only the start of constant revisions to the “advice” once further issues become more prevalent.

    In the last 24 hours Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly has warned against people who have had AZ, “topping up” with Pfizer at the end of the year. Unsure, he says, whether it is “safe of effective”.

    Breathtaking. Although at least he has had the guts to say it – unlike the rest of the “experts” who have so superciliously slammed “the doubters”.

  70. egg_ says:

    One thing covid has done is help expose how corrupt the medical establishment is.

    The almighty dollar rules uber alles.

    Flattening the Economy to the tune of a Trillion dollars for a bug panic was truly worth it?

    Couf, anyone?

    WHO now belatedly pointing the finger at Chyna, now that they need a scapegoat?

  71. egg_ says:

    I AM A COMMITTED PARTICIPANT IN THE CONTROL GROUP.

    +1

    I reckon I caught the beer bug back in Jan 2020.

  72. egg_ says:

    Another Couf fred and the Mattard is stuck like sh1t to a blanket.

    Orderly!

  73. Figures says:

    You’re definitely in the 99% Figures.

    Nobody has ever said that to me before – friends or enemies.

    Anyway, you think you know stuff about medicine – even though I have demonstrated all of your beliefs to be impossible nonsense – why don’t you have a go at explaining how the pertussis vaccine can be justified to be coerced onto people even though it is a toxoid vaccine and can’t prevent harboring or spreading the bacteria? (Same goes for the diphtheria component).

  74. Figures says:

    WHO now belatedly pointing the finger at Chyna, now that they need a scapegoat?

    That’s exactly right. The whole “Wuhan lab leak” has served its purpose. It got most people on the Right to believe in the virus and the ridiculous response all over again.

    “Limited hangout” I believe Jon Rappoport calls it.

  75. Rex Anger says:

    why don’t you have a go at explaining how the pertussis vaccine can be justified to be coerced onto people even though it is a toxoid vaccine and can’t prevent harboring or spreading the bacteria? (Same goes for the diphtheria component).

    Because you can’t merely Harden Up and think yourself into wellness, Chad Thunderbrain. Especially when you can’t stop coughing…

  76. Figures says:

    Not only is the vaccine you take just so you can fly likely to kill you, the planes you are flying on are now at risk of dropping out of the sky.

    https://twitter.com/Bradley93038424/status/1405652799082287104

    And to think that Leslie Nielsen is no longer around to save us. Still, as he and Matt and Monty and Numbers and the government would say “nothing to see here! Move along! Please disperse!”

  77. Rex Anger says:

    Not only is the vaccine you take just so you can fly likely to kill you, the planes you are flying on are now at risk of dropping out of the sky.

    They didn’t die at the controls, Chad Thunderbrain.

    If you derange any harder, you will permanently lose your state of ‘hardened up’ emotional equilibrium (if you haven’t already), and induce your own fatal clotting bynthe trauma you invite with carry-on like this…

  78. Figures says:

    They didn’t die at the controls, Chad Thunderbrain.

    Ummm, thanks mate. I think the point is that having pilots who are a high risk of dying at any moment isn’t optimal for safety.

  79. Rex Anger says:

    Ummm, thanks mate. I think the point is that having pilots who are a high risk of dying at any moment isn’t optimal for safety

    l humans are at all times, Chad Thunderbrain.

    Which is why their medicals are so strict. It’s all risk mitigation, not outright prevention.

    But, the hyperbole of …the planes you are flying on are now at risk of dropping out of the sky was just too much to resist, wasn’t it?

  80. Matt says:

    We used to have around 300 deaths due to whooping cough each year prior to the introduction of the pertussis vaccine. Thanks to Figures and his powers of persuasion (and nothing to do with the vaccine), we now have virtually zero deaths.

  81. Vicki says:

    I saw today, Dr Peter McCullough, (from Texas I think, worth a look), deliberately challenge Fauci, or anyone else, on the vaccine issue. He’s not a fan.
    He is a heart specialist, but has had Covid himself and is quite forthright about using Ivermectin.

    Thanks Rufus! I watched an interview with Dr. McCullough. Although I struggle with the science of virology, I could understand his reasoning based on the accumulation, now, of OS data on adverse reactions & why they were happening.

    It has always worried me that normal research for a new vaccine may involve 7 or more years of research. That – and the evidence that the original Wuhan virus may have been the result of gain-of-function engineering – has persuaded me to not to accept current vaccines based on such rushed development.

  82. Matt says:

    This idea that the mRNA vaccine is new technology and therefore shouldn’t be used is just wrong. This research has been going on for decades.

  83. Primer says:

    “the planes you are flying on are now at risk of dropping out of the sky”.
    BS. That’s just an embarrassing fundamental ignorance of airline jet ops

  84. Rosie says:

    Covid vaccines aren’t much different to flu vaccines in providing immunity, possibly better than some year’s flu vaccines whose effectiveness has been as low as thirty forty percent.

    Ho hum.

  85. Rosie says:

    MRna is being used for tailored cancer vaccines, with some early success.

    First investigated in the 1990s I don’t see it going away.

  86. Faye says:

    This is why I am not having the “vaccination”:-
    a/ Virus was ordered and funded by political enemies of the people to be created in a Chinese laboratory to devastate their biggest enemy, America, and then the world.
    b/ Vaccines were created by the Big Pharmaceutical companies – they would have to know virus was “manmade”.
    c/ Both a/ and b/ are first and foremost money driven.
    d/ Vaccination does not protect against reinfection.
    e/ Vaccination does not protect against infecting others.
    f/ Deaths and medical complications from high to low are occurring after receiving vaccination.
    g/ Scandalous that two CHEAP, PROVEN, OVER THE COUNTER, ALWAYS AVAILABLE Ivermectin+ and Hydroxychloroquine+ drugs have been STOPPED BY THE SHONKS, NOT RECOMMENDED, RAILED AGAINST because they WORKED!
    (and the powers that be would miss out on the munnee).
    h/ Trials by shonks were made to have bad results because they made sure their testing procedures were shonkky thus even a local doctor thought Hydroxychloroquine was not to be used and Ivermectin still not proven okay.
    So that’s why I am not having the vaccination.
    i/ Plus I don’t trust any of them especially their mRNA entering my body.

  87. Adam says:

    We used to have around 300 deaths due to whooping cough each year prior to the introduction of the pertussis vaccine. Thanks to Figures and his powers of persuasion (and nothing to do with the vaccine), we now have virtually zero deaths.

    This is my apple, this is my orange.

  88. Rayvic says:

    “The mRNA Pfizer vaccine has more adverse reactions than Astra Zeneca does.
    That might be becasuse our TGA, in all its supposed “due diligence” didn’t even look at Pfizer’s raw data. THEY DIDN’T EVEN REQUEST IT!”

    The TGA has acted most un-TGA-like. It appears to have simply accepted the results of tests carried out by Big Pharma in the US — whose vaccine-producing members have been exempted from liability in any case.

    The vaccines are still experimental. Everyone who has had, or is planning to get, the vaccine is a guinea pig.

    What’s more, no results of vaccine testing on animals have been published. There are suggestions that tests were carried out, but the results were too alarming for release — all the animals died.

  89. Figures says:

    We used to have around 300 deaths due to whooping cough each year prior to the introduction of the pertussis vaccine

    Pertussis deaths had fallen by well over 90 per cent before the introduction of the vaccine. Even ignoring the fact that pertussis has just been renamed (ddxed) to things like RSV and croup, there’s no reason to credit the vaccine to the last few per cent.

    Frankly, I’m surprised you didn’t know that Matt. It’s government (and therefore infallible) data.

    Now, this is where you shift goalposts and start saying “ummm, deaths shmeaths! What matters is case numbers” and then you’ll start talking about incidence of pertussis, not realizing that’s a number we have never measured.

    In short, you’re an imbecile. You know nothing about anything and everything you think you know is wrong.

  90. Figures says:

    Rex and Primer you guys are geniuses!

    You should run BA’s ad campaign.

    “Come fly our planes! Our pilots have a massively outsized risk of dropping dead mid-flight but not to worry ‘cos only ignorant people care if the guy flying their plane is conscious.”

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