Covid and the forces of spontaneous disorder

Skill testing question: where is this from and where is he talking about?

This select group of political leaders and medical experts have upended economies, as well as the lives of billions of ordinary people, by implementing extremely coercive and restrictive lockdowns and physical distancing measures for the stated purpose of bringing the pandemic under control and preventing future outbreaks. Specific measures have included curfews; police patrols on the streets; the compulsory closure of businesses deemed nonessential, as well as workplaces, schools, and institutions of higher education; the banning of social gatherings; the cancelation of sporting and cultural events; the suspension of religious services; and restrictions on personal movement and interactions at the local, national, and international levels. In many parts of the world, people have been subjected to mandatory stay-at-home orders, requiring them to spend most of the day confined and isolated in their homes. Lockdown measures have also been used to prohibit people from engaging in public protests and freely expressing their opinions, as failure to comply with limits on social gatherings has led to people being arrested, detained, and fined. It has also not been uncommon to see excessive police force being used to enforce lockdowns and curfews, and to disperse protests against unreasonable restrictions. Some governments have also set up detention centers for international travelers entering into their countries, where they are forced to quarantine at their own expense while they wait for the results of their covid-19 tests.

Sounds like it was written about us, but it wasn’t. It’s not, in fact, about anywhere in particular but about everywhere in the West at the present time. We are all in the same boat at the same time no matter where you go. As for the post, it’s from Mises.org and it refers to “governments around the world since the onset of the covid-19 pandemic”. And what of it?

Hayek and Popper incessantly warned about the form of central planning that we are currently being subjected to, which has been used by numerous dictators and tyrants such as Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot. They specifically argued that it would not only lead societies down “the road to serfdom,” but also cause irreversible, large-scale social and economic damage. In fact, since the lockdowns began, general freedom (e.g., freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, and intellectual freedom), negative freedom (i.e., freedom from coercion), positive freedom (i.e., freedom of self-development), subjective freedom (i.e., freedom to act based on one’s own will and views), objective freedom (i.e., freedom of “being with other”), and economic freedom (e.g., freedom to earn one’s living, to produce, to buy, to sell, etc.) have been all violated to some extent. Furthermore, hundreds of millions of people have lost their jobs or endured income reductions, many small and medium-sized companies have gone bankrupt, unemployment rates have increased across major economies, and most countries have gone into recession….

Hayek warned that the coercive measures employed by social engineers could “destroy those spontaneous forces which have made advance” and progress possible across history, and inevitably result in “a stagnation of thought and a decline of reason.” He wanted people to understand that while “it may not be difficult to destroy the spontaneous formations which are the indispensable bases of a free civilization, it may be beyond our power deliberately to reconstruct such a civilization once these foundations are destroyed.”

Most people have hardly even noticed, and if they have, do not seem to care. But once these freedoms are gone, how do we get them back?

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93 Responses to Covid and the forces of spontaneous disorder

  1. Simple Simon says:

    But once these freedoms are gone, how do we get them back?

    Aye, there’s the rub.

    The answer is, however, the same way that those freedoms were won in the first place.

    The next question is, however, do we have the stomach for what needs to be done to win back those freedoms? Those inflicting this civilisational Vandalism (that capital ‘V’ is there for a reason) are banking on us not having the stomach for what needs to be done.

    Mass non-compliance and civil disobedience can win the day, and in short order. But it needs to be en masse and will require courage to win through the initial repression that the vested interests will mete out to try and intimidate the mass of the people. They know that if the masses organise the elites cannot win, and so they attempt to prevent such organisation and coordination.

  2. PB says:

    Of interest, does anyone know how many of these NSW cases have leaked into the ICU setting so far? It’s been long enough to have seen some by now.

  3. Xenophon says:

    Hysterical allusions etc (Pol Pot was a central planner?) and neurotic assertions about threats to freedom are simply puerile. This persistent undermining of elected government can only be seen as a wedge of anti-democratic propaganda of the kind that launched the influence of a long list of tyrants – from Duvalier to Trump and Erdogan.

  4. Damon says:

    “Of interest, does anyone know how many of these NSW cases have leaked into the ICU setting so far?”
    I have not read anything so far, but I think we can accept if there had been any, the fact would have been splashed all over the ABC.

  5. Howard Hill says:

    Those inflicting this civilisational Vandalism (that capital ‘V’ is there for a reason) are banking on us not having the stomach for what needs to be done.

    On the contrary – Look at the bigger picture, i.e; global warming, destruction of our power grids, economy, introduction of electric cars with no means to charge them, critical race theory, black lives matter, lgbquerty bullshit, legalised murder of the un/born and now the old, diversity is our strength, killer vaccines, and the list goes on.

    I would say they’re trying really hard to get us to fight, this would give them reason to get rid of you, which is what they want!

  6. bemused says:

    Xenophon says:
    June 26, 2021 at 5:33 pm

    – from Duvalier to Trump and Erdogan.

    Trump is a tyrant? If so, the world needs more Trumps.

  7. Rex Anger says:

    Hysterical allusions etc (Pol Pot was a central planner?)

    Oh? Saloth Sar and the Khmer Rouge just made shit up as they went along, did they?

    Got a proof for that ambit, guv?

  8. sfw says:

    The difficult question, been asked before and the answer always till now has been civil war. Is that the answer this time? I hope not but think it is.

  9. Ken S says:

    Xenophon

    This persistent undermining of elected government can only be seen as a wedge of anti-democratic propaganda of the kind that launched the influence of a long list of tyrants – from …to … Trump

    And there you have it ! Really ? Anti-democratic ? You obviously haven’t read widely or lived under any real tyranny. There are none so blind. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

  10. egg_ says:

    Xenophon says:
    June 26, 2021 at 5:33 pm

    The trolls are just phoning it in.

    Sad.

  11. egg_ says:

    Most people have hardly even noticed, and if they have, do not seem to care. But once these freedoms are gone, how do we get them back?

    The US non-lockdown States?

    Is Gladys leading the front (under Scummo’s auspices) here?

  12. Rex Anger says:

    The difficult question, been asked before and the answer always till now has been civil war. Is that the answer this time? I hope not but think it is.

    In which instance, Impeachment Show Trial #1 was actually the Democrats’ and Left’s Fort Sumter moment.

    They seem to be winning some spectacular-looking set piece battles (As set up by themselves- Chauvin’s jailing, Jan 6th show trials with fines and probations doled out to the allegedly nation-destroying ‘insurrectionists,’ rampant Green-banning of productive industry, the Migration Crisis).

    Look instead to the steady overturning of Critical Race Theory at District, County and State Level, the massed adoption of Constitutional Carry at County and State level nationwide, multiple actual or proposed audits of electoral dodginess (again, looking down to even Distric and County elections, of Democrats and Republicans alike), the popularity and emboldening of transparency organisations like Project Veritas, combined with the increasing panic and self-induced discrediting of our would-be ‘rightful’ rulers and their pet oligarchs and Civil Service bugmen.

    These things very strongly suggests to me that the Civil War 2.0 is actually going very well for the United States of America. And barely a shot has been fired, yet.

    As America goes, so do we fellow Anglophones…

  13. Shy Ted says:

    Can someone send Steve a link to The Great Reset. What if? How could we? If the well-credentialled put their minds to what you and I can do legally it’s be over in a few weeks.But just words

  14. mh says:

    Just ducked into Coles (Qld) and lady at entrance asked me if I would like to sign in.
    Me: No
    Her (as I walked off): You soon will be.

    Went into the liquor store next door.
    Got to the counter
    Assistant: Have you signed into the app?
    Me: Shook my head
    Assistant saw the look on my face then served me.

    Security was walking up and down outside the store entrances.

  15. candy says:

    This business of having to sign in at shops seems a step too far, to my mind. If governments can’t handle the tiny tiny amount of cases we have here without invading the privacy of citizens, it’s a very poor government.

  16. Rockdoctor says:

    mh says:
    June 26, 2021 at 6:16 pm

    What if you don’t have a phone? I went to Services NSW recently and they tried to get me to sign in which I couldn’t phone not with me but turned out the guy on the door & an offsider inside could answer my query. Made me wonder about those who have to.

  17. Lee says:

    Hysterical allusions etc (Pol Pot was a central planner?) and neurotic assertions about threats to freedom are simply puerile. This persistent undermining of elected government can only be seen as a wedge of anti-democratic propaganda of the kind that launched the influence of a long list of tyrants – from Duvalier to Trump and Erdogan.

    Trump a “tyrant”?
    As usual, you are absolutely full of it.
    And a monumental hypocrite to boot.

  18. Primer says:

    “Name one time in human history when the group fighting to ban books and censor speech were the good guys”.

  19. mh says:

    What if you don’t have a phone?

    I don’t have a smart phone.
    I have an IPad.
    And a $35 dollar mobile from BigW with a $19 monthly plan with Optus.
    I’m not walking around with an IPad everywhere.
    Maybe I will have to let Elon Musk insert a chip into my arm.

  20. Squirrel says:

    The new obsession with “checking in” (lovely little bit of sugar-coated authoritarianism) will be another brilliant way of killing off businesses which rely on discretionary spending – because every “check in” carries the risk of a “you must…..” message about testing and a fortnight of staying at home (even if triggered by what turns out to be a “false positive” test result).

    Beyond panic buying, mandatory check-in will also have its impact on non-discretionary retail, too – so some of the smug bumptiousness of staff patrolling the entrances at big supermarkets might evaporate when their jobs start evaporating.

    If they try to maintain this crap after most who want to be vaccinated have been, that might just be the last straw for public patience.

  21. OldOzzie says:

    PB says:
    June 26, 2021 at 5:13 pm
    Of interest, does anyone know how many of these NSW cases have leaked into the ICU setting so far? It’s been long enough to have seen some by now.

    We are shutting down Sydney etc and no one seems to ask the question

    How Many Covid Positives cases are there in Hospitals in NSW currently?

    How many Covid Positive in ICU in NSW Hospitals?

    How many have died from Covid in NSW this year?

    Watching Sky News Extra last night the press were like vultures attacking Gladys re locking down.

    The people calling for Lockdown all seem not to have any skin in the game – they have lost no money/income during Covid.

  22. roman says:

    A very reasonable question that should be put to the Premiers is “When does the Health Emergency end?” I mean they must be required to define exactly what currently constitutes an ’emergency’, and therefor define when we’re NOT in one.

    In Qld the premier, back in Apr 2020, quoted modelled predictions of 30,000 dead. To date the actual number is … 7. And there are currently 37 in hospital. From a state population of over 5,000,000. How is this still any kind of emergency?
    But just in the last day or so she mandated signing in at the supermarket. Like, What in the Fuck is This?

  23. Richard says:

    But once these freedoms are gone, how do we get them back?

    We don’t.

  24. Indolent says:

    But just in the last day or so she mandated signing in at the supermarket. Like, What in the Fuck is This?

    Dictatorship, pure and simple. They care about you so much that they’d be happy to see you starve if you don’t obey their little rules.

  25. Mango Man says:

    Lee; I suspect our point of difference is that you and your Trumpist ilk are doing the work of Chairman Xi but like most lackeys you can’t actually see it.
    Trump was corrosive of the US democracy and Xi will play that hard. Trumpists are key part of the threat.

  26. Rex Anger says:

    In Sandgroperstan, written and QR check in codes are mandatory at all stores, and have been all year.

    Mandatory does not mean for one second that 100% of Sandgroperstanis check in 100% of the time.

    And the recent admissions of WA Police trying to use CovidSafe data to trace individuals as part of two criminal investigations (that we plebes have been permitted to become aware of), has probably not done much to improve the situation.

    Fortunately, mandatory arsecheek tattoos of Dear Leader Sneakers’ beatific grin are yet to be enforced…

  27. Muddy says:

    Richard says:
    June 26, 2021 at 7:27 pm

    But once these freedoms are gone, how do we get them back?

    We don’t.

    Not true.
    You will have freedom for the very first time in your life: Tru Freedom(TM).

    It will be a safer, fairer, more comfortable (No Risk!) form of what your former oppressors brainwashed you into thinking was freedom, but was really an illusion designed to make you work for their benefit.

    With less effort and more harmony, Tru Freedom(TM) is what you finally deserve.
    Don’t let yourself be conned into accepting less than what you deserve.
    Tru Freedom(TM) will keep you and yours safe, fulfilled, and able to enjoy a worry-free Tru Life(TM).

    If you download the VIP Tru Freedom(TM) app before the end of July, you can enrol up to three of your children (up to the age of 12) in the Harmony Guide Family Explorers Program(TM) for free!

  28. Muddy says:

    Hmmm, formatting fail. *SighTM*

  29. Rex Anger says:

    Trump was corrosive of the US democracy and Xi will play that hard. Trumpists are key part of the threat.

    Isn’t it cute when the trollherds properly out themselves.

    Nice projection, Mongloid Man. I suspect you and your Trollherd ilk are doing the work of Chairman Xi but like most leftwits you think ruining your society and culture in the vain hope you’ll get to preside over the ruins is a great idea…

  30. Muddy says:

    Civil war?
    Nah. Many people like the fear. Perversely, it makes them feel alive.

    Two of the local muscles at my gym were frothing at lunch today about how interstaters need to found and smashed, so we can all be safer.

    Yeah, didn’t go into Coles this arvo either. The woman at the door didn’t seem to be too worried about the grape-fondlers behind her in the fruit & veg section though.

  31. Rockdoctor says:

    Rex I don’t take my phone on purpose now. As a mature looking adult, aka older, I can get away a bit with the I don’t understand technology front. When compelled and when I can get away with it I have signed in manually with pseudonyms. I knew sooner or later this sort of data tracing would be a honeypot to bureaucrats…

  32. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    Thissigning in business ,I resurected Lord Nelson signing in as H Nelson with a fictitious phone number ,I thought A Hitler went a bit far though tempting . . The phone app thingy a matesaid point your phone at it and take a photo , you can delete it later ,it looks like you are complying with the Fauci Wuhan Virus orders , bugger the interfering fascists .

  33. Chris M says:

    Just ducked into Coles (Qld) and lady at entrance asked me if I would like to sign in.

    MH Not sure about QLD but over here there are check-in codes scattered throughout all the stores. The reason is that you are allowed to check-in at any time – when you enter, during your time within the store or on the way out when you are leaving. So if they challenge you at the door over here we can just tell them ‘I’ll will do it inside’ and keep walking in. That’s why Stasi rely almost exclusively on voluntary confessions to fine people for not checking in.

  34. Joanna Smythe says:

    We are in the middle of winter. This time of year thousands get the flu. It’s all in a name and the symptoms are the same.

  35. Howard Hill says:

    Rex Anger says:
    June 26, 2021 at 6:09 pm

    Nice post, Angry, all true.
    But will it be enough? Hopium doesn’t seem to be in short supply these days but actionable outcomes are as rare as conservatives.
    How long do we wait for the hopium to run out?
    Asking for a friend.

  36. Lee says:

    Lee; I suspect our point of difference is that you and your Trumpist ilk are doing the work of Chairman Xi but like most lackeys you can’t actually see it.
    Trump was corrosive of the US democracy and Xi will play that hard. Trumpists are key part of the threat.

    Laughable projection coming from a leftist, Biden supporter.
    The only “threat” is an evil old, utterly despicable, and corrupt piece of human flotsam, who never did anything for anyone else except himself (and his family) – Joe Biden.
    Trump is out of office, but obviously not out of your mind.

  37. Muddy says:

    Howard Hill says:
    June 26, 2021 at 8:52 pm

    Hopium …

    Liberated for the Catictionary.

  38. Colonel Crispin Berka says:

    Just before the weather report each night there should be a regulation forecast.

    “Thanks, Jane. It was a light day for regulation in the west, with some vegetation clearing and home plumbing work occurring without fuss. Over in the east a different story, a great swirling mass of regulations that started out over Victoria have swept northwards, dumping 73 A4 millimeters of regulations on the Sydney and central coast areas overnight. The outlook for the week, is restriction, propaganda, fines, and a 10% chance of imprisonments on Friday. Back to you, Jane.”

  39. Perfidious Albino says:

    In Vicco the powers that be have now mandated that every business must use the Govt’s QR code system or face fines – they obviously feel confident they have it working now – only took them a year+

  40. Pyrmonter says:

    Steve

    In a frictionless world with complete property rights that were automatic and self-enforcing and with liability rules that imposed losses quickly and effectively on parties who transmitted Covid, I could imagine there might be no need for government measures. But, and to understand what was the real point of Coase’s long paper on Social Cost, we don’t live in that world.

    There are a bunch of things I think governments have got wrong: slow vaccination; not authorising rapid testing; effectively depriving private parties of the right to insist on testing (impractical in Australia given our licensing systems for ‘therapeutic goods’ and lots of gobbledygook about medical privacy, though conceptually I can’t see why we haven’t rolled out rapid testing in all workplaces: it would have caught most of the Sydney outbreak before infection could be transmitted). Moreover, they suffer from exactly the problems of ‘knowledge’ essayed by Mises and Hayek a century ago – working out how and when and why and what is the best means of reducing the losses associated with Covid is hard, at very least. Yet, it’s hard to imagine any state that doesn’t try; and in doing so, doing the sorts of things that in a contractarian sense, most people would expect the state to do. You don’t need to be full-throated Rawlsian to thing governments ‘do infectious diseases’.

  41. Boambee John says:

    Xenophon says:
    June 26, 2021 at 5:33 pm
    Hysterical allusions etc (Pol Pot was a central planner?)

    Hey Xenophobe, Pol Pot certainly planned Year Zero from the centre.

  42. Cardimona says:

    One of today’s letters to ten newspapers…
    ..

    The Editor

    It’s incredible that Australia’s media organisations still think they control the flow of news; they seem oblivious that the internet brings everyone’s news to us all.

    Consider the Indian Bar Association versus the World Health Organization story.

    The IBA has served notice on the Director-General of the WHO, a senior WHO scientist, and the Indian government’s Directorate General of Health Services for contempt of judgment of the Bombay High Court.

    You see, the State Government of Goa had proven in court that Ivermectin is effective for the treatment of COVID-19, it had been in regular use, and cases in India were low.

    But a WHO-led conspiracy tricked the DGHS into advising doctors against prescribing Ivermectin – and cases soared.

    That’s what caused India’s recent “deadly second wave,” which our media used to ratchet up the fear campaign here while banning all mention of Ivermectin.

    The experimental vaccines our contemptible governments are attempting to mandate only have their “emergency use approval” because there’s not supposed to be an effective treatment.

    But there is.

    Let that sink in.

    Our despicable Liberal and Labor governments and our detestable progressive-hivemind health bureaucrats want to mandate vaccines with unacceptable side-effects while they conspire with the media companies to hide the safe, well-known, cheap, simple cure.

    If I was an Australian politician, health bureaucrat, or CEO of a media company (looking at you, Michael Miller) I’d be researching the Nuremburg Code and considering its implications for accessories to crimes against humanity.

    (245 words)

    https://indianbarassociation.in/legal-notice-for-contempt-of-court-against-dr-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-dr-soumya-swaminathan-and-the-directorate-general-of-health-services-dghs/
    http://www.kashmirtimes.com/newsdet.aspx?q=110283
    http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/

  43. Chris M says:

    There are a bunch of things I think governments have got wrong: slow vaccination

    Er, that’s the one thing they got about right. Why rush it? the longer the better, we can learn more of the short and medium term side effects. In a year or two we will start to get a picture of the impact on fertility and organs with high spike protein uptake like the ovaries and placenta, then check viability and health of offspring.

  44. ozman says:

    Rex Anger says:
    June 26, 2021 at 7:47 pm
    In Sandgroperstan, written and QR check in codes are mandatory at all stores, and have been all year.

    The CHO in WA has declared, on the 5th March, 2021, covid-19 vaccine a poison that can be administered by Defence Force employees. In NSW and Vic the vaccine is not called a poison. Are sandgropers aware of this? Or are they just like the rest of the ostriches with their head buried in the sand?

  45. Captain Katzenjammer says:

    There’s a religion called Submission, but in another language.
    Is the world being inducted into its secular form?

  46. Howard Hill says:

    Knock yourself out, Muddy, but it’s as common as leftwits in .gov and on this blog 🙂

  47. Tel says:

    The IBA has served notice on the Director-General of the WHO, a senior WHO scientist, and the Indian government’s Directorate General of Health Services for contempt of judgment of the Bombay High Court.

    I see modern India as the strongest remaining vestige of the British Empire … if we have to be saved by someone, then I’m OK with that.

    But a WHO-led conspiracy tricked the DGHS into advising doctors against prescribing Ivermectin – and cases soared.

    That’s what caused India’s recent “deadly second wave,” which our media used to ratchet up the fear campaign here while banning all mention of Ivermectin.

    One particular detail jumped out at me: “The maximum punishment in above cases is death penalty.”

  48. johanna says:

    Ivermectin’s discoverer and developer won a Nobel Prize, something never mentioned by the pooh-poohers who minimise its importance in the history of effective medications for both humans and animals:

    The avermectin family of compounds was discovered by Satoshi Ōmura of Kitasato University and William Campbell of Merck. In 1970, Ōmura isolated unusual Streptomyces bacteria from the soil near a golf course along the south east coast of Honshu, Japan. Ōmura sent the bacteria to William Campbell, who showed that the bacterial culture could cure mice infected with the roundworm Heligmosomoides polygyrus. Campbell isolated the active compounds from the bacterial culture, naming them “avermectins” and the bacterium Streptomyces avermitilis for the compounds’ ability to clear mice of worms (in Latin: a ‘without’, vermis ‘worms’). Of the various avermectins, Campbell’s group found the compound “avermectin B1” to be the most potent when taken orally. They synthesized modified forms of avermectin B1 to improve its pharmaceutical properties, eventually choosing a mixture of at least 80% 22,23-dihydroavermectin B1a and up to 20% 22,23-dihydroavermectin B1b, a combination they called “ivermectin”.

    Ivermectin was introduced in 1981. Half of the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded jointly to Campbell and Ōmura for discovering avermectin, “the derivatives of which have radically lowered the incidence of river blindness and lymphatic filariasis, as well as showing efficacy against an expanding number of other parasitic diseases”.

    It really is a wonder drug – something I had no idea about when watching those ads for sheep parasite treatment that pop up now and then on regional TV channels.

    The longer it has been available, the more uses were found for it, in both animals and humans. It must have contributed billions of dollars to the livestock industry, and saved countless human lives.

    But, alas, it is out of patent, therefore of no interest to the swarm of bees around the COVID honeypot of public funds.

  49. RacerX says:

    “In Qld …. there are currently 37 in hospital. “

    Yes Roman that is because every positive case from hotel quarantine in Qld is sent to hospital, it doesn’t mean anyone is even sick.

  50. Bad Samaritan says:

    Was watching a fine doco on Netflix about the death squads sent into eastern Europe by Adolf + co, following the German attack on the USSR……entering occupied territory, following active military forces, doing the behind the lines mass ad hoc exterminations (this prior to the final solution camps). Interesting was that so often the commands were given by Germans but the actual slaughter was nearly all by locals absolutely enjoying their parts..

    Now, even though the trolls on this blog are mostly mere stirrers out to get a rise and a giggle, the simple existence of such a mentality (it’s humorous to mock suffering; to support cruelty and evil political duplicity), the parallels between the leftist mindset in a ‘soft’ country like Oz, and that of the leftists in 1940s eastern Europe is extraordinarily clear.

    Think Nurse Ratched in Cuckoo’s Nest (the movie, not the Ratched series). The “just following orders”; the “this will lead to a brighter tomorrow” clap-trap….but especially the banality of the trolls here (echoes of Hannah Arendt’s book on the trivialization of utter evil) shows what leftism is capable of, does it not?

    BTW; “Loved” Xenophon’s effort to claim that Pol Pot, after taking over a whole country, who then from a single room, on a single command without the slightest second-thought or further discussion orders destruction and mass murder across that entire country is not central planning. Pretty amusing tongue-in-cheek stuff, eh what?

  51. Mark A says:

    Bad Samaritan says:
    June 27, 2021 at 5:48 am

    Interesting was that so often the commands were given by Germans but the actual slaughter was nearly all by locals absolutely enjoying their parts..

    It was mentioned here before, these people were always living amongst us, all they need is the opportunity.
    In the meantime they live out their cruelty streak in more subtle, acceptable ways.

  52. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Interesting was that so often the commands were given by Germans but the actual slaughter was nearly all by locals absolutely enjoying their parts..

    Well it was said by someone much smarter than me that in Germany, Hitler and his murderous regime didn’t just suddenly start shipping Jews by the 100s, of 1000s, first they had to make their neighbours hate them.

    Well now it’s the elites, the wealthy, and the unaffected public serpents who hate the populace for noticing their cruel hypocrisy and for calling it out. It’s the elites, the wealthy and the unaffected who gleefully cheer on the soulless bastards masquerading as the leaders, urging on the hurt, humiliation and hammering of the poor and powerless.

  53. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Mark A says:
    June 27, 2021 at 6:06 am

    Well said.

  54. Matt says:

    NSW currently 5 in hospital, 1 in ICU

  55. Rex Anger says:


    NSW currently 5 in hospital, 1 in ICU

    On Day 3 of the Test, with 24 overs to Stumps and a call to pause for Drinks.

    Which is about as solemnly and seriously as the bugmens’ ghoulish scorekeeping and propagandising should be treated.

    (Context: 5 ‘positive’ PCR swabs in hospital, 1 in ICU. Out of a Greater Sydney population of 5 or so million people…)

  56. Matt says:

    The CHO in WA has declared, on the 5th March, 2021, covid-19 vaccine a poison that can be administered by Defence Force employees.

    That’s because the Public Health Act 2014 refers to powers of the CHO:

    197. Chief Health Officer may authorise persons to administer, manufacture, supply or prescribe poisons In this section —
    poison —
    (b) after the commencement of the Medicines and Poisons Act 2014 section 3, has the meaning given in that section.

    And the Medicines & Poisons Act defines scheduled medicines as poisons.

    poison means a substance that is a Schedule 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 poison;

    I.e.

    Schedule 8 — Controlled Drug
    Substances which should be available for use but require restriction of manufacture, supply, distribution, possession and use to reduce abuse, misuse and physical or psychological dependence.

  57. PB says:

    RacerX says:
    June 27, 2021 at 4:14 am

    That’s true. Once identified by PCR they are moved to the Healthcare jurisdiction under the assumption that they can be better isolated. Most of the time they either aren’t sick, or if they are its observation and monitoring.

  58. Matt says:

    If I was an Australian politician, health bureaucrat, or CEO of a media company (looking at you, Michael Miller) I’d be researching the Nuremburg Code and considering its implications for accessories to crimes against humanity.

    Anyone who throws around the Nuremberg Code might want to do a little research to understand what it actually is, it’s implications & standing. And maybe check the spelling if you’re writing letters to the Editor.

  59. Crossie says:

    It was the media personalities on free to air TV shows that were advocating for wider lockdowns yesterday. It would be the same people who can work from home via their phone, not even a laptop is required, so they are not affected like people whose businesses go under. Not once have they given a thought to those little people, Marie Antoinettes all of them.

  60. Crossie says:

    Of interest, does anyone know how many of these NSW cases have leaked into the ICU setting so far? It’s been long enough to have seen some by now.

    Even Patient Zero, the guy who transported the airplane crew seems unaffected. This thing is so deadly that we must screen everybody to find a few cells of COVID-19 lurking around.

    That NSW politician who claims to feel like a truck hit him is still able to hang out on the balcony and give interviews. We can recognise a performance when we see it. If he were seriously ill wouldn’t he be under medical supervision?

  61. Cardimona says:

    Fvck off, Matt – autocorrupt claims many victims and if it hasn’t got you yet – it will.

    But you know what autocorrupt can’t change?
    The message.

    The message stands, you miserable pedant.
    Your globalist mates want to kill you, too.

  62. Matt says:

    Thanks for completely failing to address the actual point about the Nuremberg Code.
    And blaming autocorrect actually reinforces my point that you don’t actually know anything about what the Nuremberg Code is or does, and are just repeating talking points of others.

  63. Rex Anger says:

    and are just repeating talking points of others.

    That’s pretty rich com8ng from you, Matty dear.

    More irony than a commercial laundry at full swing…

  64. Kneel says:

    “But once these freedoms are gone, how do we get them back?”

    They are only gone if you believe they are gone. If you believe they are inalienable, they are not gone, just suppressed by tyrants.

    Peaceful civil disobedience is the ticket.

    For instance, in Shitney, we have “mandatory” mask wearing in enclosed public spaces. There are exemptions. And like it was/is in Vic, you do not need to provide proof of your exemption to an officer of the law, merely claim it. So I will not be complying with this harmful “mandate” – I have done my homework, know what to say if stopped, and have the appropriate GovCo web page left open on my mobile phone. I strongly encourage my fellow Shitney-siders to do the same.

    These people have no compunction in penalising you for the slightest technical infraction of the law, so I feel in no way bad about using a “technicality” to subvert their attempts to control every aspect of my life and usurp my right to self-determination.

  65. Cardimona says:

    Matt, you only reinforce my view of the shallow contempt the left have for the rules of decent society.

    http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/

  66. stackja says:

    I am concerned about my elderly friends. I am not impressed by leftists.

  67. Bill The Bunyip says:

    I have wondered why so many people happily went along with the insanity named science. This morning I read an article at the Richardson Post that perhaps explains it a little.
    Link is here
    The interesting parts are the later experiments when the white coat was replaced and compliance fell.

  68. Matt says:

    Again completely missing the point.

  69. Cardimona says:

    You don’t have a point.

  70. Matt says:

    Maybe I’ll spell it out for you, and see how you go.
    You said ‘ If I was an Australian politician, health bureaucrat, or CEO of a media company (looking at you, Michael Miller) I’d be researching the Nuremburg Code and considering its implications for accessories to crimes against humanity.’
    What’s the mechanism for this? The Nuremberg Code is a set of principles, not a legal doctrine. You would also be aware that it’s been superseded by the Declaration of Helsinki (adopted in 1964, last updated 2013), UNESCO’s Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights (2005) or the International Ethical Guidelines for Health-Related Research Involving Humans (version 4, 2016). So it would no longer be the Nuremberg Code that would form the basis of any complaint about unethical research.
    And furthermore, if you had done the research you suggest others do, you would also know that health research in Australia is guided by:

    Australia’s National Statement on Ethical Conduct in Human Research https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/about-us/publications/national-statement-ethical-conduct-human-research-2007-updated-2018
    Australian Code for the Responsible Conduct of Research https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/about-us/publications/australian-code-responsible-conduct-research-2018

    There is more, but that’s a start.

  71. Rob MW says:

    Most people have hardly even noticed, and if they have, do not seem to care. But once these freedoms are gone, how do we get them back?

    Resurrect Stephen Langton, give him a new pitchfork and call it Ivermectin.

  72. Delta says:

    Most people have hardly even noticed, and if they have, do not seem to care. But once these freedoms are gone, how do we get them back?

    https://rumble.com/virugr-how-does-it-end.html

  73. Xword says:

    If you use a pseudonym to sign in to whatever, make sure you pay in cash. Also, re CC cameras, the mask is actually your friend.

  74. Tel says:

    I really want to wear a full Darth Vader helmet to the local supermarket … even better if it has the chest mounted life support system.

    Thing is, I live in an immigrant suburb, no one believes the crap and everyone does the minimum to get along. I noticed last time that halal butchers are ignoring mask mandates and the cops simply do not question them. Therefore I guess I’m going to be eating a lot of lamb mince for the next few weeks … what can be done?

  75. Rob MW says:

    What’s the mechanism for this?

    It’s a Tort served under the divisional court of Common Law – violation of an inalienable right/ natural justice (procedural fairness) – s75 of the Constitution, and possibly criminal given that poking things into peoples bodies without their informed consent (UCC/ 1 – 308) is really, really bad.

  76. Matt says:

    So you know for a fact that the people who have been vaccinated did not provide informed consent?

  77. Rob MW says:

    informed consent?

    informed consent
    [informed consent]
    DEFINITION

    permission granted in the knowledge of the possible consequences, typically that which is given by a patient to a doctor for treatment with full knowledge of the possible risks and benefits.
    “written informed consent was obtained from each patient”

    I might add that not advising on possible pre-hospital alternatives is not informed consent. If you have “full knowledge” about this bug please advise the powers that be that you are fully informed in relation to your remedies, the whole world is waiting.

  78. Matt says:

    And which ‘non-hospital alternatives’ are you referring to?
    Having seen the information provided to people receiving the vaccine, they are certainly provided details of risks and benefits of the vaccine. And as someone who has provided healthcare, I have a good understanding of the principles and practices of informed consent – which extends well beyond your Google search.

  79. Rob MW says:

    And which ‘non-hospital alternatives’ are you referring to?

    Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection
    A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

    And as someone who has provided healthcare, I have a good understanding of the principles and practices of informed consent – which extends well beyond your Google search.

    Quite obviously you don’t mate, because its not so much the “principles and practices”, it’s a binding legal requirement and any knowable act of omission is a tort.

  80. Vicki says:

    Having seen the information provided to people receiving the vaccine, they are certainly provided details of risks and benefits of the vaccine.

    Firstly, I concede that I have not presented for vaccination, so I have not examined the “details of risks and benefits of the vaccine” information that you claim is provided to the participants.

    However, it should be acknowledged that the vaccination protocol in respect to COVID 19 does not in any way equate with the vaccination programs with which we are familiar – smallpox, measles et al. Vaccine released for these ailments had been exhaustively tested with peer reviewed clinical trials of many years – in modern times – at least a 7-10 year period.

    For reasons we all know, the approval bodies released the CV vaccines as an emergency measure way short of past periods of testing. It could be argued that the public are taking part in a Stage 4 clinical trial.

    Now the intricacies of gene technology are pretty “heavy” for the average punter – so you can’t convince me that we have “informed consent” here!
    So, whereas reliance on the development of past vaccines didn’t require specific technical understanding, I would argue that, particularly in view of the above average adverse reactions reported (& probably under reported) the public cannot give “informed” consent at this stage.

  81. Matt says:

    Given that Ivermectin is not currently recommended for use for COVID in Australia, there is no requirement to include mention of it as part of the informed consent process for vaccinations. If that status changes, then it should be included. Good luck in the meantime with your legally binding requirement.

  82. Rob MW says:

    Given that Ivermectin is not currently recommended for use for COVID in Australia, there is no requirement to include mention of it as part of the informed consent process for vaccinations.

    Yes there is. The authorities have knowledge of it and have omitted this information from the informed consent legal doctrine. Therefore, informed consent must include not only the known side effects of the emergency vaccines but also known alternative treatment(s) and their potential side effects. Failure to do so (omission), on any grounds, is not a defense where an injury has occurred.

  83. Matt says:

    Rob – when (if) it’s approved, then yes. Until then, no.

  84. Matt says:

    Interesting study – they compare NNTV data from Israel with side effect data from a different population. And then in choosing the side effect data, rather than using the European average of 127 they choose the worst case data from the Netherlands (701). There is not a really clear explanation for this decision. They then do state that the risk:benefit ratio in terms of deaths prevented and deaths incurred could range from 2:3 to 1:8 – which paints a different picture.

    While the European average is 127 individual case safety reports (ICSRs), i.e., cases with side effect reports, per 100,000 vaccinations, the Dutch authorities have registered 701 reports per 100,000 vaccinations, while Poland has registered only 15 ISCRs per 100,000 vaccinations. Assuming that this difference is not due to differential national susceptibility to vaccination side effects, but due to different national reporting standards, we decided to use the data of the Dutch national register

  85. Rob MW says:

    Rob – when (if) it’s approved, then yes. Until then, no.

    There’s the injury, and there is no, absolutely no excuse or defense.

  86. L.Leoshkevitch says:

    Actually there is a reason for using the Netherlands data. Read carefully.

  87. Tel says:

    Therefore, informed consent must include not only the known side effects of the emergency vaccines but also known alternative treatment(s) and their potential side effects. Failure to do so (omission), on any grounds, is not a defense where an injury has occurred.

    I totally agree, especially when you consider that the spectrum of comparable treatments ONLY includes symptom reduction … because that is what the vaccine is tested for.

    This is about the difference between someone who is genuinely doing their very best to deliver the information available, vs someone who is weaselly and looking for excuses. It might not be a clear distinction that can be spelled out in legal terms, but ordinary people can judge the difference.

  88. Matt says:

    The authors suggest the difference in reported numbers are due to differences in national reporting standards, and make the assumption (without providing evidence) that the Dutch data is the most accurate.
    The Dutch data is also reported deaths after vaccination, which includes notification from the public without verification. From the actual data source there is this caution about interpreting the data – “Death after vaccination does not mean that an adverse reaction to the vaccine caused the death.” Hence the 40 deaths per million being a significant over-estimate. To date we have had 2 deaths for about 6 million doses in Australia.

  89. ozman says:

    If only one death is avoided, it is better not to vaccinate than vaccinate.
    If only one suicide is avoided it is better to stay open than lock down.
    If only one business could be saved it is better not to lock down.
    If only Matt could demonstrate that the virus SARS-CoV-2 was filtrated through a filter and proven to be contagious, he would have some integrity. Currently he has none.

  90. Matt says:

    I agree that we are trying to minimise deaths and serious illness. You might recall the 800+ who died last year in Victoria, perhaps the 600,000+ who have died in the USA or the nearly 4 million deaths globally since the start of the pandemic. That’s what we are trying to minimise.

  91. Matt says:

    And from the Robert Malone tweet linked above:

    From @informatiker4tj
    Dear Dr.Malone
    The question(answer too) i asked you has confused some people.
    Question:
    Has the SARS-CoV-2 virus ever been isolated?
    Yes or No?
    Thanks

    Response @RWMaloneMD
    yes, many times. Isolated, replicated, expanded, titrated, animal challenge models developed etc.

    https://twitter.com/informatiker4tj/status/1408861191275941893

  92. Rex Anger says:

    I agree that we are trying to minimise deaths and serious illness. You might recall the 800+ who died last year in Victoria, perhaps the 600,000+ who have died in the USA or the nearly 4 million deaths globally since the start of the pandemic. That’s what we are trying to minimise.

    4 million out of 7 billion.

    800 out of 25-26 million- The vast majority attributable to your State Health Organisation’s incompetence, Matty darling

    600,000 deaths from 300 million + people. And the majority of those reported numbers are suspect due to the funding boost attached to C00f coding in the death reports. Death by gunshot? C00f. Motorcycle accident? C00f. And so forth.

    A healthy sense of perspective is needed. And you are in a poor place to provide it.

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