Expert advice everywhere

We were out to dinner last night with some friends of my wife from her days in high school when the words Uganda and HCQ entered the conversation. The exchange of words – now by email – continues already into this morning and will no doubt continue for a bit longer. These people on the left are seriously deranged. They do not actually want to make anyone better off, or at least not unless it benefits them even more. Good thing we didn’t mention Ivermectin. But just in case you are interested, there is this to consider: Ivermectin: Whole of Country Trials Updated where you will find:

 

India’s second wave was looking ominous until a number of Indian states started issuing ivermectin to treat Covid patients. Then, on 7th June, approval of ivermectin was revoked at the federal level. This was followed by an immediate reversal of trend until sanity prevailed again. You have to admire health officials who quite readily sacrifice the lives of several thousand of their fellow citizens in order to generate irrefutable efficacy data.

 

 

The Czech Republic was also having a torrid second wave of the virus until ivermectin was approved on 8th March. On 30th June the death rate was down to two per day.

 

Meanwhile the usual clowns who pretend they are experts in a disease that was unknown to the world until last year are now declaring: These masks here to stay.

University of Melbourne professorial fellow in epidemiology Tony Blakely agreed. “Vaccination alone is not the exit strategy,” he said.

“We won’t be throwing away masks, we will still be wearing them on public transport, for example.

“We will be wearing them indoors when there is a community outbreak.”

Head of the University of Melbourne’s school of population and global health, Nancy Baxter, said: “We have to get a lot more used to wearing masks.”

She said better ventilation in some buildings would also be crucial to reducing airborne transmission once the virus was in the community, especially at schools where many children might not be vaccinated.

The cover-up call comes as the scientific community braces for the coronavirus battle to last several years, and as Australia prepares to open to the rest of the world, where often vastly different health strategies are in place.

These filthy face coverings will cause more damage than Covid, and I should know because I, too, am an expert. And I predict our living standards will fall and there will be less overseas travel. From The Age.

Ticket prices for London to Sydney flights over the next fortnight bounced erratically on Saturday, at times as high as $38,000, the day after Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced a reduction to just 3000 inbound passengers a week in response to the risks posed by the Delta strain of COVID-19.

Plus, from today’s Herald Sun:

Treasury’s forecast. Am average family will be hit by a real wage fall of $21,000 over the next four years. An analysis of May’s budget papers has found the federal government expects real wages for an average Australian family to fall that much over that time.

And who’s to say I’m wrong other than some other expert.

Sorry, I also meant to add in this:

Via Small Dead Animals.

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43 Responses to Expert advice everywhere

  1. Paul says:

    Well left wing science was always geared for political outcomes.
    That’s why it’s verboten to do science that shows Trump is right.

  2. duncanm says:

    Am average privately employed family will be hit by a real wage fall of $21,000 over the next four years

    FIFY

  3. cohenite says:

    Never go out with your wife’s friends.

  4. Flyingduk says:

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/301961878812

    On an unrelated topic …. Ivermectin for horses. The human dose is 200 mcg/kg

  5. OldOzzie says:

    Pandemic shows our political ‘leaders’ are not fit for the job

    The lack of leadership from both federal and state politicians reflects the lack of real world experience among our politicians,

    writes Piers Akerman.

    The Wuhan flu virus has exposed what many have long thought – our elected leaders at the state and federal level are incompetent.

    The national cabinet which replaced the Council of Australian Governments (COAG) in March last year has been as burdened with backbiting jealousy and petty rivalries as the most parochial local council.

    Meant to have the same status as the War Cabinet which met during the Second World War, it has dismally failed to rise to anything near the same level of authority let alone competence.

    Not a single state leader has an unblemished record and neither have the chief health officers each has used as a shield to deflect legitimate criticism.

    Major errors have occurred since the arrival of the Ruby Princess in Sydney at 3am on March 19, 2020, from New Zealand (where she left a trail of Covid-19 infection) was permitted to disembark passengers who (just imagine) spread the virus across Australia and internationally as they flew to their homes.

    Five days after the ship crept into Sydney Harbour it was revealed that one passenger had died and 133 on the ship had tested positive for the coronavirus. By March 30, at least 440 passengers had tested positive and by March 31 five of them had died, one in the ACT, two in Tasmania, one in NSW and one in Queensland.

    By April 2, the number testing positive, excluding those who had left Australia without being tested, had risen to 337 passengers and 3 crew members.

    But nothing was learnt from that experience.

    In Victoria, Premier Daniel Andrews locked down public housing towers in Flemington and North Melbourne without warning at 4pm on July 4 in a move that the Victorian Ombudsman Deborah Glass found was not based on direct health advice and was in violation of the state’s human rights laws.

    The lockdown flowed from a Crisis Council meeting of the Victorian Cabinet but she was denied access to documents from that meeting.

    Victoria’s inept handling of the virus has seen it contribute 820 deaths to Australia’s total 910 toll.

    Chillingly, the same premiers and the same health officials are still in place and still contributing to the confusion and hopeless ineptitude that passes for health policy at every level of government.

    Under these “experts” vast swathes of NSW are enduring yet another lockdown brought about because no-one foresaw a need to ensure that drivers of international aircrew be required to be vaccinated.

    Unvaccinated health workers were also permitted to work in multiple hospitals – what could possible go wrong?

    Cities in Queensland are similarly in lockdown because an unvaccinated student was permitted to work in proximity to a coronavirus ward for days though she was sick and exhibiting classic virus symptoms.

    The Queensland chief health officer Jeanette Young seriously undermined the effort to encourage vaccinations with her confidence-sapping remarks about the risks associated with the AstraZeneca vaccine. Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has already appointed her Queensland’s next governor. Seriously.

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s approach to the pandemic has been little better than that of the premiers. Granting indemnity to GPs administering vaccines but not to those who may suffer is hardly confidence boosting.

    The majority of Australians have been unable to leave the country since March 2020 and there is still no clarity about when the travel ban will be lifted even for those who have received a full course of vaccinations.

    If anything was designed to reduce confidence in the efficacy of vaccinations, this half-hearted measure seals the deal yet the risk from the vaccine is less than that of a road accident, or death from murder.

    The damage to the national economy caused by this bungling has been as harmful as anything the global warming Greens would wish upon our hugely successful energy exports and the remnants of our manufacturing industry.

    The lack of leadership from both federal and state politicians reflects the lack of real world experience among our politicians.

    On both sides of politics we have former staffers who have never worked in private enterprise, let alone run a small business, making decisions without any basis in skill or experience.

    Leaders are meant to quell panic and confusion, not create chaos.

  6. Oscr says:

    Years ago Volvo cars had a reputation as being a bit dull but very safe. There was always the question as to whether they were the safest cars around or just tended to be bought by conservative risk adverse older drivers. So there was no probabilty measurement attaching to the hypothesis that Volvo cars in themselves were significantly safer than the average car. In a nutshell the medical establishment is using this rationale as reason for recommending against HCQ and Ivermectin as therapeutics to treat COVID-19, i.e. they maintain there is no definitive probabilty measure attaching to the hypothesis that these drugs are almost sure to be effective in saving everyone with COVID-19. They prefer the certainty of some patients dying and them not being blamed or sued for negligence (by complying with recommendations) to the risk that someone who receives the drugs still dies and are then open to being sued by relatives for negligence.

  7. nb says:

    Derangement is the new virus. Weird.

  8. Baa Humbug says:

    In a nutshell the medical establishment is using this rationale as reason for recommending against HCQ and Ivermectin as therapeutics to treat COVID-19, i.e. they maintain there is no definitive probabilty measure attaching to the hypothesis that these drugs are almost sure to be effective in saving everyone with COVID-19.

    I’m led to believe that if there was an effective treatment and or prophylaxis for COVID-19, then the vaccines would not have been granted emergency use approvals.

    Always follow the money.

  9. chrisl says:

    COVID anecdote #233
    A friend of my daughter’s in Minnesota USA took a holiday flight to Arizona.. She is fully vaccinated . After 5 days she returned home to symptoms of COVID. No taste or smell. She tested positive. Her travelling companion tested negative. She felt unwell for 3 days and then tested negative.
    No idea what it means

  10. PB says:

    “In a nutshell the medical establishment is using this rationale as reason for recommending against HCQ and Ivermectin as therapeutics to treat COVID-19, i.e. they maintain there is no definitive probabilty measure attaching to the hypothesis that these drugs are almost sure to be effective in saving everyone with COVID-19.”

    And there will likely never be any further large-scale study in any Western teaching hospital on the efficacy of these drugs now, so tainted has their brand become by media-amplified derision. Any information coming back will have to come from India or wherever else they are prepared to try it, and will most likely be anecdotal.

  11. flyingduk says:

    In a nutshell the medical establishment is using this rationale as reason for recommending against HCQ and Ivermectin as therapeutics to treat COVID-19, i.e. they maintain there is no definitive probabilty measure attaching to the hypothesis that these drugs are almost sure to be effective in saving everyone with COVID-19….. They prefer the certainty of some patients dying and them not being blamed or sued for negligence (by complying with recommendations) to the risk that someone who receives the drugs still dies and are then open to being sued by relatives for negligence

    Bullshit …. speaking as one, all doctors are insured and most doctors are well meaning and caring, but too busy or too conservative to do anything other than regurgitate whatever their wise superiors tell them (‘healthy diet pyramid’ and ‘cholesterol hypothesis for heart disease’ are classic examples.

  12. Shy Ted says:

    I’ve always liked Piers Ak’ opinions but this is woeful. He has accepted that Convid really is a thing and the numbers are all genuine. It isn’t, they aren’t.

  13. chrisl says:

    Meanwhile …. We have had EIGHT deaths on the roads in the last week in Victoria… and we turn right over to the tv page…

  14. PB says:

    “but too busy or too conservative to do anything other than regurgitate whatever their wise superiors tell them”

    I will second that and add that in the case of vaccines, anything less than enthusiastic advocacy could potentially see them denounced to AHPRA and their very registration put at risk, so, path of least resistance always beckons, and until now that hasn’t been that unreasonable a choice. These vaccines are not like the others and open new questions, but the same old advocacy is expected.

    I’ve heard one so far telling a patient it was no different to the flu vaccine that he usually has.

  15. grumpy says:

    Wife had ABC news on and the NSW CMO was talking about some positive tests in a nursing home. She said luckily all 3 who tested positive had been fully vaccinated. The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.

  16. Leo G says:

    chrisl says at 6:29 pm

    COVID anecdote #233
    A friend of my daughter’s in Minnesota USA … tested positive …. felt unwell for 3 days and then tested negative.
    No idea what it means

    It means that either the first test was a false positive, or she was infected with virus present in her airways at levels close to the threshold of detection, or that the latter test gave a false negative result, or that either of the tests was bungled, or the account is a typical traveller’s yarn, or some combination of the aforesaid.

  17. flyingduk says:

    Meanwhile …. We have had EIGHT deaths on the roads in the last week in Victoria…

    Oh ffs – don’t give Dan ideas!!

  18. egg_ says:

    Ivermectin?

    Scummo’s got a shed load of AZ to offload onto the unsuspecting public, according to Insiders.

  19. egg_ says:

    some positive tests in a nursing home… all 3 who tested positive had been fully vaccinated.

    The roulette-wheel-of-death: 2.5x more chance of a blood clot than the Rona?

  20. MPH says:

    Chillingly, the same premiers and the same health officials are still in place and still contributing to the confusion and hopeless ineptitude that passes for health policy at every level of government.

    What, you thought delegating legislative authority to government agencies with absolutely zero accountability was going to go well? Boomer logic at its finest.

    The biggest disappointment about COVID is that it didn’t turn out to be the Boomer Remover that younger generations had hoped. We’re getting all of the pain and none of the gain.

  21. mh says:

    Rasmussen

    Nearly a Third of Americans Think Public Health Officials Are Lying About Vaccine Safety
    Friday, July 02, 2021

    Distrust of public health officials may be a major factor in people refusing to get the COVID-19 vaccine. Nearly a third of Americans believe officials are lying about vaccine safety, a number that rises to almost two-thirds among those who say they don’t intend to get vaccinated against the coronavirus.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 32% of American Adults believe public health officials are lying about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines. Forty-eight percent (48%) don’t think so, while 20% are not sure

  22. flyingduk says:

    some positive tests in a nursing home… all 3 who tested positive had been fully vaccinated.

    Now all repeat after me – a positive test is NOT a ‘case’

  23. shane says:

    ”flyingduk says:
    July 4, 2021 at 6:41 pm
    In a nutshell the medical establishment is using this rationale as reason for recommending against HCQ and Ivermectin as therapeutics to treat COVID-19, ………

    Bullshit …. speaking as one, all doctors are insured and most doctors are well meaning and caring, but too busy or too conservative to do anything other than regurgitate whatever their wise superiors tell them .”

    You may well be a qualified practicing flyingduck, but your ability to practice critically & in the best interests of your patients has already been nobbled by the group think of those who actually control the licencing of these professions also known as AHPRA ….a stark choice to either put your head above the ramparts & become a target for all those ignorant leftists communitarians whether or not they have a financial interest in this outcome who believe a few broken eggs are necessary for that herd immunity [ like Dr Fauci’s wife] and who appear to have never heard of ivermectin or HCQ or simply remain silent & safe as the village atheist.

    as the SMH a few months put it independently minded health practitioners are in fact sitting ducks in this situation whether they have yet realised it or not

    ”Doctors, healthcare workers to be punished for anti-vax COVID claims
    Kate Aubusson
    By Kate Aubusson
    Updated March 10, 2021

    Doctors, nurses and pharmacists who spread COVID anti-vaccination claims will face harsh penalties, including being stripped of their ability to practise, by the medical watchdog.

    The national medical boards and the Australian Health Practitioner Regulatory Agency (AHPRA) released a joint directive warning healthcare practitioners that they risk regulatory action if they spout false or deceptive misinformation to patients or on social media that could undermine the national vaccination program as the AstraZeneca vaccine rollout begins……..”

    In a parallel legal setting anyone compromised with a financial or professional threat like that hanging over them would be expected to recuse themselves or at least question themselves as to how even handed & detached they could be or appear to be in deciding their position.

  24. Mark M says:

    The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS): Mask Facts

    https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

    “COVID-19 is as politically-charged as it is infectious.
    Early in the COVID-19 pandemic, the WHO, the CDC and NIH’s Dr. Anthony Fauci discouraged wearing masks as not useful for non-health care workers.
    Now they recommend wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are hard to do (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies).

    The recommendation was published without a single scientific paper or other information provided to support that cloth masks actually provide any respiratory protection.”

    Wait. What?

    QLD: Recommended types of face masks or other face coverings

    The best face mask is a single-use surgical mask – you can purchase these at pharmacies. If you are unable to get a surgical mask, any paper or cloth masks are fine to use.
    The most effective cloth masks are made up of at least 3 layers.

    Make your own cloth mask

    You can make your own cloth mask. Read more: How to make a cloth mask (PDF).

    >> AAPS are correct: There is no link to any mask science in pdf (because it doesn’t exist).

    https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/protect-yourself-others/face-masks

  25. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    “We won’t be throwing away masks, we will still be wearing them on public transport, for example.

    Haha, after the Greens screeching for years about the loveliness of public transport we now have lefty experts saying this? ROFL.

    And here’s why I’m ROFLing:

    Used car prices hit all-time highs (1 Jul)

    AUSTRALIAN wholesale used car prices are continuing to surge in the face of ongoing new-car supply constraints with the Manheim Used Vehicle Value index continuing to see records broken month after month this year.

    The index is now sitting at 158.1 off the base year of 2006 with wholesale prices of used cars in Australia up 63.4 per cent year-on-year – another record.

    A similar pattern has emerged in the United States where the Federal Reserve has found that surging used-car prices are having a direct effect on the country’s inflation rate, where a 7.3 per cent month-over-month jump in used-vehicle prices in May accounted for one-third of the total increase in core inflation.

    Good luck getting Australians onto public transport. They don’t worship Gaia and they don’t like wearing useless masks either.

  26. Mark M says:

    Studies of Surgical Masks Efficacy

    “As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil Orr’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England.

    Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester.

    And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries.

    They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years.

    And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks.

    Their conclusion: “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all” and that wearing a mask during surgery “is a standard procedure that could be abandoned.”

    I was so amazed that I scoured the medical literature, sure that this was a fluke and that newer studies must show the utility of masks in preventing the spread of disease.

    But to my surprise the medical literature for the past forty-five years has been consistent: masks are useless in preventing the spread of disease and, if anything, are unsanitary objects that themselves spread bacteria and viruses.

    https://12160.info/m/blogpost?id=2649739%3ABlogPost%3A2035264

  27. Mark M says:

    Facemasks, Lies, Damn Lies, And Public Health Officials: “A Growing Body of Evidence”

    “A vile new mantra is on the lips of every public health official and politician in the global campaign to force universal masking on the general public: “there is a growing body of evidence”.
    This propagandistic phrase is a vector designed to achieve five main goals:

    . Give the false impression that a balance of evidence now proves that masks reduce the transmission of COVID-19
    . Falsely assimilate commentary made in scientific venues with “evidence”
    . Hide the fact that a decade’s worth of policy-grade evidence proves the opposite: that masks are ineffective with viral respiratory diseases
    . Hide the fact that there is now direct observational proof that cloth masks do not prevent exhalation of clouds of suspended aerosol particles; above, below and through the masks
    . Deter attention away from the considerable known harms and risks due to face masks, applied to entire populations

    The said harms and risks include that a cloth mask becomes a culture medium for a large variety of bacterial pathogens, and a collector of viral pathogens; given the hot and humid environment and the constant source, where home fabrics are hydrophilic whereas medical masks are hydrophobic.

    I prove that there is no policy-grade evidence to support forced masking on the general population, and that all the latest-decade’s policy-grade evidence points to the opposite: NOT recommending forced masking of the general population.
    Therefore, the politicians and health authorities are acting without legitimacy and recklessly.”

    Links at link:
    Denis G. Rancourt, PhD
    researchgate.net
    Mon, 03 Aug 2020

    https://www.sott.net/article/439705-Facemasks-Lies-Damn-Lies-And-Public-Health-Officials-A-Growing-Body-of-Evidence

  28. Mark M says:

    The CDC study from last May agrees with the conclusion – masks don’t work …

    masks: Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

    The CDC study from last May agrees with your conclusion – masks don’t work.

    “Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36).
    There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure.
    Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

  29. OldOzzie says:

    From the Wentworth Report referenced in the Thread

    In the United States, the National Institutes of Health approved off-label use of ivermectin on 24th January. Consequently or coincidentally, the US death rate from the virus started falling soon afterward. The FDA continues its campaign against the drug though. And against any other cheap and benign drug displaying efficacy against their virus.

    This paper found that the over-the-counter drug “N-acetylcysteine (NAC) is inexpensive, has very low toxicity, has been FDA approved for many years, and has the potential to improve therapeutic strategies for COVID-19.” And “NAC administration in combination with other antiviral agents may dramatically reduce hospital admission rate, mechanical ventilation and mortality.” The paper put forward a therapeutic strategy for using NAC against the virus:

    According to their work, NAC shows no benefit after multiple organ failure.

    So what did the FDA do? The FDA promptly banned NAC. The moral bankruptcy in the US health bureaucracy is breathtaking.

    There are plenty of risk factors for the Wuhan virus. The big one is obesity. And it starts from a low level. This paper has this summary:

    At a BMI of more than 23 kg/m2, we found a linear increase in risk of severe COVID-19 leading to admission to hospital and death, and a linear increase in admission to an ICU across the whole BMI range, which is not attributable to excess risks of related diseases. The relative risk due to increasing BMI is particularly notable people younger than 40 years and of Black ethnicity.

    In short, the excess risk was extremely high even for people who weren’t morbidly obese — defined as a body-mass index of 40 or more. A person between 40 and 60 with a BMI of 35 — someone who is 230 pounds and 5’8” — had about five times the risk of dying of Covid of a person of normal weight. For younger adults, the excess risk was even higher.

    Interesting I have been taking Quercetin, Zinc, NAC, Vitamin D ( as well as at least 1 hr day in sun if out), Fish Oil, Multi Vitamins etc for over 2 years – no problems

    Our Health Bureaucrats have a lot to answer for.

  30. Boambee John says:

    Bruce of N

    A similar pattern has emerged in the United States where the Federal Reserve has found that surging used-car prices are having a direct effect on the country’s inflation rate, where a 7.3 per cent month-over-month jump in used-vehicle prices in May accounted for one-third of the total increase in core inflation.

    Wait until only EVs are the only vehicles on offer new. Then the price of secondhand ICE vehicles will soar again. Cuba and NZ before import restrictions were lifted, here we come.

    Until our leaders (sorry, lords and masters/mses) ban all liquid fuels. Then HOP time (NADT).

  31. Mango Man says:

    Kates says specialists in the management of virus are clowns, asserts that FDA is campaigning against an effective treatment and cites “data” from a blog as his evidence. Nowhere does he explain why any of these professionals would lie or deliberately avoid the cure for a pandemic.
    The Kates problem is his own bizarre delusions and belief that every single word uttered by Trump is undeniably true.
    I suggest he goes to Jakarta or Delhi and proves his theories.

  32. Indolent says:

    >> AAPS are correct: There is no link to any mask science in pdf (because it doesn’t exist).

    In fact, there is
    Proof That Face Masks Do More Harm than Good
    This has been tested and known over decades.

  33. duncanm says:

    Here’s my anecdata.

    When I wear a mask, I almost invariably transfer any head cold I’ve got into my lungs.

  34. mem says:

    Just read this article https://www.businessinsider.com.au/vaccinated-among-delta-deaths-but-older-relatively-few-uk-data-2021-6?r=US&IR=T which at least attempts to present figures on Covid 19 deaths in relatively unbiased fashion. Worth reading.

  35. Rex Anger says:

    Nowhere does he explain why any of these professionals would lie or deliberately avoid the cure for a pandemic.

    Because it is in plain sight, Mongoloid Man.

    The Kates problem is his own bizarre delusions and belief that every single word uttered by Trump is undeniably true.

    Especially when you think exactly the same way as said ‘experts…’

  36. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Mango Man – The CDC in the United States is totally politicized. The FEC data shows that CDC employees donated to the Democrats 1,600 times more often than to the Republicans.

    It is therefore worthwhile to check how expert the “experts” are. We know for example that the AMA is highly politicized too. They’ve been in the forefront of leftwing activism for a while now.

    We also know that the Green-Left is trying to combine the Covid reponses with climate change actions, since reduction in people’s use of cars for example can be achieved using lockdowns. Many activists have been advocating that lockdowns be used for climate action.

    Now I know in great detail that the climate activism pushed by the Green-Left is based on lies, since there has been nothing unnatural going on. Consequently it is highly suspicious to me that the same cohort of people are pushing covid policies that are very inconvenient to the public. Masks for example, as discussed above, are useless – something that Fauci himself stated in private last year…before going on to publicly tell people to wear the stupid things.

    Should the Green-Left, like yourself, want people to take notice of their warnings I suggest they don’t keep on doing Chicken Little impersonations. Instead be open and honest, and trust the public with the data. Unfortunately the problem with that is the data shows there isn’t much of an emergency in either case.

    But I’m only a scientist, what do I know?

  37. Lee says:

    Kates says specialists in the management of virus are clowns, asserts that FDA is campaigning against an effective treatment and cites “data” from a blog as his evidence. Nowhere does he explain why any of these professionals would lie or deliberately avoid the cure for a pandemic.

    Mr. Appeal to Authority strikes again.

    The Kates problem is his own bizarre delusions and belief that every single word uttered by Trump is undeniably true.

    You have an unhealthy obsession with Trump.
    I would be far more worried about an imbecile like Biden.

  38. Lee says:

    Nowhere does he explain why any of these professionals would lie or deliberately avoid the cure for a pandemic.

    Big Pharma and vested interests would never lie.
    No, never!

  39. Mango Man says:

    Lee: so all of Australia’s specialist research centres are Big Pharma?
    You mouth slogans, just like Kates and some above. It’s narcissism heaven around here.

  40. PB says:

    “It’s narcissism heaven around here.”

    And yet here you are.

  41. Rex Anger says:

    just like Kates and some above

    I think we’ve actually found EllenG’s newst sock!

    Hi EllenG? Still reckon the Biden 4 are guilty as sin?

  42. Lee says:

    Lee: so all of Australia’s specialist research centres are Big Pharma?

    And you don’t believe nearly everything associated with Covid isn’t politicised, even medical research?
    I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you!

    You mouth slogans, just like Kates and some above. It’s narcissism heaven around here.

    Projection from a self-proclaimed “expert.”
    If you said the night was dark, I would go outside to check.

  43. OldOzzie says:

    Opinion: The problem with AstraZeneca is not clotting, but effectiveness

    A lot of questions surround the role of AstraZeneca in Australia’s Covid-19 vaccine program. Brisbane epidemiologist Steve Kisely says he wouldn’t take it, and it’s got nothing to do with blood clots.

    Dr Steve Kisely

    There has been a lot of speculation about the role of AstraZeneca in the
    rollout of Australia’s vaccine program. Here’s why I, as an epidemiologist, wouldn’t take it.

    It’s not about the risk of clotting, which everyone agrees is very rare, it’s about effectiveness.

    From the start, the AstraZeneca vaccine has performed poorly when compared against the mRNA vaccines, such as Pfizer and Moderna. In later trials, when jabs were spaced out to 12 weeks apart, effectiveness clawed its way up to that of the other two vaccines, but that was against the Covid “classic” strain.

    The trouble is that’s not what we’re dealing with now, we’re dealing with the Alpha and Delta variants. And when it comes to these variants, data from both Public Health England and Scotland show that AstraZeneca is between 20 and 30 per cent less effective than Pfizer in preventing infection.

    That’s why Australian health authorities never talk about infection, but the prevention of hospital admission or death where AstraZeneca does perform as well as the alternatives.

    One advantage for vaccination that is frequently mentioned is the future possibility of international travel and, here again, AstraZeneca falls short. For instance, the jab isn’t registered for use by the Food and Drugs Administration (FDA) in the US (another reason to pause for thought).

    Elsewhere, the European Union recognises only AstraZeneca vaccines produced in Europe or Britain, not in other countries, such as India or Australia. How will all this affect the ability to get any sort of travel insurance?

    Lastly, Australians over 60 have been left behind, unable to access the more effective vaccine, yet more vulnerable to infection and its long-term consequences.

    The government should prioritise anyone who has had an AstraZeneca shot for an mRNA booster such as Pfizer and Moderna when supplies permit (whenever that will be), especially as there is evidence that adding either jab enhances AstraZeneca’s effect.

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