Are you more likely to die from the “vaccine” or from Covid?

Before there was a vaccine, the question did not exist. Now that there are “vaccines”, the question has become a genuine one. Our governments and the media are conspiring to get everyone vaccinated but what the hurry is, no one has explained, since it is clear as daylight that even the vaccinated get the Covid in very large numbers. So let us look at this, which is recent: Those dying post-vaccine: Where are the autopsies? The author is executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, AAPS. She writes:

In this age of supposed scientific medicine and a pandemic, we are relying on death certificates for statistics on the cause of death, even though they are known to be extremely unreliable.

Thousands of healthy people are dying unexpectedly, but our public health agencies are assuring us that their deaths were not caused by the COVID jab. The toll of post-vaccine deaths has reached nearly 7,000, according to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). It’s the best system we’ve got, even though it misses 90% or more of the actual events.

But I have seen a report of just one autopsy. This patient had had one dose of the Pfizer shot and died four weeks later. Although there were no characteristic features of COVID-19, almost all tissues tested positive on PCR for SARS-CoV-2.

This is how her article ends.

If a person dies after a COVID jab, I would like to know whether there are spike proteins in the tissues and blood vessels, and whether there was an immunological reaction that was damaging those tissues. If a mother loses a baby, I would like to see a thorough examination of the placenta. Was the baby’s oxygen and nutrition cut off because of damaged blood vessels?

I find it shocking that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Joint Commission that accredits hospitals are not demanding autopsies or testing of vaccine samples. It is not possible to declare a product safe and effective without obtaining direct evidence from potential victims.

The manufacturers are protected against product liability, thanks to Congress. But where is the accountability of the government agencies charged with protecting us, or of the private entities coercing employees or students to take an experimental, potentially dangerous, or even lethal product?

Seriously frightening, and she is far from being the only one raising such questions.

And in light of the above, you might also find this of interest. Found at Dr. Fuellmich: There is No Corona Pandemic, It’s a Fraudulent ‘PCR Test Pandemic’. You will have to go to the link to view the interview, but there are many questions he raises that definitely need answers.

So this is where we are. We, firstly, have no means of certifying whether anyone actually has Covid, and then, secondly, we may eventually find that the vaccines we are taking do far more damage than any good they might conceivably have done.

DETAIL ON VACCINATIONS AND COVID SUSCEPTIBILITY: ‘Zero Covid’ Catastrophe: Participating Nations See New Records Across the Board.

Zero Covid, the idea that heavy-handed government edicts and population controls can permanently eliminate a coronavirus from a country, is now failing spectacularly everywhere it is being tried.

You might not read about it in western corporate press agencies, but Zero Covid nations are seeing explosions in Covid-19 cases across the board. The widely praised “success story” countries that followed the radical ideology that is Zero Covid have not only failed to contain a virus, but are now witnessing the uncontrolled spread of that virus in their population centers. The governments committed to this pseudoscientific, totalitarian adventure are scrambling for options, and responding by locking down their nations and further violating the rights of their citizens. The lid has flown off the Zero Covid pressure cooker, revealing the shortcomings of such a reckless ideological endeavor.

If you go to the link up first is Australia, although that might just be alphabetical. There are also these data, which have been sent to me, from Israel.

Taken from here which finishes with this:

The solution is the same as that found for HIV — a cocktail of antivirals, each contributing its own mode of action, possibly supported by vaccination. It will be like serving in the tropics and taking your antimalarial with you. The antivirals like ivermectin don’t need to recognize anything on the virus to work, as vaccines do. So the virus can’t mutate around them easily, especially when they are used in combination.

Why don’t out Chief Medical Officers know this?

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130 Responses to Are you more likely to die from the “vaccine” or from Covid?

  1. It’s Remarkable says:

    This is starting to get really scary….

  2. Fat Tony says:

    Our governments and the media are conspiring to get everyone vaccinated but what the hurry is, no one has explained,

    First, the COVID (if it even exists) has apparently mutated into something akin to a normal flu. Virtually nobody is dying from this terrible disease……

    Also, they want most of the population “vaccinated” before everyone realises that it is designed to kill them – the high number of early deaths has caught them by surprise.

    Look forward to extreme measures to forcibly give everyone the “jab”.
    Military, police whatever.
    Also, guns will be confiscated to make this a safer government operation.

  3. Gavin R Putland says:

    …it is clear as daylight that even the vaccinated get the Covid in very large numbers.

    Yeah, vaccines are less than 100% effective in preventing CoViD infection, so let’s not bother with them. The same goes for masks. And seat belts are less than 100% effective in preventing deaths and injuries in vehicular collisions, so let’s do away with those. That’ll make cars a bit cheaper. And prisons are less than 100% effective in deterring crime, so let’s get rid of those too. That’ll save the taxpayers heaps. And defence forces are less than 100% effective in deterring foreign aggression…

  4. Matt says:

    This is starting to get really scary….

    It certainly is.

  5. Maniac says:

    “The manufacturers are protected against product liability, thanks to Congress.”

    So are employers, from the sounds of things.

    If my workplace decided to foot my medical and/or funeral bills if or when they make the jab mandatory, then perhaps. Until then…

  6. Fat Tony says:

    Gavin R Putland says:
    July 22, 2021 at 10:53 pm
    …it is clear as daylight that even the vaccinated get the Covid in very large numbers.

    Yeah, vaccines are less than 100% effective in preventing CoViD infection, so let’s not bother with them.

    You are absolutely full of shit. Or are you so fucking stupid you can’t differentiate between “cases” and people actually dying from COVID??

    It’s not that the “vaccines are less than 100% effective”, it’s that the “vaccines” are killing lots more people than the mild case of flu (Delta) going round

  7. Gavin R Putland says:

    It’s not that the “vaccines are less than 100% effective”, it’s that the “vaccines” are killing lots more people than the mild case of flu (Delta) going round

    What is the evidence that the death rate among the vaccinated is significantly higher than background? If the evidence exists, how many days’ worth of background risk do you take by getting vaccinated, and how does that compare with the one-off risk of, say, taking a vacation?

    Ah, but we’re not allowed to make these comparisons, because that might not lead to the predetermined answer.

  8. Eddystone says:

    The risk of covid depends on age and health.

    The vaxx risk doesn’t.

    Big difference.

  9. mh says:

    Google-owned YouTube is once again flexing more power than world leaders by deleting 15 videos from Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro’s channel over claims of ‘COVID misinformation’.

    Videos that were removed included one that discussed the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID, as well as former health minister Eduardo Pazuello comparing coronavirus to AIDS.

    “Post-HIV pandemic, HIV continues to exist. There are still some who are contaminated, most are treated, and life goes on,” he stated

    .

  10. MatrixTransform says:

    And seat belts are less than 100% effective in preventing …

    your logical fallacies only work on other stupid people

    honestly, I have no idea why you bother tying a whole paragraph of gibber

  11. mh says:

    This is an interesting video on the covid vaccination technology.
    Remember, fools rush in.

    Dr Charles Hoffe

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIWb9GTbbE&t=1s

  12. Mark A says:

    Lame pics.

  13. Simon says:

    This is all about the mass collection of everyone’s DNA. Some evidence is that it’s going to China

  14. Mark A says:

    Apologies, wrong fred.

  15. roman says:

    Might be time we be asking our state and federal representatives where they stand on the covid response.
    Demanding a clear statement on whether they support the zero covid fantasy + lockdowns + mandatory masks + compelled treatments with potentially fatal pseudo vaccines, or not.
    You know, for the record.

  16. Enyaw says:

    roman , I think it is too late to stop the snowball , anyway most representatives dont know shit from clay .

  17. roman says:

    OK, no one needs to ask Frank from SA, he’s taken the initiative…

    “While people might still have a choice whether or not to get vaccinated, what they can do in the community will need to be controlled and restricted,” said Frank Pangallo, a Member of Parliament in the Upper House.”

    https://reclaimthenet.org/australia-pangolla-vaxpass/

  18. Mark M says:

    Swampy Joe, who legislates perverts to use women’s toilets gets fact checked by CNN no less …

    “You won’t get Covid (the Fauci flu) if you have had the vaccines.”

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn-town-hall-july/index.html

    Short memory, must have a …

    Five Texas Democrats who fled state in protest test positive for Covid

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/19/texas-legislators-test-positive-covid

    Yes, they are double jabbed.

  19. Dot says:

    Yeah, vaccines are less than 100% effective in preventing CoViD infection, so let’s not bother with them.

    I am not until we can get Sputnik or better.

    Pfeizer and AZ have about 60% efficacy, Sputnik has over 97% efficacy.

    It is also the safest vaccine.

    Herd immunity with Pfeizer and AZ is literally impossible.

  20. Leon L says:

    Pfeizer and AZ have about 60% efficacy, Sputnik has over 97% efficacy.

    Never confuse RRR with ARR.
    The absolute risk reduction (ARR) is what matters and for these “vaccines” the ARR is low.
    In the phase 3 trials, the ARR for the AZ was 1.3% and the Pfizer was 0.84%.
    You don’t want to do “The Science” on those numbers.

  21. Mark M says:

    This is a nightmare scenario (one of them, anyway) – and we have seen the evidence elsewhere, too – moderately symptomatic vaccinated people with EXTREMELY high viral loads, walking super spreaders.
    An anecdotal example of the phenomenon here …

    Aussie socialite spreads Delta Covid to sixty people in one weekend

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9805411/amp/Anthony-Hess-spreads-Delta-Covid-strain-sixty-people-single-weekend-Los-Angeles.html?__twitter_impression=true

    via Alex Berenson, @AlexBerenson

  22. stackja says:

    My GP advised the jab. I have had the jab.

  23. John Bayley says:

    Pfeizer and AZ have about 60% efficacy, Sputnik has over 97% efficacy.
    It is also the safest vaccine.

    Only in countries where it’s not being used.

    Sputnik is a virus vector vaxx, using very similar tech to AZ/J&J.
    It causes blood clotting just like the rest of these ‘vaccines’.

    There are plenty of reports from Russia confirming just that.

    The fact is, no coronavirus vaccine is safe, or even necessary. Yes, that includes the ‘traditional’ ones, like Novavax.

    The ‘traditional’ approach, plus mRNA etc, have all been tried and yet, in some 30 years of attempts, there has never been a successful CV vaxx. They have all failed; every single one.

    Why not just use Ivermectin etc, if you’re at risk?

    The rest of us can just ignore the hype; even the ‘original’ Covid was nothing to get too worried about, let alone the phony ‘Delta’.

    For the record, I now personally know of 11 friends living in the EU, who had Covid. Ranging in age from 7 to 69.

    Only 3 of them had any actual effects and only one ended up having to spend three days in bed (a 48-year old male). All survived.

    Wake up people. We do NOT need any ‘vaccines’ for the WuFlu.

  24. Bad Samaritan says:

    JR says:
    July 22, 2021 at 11:32 pm
    “You’ll be dead in 3 years”;
    https://odysee.com/@OffGridDesertFarmingwithPaulandAdrienne:9/SPIKE-PROTEN-SHORT-INTERVIEW:5. A good quick explanation.

    It’s a “My Bad” moment for me as up until now I’ve written on the Cat (several times) and said to others in person, that they’ll all be dead within about 2 years. If I’ve frightened anyone with this under estimate I’m truly sorry as it now appears you’ll get to 2024 in one piece.

    How could I have been so alarmist eh?

  25. duncanm says:

    I see we have some new nutters in this morning sprinkled about.

  26. flyingduk says:

    The risk of covid depends on age and health…..The vaxx risk doesn’t.

    yeah, it does, the younger you are, the better your immune system is (hence schoolkids dont get sick with COVID) and the more years of life you have to develop downstream effects. Then theres infertility (the spike proteins accumulate in endometrium and ovary). This is why ‘no one is safe until everyone is safe is BS – the oldies have most risk from the rona, the young ones have most risk from the vax.

  27. flyingduk says:

    “While people might still have a choice whether or not to get vaccinated, what they can do in the community will need to be controlled and restricted,” said Frank Pangallo, a Member of Parliament in the Upper House.”

    Yep, I live in SA and have written to Frank …. a sort of ‘when you take everything away from a man – then he has nothing to lose’ note.

  28. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Dot – Herd immunity is impossible for the same reason it is impossible for flu. The virus mutates too quickly.

    One of the real problems going on here is the dogmatization of selected health advice. It wouldn’t be so serious if the “experts” were correct, but on things like HCQ and masks they obviously are in error. Consequently the public can’t exercise choice and can’t easily tell when the “experts” are saying something valid or if it is pure rubbish. And so much of it has been pure rubbish.

    I think this stems from the fetishization of climate over two decades. There also the dogmatic “experts” have refused to allow any alternative views no matter how well supported by science. And those “experts” are likewise clearly wrong about their dogmatic position. Which has led to a large chunk of the population discounting everything they say, and also what the pollies say who take their “advice”.

    Well, they’ve dug their hole and now are sitting in it so deeply they can’t get out. Their only remaining option is to go full fascist, and we know where that leads.

    I just wish they’d have some humility and say they were wrong, then throw open the treatment options.

  29. OldOzzie says:

    Why not add to mast “Likely to Die from Covid after Vaccine”

    Report: 49 Fully Vaccinated in New Jersey Have Died of the Coronavirus

  30. Indolent says:

    Also, they want most of the population “vaccinated” before everyone realises that it is designed to kill them – the high number of early deaths has caught them by surprise.

    So you’re saying that our government officials are aware that they are committing mass murder? I have no doubt that is what they’re doing but I do wonder how they actually explain it to themselves.

  31. OldOzzie says:

    Bruce of Newcastle says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:13 am

    I just wish they’d have some humility and say they were wrong, then throw open the treatment options.

    I-MASS – Prevention & At Home Treatment – Mass Distribution Protocol for COVID-19

    can purchase from

    https://www.genericsaustralia.net/prescriptions/how-to-buy-stromectol-in-australia.html

  32. rickw says:

    The collective Government insanity that we are being subject to is exactly why there must be extreme limitations on Government and Police powers, by both theoretical and practical measures.

  33. Indolent says:

    Bruce of Newcastle says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:13 am

    Your second link doesn’t work.

  34. Rosie says:

    Good for you stackja.

    One of the few sane voices on this thread.

  35. OldOzzie says:

    Italian Populist Leader Salvini Claims Vaccine Not Necessary for Those Under 40

    The populist Italian senator stated that it was important that those over the age of 60 get the jab and those 40 to 59 could choose to have it, but under-40s were of less urgent concern for vaccination.

    He also commented on the idea of a vaccine passport, known as a “Green Pass”, saying it would be unfair to launch them now as it is taking Italy so long to vaccinate people, many would be disadvantaged, newspaper Il Giornale reports.

    “If we want the Green Pass for everyone, at the moment, it would take until the end of October, blowing up the [summer] season and the holidays. That would be devastating. And useless,” Salvini said.

    The League leader claimed that in some cases, such as attending concerts of stadiums with thousands of others, a Green Pass — which proves immunity, vaccination status, or a negative test result — may be needed but rejected the idea for taking trains or going to a restaurant.

  36. bollux says:

    If you ever doubted that something is up, write a letter to the editor in “The Australian’ [I’m ashamed to say I still subscribe, more to keep an eye on them] and mention Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine. Then you’ll realise your free speech has gone to the same place as Scotty’s courage.

  37. Arky says:

    I lived through the vaccine wars and all I got was this stupid tee shirt.

  38. Matt says:

    OMG, The Oz won’t publish my letter.
    MY LETTER
    Free speech

  39. Boambee John says:

    Matt says:
    July 23, 2021 at 9:43 am
    OMG, The Oz won’t publish my letter.
    MY LETTER
    Free speech

    Don’t worry Matty, dry your tears. The Doomlord will still allow you to comment here.

  40. Matt says:

    And if he doesn’t that’s OK – because it’s his platform and ultimately he gets to decide.
    Not unlike the Oz letters section.

  41. OldOzzie says:

    The 2020-21 Worldwide Corona Crisis: Destroying Civil Society, Engineered Economic Depression, Global Coup d’État and the “Great Reset”

    Global Research E-Book, Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG)

    This E-book consists of a Preface and Ten Chapters.

    First published on December 10, 2020. Last update: June 19, 2021

    We are dealing with an exceedingly complex process.

    In the course of the last 17-18 months starting in early January 2020, I have analyzed almost on a daily basis the timeline and evolution of the Covid crisis. From the very outset in January 2020, people were led to believe and accept the existence of a rapidly progressing and dangerous epidemic.

    I suggest you first read the Highlights (below), the Preface and Introduction before proceeding with chapters II through X.

    Alternatively you may wish to View the Global Research Video entitled: The 2021 Worldwide Corona Crisis (released in February 2021), which provides a 25 minutes summary.

    Each of the ten chapters provides factual information as well as analysis on the following topics:

    What Is Covid-19, what is SARS-CoV-2, how Is it identified, how is it estimated?

    The timeline and historical evolution of the Corona Crisis,

    The devastating economic and financial impacts,

    The enrichment of a social minority of billionaires,

    How the lockdown policies trigger unemployment and mass poverty Worldwide,

    The devastating impacts on mental health.

    The E-book also includes analysis of curative and preventive drugs as well as a review of Big Pharma’s Covid-19 “messenger” mRNA vaccine which is an “unapproved” and “experimental” drug affecting the human genome. (It is a dangerous drug. See Chapter VIII)

    Also analyzed are issues pertaining to the derogation of fundamental human rights, censorship of medical doctors, freedom of expression and the protest movement.

    The last chapter focusses on the unfolding global debt crisis, the destabilization of national governments, the threats to democracy including “global governance” and the World Economic Forum’s “Great Reset” proposal.

  42. bruce says:

    At $200 per test, which has been suggested as the cost, $17 million was spent
    to identify 124 cases in NSW yesterday. That’s $137,000 per case.
    WOW just WOW.

  43. Rosie says:

    I agree with Salvini

  44. Shy Ted says:

    So you’re saying that our government officials are aware that they are committing mass murder? I have no doubt that is what they’re doing but I do wonder how they actually explain it to themselves.
    Every gummint official covers for the crimes/indiscretions and similar of their predecessors rather than expose them and deal with them appropriately under the law. By their actions they are compromised and when you consider what they have at stake, salaries that they couldn’t command in the real world and lifestyles to go with it, they have everything to lose. So they just continue doing what they do. It’s Pandora’ Box if they don’t.

  45. Aaron says:

    Courier Mail.

    Kids next jab off the rank.

  46. OldOzzie says:

    CDC Quietly Deletes 6,000 COVID Vaccine Deaths From Its CDC Website Total in One Day — Caught by Internet Sleuths (VIDEO)

    On Wednesday the CDC posted on its own website that there were 12,313 reported deaths from the COVID Vaccine since December.

    This number would track with the VAERS website number.

    But then a strange thing happened. After the CDC posted this number they went back hours later and switched it to 6,079 reported deaths in the US from the COVID Vaccine.

    Infowars posted video of screengrabs from the CDC website on Wednesday.
    The CDC deleted 6,000 vaccine deaths from its website in 6 hours.
    What gives?

  47. Bushkid says:

    Enyaw says:
    July 23, 2021 at 3:15 am
    roman , I think it is too late to stop the snowball , anyway most representatives dont know shit from clay .

    Asking them the question might just wake them tip to some reality though. Even if it doesn’t, they are then on record as to where exactly they do stand. Might make life “interesting” for them in time.

  48. Bushkid says:

    tip = up!

    And the hamsters need a feed…

  49. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Indolent – I didn’t have any links in my 8:13am. If you mean Old Ozzie’s 2nd link you might try it again as I did just now and it worked (although I do use a VPN). There was a big DNS outage this morning, may’ve affected things.

  50. duncanm says:

    Found at Dr. Fuellmich: There is No Corona Pandemic, It’s a Fraudulent ‘PCR Test Pandemic’.

    Ok. this is nuttery.

    There is a clear excess mortality going on all around the world. What is causing it, if not Covid? Either way, it is a spike similar to a very bad flu season.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/latest

    1998/1999 and 1999/2000 seasons had about 95k excess deaths in the UK.
    2017/18 about 50k

    Years with ~45k excess winter deaths are not unusual.

    2020/21 is running at about 100,000 excess deaths.

  51. Slim Cognito says:

    Apparently pregnant women have the green light to access Pfizer. Why do I feel that this won’t end well.

  52. Daily llama says:

    Ah yes, just another nutter.
    Chossudosky denies 9/11, and the US state department says he’s in Russia’s pocket.
    That book cited above is part of the disinformation process.
    And State investigated during the Trump era, so we can’t blame the pinkos.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/russian-disinformation-global-research-website-1.5767208
    One wonders if ww3 will be the vaccinated vs the unjabbed- stranger things have happened!

  53. Vicki says:

    Stackja at 6.56am tells us that he has had the jab on his GP’s advice.

    I am amazed at how many people seem to regard GPS as infallible. And in the case of Covid advice, they are of course encouraged to believe this by the government.

    Of course, they are not. Many years ago I was told by my (then) GP that “he was very sorry to have to tell me” that I had bronciectasis. The way he said it will sadness in his face suggested I didn’t have long in this world!

    But rather than get my affairs in order, I researched the best pulmonary specialist around & secured an appointment with him. He looked at the scans & said “Mmmm. You do have mild bronciectasis….let’s give you a test of your lung capacity.” That was done & specialist was so impressed with my lung capacity that he inquired if I had been an athlete in my youth! He then explained the condition. Nothing hugely significant.

    My current GP is quite different. She knows that I like to do my own research ( I identified a parasite I acquired through eating fruit on farm (drone flies on fruit) before the lab did). And she listens. Haven’t seen her since the Wuhan flu emerged early 2020. But my husband has & she just smiled when he told her we would not have AZ but would wait.

    GPS are not gods. Some keep up with latest research, others don’t. Some are bloody brilliant, others are plodders. And btw not all of the ones with honours degrees are good doctors.

  54. Vicki says:

    Sorry – typo – “bronchiectasis”. Not my fault – keeps correcting back.

  55. Rosie says:

    So Vicki your doctor is good because no recommend jab and therefore Stackja’s is bad because recommended jab.

    Of course Stackja might just be over 80, living in aged care and very high risk from covid.

    The condescension though.

  56. Rob MW says:

    I am not until we can get Sputnik or better.

    Pfeizer and AZ have about 60% efficacy, Sputnik has over 97% efficacy.

    Dot – Novavax

    No, Novavax does not use mRNA.

    The mRNA vaccines, like Pfizer and Moderna, contain a piece of genetic code called RNA that the body creates an immune response for.

    Novavax uses a traditional vaccine approach of using purified pieces of the coronavirus to spur an immune response in the body.

    The body can then make antibodies to the spike proteins that cover the coronavirus.

  57. Vicki says:

    No Rosie. Our GP did not offer any advice re jabs when my husband consulted her for another matter.

    There was no condescension intended. I was just giving my personal opinion that GPS are not infallible, & may disagree with their colleagues.

    I didn’t think that proposition would be controversial.

  58. DDinAus says:

    I believe that a large number of medical and related workers choose not to know any connection between covid injections and sudden death. Hence there are no autopsies unless unavoidable and even then the pathology tests that would demonstrate the connection will not be done.
    In time they will be forced to know, or for some their conscience will open their mind and they will be appalled.

    It will be too late.

  59. Rosie says:

    Then why refer to stackja’s comment at all?

    I get the whole only those who dont get vaccinated are the smart independent thinkers.

    It’s been said here often enough.

  60. Rosie says:

    DDinAus.

    Thanks for that!

    Like I said, it’s a conspiracy and everyone is in it.

  61. Eddystone says:

    Slim Cognito says:
    July 23, 2021 at 11:36 am

    Apparently pregnant women have the green light to access Pfizer.

    I saw that article in the Oz.

    Here’s my pending comment.

    “the risk of severe outcomes from COVID-19 is significantly higher for pregnant women and their unborn baby.”

    That seems clear, although no supporting information is offered.

    But wait!

    HealthDirect(.gov.au) (Free Australian health advice you can count on!) says this: “Pregnant women do not appear to be more at risk of developing serious symptoms due to COVID-19 infection than the rest of the general population.”

    At this point they are just making it up as they go along, aren’t they?

  62. Vicki says:

    Rosie – why comment here on anything?

    We do so because most us like the opportunity to discuss issues. Can’t speak for others, but I have respect for all opinions & decisions expressed here.

    Everyone should have the right to make their own decisions without coercion. And similarly everyone should have the right to express their reservations & the reasons for them.

    My belief is that this issue is of such significance that understanding of the medical & immunology issues should extend beyond the advice of GPs. There is such a wealth of information at our fingertips in the digital age, although it does require time and a lot of thought to consider.

  63. Vicki says:

    Dont know if others have seen this – an Australian scientist Prof. Tong is claiming we should be using monoclonal therapy for Covid as a treatment.

  64. Kneel says:

    “Yeah, vaccines are less than 100% effective in preventing CoViD infection, so…”
    … treatments that are also less than 100% effective, but which present significantly less risk to the patient, are preferable.
    As in, Ivermectin as prophylaxis is circa 75% effective at prevention, and as a treatment prevents circa 75% of serious sickness and death. So using this would mean 1/16th as much serious illness and death.
    Ivermectin has been used at least 3.5 billion times, and the known risks are vanishingly small when used as directed (correct dose etc) – when used thus, it is safer than aspirin or paracetamol.
    As an added bonus, the use of this style of treatment means that many who are exposed to any variant would likely gain “innate immunity” (ie, T-cell, not antibody) to all variants, which apparently the veccines (sic) do not provide.

  65. Terry says:

    Vicki says:
    July 23, 2021 at 12:30 pm
    ‘I have respect for all opinions…’
    I don’t. Many are batshit crazy and deserve nothing but contempt and ridicule.
    However, the right to express one…yep! All (yes, ALL) opinions welcome. Don’t care if they’re right, wrong, indelicate, or even downright offensive…whatever.

  66. gavalanche says:

    its like the real aim is depopulation or something
    i wouldnt be surprised if there is a giant stone beacon declaring that the goal is to reduce the world’s population by 95%…..probably somewhere like georgia
    pretty soon everyone (who survives) will be christian again, first century christians!

  67. Kneel says:

    “Everyone should have the right to make their own decisions without coercion. And similarly everyone should have the right to express their reservations & the reasons for them.”

    Indeed. These are some of the most basic precepts that underpin science and “western” societies great improvements to lifespan and lifestyle.
    We NEED diversity of opinion in order to find the heterodox opinions that make “great leaps” possible – without heterodoxy, we are at the mercy of the loudest, with it we are instead in debt to the cleverest.
    This has been proven again and again, and we ignore it at our peril.
    The trick is to notice the difference between heterodoxy and quackery – not always easy, obvious or timely, alas.

  68. Boambee John says:

    Daily Saliva Spit

    One wonders if ww3 will be the vaccinated vs the unjabbed- stranger things have happened!

    More likely World War Z?

  69. Kneel says:

    “One wonders if ww3 will be the vaccinated vs the unjabbed…”

    More likely authoritarian vs libertarian, although these likely align to a large extent with the vaxed v unvaxed…

  70. Youngster says:

    Steve, you’re an economist – an expert in stats. Go and look at the stats. Look at the excess deaths in the US – tell me this thing is harmless. You can argue lots of things about this pandemic and the response to it, and I think Governments have done a lot of harm, but don’t stick your head in the sand and act like it’s not a big deal. Half a million dead Americans says it is. And the vaccine, for all the questions, undoubtedly works and is exponentially safer for most people than getting the virus. The adverse event data all makes sense when compared to the natural death rate – there’s nothing to see there.

  71. Alan says:

    Dear Youngster. YOU Go and look at the stats.
    The US CDC: SEE List of Topics > 4. Comorbidities and other conditions
    THE CDC ITSELF says quite explicitly:
    “For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death.”

  72. Chris M says:

    And the vaccine, for all the questions, undoubtedly works and is exponentially safer for most people than getting the virus.

    The stats indicate otherwise. Check the UK govt data 0.1% dead unvax 0.2% with vax. Check the country data – more covid after vaccination in dozens of countries. But everyone should be free to believe as they like and vaccinate or not. As has been said coercion is violence, you should not support coercion.

  73. egg_ says:

    Are you more likely to die from the “vaccine” or from Covid?

    Ask a midwit:

    Call 1800 [email protected] now!

  74. Indolent says:

    OldOzzie says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:59 am

    When I try the link to Generics Australia it comes up with no such site.

  75. Tom Atkinson says:

    There is a clear excess mortality going on all around the world. What is causing it, if not Covid?

    We know that the measures to “fight” the virus have caused a lot of deaths. A lot of those early deaths in the elderly may have been due to them being put on ventilators, for example.

    We don’t know just yet, how much of the excess is due to the “cure”. My belief is that the virus itself is about as bad as a bad flu with most of the deaths in the elderly being due to the “dry tinder” effect, with the remainder of the excess due to the “cure”.

  76. OldOzzie says:

    Indolent says:
    July 23, 2021 at 3:22 pm
    OldOzzie says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:59 am

    When I try the link to Generics Australia it comes up with no such site.

    Works for me on Chrome, Firefox and Safari.

    Try genericsaustralia.net and search Stromectol on search at top of page

    comes up with view detail, which when you click on comes up with

    https://www.genericsaustralia.net/prescriptions/how-to-buy-stromectol-in-australia.html

  77. Alan says:

    Bruce of Newcastle says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:13 am
    I agree.
    You say “Their only remaining option is to go full fascist …”
    I think they have already accounted for that possibility, and enacted the laws.
    Professor of Law, Murray Head (2019): [bottom of p.3]
    … the amended Defence Act expands the military’s powers, including to kill people, beyond situations where commanders claim it is necessary to protect a life. Lethal force can be used to protect ‘declared infrastructure’ or end ‘threats to … public health or public safety’.[16] In addition, military personnel have been further protected from legal liability by adding a new defence of acting in ‘good faith’.[17]

  78. GregJ says:

    Frankly, at this stage, it would be safer for the sensible non-vaxxed to stay well away from the zombies who followed the government line.

  79. Indolent says:

    This is really interesting. I tried the Generics Australia link several times and got a 404 response. I searched for it on two different search engines and nothing came up. Then I disconnected by VPN and up it came.

  80. bollux says:

    Perhaps more lives could have been saved in the early part if effective treatment had been even considered. No other disease has had the “go home and isolate if you have it and come back if you’re dying”. It was, is and has always been about getting the vaccine into as many stooges as possible. I consider my risk from covid so low I will wait and see. I cannot understand why young fit healthy people are desperate for the jab. No young have died from covid this year. Same can’t be said about the effects from the vaccine.

  81. OldOzzie says:

    Indolent says:
    July 23, 2021 at 3:52 pm
    This is really interesting. I tried the Generics Australia link several times and got a 404 response. I searched for it on two different search engines and nothing came up. Then I disconnected by VPN and up it came.

    That also happens to me occasionally, I also turn AVG Secure VPN off and site works

    In this case VPN was on accessing https://www.genericsaustralia.net/prescriptions/how-to-buy-stromectol-in-australia.html

    and it worked on all 3 browsers – I have AdBlock on Chrome & Firefox and no AdBlock on Safari.

    Use DuckDuckGo as Search Engine, but when sometimes unable to get satisfactory result, put same search into google.com.au and get better result

  82. Matt says:

    Alan – lots of people die with co-morbidities, because lots of people have co-morbidities. That increases their risk of death, but there is still something that causes their death. You wouldn’t be making this argument 2 years ago about a death certificate for someone who had influenza and died – so why now?

    Tom – ‘dry tinder’ is an abhorrent way to think about the elderly. And if that argument held true, then we wouldn’t still be seeing excess all-cause mortality in many places.

  83. Chris M says:

    ‘dry tinder’ is an abhorrent way to think about the elderly.

    You are so kind and sweet with your words matt. Except when it comes to the thread about blacks being murdered or about people with covid using Ivermectin; then mockery and scorn mode has its uses.

  84. Alan says:

    Matt, I agree with you.
    2019: The Bureau of Stats says Influenza alone [J09-J11] killed 1080 Australians, while Pneumonia [J12-J18] killed another 3044 Australians.
    Also in 2019, we were not forced to mask up, lock down and vaccinate.

  85. Matt says:

    So Alan if those deaths were influenza deaths, then why aren’t the current deaths COVID deaths? Why go to co-morbidities to try and explain away those deaths?

  86. ozman says:

    Gavin R Putland says:
    July 22, 2021 at 11:16 pm

    What is the evidence that the death rate among the vaccinated is significantly higher than background?

    McCullough on deaths from vaccine.
    https://leohohmann.com/2021/06/21/behind-the-vaccine-veil-doctor-cites-whistleblowers-inside-cdc-who-claim-injections-have-already-killed-50000-americans/
    https://richardsonpost.com/leo-hohmann/22699/bombshell-lawsuit-alleges-government-covering-up-tens-of-thousands-of-injection-related-deaths/

    “Why are there always bad sides to medication Just once I’d like to read, ‘may cause extreme beauty, kindness and weight loss and eliminates wrinkles.”–stolen quote.

  87. ozman says:

    gavalanche says:
    July 23, 2021 at 1:29 pm

    its like the real aim is depopulation or something

    Billionaires Try to Shrink World’s Population https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-WHB-1322

  88. ozman says:

    Youngster says:
    July 23, 2021 at 2:46 pm

    Steve, you’re an economist – an expert in stats. Go and look at the stats.

    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-the-flu-season-basically-disappeared-this-year
    Virologist David Bauer says that Pfizer is destroying immune system, 80% plus after the second shot, therefore more boosters are needed. Presumably this will make the stats 100% complete.
    https://banned.video/watch?id=60f89c07b4c876043c591c8a

  89. Chris M says:

    Why go to co-morbidities to try and explain away those deaths?

    Do you then accept by the same metric the TGA statistic of 355 deaths from the vaccine in AU? (Since gone higher). Can’t have it both ways.

  90. Faye says:

    Out of the Covid vaccinated population, some walk away happy whilst others are damaged or die. Why the big difference? Without permission from the people, the world’s population has become a huge medical test experiment. The daily cant of fear and guilt cowers the people to follow orders. Is it a possibility that some people are injected with saline solution (the happy ones) and the others injected with particular Covid vaccines (the unlucky ones)? After all, the bullies who are forcing this, don’t want too many damaged/dying of their vaccines first off. And so with more vaccinating to fight the upcoming strains, world populations will gradually shrink, fulfilling the megalomaniacs’ dreams. Does anyone know if when the vaccines arrive, a few are taken from each box to identify what is the content?

  91. Matt says:

    You do understand that VAERS and all-cause data are completely different?

  92. Rosie says:

    Sure Faye

    There’s another big conspiracy that involves randomly injecting some people with saline.

    Others get nano wrigglers.

  93. Alan says:

    Matt, I agree with the second half of the statement you made.
    That’s why a National Emergency was declared.

  94. David Brewer says:

    GregJ:

    Frankly, at this stage, it would be safer for the sensible non-vaxxed to stay well away from the zombies who followed the government line.

    Agree. I am double vaccinated but I wouldn’t have done it if I had known what I know now. These vaccines are risky, and it’s not just a few nutters or even just a few doctors who say so. See links above by JR and mh and cop these:

    Retired microbiologist with 300 published scientific articles, winner of 13 scientific prizes

    Former head of Pfizer research on allergic and respiratory disease

    Common thread: spike protein produced by cells of immunised persons damages capillary wall and causes blood clots. Problem is permanent in vaccinated people, so that the small number of deaths from blood clots so far may end up being just the tip of the iceberg.

    Also, consider relative risk, especially if you are young. Of 995 deaths attributed to Covid in Australia so far, only 5 persons were under 50. Yet two people in Australia have been reported dead in the last week from the vaccines. No one under 50 should be getting vaccinated until far more long-term safety data are in on these vaccines.

  95. David Brewer says:

    Also see warning from:
    Inventor of mRNA techology

  96. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Rosie says:
    July 23, 2021 at 11:57 am
    So Vicki your doctor is good because no recommend jab and therefore Stackja’s is bad because recommended jab.

    Of course Stackja might just be over 80, living in aged care and very high risk from covid.

    And that is the problem with the Government’s and the medical fraternity’s line on ‘rona – we’re all equally at risk when nothing could be further from the truth.

    It may be better for an elderly person in aged care with possible/probable health conditions to have the jab. But that is not the same thing as saying a healthy person would have the same risk associated with the China Pestilence. Nor is it the same as saying that an under 18 year old or a pregnant woman would be better off with the vaccine.

    Despite what the government may do to “encourage” vaccinations, there are many people who do not and will not have them. That, too, should be respected. But currently that is not happening. Instead, controls continue as the government attempts to cajole and bully the population until the citizenry bow down before it. That, to me, is the definition of a despotic government.

    As to doctors – there are good ones, bad ones and middling ones. Good ones are important for one’s good health but no-one is sacrosanct. My Dad always says: ‘Doctors, they bury their mistakes.’

  97. Rosie says:

    I don’t think you quite understand my comment BBS

    Take it as read that what I said was true about the person concerned
    and that in fact people in aged care have been prioritised as have people over 70, which is very much reflected in vaccination stats.

    As for bullying and cajoling under 40 still can’t access vaccines, as a general rule, unless they are prepared to take astrazeneca, at their own risk.

  98. Tom Atkinson says:

    Tom – ‘dry tinder’ is an abhorrent way to think about the elderly. And if that argument held true, then we wouldn’t still be seeing excess all-cause mortality in many places.

    Matt,

    According to Euromomo, there is no excess mortality in Europe and this has been the case for all of this year. Can you show me where in the world there was significant first wave excess mortality, and the excess has continued?

  99. ozman says:

    Rosie says:
    July 23, 2021 at 5:16 pm

    There’s another big conspiracy that involves randomly injecting some people with saline.

    Every experimental trial uses a placebo. For vaccines it is a saline solution. And this is an experiment. It is also a conspiracy against us, the people, by those who couldn’t care less about you or any one else who does not have the right credentials, and they have nothing to do with paper.

    However, Rosie, the experiment is not to see whether injections are safe, as trials done on ferrets killed them all.
    This experiment is:
    to test the gullibility of populations;
    to control the governments of countries (three Presidents who resisted are now dead);
    to test the integrity of members of the medical community (not all have the integrity and courage of Dr Peter McCullough);
    to see what dosages are needed to create helplessness via autoimmune disease (to justify “basic income” for all);
    to see whether people can be connected to the internet via smart dust (nanoparticle computer chips);
    to see how to control populations through lockdowns and wearing masks;
    to see how much people value freedom;
    to see how many will succumb to different types of propaganda;
    to see how truth can be suppressed;
    to evaluate the various types of incentives used to induce compliance;
    to assess whether government coercion or social coercion or incentives work best.

    Those are just some of the reasons for the experiment, there are many more, such as using it as a cover to oust Trump, to bring in the great reset, introduce the build-back-better economy, create further poverty, food shortages, etc. etc. etc. Indeed, You will own nothing and you will be happy about it.–Klaus Schwab, World Economic Forum, Davos Group.

    The resistance, so far, means that a significant percentage of the population is not gullible or compromised and susceptible to Stockholm Syndrome.

  100. Matt says:

    According to Euromomo, there is no excess mortality in Europe and this has been the case for all of this year.

    Not sure what you are looking at on Euromomo – all aged chart shows two spikes peaking week 14 in 2020 and week 3 2021 (and continuing to be above normal until week 8)
    https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
    France, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, England & Ukraine on those charts have all had seond waves outside normal (substantial increase).

    USA had a huge spike in April 2020, and remained above the upper bound threshold all year, but with an even bigger spike peaking Jan 2021.

  101. Boambee John says:

    BBS

    As to doctors – there are good ones, bad ones and middling ones. Good ones are important for one’s good health but no-one is sacrosanct. My Dad always says: ‘Doctors, they bury their mistakes.’

    Worked with a pilot once, who when asked why pilots are paid more than doctors, would quote that, and add “pilots are buried with theirs”.

  102. Rosie says:

    Ozman

    Really.

    Of course during the trial phase for the vaccine there were placebos.

    Faye was claiming that the current roll out in Australia is a Russian Roulette of people who are randomly been given saline injections.

    Another conspiracy theory put forward with zero evidence.

  103. TailgunneR says:

    Vaxx passport to “freedom”.
    You know it makes sense.
    If not, we’ll just vote our way out.
    No worries.
    See you in the yellow stars, comrades

  104. TailgunneR says:

    Thank fuck John Howard took our weapons.
    For safety.
    We can pitchfork the bastards? VikPol with AR-15s?
    Yeah, no problem.
    Wake up, idiots.
    We’re half way down the slide.
    But at least we still got fake money&internet access!
    I can’t wait to take this shitshow down.
    It’s nearly time.

  105. Tom Atkinson says:

    Not sure what you are looking at on Euromomo – all aged chart shows two spikes peaking week 14 in 2020 and week 3 2021 (and continuing to be above normal until week 8)

    The week 14 peak in 2020 was their first wave, taking out most of the dry tinder. It is a safe assumption that some dry tinder escaped that first wave.

    Note that I was referring to the excess mortality this year (2021), so, that week 14 peak was outside of what I was referring to. I said that, “for Europe, excess mortality has been normal for all of this year (2021)”.

    Sure, some countries missed the first wave in March/April 2020, but they got it later (in 2021 in some cases), but for Europe as a whole (the Euromomo countries), there was excess mortality in 2020 but there is none in 2021.

    You must remember that deaths due to lockdowns and diverted national health systems are also included in excess deaths but would not have occurred without the wrong-headed interventions by governments.

    Most of what appears as “second wave” excess mortality is probably deaths due to lockdowns plus remaining dry tinder.

    I’ll say it again: There have been no excess deaths for Europe (as a whole) this year. The apparently extra deaths are well within the envelope of normal variation.

    USA had a huge spike in April 2020, and remained above the upper bound threshold all year, but with an even bigger spike peaking Jan 2021.

    Please point me to this US data.

  106. Chris M says:

    and causes blood clots. Problem is permanent in vaccinated people

    There is some disagreement among doctors on the latter point David, apart from some areas the human body has amazing healing abilities given the right conditions. Top quality mostly plant based diet, daily exercise, plenty of sun and fresh air and prayers.

  107. Dot says:

    He’s baaaack…

    Look, Gunner:

    1. A wisdom: we are all Jehovah’s Witnesses now.
    2. A second wisdom: we are seeking the open air vaccination technique.

  108. Matt says:

    Tom – if the so-called dry tinder has been removed in the first wave, then there can’t be a second wave – that’s the theory that dry tinder proponent are pushing. So if there is a second wave, regardless of the year, then it has to be something other than people that were going to die anyway (which is essentially what you are saying). And there is excess mortality at the start of 2021 for Europe.

    USA here –
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

  109. Chris M says:

    Matt wake up – the second wave is due to the vaccinations suppressing the immune system (as per other clip posted). In dozens of countries over the world as vaccinations have gone up within weeks the covid infections start to shoot up. Less vaccinations, less covid.

  110. Indolent says:

    There is some disagreement among doctors on the latter point David, apart from some areas the human body has amazing healing abilities given the right conditions.

    How about capillaries? These seems to be most at risk from clotting caused by the spike protein manufactured by the cells.

  111. Leo G says:

    lots of people die with co-morbidities, because lots of people have co-morbidities.

    The words “morbidity” and “co-morbidity” are abbreviations for “cause of morbidity” and “additional cause of morbidity” and are necessarily associated with a condition.
    The context for such causes of morbidity and mortality in this case is SARS-CoV-2 infection.

  112. ozman says:

    Rosie says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:38 pm

    Ozman
    Really.
    Of course during the trial phase for the vaccine there were placebos.

    The trial phase is what is happening now. Just ask Greg Hunt, the Minister for Health. He made this public. Unless you haven’t been told.
    Anyhow, here is Dr Michael Yeadon, who was a vice president of Pfizer, and previously involved in the research department. Quote:
    “I am of the view that 3rd & subsequent vaccines may be used to initiate depopulation.”
    From what David Bauer says, depopulation has already been initiated. But who are Yeadon and Bauer, just a previous vice president and a virologist working for Pfizer. What would they know? There are commenters on this thread who obviously believe they know more than them.

  113. Matt says:

    If you’re trying to say to co-morbidity means two diseases that are associated with each other, then you are wrong.

  114. Chris M says:

    How about capillaries?

    Indeed, this seems to be where the problem is worst, the billions of extremely tiny capillaries. I’d look into things like Dr David DeRose / Compass health protocol for improving ‘blood fluidity’ and also autophagy – long fasts of 5 to 7 days are extremely beneficial.

  115. Leo G says:

    Matt says at 11:20 pm

    If you’re trying to say to co-morbidity means two diseases that are associated with each other, then you are wrong.

    The predominant cause of morbidity and mortality in a COVID-19 patient unable to suppress viral replication might be primary viral pneumonia, the cause of death might be septic shock and multi-organ failure, and existing conditions, cardiovascular disease and diabetes, might be aggravating conditions which contributed to the outcome.

  116. Alan says:

    Matt, I don’t know why you keep trying to argue.
    I said I agree with you. Is there somthing wrong with you?

  117. Peter S says:

    Cutting to the chase and ignoring all the embedded bias and blatant propaganda it is a simple question to answer, using elementary data.

    Based on Australian data the probability of dying from an Astrazenica jab is 0.00008%.

    Based on NSW data the probability of dying from Delta-COVID is 0.3%.

    Seems a simple decision to me. That is also why I regularly take a Flu jab, where the risk profile is rather similar. I don’t want the inconvenience of flu, nor do I want the inconvenience of COVID. But managing the risk should be my choice, not that of a megalomanic politician or their health advisor bureaucrat.

  118. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Rosie says:
    July 23, 2021 at 7:22 pm
    I don’t think you quite understand my comment BBS

    Take it as read that what I said was true about the person concerned
    and that in fact people in aged care have been prioritised as have people over 70, which is very much reflected in vaccination stats

    Rosie,
    I accepted your summation of the individual and the prioritising of the over 70s. But the stats do not cover whether we are all equally at risk – it very much depends on the subject’s personal circumstances.

    As for bullying and cajoling under 40 still can’t access vaccines, as a general rule, unless they are prepared to take astrazeneca, at their own risk.

    While I referred to younger people (and pregnant women) I did so as a comparison to the elderly and the latter’s (greater?) need for a vaccine over the needs of the former.

    And as to cajoling and bullying – that comment was made in respect of the entire population – not the under 40s. I don’t know how else to describe comments, adverts and messaging from government(s) that outright assert that the only way out of this is to get vaccinated.

  119. Rosie says:

    Well I don’t see bullying and cajoling,

    I guess it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

    My sister is snarky that her oncologist even asked her if she’d been vaccinated.

    How dare she!

    I mildly suggested someone who had rejoiced that a patient she thought had poor prospects of surviving had pulled through might be saddened to see it all thrown away.

    Because reasons!

  120. Rosie says:

    The government might be terrified of being responsible for deaths, but at least they admit there will be deaths.

  121. Kneel says:

    “to control the governments of countries (three Presidents who resisted are now dead);”

    Nah, don’t need that.
    Pegasus.
    Look it up re: mobile phone hacks.
    50,000 numbers on a list recently “hacked” and released, including PMs, presidents and high ranking gov officials of many nations.
    The possibilities for blackmail are limitless with this.
    “Zero click” installation. Full control. Full access, including encrypted comms.
    Very, very little MSM mention of it.
    This is NOT tin-foil hat stuff, it’s REAL.

  122. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Rosie says:
    July 24, 2021 at 10:28 am
    The government might be terrified of being responsible for deaths, but at least they admit there will be deaths

    In a large population there are many deaths every day and from all manner of reasons; as mortal beings we should all fully understand and accept that. Yet at the moment not all health conditions and illnesses are equal it would seem. Many people have missed medical appointments for otherwise treatable conditions and illnesses – the govt doesn’t seem too concerned (definitely not terrified) about their health and possible demise.

    Someone put up the other day that in a recent flu season (iirc 2017) there were many, many deaths, including over 30 in one day in South Australia. But the population was not pressured to have the flu vaccine.

    Nor did government lock people down, stop them from seeing their family and friends, stop them from earning a living or from sending their kids to school to protect them. Not we’re they told that the only way out of the flu season was to be vaccinated. There was no talk about vaccine passports/access documents for people to be able to avail themselves in a “free” society of normal products and services.

    Why are we constantly being told that “we’re not safe until we’re all safe”? That is patently untrue and deliberately applies pressure to people to get vaccinated and not primarily for their own health, which is actually the reason for having a vaccination, but to protect the health of others.

    Whatever you think any/all of that is, it describes a form of bullying.

  123. Tel says:

    Based on NSW data the probability of dying from Delta-COVID is 0.3%.

    62 dead in a population of 8 million is about 0.0008% chance of death.

  124. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Thank you, Tel.

  125. Bruce says:

    Once more, with “feeling”; PCR tests- what they REALLY mean.

    Start here:

    https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Polymerase-Chain-Reaction-Fact-Sheet

    “Over-sampling”?

    Tolerance “stacking”?

    ANY “amplification” process amplifies the “noise” along with the signal, as any competent electronics type will attest.

    Not only that, but the process of amplification generally introduces its own bit of “noise” and / or “distortion”. Hi-Fi enthusiasts have been familiar with this concept for decades. Clearly less so; “medical experts”. And absolutely and irrevocably; “Churnalists”.

    This latest outburst of enemy propaganda is ALL “Pseudo-science” SPECIFICALLY splattered about to bewilder a population already overwhelmed by endless bogus “facts” about every imaginable topic.

    It is all a gigantic Psychological Warfare assault.

  126. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Thanks, Bruce.

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