Peter Campion guest post. Journalists love official information

Modern journalism loves “official information,” so let’s look at some on Covid.

The Federal Health Minister1 confirmed Australia’s first Covid case on 25/01/2020. Australian residents holidaying in Wuhan fled the CCP lockdown and brought this “deadly disease” here 18 months ago.

The Prime Minister2 “closed” the international border from 20/03/2020, so Covid was flooding in unchecked for 55 days. That border “closure” remains – except to Kiwis, certain immigrants, returning Aussies, and the political, entertainment and sporting elite.

The Chief Medical Officer3 first mentioned “flattening the epidemic curve” in a letter to doctors on 09/03/2020. Five hundred days of “curve flattening” later we’re still waiting for any sort of curve and no hospital has been swamped.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics4 have shown that Covid hasn’t increased our monthly average death figures beyond the normal seasonal variation and that 2017 was a far worse flu season, so we’re still waiting for a “pandemic” 18 months later.

Queensland Health5 always claims Covid is “very deadly” but then discusses “asymptomatic cases,” which begs the question why does a “very deadly” disease go unnoticed by the infected? But nobody wants to talk about the unreliability of the tests Covid alarmism is built on.

The ABC6 reported a Queensland Health worker was “infectious in the community for ten days,” including travelling to Townsville. She tested positive7 for the “highly infectious Delta variant” and had 900 close contacts8 without infecting anyone9.

(Townsville Bulletin,print edition, 07 July 2021 – “Not out of the Covid-19 woods – LEIGHTON SMITH – TOP DOCTOR WARNS WE MUST STAY VIGILANT – ONE of Townsville’s top doctors has warned the region must remain vigilant as Covid remains a very real threat.The stark warning comes as the city records another day of no new Covid-19 cases, following the snap three-day lockdown caused by a 19-year-old infected with the highly contagious delta variant holidaying in region.)

So far official sources are really reporting that Covid is neither “very deadly” nor “highly infectious,” so let’s consider the “safe and effective” vaccines that politicians want to make mandatory for us all.

The Therapeutic Goods Administration10 has reported “335 reports of deaths in people who have recently been vaccinated and found that two were definitely linked to vaccination.” That’s the same number that died with Covid in that time period.

Was the same standard of proof applied to “died with Covid” and “died after vaccination?” Oddly, no official source seems willing to discuss that.

Federal Health11 at least reports the demographics of Covid deaths. Covid claims the elderly, same as most other flus since forever.  (Scroll down to “Covid-19 deaths by age group and sex.”)

Federal Parliament12 references sections 477 and 478 of the Biosecurity Act13 to involve the “Covid emergency” that justifies the vaccines.

The Therapeutic Goods Administration14 has used their guidelines 15 to give emergency use approval to some covid vaccines under their regulations16. Regulation 10L states, in part,

“For the purposes of subsection 22D(2) of the Act, the criteria are all of the following:

(a) an indication of the medicine is the treatment, prevention or diagnosis of a life threatening or seriously debilitating condition;

(b) either:

(i)  no therapeutic goods that are intended to treat, prevent or diagnose the condition are included in the Register (except in the part of the Register for goods known as provisionally registered goods);

(ii) ….”

The Register17 lists an existing therapeutic agent18 that happens to have the ability to cure Covid, and there is plenty of research that supports that fact19, 20, 21.

Therefore our government has approved potentially damaging vaccines under emergency provisions on the basis there is no treatment – and there is a treatment.

We’ve lost billions of dollars, months of our freedom, our social cohesion, and, in many cases, our sanity because politicians decided to suppress the Covid cures.

Whatever all this draconian political theatre is about, it’s not Covid.

When will those who are employed to tell us the full truth – all sides of it – wake up to the fact that we’ve been had?

We’re going to need a Covid Nuremberg. If you’re a politician, health bureaucrat or journalist please consider what it will learn about you.

  1. https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Scrutiny_of_Delegated_Legislation/Scrutiny_of_COVID-19_instruments

 

  1. https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2017C00303)

 

  1. https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccine-provisional-determinations

 

  1. https://www.tga.gov.au/publication/provisional-determination

 

  1. https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2021C00400

 

  1. https://www.tga.gov.au/australian-register-therapeutic-goods

 

  1. https://tga-search.clients.funnelback.com/s/search.html?collection=tga-artg&profile=record&meta_i=181338

 

  1. https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/06000/review_of_the_emerging_evidence_demonstrating_the.4.aspx

 

  1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

 

  1. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00430-5
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95 Responses to Peter Campion guest post. Journalists love official information

  1. duncanm says:

    Related..
    The Canadian persecution of doctor’s : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpViJcdJFkc

  2. Oppressed Ossie says:

    It’s all about control. Now the mental midgets that are our Political Masters can’t walk it back.
    Something is going to break soon. We aren’t a country full of Darrens and Karens yet.

  3. MatrixTransform says:

    nice work

  4. Muddy says:

    Does anyone remember the Y2K ‘bug?’ The one where machines were going to rise, Terminator-style, and slaughter humanity?

    My point in asking this is: Who ended up accepting responsibility, or having responsibility imposed upon them, for the gazillions that were spent making our computer-driven tech ‘safe’ from the Rise of the Machines? I did nothing to my home PC, and nothing happened. Not even a smart-arse ‘So you spent New Years alone again, huh?’ comment from it. Nothing.

    Responsibility is something we teach our kids, but that’s about where it stops. No individual or organisation will ever accept responsibility for this Covid Zombie Apocalypse – Neither will responsibility be imposed on them by the drugged and compliant herd.

  5. MatrixTransform says:

    listen … do you reckon there’ll be any jobs going?

    jailer?
    hangman?
    tumbrel driver?

    don’t care

    no experience but enthusiastic and willing to learn on the job or undertake vocation training courses

    …just sayin’

  6. MatrixTransform says:

    Does anyone remember the Y2K ‘bug?

    yep.

    got paid overtime to spend new years eve that year perched in the top of a particular city building. I could see right up Swanston St.

    my stupid arse job was baby-sitting a building automation system to make sure that during the the date rollover it didn’t …didn’t … um… phhht…didn’t something

    anyway … yah… it didn’t

    so crisis averted

    the company I worked for stooged some building owner outta proper $’s for that ridiculous wasted effort

    and yes, we are being at least that stupid again right now

  7. Dave in Marybrook says:

    Magnificent work Peter, congratulations.
    I’m burning just about 3/4 of everyone I know, at the moment. My gut instincts about the Wuhan Phantom Flu have been spot-on. The evidence is in, and can only be wilfully ignored by cowards, Quislings and petty-dictators.

  8. Old Moss says:

    And then there is Boris Johnson, out of ICU with presumably, inbuilt immunity which he followed up with his full quota of jabs when they became available, and he is now incarcerated in exile having apparently got a little close to his chancellor of the exchequer, who even though fully vaccinated has tested positive!

    The covid narrative is utterly broken and the vaccines unfit for purpose.

  9. Mullumhillbilly says:

    So on the topic of official pronouncements, does this mean ivermectin can now be legally prescribed for off-label uses?

    “… federal Health Minister Greg Hunt wrote to one of the doctors in Australia who prescribes ivermectin confirming that he was aware that some physicians are prescribing ivermectin off-label for Covid and that they were quite within their rights as the practice of prescribing registered medicines outside of their approved indications is not regulated or controlled by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), it is at the discretion of the prescribing physician.”
    https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/07/hunt-goes-off-script-with-ivermectin/

  10. John A says:

    Muddy says: July 22, 2021, at 10:39 pm

    Does anyone remember the Y2K ‘bug?’ The one where machines were going to rise, Terminator-style, and slaughter humanity?

    Nope – there wasn’t any such bug with any of that potential.
    You are conflating the probability that computers which depended on recognising correct dates failing to operate reliably when the millennium turned over to the year 2000, with the science-fiction concept of “Forbin: the Colossus Project” or what Isaac Asimov labelled the Frankenstein Syndrome.

    The shortcut used in storing dates with two-digit years was overcome in various ways, some of which included complete rewrites of code, resulting in better software.

    For the umpteenth time, stop using past fake hysteria to support your argument about current hysteria.

  11. Leo G says:

    Queensland Health always claims Covid is “very deadly” but then discusses “asymptomatic cases,” which begs the question why does a “very deadly” disease go unnoticed by the infected?

    The most likely explanation is that symptomatic cases are those where people who are not susceptible to infection at the level to which they were exposed nonetheless have sufficient degraded viral matter in their upper airways to give positive PCR test results.

    Covid-19 does not appear to be deadly to most of the population.

    Look at the total detected case data in countries that have had successive major waves of the epidemic, apparently with variants that are progressively more infectious- countries like the USA, France, and the UK. There appears to be a limit to the reach of the virus that is the same proportion in each population and in each age group, an asymptote at a percentage of less than 15%.

    My view is that in this respect Covid-19 behaves the same as common cold coronavirus outbreaks. Most of the population is not susceptible to infection. Those who are susceptible are infected initially via the multiciliated cells that line the airways and which transport mucus secreted by associated cells. Once infected the ciliated cells can release vesicles containing a great number of virions, which are then transported upward via mucosal transport to be expelled or swallowed.

    Initially the infected person may not be aware of any symptoms, even while infecting others.

  12. MatrixTransform says:

    some of which included complete rewrites of code, resulting in better software.

    phht … sounds like a metaphor for an mRNA ‘vaccine’

  13. Leo G says:

    The most likely explanation is that symptomatic asymptomatic cases …

  14. Matt says:

    Queensland Health always claims Covid is “very deadly” but then discusses “asymptomatic cases,” which begs the question why does a “very deadly” disease go unnoticed by the infected?

    Ever heard of cancer? Heart disease? The list goes on – deadly diseases that can be asymptomatic.

  15. Figures says:

    Is anybody starting to question whether the astonishing gaslighting we are all experiencing now may just be the same gaslighting that parents of vaccine injured children have been experiencing for 30 years?

    The belief in contagious disease turns people insane.

    Because it is insane.

  16. stackja says:

    I and my 30 elderly acquaintances have had the jab. No after effects.

  17. PB says:

    “Ever heard of cancer? Heart disease? The list goes on – deadly diseases that can be asymptomatic.”

    If someone here compared COVID to cancer you’d be in like a shot to say how they are different diseases and not comparable.

  18. struth says:

    Matt clutching at straws as the whole socialist powergrab becomes self evident.
    The vaccines weren’t introduced to stop covid. Covid was introduced to bring in digital passports. Communist control via new technology.
    It gives people like Klaus little stiffies.

  19. Cardimona says:

    I and my 30 elderly acquaintances have had the jab. No after effects.

    How fortunate, stackja – I have a well-known ‘lation who was flattened for several days.

  20. VCT Et3e says:

    Media, be it corporate, state, independent, social love official denials even more.
    Don’t believe anything till officially denied …

  21. Mak Siccar says:

    An extract from

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/07/covidanity-australias-new-state-religion/

    Australia is now firmly in the grip of Covidanity. We must remember that rational argument and facts simply have no effect on the faithful. Just as Christians have faith in the birth of Jesus Christ to the Virgin Mary and his death and resurrection, the Covid faithful have blind faith in lockdowns, cloth face masks and mass PCR testing of healthy people. There is little hope in turning them away from this path with logical arguments or by presenting facts and figures. Just try showing a Covid faithful the graph of Swedish excess mortality or the results of the Danish mask study. They will stare at you like some kind of madman.

    We must also remember that many do not want to lose their new Covid religion. They want lockdowns and restrictions to last as long as possible, prolonging their newfound religious purpose and community.

  22. Tel says:

    ONE of Townsville’s top doctors has warned the region must remain vigilant as Covid remains a very real threat.

    Experts are concerned!

    Thar right, concerned!!

  23. Bad Samaritan says:

    Matt says:
    July 23, 2021 at 5:36 am

    “Ever heard of cancer? Heart disease? The list goes on – deadly diseases that can be asymptomatic.”

    Worst trolling ever since those with undiagnosed cancer, heart conditions etc will soon enough have symptoms which will almost certainly be followed by death due to those conditions, if something else does not intervene first. Meanwhile….

    The asymptomatic covid19 folk will 99,99% either be totally clear of it, or perhaps have sniffles only, within a week. And totally unaffected

    Only a total F’wit could be this poor a troll: comparing certain death to a sneeze.

    BTW: Is it Sinc or Steve who does all this low-grade trolling. Asking for a friend.

  24. Lutz says:

    The Australian still deletes any comments about a treatment not to mention Ivermectin or hcq.

  25. Bad Samaritan says:

    Mak Siccar (7.39am) All too glib. All too pat.

    Sure, it could be a cultish new religion for those who’ve been seeking that extra something in their “meaningless” lives, but this does not explain why so many committed Christians etc etc are going for it too. Also the leftist foot-soldiers (not the Danistani leadership for example) who have the True Socialist Heaven in sight who really believe they are gunna die.

    More thought needed!

  26. Ros says:

    Catallaxy has become a very different place, another outcome of Covid?

  27. Matt says:

    And a complete misunderstanding of asymptomatic COVID BS.
    The majority of cases become symptomatic – really what they are talking about is people that are pre-symptomatic and infectious.

  28. Entropy says:

    I would still like to have a definitive cause of death for that removalists’ mother.

    Asymptomativ, then suddenly dead with a long police investigation.

  29. Baba says:

    Mullumhillbilly says:
    July 22, 2021 at 11:27 pm

    Thank you, Mullum. Might come in handy.

  30. Mother Lode says:

    If someone here compared COVID to cancer you’d be in like a shot to say how they are different diseases and not comparable.

    It is very unsettling to read about people dying from cancer they never knew they had. Or bleeding out from a slashed femoral artery. Or internal bleeding after being hit by a semi-trailer.

  31. Baba says:

    Entropy says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:22 am
    I would still like to have a definitive cause of death for that removalists’ mother.

    The coroner’s report will be kept confidential out of respect for family privacy.

  32. Mother Lode says:

    To whom did Peter send this? Was it an open letter? I should like to see it printed bit and publicly if for no other reason that letting people see all at once what they have been told (and what has been done on that basis) all in one place.

    It might surprise them to realise they have had all this info in their head already, hidden in plain sight, but had never thought to put it together.

  33. Mother Lode says:

    printed big

  34. min says:

    Restrictions in the retirement apartment , even though all except some too young staff would be vaccinated , are as strict as first lockdowns when no one was vaccinated .
    Not allowed in public areas except leaving for exercise or grocery shopping but even with the shopping they have asked us to shop online. However mail or coffee will be delivered to apartment .
    Only council cleaners are allowed in and we are asked to leave apartment when they are there . No visitors unless a carer but they have no way to know if these people have been vaccinated . Oh just as well I haven’t been to the footy or the market or I’d be out getting tested even though I am fully vaccinated just as doctor son was when he sat in a certain area at the footy .
    Day out today exercise and a blood test , no not Covid. so at least I’ll see and talk to people face to face. I still contend that Dan will keep us locked down until nil positive in community . Four today.

  35. Cardimona says:

    Matt says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:18 am
    And a complete misunderstanding of asymptomatic COVID BS.
    The majority of cases become symptomatic – really what they are talking about is people that are pre-symptomatic and infectious.

    Matt’s perfect wrongology never fails zer.
    From link five

    Roger, 78, was diagnosed with COVID-19 after returning from a family ski trip to Austria in March. He and his wife decided to get tested when they came home, and initially, both came back negative for COVID.
    “We had only been there for a couple of days before everything really fell apart,” says Roger. “We arrived back in Brisbane two hours before the deadline for compulsory virus testing, but we decided we’d go anyway. We both tested as negative. About 10 days after that we found out that one of the girls that was in our group in Austria had got sick and got tested and been infected. So naturally, we had to go get tested again. This time, I tested positive, but my wife and daughter were negative.”
    Roger didn’t have any symptoms of COVID-19, so he was allowed to isolate at home with his wife, Ria, while they waited to see how the virus could affect him.

    While Roger continued to not have any symptoms of COVID-19, waiting to see if he would get sick took an emotional toll on him and his family.

    The family knew that it wasn’t until the second week of a COVID-19 infection that some patients became seriously ill, and they waited anxiously to see if Roger would fare the same.

    But, after two weeks isolation had passed without any change in his health, Roger was given the all-clear and no longer considered infectious with the disease. The news was a huge relief to Roger and his family.

    Even though Roger is officially free of COVID-19, the couple are still taking precautions to stop the spread of the virus, having firsthand experience with how stressful even an asymptomatic case can be.
    “When people say it’s not a big deal, or even friends say that I didn’t really have it, we can’t understand it. We can’t understand how they could take for granted that this wouldn’t happen to them, and that it could be worse,” says Roger. “And I’m the proof that you could be asymptomatic, that you could not know you have it and spread it around to everyone you see. Surely that’s enough reason to be careful.”

    Delusionary

  36. Matt says:

    You might have missed the part where I said ‘the majority of cases become symptomatic’ – not all of them. Of course some people may remain asymptomatic throughout the course of the disease – which as I also noted can happen with other diseases too. The fact is that some people may contract COVID and remain asymptomatic, or be asymptomatic at testing and then subsequently become symptomatic.

  37. Struth says:

    The fact is that some people may contract COVID and remain asymptomatic,

    Good lord…and then it continues typing.

  38. Cardimona says:

    Matt, you mean asymptomatic like the 900 close contacts of the “highly contagious” Delta-death-infected teenage casual covid-ward clerk that QH set loose on North Queensland?

  39. Rosie says:

    How does that one example prove Matt one hundred percent wrong Cardi?

  40. Cardimona says:

    To whom did Peter send this?

    Papers – The Australian, Herald Sun, Daily Telegraph, Courier Mail, Cairns Post, Townsville Bulletin, Gold Coast Bulletin, NT News, The Express (Mareeba), The Weekly Times (somewhere in Sydnygrad)

    Polliemuppets – (Qld) Knuthy, Anaesthesia Parasite – (Fed) BobKat, ScoMoron

    Journos – Chris Calcino, Peter Martinelli, Tony Raggatt, James Morrow

    Talking heads – Jonesy (Hi, Alan!)

    Was it an open letter?

    Not so named, but hell yes!

  41. Matt says:

    Contacts …

  42. Cardimona says:

    How does that one example prove Matt one hundred percent wrong Cardi?

    There is no data on which Matt could base that claim, Rosie.
    Zie guesses, so zie is wrong.

  43. Rosie says:

    Currently 61 percent of Australians over the age of 50 have had at least one dose of the vaccine.

    Expecting massive increase in hospitisations and deaths in that cohort any day now.

  44. Rosie says:

    Soz cardi

    I linked you a study of asymptomatic cases.

  45. Cardimona says:

    Currently 61 percent of Australians over the age of 50 have had at least one dose of the vaccine.

    And there again we know the adverse effects data is highly unlikely to be either complete or accurately reported.

    Expecting massive increase in hospitisations and deaths in that cohort any day now.

    The acid test is time, Rosie.
    We just don’t know the longer term effects.
    Never forget thalidomide.

  46. Mullumhillbilly says:

    Baba says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:23 am
    Mullumhillbilly says:
    July 22, 2021 at 11:27 pm

    Thank you, Mullum. Might come in handy.

    Just found Jo Nova has a great post with many useful comments.

    https://joannenova.com.au/2021/07/indonesia-and-the-ivermectin-donation-the-goverment-wrecked/

  47. Rosie says:

    Cardi

    Thalidomide because an issue immediately.

    It just took medics ages to work out what was going on

  48. Struth says:

    Expecting massive increase in hospitisations and deaths in that cohort any day now.

    Do you expect honest reporting?

  49. Figures says:

    Thalidomide because an issue immediately.

    It just took medics ages to work out what was going on

    There are plenty of people with horror stories already notafan but you just think they’re all lying. Unlike Big Pharma, journalists or governments who would never be dishonest.

  50. Cynic of A says:

    It seems like JohnA either did not live through the hysteria of the Y2K bug, or, he made a lot of money from it.
    Example. My accounting software vendor wrote to me several times, telling me that my current version would “stop working.” Note, “stop working!” Not “be inaccurate.”
    The only solution was to replace it with their new model, which they had been trying to flog to me for months. The Y2K was the opportunity they sought!
    I said no.
    More letters of dire hardship, financial ruin, loss of data, because it would “stop working.”
    It kept on working. It merely thought that from July to December 1999, came after Jan to Jun 2000. It was a sorting problem, easily overcome with a bit of paper shuffling.
    I wrote them a shitty letter, explaining that they were attempting to extort me. (A long bow to be sure, but whatever.)
    They went away, as did the sorting problem after 6 months. I continued to use the program for several years after.
    So, JohnA, the problem isn’t the Wuhan Flu, or the Y2K. It’s the people exploiting the situations for profit or ego. And we are now in the situation of not knowing who is honest, and who is not.
    If Donald Trump proved anything, it is that literally thousands of people are prepared to lie, cheat and break laws, for an ideal, or group think.

  51. MatrixTransform says:

    in South Aust the precautionary principle is swinging toward the extreme.

    they are detaining and isolating people who are not sick or symptomatic and have not tested positive.

    this is what the eye-rolling above from Rosie and Matt is all about.
    moar detention, moar precaution

    perhaps it would be a good idea to apprehend and isolate the gibbering fear-monkeys as well.

    You know, if yr shitting yourself in fear and can’t stop yabbering about it, then yr isolation would actually create an even safer environment

    for you … because despite yr continual gibber about the greater good, it is really all about you.

    right?

    some people just talk
    doesn’t matter if it is non sequitur crap
    or false equivalence
    or about starting into the abyss
    pick a fallacy

    they just gibber on

  52. Terry says:

    Bad Samaritan says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:05 am
    ‘but this does not explain why so many committed Christians etc etc are going for it too’

    It’s a “Golden Calf” moment.

    Same reason the Socialist Pope worships the false god of “Climate Change” (no integrity – no character – a fraud).

  53. Terry says:

    MatrixTransform says:
    July 23, 2021 at 10:57 am
    ‘…the precautionary principle is swinging toward the extreme’

    The dullards that currently enslave the nation misunderstand and/or misapply the precautionary principle.
    Their version prescribes a bullet to the back of the head, to prevent someone from developing cancer. You cannot be too careful.

  54. Terry says:

    Matt says:
    July 23, 2021 at 9:26 am
    ‘the majority of cases become symptomatic’ – not all of them.

    Back to just making shit up again – how the fuck would you know.

  55. Rosie says:

    Oh dear.

    I don’t think lockdowns are a solution.

    Said since at early last year, isolate the vulnerable and get on with it. And have daily committed civil disobedience against government orders since.

    I’m neither responsible for the cowardice of government or the gibbering of faux intellectuals.

    Getting vaccinated is a personal decision about managing a health risk, not eliminating it.

    People like stackja and his friends who get vaccinated, aren’t responsible for the government’s decision to use vaccination status as a weapon to force compliance.

    If you don’t like it vote them out or do whatever else that goes with standing on principle.

  56. Matt says:

    How do you know Terry? Read it on a blog somewhere? Maybe someone on Youtube?

  57. Bushkid says:

    Rosie says:
    July 23, 2021 at 9:42 am
    around 17 percent remain true asymptomatic, Australian study.

    Or perhaps just false positives…

    This is the not fit for purpose PCR test run at excessive replications to get a “result” we’re talking about, n’est pas?

  58. Rosie says:

    Of course.

    It’s a conspiracy and everyone is in it.

  59. mh says:

    Jesus, please lead Rosie out of her house, without her phone.

    Amen.

  60. Mother Lode says:

    I wonder how many asymptomatic cases are not cases where a person carries the virus but exhibits no symptoms but cases where uninfected people display no symptoms and the test is incorrectly assigning ‘positive’ results.

    There really ought not be so many people with Covid who do not have symptoms. You have to wonder if the suite of declared symptoms does not actually correspond to the virus.

  61. Aaron says:

    “Currently 61 percent of Australians over the age of 50 have had at least one dose of the vaccine.

    Expecting massive increase in hospitisations and deaths in that cohort any day now”.

    The 39 percent in NSW unjabbed also should fall like flies according to the experts.

  62. Rosie says:

    Facts/truth don’t much care about your opinion or my opinion

    Eventually Australia will experience covid in the same way as the rest of the world.

    Except we’ll have had the opportunity to get vaccinated before it lets loose.

    The lucky country.

    Btw Why do the anti vaxxers object so strenuously to contrary opinions?

  63. Rosie says:

    Thats possible ML.

    But that would mean there are even less than 17 percent truly asymptomatic cases.

  64. Mother Lode says:

    One day, in the future, some researcher will be poring over historical official documents trying to make sense of the Covid Catastrophe. They will painstakingly read each document, making notes, referring to previous ones looking for patterns, or connections, or inconsistencies – perhaps the moment when one small word was written with one meaning but read with a slightly different one, opening a tiny widening crack which would ultimately unleash madness.

    Long will be the nights and days, grinding the tedium, cut off from friends and colleagues – a lone wanderer in a dark, still world with only the sound of shuffling paper.

    And then it will hit. Right in front of them from the very beginning. A word burning like fire on every faded dusty page.

    ‘Medical expert’.

    These people whose softest word carried the full weight of government minions and apparatus. Who commanded entire regions to be excised, people to be locked down or locked up. Who gathered all the freedoms of the people unto themselves and then offered to return some of them piecemeal on condition of complete submission and gratitude.

    Medical expert.

    There is supposed to be an apostrophe. It is an abbreviation. It is not exper’t.

    These people ruling all were ‘Medical experiments‘!

  65. Terry says:

    Matt says:
    July 23, 2021 at 11:31 am
    ‘How do you know Terry?’

    ‘You might have missed the part where I…’didn’t make a bullshit, unsubstantiated claim.

    The (rhetorical) question, for the benefit of the perpetually dim, was “how the fuck would you know.”

    You don’t (yet claim to), which leads us back to… [you are] “just making shit up again”.

  66. Bad Samaritan says:

    mh (11.42am): just had Jesus on the blower…..

    “Forgive her for she knows not what she does” was all He said.

    Two things to note: A) forgiveness is a virtue, and B) no capitals for Rosie pronouns. That must hurt!

  67. John A says:

    Cynic of A says: July 23, 2021, at 10:52 am

    It seems like JohnA either did not live through the hysteria of the Y2K bug, or, he made a lot of money from it.
    Example. My accounting software vendor wrote to me several times, telling me that my current version would “stop working.” Note, “stop working!” Not “be inaccurate.”
    The only solution was to replace it with their new model, which they had been trying to flog to me for months. The Y2K was the opportunity they sought!
    I said no.

    Yes, I lived through it. I was selling an accounting package that had a fix for the dates.

    We NEVER told our clients that it would stop working, only that date problems would arise.

  68. Matt says:

    https://jammi.utpjournals.press/doi/10.3138/jammi-2020-0030

    The combined estimate of the asymptomatic proportion was 17% (95% CI 14% to 20%)

  69. Terry says:

    Rosie[coloured glasses] says:
    July 23, 2021 at 12:03 pm
    ‘Why do the anti vaxxers object so strenuously to contrary opinions?’

    “Anti-vaxxers” as you have used it (i.e. as a pejorative to mischaracterise and malign) do not, in the main, seem to object (strenuously or otherwise) to contrary opinions – that is merely a projection.

    You want to toxic cocktail then get the toxic cocktail – I don’t care (harsh perhaps, but I really don’t).

    The objection is to the coercion and compulsion being weaponised by the state, with the enthusiastic support of a disturbingly obsequious herd of cowards that are demanding all others adopt their “choice” to have untrialled toxic cocktails shoved into them by overzealous wannabe tyrants, all to assuage the cognitive dissonance related to the pretense that the “vaccines” are in fact “vaccines”, that they actually work (as advertised), and that they are “safe”.

  70. Bad Samaritan says:

    Let’s have a dedicated Y2K thread called; “Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds”….Meanwhile…..

    What’s this latest cognitive failure from the resident trolls whereby Covid or Covid19 can be asymptomatic? The d in Covid /Covid19 is for disease. With all viral diseases, no symptoms = no disease.

    If you have the zoster virus in your system, you do not have shingles until (if) symptoms appear. If you have HIV in your system you do not have AIDS until symptoms appear. And so on…..

    All these experts (Matt and fellow socks) really don’t know that the virus is SARS-CoV2, and that no symptoms caused by it does not = asymptomatic Covid? FFS!

  71. MatrixTransform says:

    The combined estimate of the asymptomatic

    ch..ch..ch..ch..chch..chch…..Cherry Bomb!

  72. Matt says:

    So all diseases have to be symptomatic BS? Without symptoms, there is never disease?

  73. Terry says:

    Bad Samaritan says:
    July 23, 2021 at 1:06 pm

    Nailed it.

  74. Bad Samaritan says:

    Matt. Viral diseases. And then you are correct.

    Counter-example?

  75. Cardimona says:

    How do you know Terry? Read it on a blog somewhere? Maybe someone on Youtube?

    Oh, God…

    Everything ever written is now on a “blog*” and everything every filmed is now on “youtube*.”
    To deride a source because it can be seen on the internet is to deride all human knowledge*.

    * or equivalent

  76. Matt says:

    Hep B, Hep C, HIV, influenza for starters.
    Are you suggesting that every episode of viral infection always results in symptoms?
    That someone can’t have the virus, be infectious but still asymptomatic?
    And that has somehow just been invented for COVID?

  77. Boambee John says:

    Matt

    Hep B, Hep C, HIV, influenza for starters.

    That someone can’t have the virus, be infectious but still asymptomatic?

    Are you calling for similar (at the least) restrictions on all carriers of Hep B, Hep C, HIV, influenza, to those currently being applied to populations where testing demonstrates a less that 1% chance of infection (look at numbers of COVID tests vs numbers of “cases”)?

  78. Rosie says:

    How many times does one have to say I believe in personal choice?

    I don’t believe anyone in Australia is going to be held down and vaccinated against their will.

    Sue me.

  79. Rosie says:

    Who’s calling for restrictions?

  80. Aaron says:

    Rosie says:
    July 23, 2021 at 12:00 pm
    “Not if they aren’t infected with covid.

    verify cdc fda data doesn’t support thousands died from covid-19 vaccines”.

    I’m not saying they did.

    I am saying the unclean of Sydney who refused the pricks should begin falling over in droves anytime now.

  81. John A says:

    Rosie says: July 23, 2021, at 2:32 pm

    How many times does one have to say I believe in personal choice?

    I don’t believe anyone in Australia is going to be held down and vaccinated against their will.

    Sue me.

    Nope. It will not be government regulation “forcing” me personally to be jabbed.

    It will be some condition on employers to avoid some penalty (such as higher payroll tax rates) by having only fully-jabbed employees on the payroll.

    Or some condition added to the Centrelink form which results in some (indeterminate) delay if some box is not ticked.

    Or some penalty against a super fund if they don’t have a declaration from you as a superannuant.

  82. Leo G says:

    Rosie says at 12:00 pm

    Not if they aren’t infected with covid.
    (Jacksonville Florida First Coast News, Verify Columnist): cdc fda data doesn’t support thousands died from covid-19 vaccines

    From Rosie’s link:

    The CDC goes on to say: “FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.”

    VAERS is a voluntary reporting system, and that is probably its main limitation. If a death is not in some way related to a vaccination, why would a health care provider elect to report it to VAERS?

  83. Matt says:

    If a death is not in some way related to a vaccination, why would a health care provider elect to report it to VAERS?

    Firstly, VAERS doesn’t just accept reports from health care providers, but also from the general public. So there is not that immediate filter that you are alluding to.

    Secondly, it’s designed to detect a signal – so a single adverse event might just be co-incidence, and so might a handful. But its the reporting of everything that allows the noise to separate from the signal, and to look for patterns. So it is absolutely true to say that every reported death following a vaccine does not imply that the vaccine caused the death, but it indicates that more investigation is required.

  84. Bad Samaritan says:

    Matt asks:
    “So all diseases have to be symptomatic Bad Samaritan? Without symptoms, there is never disease?’

    Tten when corrected that it is viral diseases which must follow this “rule” of having symptoms, Matt says that the following viral diseases can exist without symptoms

    “Hep B, Hep C, HIV, influenza for starters.”

    A perfect illustration yet again that Matt is confused by names. All four are viruses. Three are also the names for the symptomatic disease which may follow. HIV is not a disease. at all. With symptoms it becomes a disease designated AIDS. No symptoms= no AIDS. Likewise SARS-CoV2; No symptoms= no Covid19: it remains SARS-CoV2 not asymptomatic Covid19(or just Covid) as you have so often claimed.

    Your comprehension skills are pathetic today, Matt. Throw it in and go back to being Luke or Monty or Numbers or Sinc or Steve FFS, and start again.

  85. Matt says:

    Fine BS – then you would be aware that you can have asymptomatic hepatitis caused by Hep B or Hep C.
    The point about asymptomatic vs pre-symptomatic is one of terminology that people are confusing – someone may well be asymptomatic at time of testing (particularly in NSW at the moment where people are being required to have testing every 3 days) – but many of these people go on to develop symptoms – so they are not strictly speaking asymptomatic, they are pre-symptomatic. And they can (and do) spread the virus.

  86. Cardimona says:

    ScoMoron is on TV quadrupling down on “moar kovid!” and burning fresh towers of taxpayers cash…

    FMD, the only thing I want to hear from that muppet is a long and elaborate apology for getting sucked in by the globalists’ corona-con.

  87. Cardimona says:

    Three minutes is all I could take listening to ScumMo.
    He’s either a total frightbat or a B-grade actor, take your pick.

    Worst PM ever – far worse than Whitlam.
    We are soooo fvcked.

  88. Rosie says:

    Yes Matt.

    There was also some discussion that a lot more people are now aware that VAERS exists so reporting has increased as as the volume of people being vaccinated, by many millions and instead of being typically children under the age of five they might be any age.

    VAERS looks for patterns that might suggest there is an increase over what is called the background rate of various medical conditions and deaths in the population.

    Pity we didn’t have something like VAERS in the late 50s and 1960, perhaps the effects of thalidomide might have been pinpointed much more quickly.

  89. Leo G says:

    Pity we didn’t have something like VAERS in the late 50s and 1960, perhaps the effects of thalidomide might have been pinpointed much more quickly.

    The FDA in 1960 introduced such a system for reporting on adverse effects of drugs (I presume that’s what you meant by “like VAERS” considering thalidomide was not a vaccine), once they hit the market, and updated it with MedWatch in 1993.

    It was very much like VAERS in one important respect- the extent of under-reporting.

  90. Leo G says:

    A recent review of 43 studies using PCR testing, found that the median proportion of people who tested positive to SARS-CoV-2 infections with no symptoms (at the time) was 65.9%.
    From 14 longitudinal studies, the median proportion of persons who both tested positive and subsequently remained asymptomatic was 42.5%.
    Accordingly, expect 36% of those who test positive without symptoms to subsequently develop symptoms.

  91. Struth says:

    Accordingly, expect 36% of those who test positive without symptoms to subsequently develop symptoms.

    When fear porn has affected your logic, people write shit like this.

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